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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, two point five billion dollars for infrastructure

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Speaker 3: What exactly is it going to be invested in?

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Speaker 1: So I do just want to take you across to

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Speaker 1: Look, I do think that it's going It is going

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Speaker 2: And Katie, in the last financial year five hundred and seventeen,

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Speaker 2: We know that that's ugly forty percent who may, but

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Speaker 1: All right, they most certainly do. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: what's this two million dollars going to do for victims?

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Speaker 2: The KATIE Victims of Crime is a not for profit

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Speaker 1: So with this with the Trespass Act, we know that

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Speaker 3: How exactly is this going to help?

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is where you might have someone that

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Speaker 2: This is something that you do see from time to

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Speaker 2: This will allow businesses that might be leasing a property.

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Speaker 2: It provides more clarity under the apps that more people

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Speaker 1: So I know that in addition to this, if an

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, that would be something that the police will

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Speaker 1: But obviously the you know, this amendment is about enabling

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Speaker 2: Yes, Katie, so there's a protect in place, but it's

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Speaker 2: This makes it a lot clearer and a lot more

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Speaker 2: And then yes, if someone breaches it, you reach out

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Speaker 1: They're actually going to be able to people are going

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is something that not just with businesses,

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Speaker 3: All right, we know you touched on this before.

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Speaker 1: Government's going to be ramping up Beer Secure in the

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Speaker 2: So Katie, I can't call in on the specifics. I

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Speaker 2: They do it through security, through environmental design. It's looking

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Speaker 1: All right, And then I mean, we've also got places

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I'm not sure that the physical makeup of

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Speaker 1: All right, can you see how there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, there is immediate action, such as the additional

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Speaker 3: All Right, couple of listener questions.

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Speaker 1: Can the government afford to undertake these programs, these additional

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, many of these programs we have examples in place,

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Speaker 1: All Right, someone else's message through and set a couple

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't need to get those, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It is frustrating, but if we can help you protect

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Speaker 1: Another one, why aren't they focusing on stopping kids committing

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Speaker 2: We absolutely focus on stopping these behaviors and that's where

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief FINISTERA, we are going to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as a ways for your time, You're most welcome.