WEBVTT - Why you've been hearing about Project 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily not this is the

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<v Speaker 1>DAILI ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Daily OS. It is Friday, the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of July.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Billy, I'm Zara.

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<v Speaker 1>You've likely heard of Project twenty twenty five. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a set of conservative policy recommendations for former President Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump if he does become the next president. Now, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>says he is not directly involved in it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has publicly tried to distance himself from it. However, Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>have consistently attacked Trump's ties to the plan. Biden has

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<v Speaker 1>labeled it quote the biggest attack on our system of

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<v Speaker 1>government that has ever been proposed in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>this country, and he has also pointed to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that some of Trump's top advisors have been involved in

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<v Speaker 1>today's deep dive, we are going to explain exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you need to know about Project twenty twenty five. But

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<v Speaker 1>for Sarah, what is making headlines today.

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<v Speaker 3>Federal Labour has announced its cut ties with the CFMEU,

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<v Speaker 3>Australia's Peak construction Union. It means a labor party will

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<v Speaker 3>no longer accept donations from the union, which is now

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<v Speaker 3>facing multiple investigations into alleged corruption. After a recent nine

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<v Speaker 3>Network investigation, Labour's National secretary, Paul Ericson confirmed on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 3>that the ALP was suspending all affiliations with the union.

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<v Speaker 3>A Labor statement said, and I quote, the number one

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<v Speaker 3>job of any union and its officials is to look

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<v Speaker 3>after its members. The reported behavior is the complete opposite

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<v Speaker 3>of this. We didn't explain on what is happening with

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<v Speaker 3>the CFMU and Labor earlier this week, and we'll throw

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<v Speaker 3>that link in today's show.

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<v Speaker 2>Notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's unemployment rate remains steady at four percent in June,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. This refers to

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<v Speaker 1>the percentage of people who were looking for work but

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find any. The seasonally adjusted rate increased slightly to

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<v Speaker 1>four point one percent last month, and that number removes

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<v Speaker 1>the influence of calendar specific patterns on employment like fruit

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<v Speaker 1>picking jobs in the summer. There were fourteen point four

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<v Speaker 1>million people employed in Australia in June, up fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>from May.

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<v Speaker 3>Uber Eats has issued a warning about a new scam

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<v Speaker 3>targeting WhatsApp users an email's customers from the food delivery

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<v Speaker 3>platform said that hackers have been sending users a message

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<v Speaker 3>offering them rewards to join a promotional team. Uber Eats said,

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<v Speaker 3>if you receive these messages, we strongly advise you not

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<v Speaker 3>to engage or click any links.

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<v Speaker 1>And today's good news, Lily Gladstone and Kaylee Reese have

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<v Speaker 1>made history becoming the first Indigenous women to be nominated

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<v Speaker 1>for an Acting Emmy. Gladstone was nominated for Under the

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<v Speaker 1>Breach and Reese for True Detective Night Country. The Bear

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<v Speaker 1>also broke records with its twenty three nominations, the most

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<v Speaker 1>comedy series has ever received in a single year. The

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four Emmys will be held in September, eight

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<v Speaker 1>months after union strikes delayed the Train twenty three ceremony

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<v Speaker 1>to January.

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<v Speaker 3>Billy, I really feel like Project twenty twenty five popped

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<v Speaker 3>up out of nowhere, I mean to me at least,

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<v Speaker 3>but is now everywhere. I'm seeing it every time I

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<v Speaker 3>look at my phone, every time I turn on the news.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you just take it back a step and just

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<v Speaker 3>explain what the context to this Project twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>actually is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, explain where some people might have seen it around.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've personally been seeing it a lot in the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats ads, Joe Biden's ads when they are critiquing Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump are talking about Project twenty twenty five a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I first saw it, it was just like a three

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<v Speaker 1>second clip of Joe Biden saying Project training twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Look it up. It was giving conspiracy theories, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it really required a fact check, deep dive I think

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<v Speaker 1>by the Daily Ohs. And now I'm seeing it much

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<v Speaker 1>more in mainstream media. You know, the ABC's Four Corners

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<v Speaker 1>did a deep dive into it this week. The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times have done several explainers on it, So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's time for The Daily also to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too.

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<v Speaker 3>So, without further ado, what the hell is Project twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So, basically, it is a set of conservative policy recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>for the next Republican president in the US, who they

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<v Speaker 1>believe will be Donald Trump. And it's basically just an

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<v Speaker 1>outline of proposals and I think that's the key word here,

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<v Speaker 1>proposals for what Donald Trump could do if he does

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<v Speaker 1>become the next president at the election later this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it's not the Republican Party's formal proposals, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Who's actually behind Project twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>No, so it was organized by the Heritage Foundation, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a right wing policy advocacy group, okay, with the

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<v Speaker 1>support of more than one hundred conservative organizations, and a

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five has been worked on by hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of conservative policy advisors. So this is not directly Trump

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<v Speaker 1>or the Republican Party. It's a think take called the

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<v Speaker 1>Heritage Foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're getting good traction, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But some people listening may not have heard of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally hadn't heard of them before this. They have

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<v Speaker 1>actually helped shape the policies of Republican presidents in the

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<v Speaker 1>US since Ronald Reagan, who was the president in the

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<v Speaker 1>US in the eighties, and Reagan really put this group

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<v Speaker 1>on the map. I was actually looking at Reagan's official

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<v Speaker 1>website run by his foundation before and it very clearly

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<v Speaker 1>states that the Heritage Foundation was his favorite think tank

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<v Speaker 1>and that he really embodied their ideas and principles. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I found a really interesting stat is that throughout

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<v Speaker 1>his presidency, the Heritage Foundation made two thousand recommendations to Reagan,

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<v Speaker 1>and he adopted two thirds of those two thousand recommendations. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So they have had and certainly seemed to still have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of influence over the Republican presidents of the

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<v Speaker 3>day exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So all of this is to say that they aren't

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<v Speaker 1>a new group. And actually, when Trump was elected in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, by twenty eighteen, the Heritage Foundation said that

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<v Speaker 1>of the three hundred policy recommendations they had made to

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration at the time, he had adopted two

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<v Speaker 1>thirds of them as well. So not only have they

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<v Speaker 1>had this ongoing influence over Republican presidents in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>they also have historically had influence over Trump's policies.

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<v Speaker 3>The policies that they're putting forward aren't Trump's policies, right,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least in a formal sense. They're not his

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<v Speaker 3>policy agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're not his formal policy agenda. And also he

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<v Speaker 1>has tried to somewhat distance himself from it.

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to get to that because I think

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<v Speaker 3>that that's the most interesting part of this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>entire scenario and this entire story. But I think we

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<v Speaker 3>need to just go through exactly what the policies included

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<v Speaker 3>in this Project twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five actually are.

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<v Speaker 3>So can you just take us through at a high level,

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<v Speaker 3>what they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, start really broad and then we can get into

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<v Speaker 1>a few different examples. So at a really top level,

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<v Speaker 1>it wants to undo quote the damage the left has wrought,

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<v Speaker 1>so referencing the Biden administration, and they want to do

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<v Speaker 1>that through making really big policy changes from those adopted

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<v Speaker 1>by the Baden administration in areas like immigration, abortion, defense, tax,

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<v Speaker 1>and education policies. Now, Project twenty twenty five has four

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<v Speaker 1>main pillars, but we're just going to focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>first one, which is the policy agenda. Disclaimer, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a nine hundred page document, so obviously we can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Go through all of the ten hours later, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're just going to go through a couple that

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're interesting. So firstly, on immigration, they use

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<v Speaker 1>extremely conservative language. The group wants to increase funding for

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<v Speaker 1>a ball on the US Mexico border, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>that is one of Trump's key policy areas, that wall,

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<v Speaker 1>and they say that the border should be sealed. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a quote on abortion. It is very against abortion. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>it states, quote from the moment of conception, every human

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<v Speaker 1>being possesses inherent dignity and worth, and it states that

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<v Speaker 1>all quote health activities should be rooted in a deep

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<v Speaker 1>respect for innocent human life from day one until natural death.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wants to see abortion pills pulled from the

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<v Speaker 1>market and greater restrictions imposed on abortion across the US.

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<v Speaker 1>It also talks about quote identity politics, and it states

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<v Speaker 1>that quote radical actors are promoting harmful identity politics, by

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<v Speaker 1>which they mean trans people and quote bases a person's

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<v Speaker 1>worth on their race, sex, or other identities. They say

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<v Speaker 1>this quote dressns Americans fundamental liberties as well as the

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<v Speaker 1>health and well being of children and adults alike, and

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<v Speaker 1>is called for a policy that quote protects children's minds

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<v Speaker 1>and bodies and respects parents' basic right to direct the upbringing, education,

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<v Speaker 1>and care of their children. So when we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>their education policy, that is really what they're focused on,

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<v Speaker 1>is identity politics. Now, on climate change, the group says

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<v Speaker 1>that while it supports creating a better environmental tomorrow, the

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<v Speaker 1>government needs to quote stop the war on oil and

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<v Speaker 1>natural gas, and so it wants to slash funding for

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<v Speaker 1>renewable energy completely. And so, you know this big transition

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<v Speaker 1>that is kind of happening in the world away from

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<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels and towards renewable energy. It is completely against that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So some fairly significant policy proposals laid out there. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean when I listen to them laid out that way,

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<v Speaker 3>they do sound not overly different to what Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>has said over and over again over the years. But

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<v Speaker 3>what has he said about this specific project.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Trump claims that he quote knows nothing about Project

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. Okay, So in a since deleted post

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<v Speaker 1>on his true social network, he actually said, quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>know nothing about Project twenty twenty five. I have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things they're saying, and some of the things they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. He continued with that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>saying anything they do, I wish them luck, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing to do with them. But there are a

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<v Speaker 1>few things to point out. The first is that Summer,

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<v Speaker 1>his closest policy advisors, are involved in Project twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>at five and have worked on this nine hundred page document. So,

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<v Speaker 1>just to give you an example, Russell T. Vaught is

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's former director of the Office of Management and Budget

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<v Speaker 1>when Trump was president in twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and he authored one of the plan's chapters. There is

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<v Speaker 1>also Stephen Miller. He is a former Trump advisor who

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<v Speaker 1>is also expected to return if Trump does win in November.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has also been associated with a legal team

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<v Speaker 1>on Project twenty twenty five's advisory board. And that's just

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<v Speaker 1>for examples. There are a whole list of other people

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<v Speaker 1>who are close to Trump and who are also heavily

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<v Speaker 1>involved in Project twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>So if Trump has said that he a knows nothing

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<v Speaker 3>about this or claims to know nothing about this, but

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<v Speaker 3>b find some of these policies to be ridiculous and abysmal,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a very strong quote in my mind. What is

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<v Speaker 3>his policy platform?

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<v Speaker 1>So Trump's policy platform is called Agender forty seven, got.

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<v Speaker 2>Less of a ring to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are twenty of his core promises if he

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<v Speaker 1>were to become president again, and that number forty seven

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<v Speaker 1>comes from if he was elected again, he would be

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<v Speaker 1>the forty seventh president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what does that Agenda forty seven actually outline?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, firstly, Agenda forty seven is relatively short, particularly when

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<v Speaker 1>you compare it to a nine hundred page document.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything short in comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it basically is a list of twenty promises that

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<v Speaker 1>are just explained in one sentence. They're all in capitals,

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<v Speaker 1>which Trump, Baris and bratal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some similarities to Project twenty twenty five, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are also some differences.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's go through the similarities first.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So one of Trump's immigration policies is to quote

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<v Speaker 1>seal the border and stop the migrant invasion, and that

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<v Speaker 1>similar language to what I talked about before with Project

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, which states that the border should be

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<v Speaker 1>quote sealed. There's also similarity on electric vehicles, so, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump also wants to quote cancel the electric vehicle mandate,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also similar to Project twin twenty five, which

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<v Speaker 1>says to quote end federal mandates and subsidies of electric vehicles.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine that would be an interesting dinner time conversation

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<v Speaker 3>for the owner of the biggest electric car manufacturer in

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<v Speaker 3>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>There are though, also some things that Trump mentions that

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five doesn't. So, for example, Trump says

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<v Speaker 1>that one of his twenty key policy areas is to

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<v Speaker 1>quote keep men out of women's sport, which isn't explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>in Project twenty twenty five, but does have some similarities

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<v Speaker 1>to what we were talking about before with identity politics.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also plans to introduce quote large tax cuts

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<v Speaker 1>for workers and no tax on tips, which I also

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find explicitly stated in Project twenty twenty five. All

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<v Speaker 1>that to say, there are some differences, there are also

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of similarities. I think both broadly have the

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of architecture, they are very conservative agenda. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are some differences there.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so some clear similarities obviously, that is in stark

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<v Speaker 3>difference to the Democrats and to President Joe Biden, who

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<v Speaker 3>is of course campaigning for reelection. We started this podcast

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<v Speaker 3>by saying that the Democrats have included mention of Project

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five in so many ads. What have we

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<v Speaker 3>actually heard from President Joe Biden about this project?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Biden continues to accuse Trump of having deep ties

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<v Speaker 1>with Project twenty twenty five. He says that it is

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<v Speaker 1>quote run and paid for by Trump people. At a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign rally over the weekend in Michigan, Biden warned American

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<v Speaker 1>voters that Project twenty twenty five is quote the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>attack on our system of government and our personal freedom

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<v Speaker 1>that has ever been proposed in the history of this country.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also heard Kamala Harris talk about it a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>saying it poses a big threat to democracy in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are going very hard, and despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump is trying to since himself, the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to link them as much as they can.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember a bigger week in American politics outside

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<v Speaker 3>of an actual election week, and I think that this

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<v Speaker 3>is just beginning, and we are likely to see more

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<v Speaker 3>and more of this sort of conversation as we get

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<v Speaker 3>closer to November.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we go Zara, I just want to mention

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<v Speaker 1>all of the different podcasts because there are a whole

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<v Speaker 1>range of different topics that we have covered on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast this week in case you want to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and listen. So on Monday, we did an explainer on

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<v Speaker 1>that attempted assassination on Donald Trump and what it could

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<v Speaker 1>mean for the future of his campaign and for the

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<v Speaker 1>US election in November. On Tuesdays, Are You and I

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the string of lawsuits against Andrew Tait, the

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<v Speaker 1>controversial influencer who is also a self proclaimed misogynist.

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<v Speaker 3>On Wednesday, we shifted to talk about the biggest story

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<v Speaker 3>dominating Australian politics this week, which is about one of

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<v Speaker 3>Australia's biggest unions and the labor parties.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a story about the CFMAU.

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<v Speaker 3>Today we had a fascinating chat with Joe Friedman, who

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<v Speaker 3>runs a newspaper dedicated to serving prisoners in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a fascinating chat.

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<v Speaker 3>Rounding off with today another chat about US politics and

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<v Speaker 3>one to take us through on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll put a link to all of those episodes in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes. Thank you so much for listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of The Daily Os and we will be

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<v Speaker 1>back again on Monday.

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