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Speaker 1: Now, if you're listening to the show yesterday, you'd have

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Speaker 1: heard that we spoke to the Electrical Trade Union, which

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Speaker 1: is demanding an apology from Charles Dalen University's Vice Chancellor,

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Speaker 1: Professor Scott Bowman, claiming that he blamed workers for delays

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Speaker 1: with the CBD campus being complete. Now. An email to

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Speaker 1: staff from the professor said there had been an unfortunate

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Speaker 1: delay to the building completion, pointing to industrial action over

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Speaker 1: enterprise bargaining negotiations slowing down electrical contractors working on site.

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Speaker 1: Professor Bowman joins me on the line now to shed

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Speaker 1: some more light about the situation. Good morning to you, professor.

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Speaker 2: Hi Katie, and well you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really good, Thanks so much for your time. I

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Speaker 1: know we're running a bit later with all the interviews

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Speaker 1: we've had banked up, but we really appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 1: First of all, where are things at with the CBD campus?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we were looking to open the campus and

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Speaker 2: get it ready and get in there for semester two

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Speaker 2: for our second term at the university. Now that's been

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Speaker 2: delayed and we are going to be in there for

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Speaker 2: term three with our students.

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Speaker 1: All right, For those out there, that don't really know

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Speaker 1: when those terms start or when those semesters start. What

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Speaker 1: month are we looking at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were looking to get in there and

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Speaker 2: get it operated for around about July. We can't start midterm,

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Speaker 2: so that will now go back to October time. But

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of stuff going on

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Speaker 2: in there before then, so we're going to move the

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Speaker 2: art gallery in there, hopefully the NTG Library will be

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Speaker 2: in there. We might even be able to do some

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Speaker 2: vocational training in there ahead of schedule, so there will

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Speaker 2: be stuff going in there, but actually teaching in there

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Speaker 2: we've had to put off, and the official opening we've

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Speaker 2: had to put off.

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Speaker 1: Now we were sent a copy of this email, and

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Speaker 1: the Electrical Trade Union is obviously demanding an apology from you,

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Speaker 1: claiming that you'd blamed workers for that delay.

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Speaker 2: Is that the case, Well, Katie, you've seen the statement

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Speaker 2: that I put out to students. Look, I haven't blamed anyone.

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Speaker 2: I definitely haven't blamed the workers down there. I mean

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Speaker 2: the workers have done a magnificent job. I mean I

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Speaker 2: would not want to be working inside that building without

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Speaker 2: air conditioning. I wouldn't I wanted to be down that

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Speaker 2: hole when it was a hole without the sunblast in

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Speaker 2: our They've been magnificent and they've come up with just

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Speaker 2: a fantastic building, and the electrical workers in there have

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Speaker 2: done a magnificent job as well. So now look, I

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Speaker 2: spoke to Straws this morning. Yeah, and I did apologize.

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Speaker 2: I apologize if my message was clumsy. I didn't blame anyone.

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Speaker 2: I didn't blame the either side in the dispute. But

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Speaker 2: what happened it was incredibly tight to get into that

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Speaker 2: building on the timeframe. We would looking. We've got to

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Speaker 2: once we get handed over, we've got put in all

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Speaker 2: of our own IT equipment, we've got to get our

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Speaker 2: staff in there, we've got to do the time. And

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Speaker 2: we were looking at a very tight time schedule. Then

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Speaker 2: I heard that we would add some industrial action down there,

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Speaker 2: and that was the thing, the final straw that really

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Speaker 2: made it too risky to move in. And I put

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Speaker 2: that message out and said, look, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to move in and it's due to some

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Speaker 2: industrial action. Now, that was clumsy. I apologize, but I

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Speaker 2: am not blaming the electrical workers or anyone. It's just

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Speaker 2: one of those things.

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Speaker 1: It does sound though, like you know, the fact is

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Speaker 1: some of that, and I said this to strang Jist,

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Speaker 1: I like some of that industrial action may have slowed

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Speaker 2: Well, it definitely puts us to a point along you know,

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Speaker 2: they put us to a point where we just decided

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Speaker 2: the risk was too much. So we had a date

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Speaker 2: for the handover, a new revised date, but that wasn't

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Speaker 2: certain and even then we just didn't think we could

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Speaker 2: get in there in time. So we just decided, look,

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Speaker 2: let's have a really good initial group of student experiences

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Speaker 2: in there rather than risking it. Look, whether that's delayed

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Speaker 2: the building, I will listen to what others with a

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Speaker 2: lot more knowledge, like the helicoster builders and Straws from

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Speaker 2: the Union. I'm not going to say too much else

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Speaker 2: because I don't want to be people jumping on or

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Speaker 2: into a vice.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's fair enough. And look, by the

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Speaker 1: sounds of it, you've had that discussion with him this morning.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you feel as though that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's ended. What seems like it's been a bit of

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Speaker 1: a dispute.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, yes, I think it. I mean I've thoughts

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Speaker 2: that I've been at a few events over the years

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Speaker 2: and it's always remarkable. We seem to be singing from

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Speaker 2: the same hing sheep, and I really like the kite

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, look, I think so, I think the

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Speaker 2: electricians have done a fantastic job down there. I've offered

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Speaker 2: to take him up on his offer. I'm happy to

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Speaker 2: go down and meet with him and the electricians working

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Speaker 2: on the building and other yarm with them. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I accept that my message in may have

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Speaker 2: been a bit clumsy, and I apologize for that, but

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Speaker 2: you know, in the scheme of things of delivering that

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Speaker 2: incredible resource for the territory, it's a very minor hick cup.

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Speaker 1: I think, Hey, I understand there's a new course that's

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Speaker 1: been there has also been launched over the I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure whether it's over the last couple of weeks, but

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Speaker 1: in artificial intelligence, just to step away from the new

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Speaker 1: building for a sec how vital is this in building

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Speaker 1: a workforce for the future.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, AI is just absolutely integrated into absolutely everything now,

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Speaker 2: and we've got to have people with the skills to

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Speaker 2: be dealing with AI. And a lot of universes are

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Speaker 2: worried about what that impact that's having, but we've kind

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Speaker 2: of it turned it around and Professor Forespanadol is actually

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Speaker 2: sitting next to me at the moment he came up

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Speaker 2: with this idea we should have this master's in artificial

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Speaker 2: intelligence and really be training people in it, how to

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Speaker 2: use it, how to develop it, and how it can

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Speaker 2: be applied. So, yeah, it's really exciting.

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Speaker 1: Is it something that happens in other universities or are

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Speaker 1: we going to be sort of leading the way with

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Speaker 1: this AI.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think this would be one of the first

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Speaker 2: programs in the country. I won't swear that it is

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Speaker 2: the first, but we're right out in the front. And

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Speaker 2: it's not surprising because we are real leaders inside the

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Speaker 2: security and you know, people just look at the little

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Speaker 2: University Upper Casarina and they don't realize it. Up here.

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Speaker 2: We've got one of our researchers in the top one

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Speaker 2: percent of researchers in the world for cybersecurity, Professor Mamon

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Speaker 2: and so we've been leading in that field for quite

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Speaker 2: a while. And then building on the back of that,

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Speaker 2: we've got the artificial intelligence degree coming along well.

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Speaker 1: Professor Scott Bowman, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there for this morning. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us on the show.

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Speaker 2: As always great talking to KD.

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Speaker 1: Thank you