WEBVTT - GRANT DENYER ON WINNING AND LOSING I'M A CELEB! ☠️

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to TV Reload.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my second last chat with the stars of

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Celebrity twenty twenty one, featuring the runner up himself,

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<v Speaker 2>Grant Dania. Today's guest is basically TV Royalty, as Australian

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<v Speaker 2>audiences have either grown up watching him or grown to

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<v Speaker 2>love him. Clocking up more hours on television than Skippy

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<v Speaker 2>the Kangaroo.

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<v Speaker 1>He has brought so much joy to us.

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<v Speaker 2>All from Sunrise to family Feud. This Gold Lugie winner

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<v Speaker 2>is simply TV Magic. Viewers of I'm a Celebrity saw

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<v Speaker 2>a raw and honor side to the TV host in

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<v Speaker 2>the jungle, a rare insight into a family man who

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<v Speaker 2>has had more ups and downs than a roller coaster

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<v Speaker 2>ride at Luna Park. We have read the headlines, watched

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<v Speaker 2>his shows and always wanted more, which this man delivered

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<v Speaker 2>in spades. I'd like to welcome to the show this

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<v Speaker 2>year's almost winner, Grant Dania.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't attempt things unless I'm going to be amazing

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<v Speaker 3>at it. David Animal your associates with Grand Dania. I've

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<v Speaker 3>worked in Telly for twenty years for the Gold LOGI.

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<v Speaker 1>This year it's Grand Dania.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a pretty sure person. I never thought i'd talk

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<v Speaker 3>about TV in the form of self discovery, how survey said.

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<v Speaker 3>I made a vow to myself that when I went

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<v Speaker 3>in there, if someone asked me an uncomfortable question, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd try and answer it honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations Grant Daniel on coming second, What was the jungle

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<v Speaker 2>experience like for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Horrible, disgusting, putrid, hated it all, But weirdly, all I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to do when I was in there was leave,

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<v Speaker 3>and then now that it's over, I kind of wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to end. I don't know what's happened to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you certainly committed to your time in the jungle,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, casting agent Georgina Harrap said, Grant Daniel's

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<v Speaker 2>always on, He's great television. Did you feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>were always on in the jungle?

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<v Speaker 3>Not always like I've worked in Telly for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a pretty strong reflex for me to go

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<v Speaker 3>into TV mode, you know what I mean, Like I've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing it since I was sixteen. When I went

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<v Speaker 3>in there. You're scared, You're anxious, you're afraid. You know

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be horrible. I'm a pretty shy person,

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<v Speaker 3>so I kind of I turned on the TV mode

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<v Speaker 3>when I got in there, and then probably for a week.

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<v Speaker 3>It took me a while for that wall to drop

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<v Speaker 3>when I realized that I don't have the energy to

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<v Speaker 3>go four weeks pretending to be a TV person, So

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<v Speaker 3>I just gave into it, really dropped the guard, and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff just flowed. You know, I can't believe the things

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<v Speaker 3>that I purged in there. It's quite remarkable. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was just a TV show. I thought you just

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<v Speaker 3>do this for the exposure, But there was so much

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<v Speaker 3>more gold that happened by There's a lot of self

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<v Speaker 3>discovery in there. I never thought I'd talk about TV

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<v Speaker 3>in the form of self discovery. I just died enough

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<v Speaker 3>of them to know that it's all pretty plastic. But

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<v Speaker 3>here I am going, oh my god, I've come out

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<v Speaker 3>a better person. Legit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, at what point did they ask you

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<v Speaker 2>to do this show? Because for years, actually I think

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<v Speaker 2>you are the most speculated person to ever go into

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<v Speaker 2>the jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>At what point did they ask you to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>And was there any rumors about the fact that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Dancing with the Stars didn't happen, and so they just

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<v Speaker 2>plopped you into the Jungle instead.

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<v Speaker 3>I had nothing to do with Dancing with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I'd said no for six years for a

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<v Speaker 3>good reason, because I knew to be shit. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>it to be terrible in there, and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to do it, and I knew it to be confronting.

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<v Speaker 3>And I, you know what, I've made a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>television in my life, but I've never made and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a bit bored, to be honest, because I've done a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've never made a kind of television like this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I you know, I've got kids now, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just wanted to show them the joy of trying. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't. I've got a terrible thing that I don't

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<v Speaker 3>attempt things unless I'm going to be amazing at it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wanted to instill in my daughters the joy

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<v Speaker 3>of trying. And yeah, they look at me really differently now,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's that's actually incredibly special. I didn't expect that

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<v Speaker 3>when you arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a few moments where I've watched you on

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<v Speaker 2>television for for as long as I can remember, I've

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<v Speaker 2>reviewed your career, so I could see something happening. Was

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<v Speaker 2>there a slight look of concern? That you'd gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong event, like you were looking around at the cast,

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<v Speaker 2>like am I at the wrong Christmas?

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<v Speaker 3>I got in there and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>these are all high energy, high octane people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bouncing off the red limit. Like I thought, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>I can't be in here around the clock with these people.

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<v Speaker 3>I've made the wrong decision. I thought I'd made the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong decision for at least three of the four weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>but slowly when I gave in to it. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am also someone who hosts television, so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>used to being the puppet master, used to controlling the strings.

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<v Speaker 3>Handing that power over is a very daunting experience. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a bit scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you worry that at some point that you might

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<v Speaker 2>have been too honest? I mean, as a overshare on myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I wondered how you felt watching it back. Did you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I've revealed too much?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I was pretty it was a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a pain in the ass to be around in the

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<v Speaker 3>weeks leading up to it, because I was I was

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<v Speaker 3>worried I cried too much and I'd said too much

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<v Speaker 3>and I might have embarrassed my partner or my family.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew my daughters were going to so I was

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<v Speaker 3>a nervous wreck, not knowing what they were going to use,

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<v Speaker 3>how they were going to edit it. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been in television long enough to know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they can build storylines artificially in post. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I was Maybe I was a dickhead in there,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I'd offended someone, maybe I was angry. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of self doubt watching it back. It

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<v Speaker 3>was uncomfortable with some of the things that I spoke about.

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<v Speaker 3>But I made a vow to myself that when I

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<v Speaker 3>went in there, if someone asked me an uncomfortable question,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'd try and answer it honestly. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I just kind of I was bit tired of being

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<v Speaker 3>this shiny, smiley game show host. I just thought, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I kind of just stuff it just fucking be.

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<v Speaker 2>You, and we loved it. I mean, that's the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing about it. I think that's why people have wanted

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<v Speaker 2>you to do it for so many years, is because

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<v Speaker 2>we can see the man who's the host, but then

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<v Speaker 2>we also want to know the man behind that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of speculation about Chezy, your wife and what

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<v Speaker 2>she thought of the show. How did she react to

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<v Speaker 2>some of these moments where I guess you was sharing

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<v Speaker 2>not only personal stories for yourself, but I guess stories

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<v Speaker 2>that reflected her as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the hard parts. I'm sharing stories that aren't

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<v Speaker 3>just my stories. There's someone else's as well. So I

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<v Speaker 3>felt guilty that I was sharing things without someone else's permission.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the end of the day, I asked Chezi

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<v Speaker 3>if I should do this, and she's heavily pregnant and

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<v Speaker 3>it was her call, and she had a feeling that

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<v Speaker 3>if she pushed me in there, that I might come

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<v Speaker 3>out a slightly better version of myself. And she had

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<v Speaker 3>that foresight. I didn't think, you know, that could possibly

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<v Speaker 3>happen on a TV show, But she was right, and

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<v Speaker 3>she knew. She knows I'm I'm pretty sensitive, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't take much for the emotions to flow.

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<v Speaker 3>So I am a little bit nervous because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what you saying. I think she knew that they'd

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<v Speaker 3>crack me, and they did.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what's really the eye opener for me was

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<v Speaker 2>that I crave a drink when I don't necessarily know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do with my access anxiety or energy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think in Australia, I'm not alone. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia we need to talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>openly about the way in which we use and drink alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny. I've been thinking about my relationship with alcohol

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<v Speaker 3>probably for the last two years, and really deeply for

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<v Speaker 3>the last month. And I didn't realize the effects alcohol

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<v Speaker 3>or role it had in my life until I quarantined

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<v Speaker 3>the week before I went into the jungle, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had enormous amounts of nerves. I knew I wasn't going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to control the circumstances in there. I

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<v Speaker 3>knew they were going to have their way with me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I knew it would be emotional. So I drank

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<v Speaker 3>everything and ate everything and went in about five kilo

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<v Speaker 3>heavier in a week. And that's when I kind of discovered, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I know why I drink. It's because I get anxious.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not comfortable around other people. I'm shy, so I

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<v Speaker 3>like to lubricate myself to be comfortable because I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>There's parts of my personality that I'm not particularly that

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with. So I recognized, yeah, I recognized an issue

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<v Speaker 3>that I gotta work on.

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<v Speaker 2>You've worked with some of the most amazing people in

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<v Speaker 2>your career once you entered the jungle, and up until

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<v Speaker 2>this point, who's been some of your biggest champions.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have a career to this day if it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't for a news director in Prime TV Woggle Wogger,

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<v Speaker 3>who as a sixteen year old kid, allowed me to

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<v Speaker 3>come into his newsroom and carry the tripods and wash

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<v Speaker 3>the news cars and hang around like a smelly pest.

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<v Speaker 3>And I couldn't spell. I wasn't smart enough to go

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<v Speaker 3>to university to get a journalism degree. And that guy

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<v Speaker 3>let me hang around so long that he taught me

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<v Speaker 3>to write like a journal talk like a journo, do

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<v Speaker 3>stand ups to camera like a journo. And he saw

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<v Speaker 3>something in me that I didn't even know I had

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<v Speaker 3>in myself, and he allowed me to make thousands of mistakes.

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<v Speaker 3>But he let me grow unchallenged. He didn'tized me. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't smash me or crush me like most news directors

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<v Speaker 3>would because they're pretty harsh people. And that guy, Doug

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<v Speaker 3>Hogan in Prime TV Wolga let me blossom. I thanked

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<v Speaker 3>him in my gold Lady's speech, because I could have

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<v Speaker 3>been a garbage collector.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't we all? Actually, I think that's a calling. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a calling for me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, A lot of people were

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<v Speaker 2>saying that maybe the snake bite got abby over the

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<v Speaker 2>line in the end. What did you think her strength

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<v Speaker 2>was and why do you think that Australia voted for

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<v Speaker 2>her in the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Her story on the Bachelor was pretty hard for her,

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<v Speaker 3>you know she you know, in her words, not mine,

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<v Speaker 3>she was the most hated person in Australia according to her.

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<v Speaker 3>After being on the Bachelor, she really received a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of death threats. The whole country hated her. She finished second,

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't win. That was heartbreaking and embarrassing for her.

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<v Speaker 3>She confessed in the jungle, so to kind of to

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<v Speaker 3>go back onto a reality TV show would have been

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<v Speaker 3>pretty triggering and she thought, oh my god, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my life's going me turned upside down again. Yet she

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<v Speaker 3>did it anyway, and you know, she had the whole

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<v Speaker 3>ultimate outcome and the whole country fell back in love

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<v Speaker 3>with her. The winner, I'm a celebrity, Get me out

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<v Speaker 3>of here for twenty twenty one is pretty awesome redemption story. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>if you want anyone to win, it's someone who's had

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<v Speaker 3>a rough trot that now has an ultimate outcome like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And now she's the queen, so that's pretty special.

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<v Speaker 2>Has Abby offered you any advice on coming second in

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<v Speaker 2>a reality show?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, coming second? Yeah, he's like being the shatter knoll

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<v Speaker 3>of I'm a celebrity, to get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's she No, she was bamboozled by the moment, mate.

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<v Speaker 3>She I could see in her eyes that she didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what to make of it. I don't think this

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<v Speaker 3>girl has perceived much love in her life. I think

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<v Speaker 3>she's had a bit of a rough run. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I could see the little girl all in there, just

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmed by love, not knowing what to do with it

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<v Speaker 3>because it was an unfamiliar sensation for her, but really

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful to see someone finally the country just wrap their

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<v Speaker 3>arms around her. And I think she really needed that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think she was there. She was a

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<v Speaker 3>little broken after her last experience. Yeah, I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you've already won a reality shows, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can't can't win them all. As probably what your parents

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<v Speaker 2>said to you when you're growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Present they look to be honest. I didn't come I'd

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<v Speaker 3>kind of got what I needed out of it, which

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<v Speaker 3>was a little bit of personal development going there. You know, fear.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a bit of fear creeping into my life,

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<v Speaker 3>which is fear is a limiting thing, you know, when

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<v Speaker 3>you're afraid, fear steals joy from your life. And I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go in there to kind of reset the

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<v Speaker 3>bar and face a couple of fears and not let

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<v Speaker 3>them kind of cast off the shackles a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I used to do crazy stuff all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when I was a Sunrise weather man, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's been a while since I've done stuff that's scared me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I needed to do that again, and I got

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<v Speaker 3>what I wanted out of the jungle. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>was the smiley game show guy for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>and who was pretending to be perfect, but my life's

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<v Speaker 3>not perfect. I've made thousands of mistakes, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I cherish each one of those mistakes because they are

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<v Speaker 3>a scar that has built the person who I am today.

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<v Speaker 3>So I kind of didn't mind revealing a lot in

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<v Speaker 3>there and opening up. And I've never been good at

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<v Speaker 3>doing that, so it was nice to sort of learn

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<v Speaker 3>how to yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess that was the most beautiful thing from

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<v Speaker 2>my point of view is that I actually sat on

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<v Speaker 2>my lounge room and I, like the rest of Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I cried and laughed along with you throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the experience. I felt such a visceral experience. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>watched the show for all of its seven seasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just really related to watching you

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<v Speaker 2>open yourself up and be really raw, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard when you are a match fit media professional,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Like I've turned it on

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<v Speaker 3>for years. I've been in the game for a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a strong reflex of mind to go straight

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<v Speaker 3>into presenter mode because that's my job and I do it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, daily. I tried to go in there because

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<v Speaker 3>of my anxiety and nerves and fear. I went in

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<v Speaker 3>there and I dressed myself up as a TV presenter

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<v Speaker 3>and I carried that act on and then realized I

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<v Speaker 3>can't hold this up forever. So it kind of fell down.

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<v Speaker 3>And when the walls came down, the magical stuff started

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<v Speaker 3>to happen and I was like, I don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>who I am. I've just been a presenter my whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>So I kind of just was like, if someone asked

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<v Speaker 3>me something embarrassing and uncomfortable, I'll give them an honest

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<v Speaker 3>answer as best I can. And I found real freedom

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<v Speaker 3>in that if you can acknowledge it you've made a

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<v Speaker 3>mistake in your life, you take the power out of

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<v Speaker 3>that mistake and it no longer holds you prisoner, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. And there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>purging that went on for me in the jungle where

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<v Speaker 3>stuff just flowed out and I had no control of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where it came from and why, and

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<v Speaker 3>I cried more than I've cried ever in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know sit I did some healing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>It was brilliant to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm absolutely loving your podcast by the way, with your

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<v Speaker 2>wife shares.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good, it's all true.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually got it in my number three of podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm listening to. I think I really just like pleasure,

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<v Speaker 2>the raw energy. So I think Australia loves you. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's still so much of your story to

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<v Speaker 2>be told. I hope that people can check out that

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<v Speaker 2>podcast for starters because it's brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that because you're the biggest.

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<v Speaker 2>Name that we've been trying to get onto the show

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<v Speaker 2>for so long and you've now done it, have you

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<v Speaker 2>recommended it to anyone else?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any of your mates in the industry that

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<v Speaker 2>you think will turn up next year?

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Harris from Studio ten said, you know, should I

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<v Speaker 3>do the show? A week ago? I said, hell, no,

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<v Speaker 3>are you kidding? It's the worst thing you'll ever do?

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<v Speaker 3>But now I'll actually go. You know what do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Something special happens in there and I can't explain it

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<v Speaker 3>and doesn't make sense to anyone who watches it because

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<v Speaker 3>they only see it for an hour and a half

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<v Speaker 3>each night, they don't know how hard and how owing

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<v Speaker 3>it is. But special stuff happens to you in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Sarah Harris would be amazing, so with Amanda Keller.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many of your mates that I think would

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<v Speaker 2>be great in the jungle. Thanks so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been so generous and thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Ben an absolute pleajer mate is a wonderful chat