1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: So I should point out that Dave McGowan is here, 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: He's been here for thirty seconds, has not said one word, 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: and already he is one thousand times better of a 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: guest than Trevor Long. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: So he does about cars, which is a good stuff. 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, unless Harry, which is pretty easy when it comes 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: to Trevor Loong. God, thankfully, thankfully that guy's not a smoker. 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: He'll drop a bit of ash and start a bushfire 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: just on his shoulders. Sorry, very very good, good gear 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: from me. Good start carrying the episode once again? How 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: we should introduce Dave mccowan's here. Do we give a 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 1: little clap? Yay from news dot com dot you ought 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: to be a lot more professional content director for News 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Corp Australia. 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: We beg you. Yeah, that's quite the introduction. 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: I've known you for ages. Gordy has about five minutes. Yeah, 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: that's it, but we're already best. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: That's fine. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. You've kind of moved into a new 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: role at News Limited. Tell us about what you're doing 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: now in the car scene. 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been writing about cars for a long time 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: and it's a lot more than writing now. I'm They 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: call it the content director, but basically just get to 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: get to steer the ship on how we cover cars 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: as a company, and that's Yeah, it's a huge promotion. 27 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: It's a lot of a lot of fun, a lot 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: of video, a lot of interesting stuff, and trying to 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 3: find things that appeal to a really broad audience. When 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: you're looking at things like news dot com. You've got 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: thirty million people a month going to the website and 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: most of them, yeah, and most of them don't want 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: to watch twenty minute long car videos and things like that, 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: So we are doing things a bit differently. 35 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good point because often our editorial 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: guys get lost in this world of covering car content 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: for and not necessarily car enthusias, but it's very niche 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: car content, whereas news is like you're talking to the 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: guy down the street who doesn't know anything about electric cars, 40 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: and most of those people hate them, which is understandable. 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, it is a much different, I guess scope 42 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: to doing that. And you guys are going a lot 43 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: on video now as well. And I've been watching some 44 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: of the stuff that you've been doing, a lot of 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: vertical format sort of real type stuff. How do you 46 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: kind of differentiate doing stuff for News Limited on the 47 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: video front compared to what you would have done previously 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 2: at like Fairfax, for example, in a specific car role. 49 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, back in the day, Drive, you know, we Drive 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 3: was very good at video a long time ago. Was 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: really one of the pioneers for it. I mean back 52 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: in the day before there was b roll or anything 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 3: like that. There's no video crews attending car launchers. I 54 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: used to bring a DV camera and a tripod to 55 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: like a Mercedes event at Sandown and then just like 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: try and move the thing around and shoot my own stuff. 57 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: And it was absolute. It was a horror show. And then, 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: you know, like everyone, we moved with the times and then, yeah, 59 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, I've been at News for 60 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: five six years now and we've really gone down the 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: vertical video path because TikTok has as we all know, 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 3: broken society, and everyone wants to consume just a few 63 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: seconds here and there. 64 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: Of course quite a lot more than a few seconds, 65 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: especially with the. 66 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: It's just because I'm an influencer now. Yeah, to Paul's point, though, 67 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: it's an interesting position to now be in. I mean, effectively, 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: content has changed and in some ways it must be 69 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: a cool spot to kind of be calling the shots 70 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: because we still want to see epic bird's eye shots 71 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: and sweeping drone shots. But also it's very raw and 72 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: authentic as well, where like anyone can kind of grab 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: a mobile and just shoot and have a go, and 74 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: that's that's just as interesting. You know. 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, that isn't it. I Mean, we do 76 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: the vertical thing a lot at work, but you know, 77 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: I'm on TikTok and all that sort of stuff as well, 78 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: And all the most successful videos I've had on TikTok 79 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: have been completely raw and personal, Like I did one 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: this year that was I've been out for a run, 81 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: believe it or not, and and there was. 82 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: Sick what were you running from the cops? 83 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: Well, I ran into the cops. There's there this hoiro 84 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: atrog guy. I had backed up a cycling lane and 85 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: then parked across it, basically blocking this running path and 86 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: cycling lane and set up there in an unmarked car 87 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: sniping people on a bridge during double demerits. And I 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: had to chat with him off camera and basically said, hey, 89 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure that this is the right 90 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: thing to be doing, and he basically took me to 91 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: jog on. So so I did, and. 92 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: Then did he know? 93 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 94 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: And then I thought, nah, I'm sufficiently outraged about this, 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: but I think other people might be as well. And 96 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: so I filmed this little video and it went bananas 97 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: millions and millions of views, and which is really funny 98 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: because you put all this effort into producing really exquisite 99 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: stuff and doing stuff with drones and b roll and 100 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: slow MA and all that sort of stuff, and it 101 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: gets two thousand views and then you just do a 102 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: quick hold your phone up in front of your face 103 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: and talk about the cops not looking after people. That 104 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: was crazy. 105 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I think the difference is it's kind of one is 106 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: a very authentic, sort of at the moment's story, and 107 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: one is a narrative, do you know what I mean? 108 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: Yeah? 109 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well you know the thing I remember when when 110 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: you did that, I looked at that and I mean 111 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: that is just so shit. Like I get, you know, 112 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: you're enforcing speed and whatever. That's that's a different story. 113 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: But when you're parking across a cycling lane and the 114 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: worst thing, I've said this before on the podcast, it's 115 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: just such a shit image when you've got police in 116 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: Victoria and New South Wales getting about in X fives 117 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: and five series dicking people for speeding. It's like, hold on, 118 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: you're in one hundred and twenty thousand dollars card the 119 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: look here, and then to just park your five series 120 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: straight across the cycling lane because you know I'm better 121 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: than you. It's like, nah, fuck that. I find that 122 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: highly insulting and I'm glad you stood up to them. 123 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: And the best part was that he would have then 124 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: just while he was sitting there a bone, someone been 125 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: flicking through news dot com today and gone, oh huh, I. 126 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: Think that was me. Shit, that's me. I'm gonna I 127 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: better move on myself. 128 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah that good. 129 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: That was absolutely that was such a revenue raising kind 130 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: of event, just caught then and there. 131 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, now, last episode I teased and teased and teased. 132 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: He did you got where there's out? You teased me 133 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: as hard as I like. It wasn't budging. In fact, 134 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: at one point I coughed a dust out of it. 135 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: I think my penis would sound like Louis the fla 136 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: just a little cigar. She come on, you can't teach 137 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: me have lee. But yes, so you went on a 138 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: secret mission. Yes, I'm going to try and guess was 139 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: this mission? Was this mission? Where was it? 140 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: Mission possible? Was this one? Because it all came together nicely. Yeah, actually, 141 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: well part of it didn't, which we'll explain in a second. 142 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: But Dave was actually there as well. It was the 143 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: unveiling of the newness and patrol and that was the 144 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: car that I was sort of talking about. They flew 145 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: us over to the Middle East. Abu Dhabi was where 146 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: they chose to launch the vehicle, and funnily enough, on 147 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: the day of the launch, these images leaked of it 148 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: and there were these blokes standing around in their traditional 149 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: dress and I was like, oh, that's a bit weird. 150 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: And then one of my friends, who's one of the 151 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: journalists over and in the Middle East, he goes, well, 152 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: that was actually delivered to the shake one of the 153 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: sheikh's homes because as part of the agreement of them 154 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: being allowed to launch the vehicle in Abu Dhabi, they 155 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: had to show the vehicle to this bloke ahead of 156 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: the launch, and while the car was there, they basically 157 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: snapped a couple of picks, sent the brown to a 158 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: WhatsApp group and it leaked and even up until ten 159 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: seconds before everyone in the world saw this car. They 160 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: were wheeling the cars into the area where we were 161 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: completely camouflage. They had this thing dressed over the car 162 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: so you couldn't actually see. It was a very funny joke, 163 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: but I will definitely. 164 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: There's some important people listening to this episode more reframe. 165 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: Yes, So, yeah, they wheeled this thing in and then 166 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: the second the car was there on the stage, they 167 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: took it off and the unveiling was incredible. They had 168 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: like a sand dune set up in this exhibition center 169 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: where the car sort of drove out onto and look, 170 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: I got I say, we've got a really close look 171 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: at the vehicle, and to me, I think this is 172 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: a quantum leap forward in terms of interior, what do 173 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: you reckon and just design in general. 174 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks it looks amazing and you can see 175 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: that the thing is basically like a Japanese range drove 176 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: and they've gone they've gone for the moon with this 177 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: and and under the bond as well, you know, they 178 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: ditched the old V eight and put in a twin 179 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: turbo six with a. 180 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: Little bit of feel about that. 181 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: Well, the other day I had back to back nis 182 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: and bookings where I drove a Nissan Patrol Warrior with 183 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: its side pipes and it's big O the eight dog. 184 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: It's got a good sound though. 185 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: It sounds incredible. 186 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 187 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: And then and then I went back to back with 188 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: a Nismo Z and that sounds not incredible at all. 189 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: And that's supposed to be the sports car one hundred 190 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: thousand dollars sports car that you'd like to take out 191 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: for a driving a weekend. And you know, it's better 192 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: to get into the family bus if you want to 193 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: hear something that sounds good. So, yeah, the new Patrol 194 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: will sound like a tractor, but you'll feel pretty cool 195 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: inside it. 196 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even some of the tech like they 197 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: had this, I don't think this has been in any 198 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: other cars before. Basically biometric climate control and what they're 199 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: able to do usee a infrared sensor mounted to the roof. 200 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: When an occupant enters the vehicle, it's able to measure 201 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 2: their skin temperature and if they've been out in the 202 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: in the searing desert heat, which is exactly what it was, 203 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: it basically will detect that you're you've just come in 204 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: the car, you're hotter than everyone else, and we will 205 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: increase the fans speed near you. Oh my god, it 206 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: cools you down, which is amazing. 207 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: That's so Japanese. Yeah, you know what I mean. That's 208 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: that's amazing. 209 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: And for people listening to this driving with their pets, 210 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: and you can imagine the dogs of Australia love to have 211 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: this implemented. Veterinarians officers. 212 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: Actually I heard Trevor jump to one of those and 213 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: the aircond just aims straight for his num. 214 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: I just couldn't find them. But yeah, other cool stuff 215 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: pneumatic massaging, and there is a key difference, and I'm 216 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: going to sound like an absolute waker here, but if 217 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: you get into like a French car and you turn 218 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: the massage seats on, it's like, is someone lightly pushing 219 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: my seat from behind? You don't feel a thing. Pneumatic 220 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: massages it's like someone, Yeah, someone's driving a knife into 221 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: your back. So it's got a set of those, which 222 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: is great. They released a Pro four X version which 223 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: is like an off road friendly one. That twin turbo 224 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: V six will be interesting because to me, I have 225 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: a look at everyone that buys a patrol these days. 226 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: The second they get them, they modify them. They'll lift 227 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: big wheels, big tires, snork, they just go to town 228 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: on them. The second Nissan goes down this path of 229 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: turbo charging this car, it's got air suspension. Now you're 230 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: just removing. There was even another thing that was pointed 231 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: out by my Middle Eastern friend over there. Basically he 232 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: was saying that when they jack up patrols in the UAE, 233 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: at the moment, there's enough clearance between the basically the 234 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: suspension components and the body fit to fit big, big wheels. 235 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: What they've now done though, to meet crash test requirements 236 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: for the states where they have I think it's called 237 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: the near offset, where they basically crash the car into 238 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: what is a parked car, effectively the narrow overlap now 239 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: overlap that's in it, but you're only glancing it. These big 240 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: vehicles that are on ladder frame chassis, they're designed to 241 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: have like a basically a wheel ejector. So if your 242 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: wheel hits the side of this car, instead of it 243 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: folding into the cabin and intruding into your footwell, it's 244 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: got basically a metal component that's attached to the chassis 245 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: that ejects the wheel out the side of the car, 246 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: so you don't have it in the way, so if 247 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: you have. 248 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: A look, gee, you wouldn't want to be near that crash, correct. 249 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: But if you have a look at the chassis, it 250 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: basically prevents you from from fitting some of the big 251 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: wheels that you can currently fit to patrol. So he 252 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: pointed that out to me, and I'm like, oh, I 253 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: didn't even notice that. So I'm going to have a 254 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: closer look at that because it is going to affect 255 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: what you can do to this in terms of modifications. 256 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 257 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: I remember seeing this in terms of like the looks 258 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: of it. It does look quite premium, like it's quite 259 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: a plush looking, almost European car, and I thought, who's 260 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: going to put a big sports bar on this? And yeah, 261 00:11:53,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: you would, Fat Pogan, But I just thought, like you, 262 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: it's actually quite a beautiful looking car. I think then 263 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: this in Patrol needed this, and my first thoughts were, 264 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: people are going to just modify the shit out of this. 265 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: It will be interesting about the suspension, though, because isn't 266 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: that under some sort of subscription I think. 267 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: They were talking about They briefly mentioned subscription stuff, but 268 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: I think the translating wasn't great because someone asked, what 269 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: is the mass, and he said thirty five hundred kilos. 270 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, it hasn't added a ton since 271 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: you've updated it. And I watched a few of the 272 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: videos back after and a lot of people quoted thirty 273 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: five hundred kilos as the mass. I'm like, that's not true. 274 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: On the subscription run, it does. It's hooked up with 275 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: Google as an OS, so you can you can use 276 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: Google Play apps and all that sort of stuff in 277 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: the big touch green in the middle of the car, 278 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: which and they've basically said, yeah, this is going to 279 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: be revenue stream forests going forward for this and for 280 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: other car companies as well. 281 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: What do you think about subscriptions. 282 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: I've been thinking about it a lot lately. Got a 283 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: story coming out about it pretty pretty soon that you'll 284 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: see up on news dot com. They're everywhere, you know. 285 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: The other day I attended to launch of the new 286 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: smart hashtag one and hashtag three fucking stupid. Yeah you 287 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: said it. And this thing has has a little digital avatar. 288 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: So if you're old enough to have used Microsoft word 289 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: back in the day where they had Clippy, the. 290 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Little the little clip, hard guy, can I help you off? 291 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 3: It looks like you're writing a letter and this this this, 292 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: you know, there will be like a little little fox 293 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: or a little cheetah in the corner of the screen, 294 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: like a little animated animal that will be like, oh, 295 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: it looks like you're trying to adjust the air conditioning. 296 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: Can I help you with that? And this is this 297 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: is genuinely I think that's in the car now. And 298 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: you can choose between a fox or a cheetah for free. 299 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: But if you want to design your own sort of 300 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: advatars in China you can. You can unlock other avatars, 301 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: but it's all it's all money. You're paying to do 302 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 3: it all, and then you can pay for accessories for them, 303 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: like little hats and wings and looks. 304 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: Like a meat pie on a bean bag, like a. 305 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: Good Saturday afternoon. 306 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: But that's the thing. 307 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: I get. Subscriptions and those little titty bits for kids. 308 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: If you're a kid that plays Fortnite and all that stuff, 309 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: you force your parents into buying the little upgrades. And 310 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: I've never played for they spend a lot of money 311 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: on it, though, But it seems to me if you're 312 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: an adult, I mean, would you really paid as people? 313 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: There are people out there. 314 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: Really, but there are a lot of them. 315 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: I just can't get it on my genesis. So there 316 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: would be that want some kind of cutesy little bloody 317 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: raccoon or something like that. When you're clicking on. 318 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: There, it's my raco. 319 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: There is cheeky little Trevor the raccoon. Oh look we 320 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: didn't do a little dance. Yeah, I don't know. 321 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: I get the concept of it. To me. Subscriptions make 322 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: sense for stuff like what Tesla does, where you can 323 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: pay to get premium connectivities. You're getting satellite maps, you're 324 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: getting Spotify, all that sort of stuff, and if you 325 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: don't want it, you don't need to have it. 326 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: But that's the thing with say Apple car Play, Like 327 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: Apple car Plays got all that for you and it's 328 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: just running off. 329 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: That's why Tesla doesn't let you have Apple Yeah Play. 330 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: But this will be I reckon one to watch because 331 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: I've got a feeling Apple car Play or Apple in itself. 332 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: That'll be their new thing, will be trying to get 333 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: in on car companies. Perhaps I don't know, but that's 334 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: what they're doing now. 335 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: Dave. 336 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: You would have seen the demo they had of the 337 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: entire Apple car right, it's not a physical car, but 338 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: it's a takeover of the infotainment. 339 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: That's the idea is the digital dashboards and cars your 340 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: car play instead of it just being on the little 341 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: screen in between the driver and passenger, that will fully 342 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: take over the dashboard. And there are car companies that 343 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: have said that they're going to do it. Porsche's committed 344 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: to it. I think it'll be probably in this generation 345 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: of kN at some point. It hasn't launched with it. 346 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Though, Yeah. 347 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: I think they're close to that because we we didn't 348 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: talk about this, but the week before the patrol thing, 349 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: I went to drive the ex ninety Volvo in the 350 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: States and that car has been delayed now a year, 351 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: maybe longer. And it actually follows on with that discussion 352 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: we had in the last steps about Rivian, where they've 353 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: gone and designed the software stack from virtually ground up, 354 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: and the biggest issue that they have when it comes 355 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: to stuff like infotainment and the screens in cars is 356 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: that there's different vendors for everything. You've got n Video 357 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: running some of the graphic systems for your head up 358 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: display and the driver in sort of screen. Then you've 359 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: got Google, Android Automotive OS running your infotainment system. That 360 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of stuff there. But you can 361 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: imagine if Apple took over everything you Basically, in my mind, 362 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: it would be a much smoother experience. Everything would just 363 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: work well. 364 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. We're carrying this thing around 365 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. It's next to us when we sleep. 366 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of. 367 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: Anyone who can't see this, he's holding his. 368 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Phone, sorry, holding not anything else. This is just for 369 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: our substacklessness. What that is I don't know, but yeah, 370 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: it's basically just like your phone's an extension of yourself. 371 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: So I kind of go, it's just such an easier 372 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and cheaper thing, Like you're already paying for the apps 373 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: on your phone surely when you just want to plug 374 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: it into your car, get it all up and there 375 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: you go. I mean, I feel divided about it because 376 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: it feels I get the reasoning behind it in terms 377 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: of user experience, but I also feel like it's just 378 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: a revenue raising kind of tool from those. 379 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: Car company one hundred percent. Like I was talking to 380 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: BMW about it the other day. The current generation X five, 381 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: you can buy a base model car that has sports 382 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: suspension in it, well, like adaptive suspension that has comfort 383 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: in sports mode to access that it's twenty nine dollars 384 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: a month or two hundred and ninety dollars for a year. 385 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: And I think the idea with this is that it's 386 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: not so much about the first owner but the subsequent owners, 387 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 3: because people are looking at this exactly like your iPhone. Right, 388 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: so you buy your iPhone sixteen, if you're going to 389 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: get the new one in a couple of weeks, it's 390 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: just going to roll over all the subscriptions and all 391 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: the apps and all the preferences that you had on 392 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 3: your previous generation phone. And I think the car companies 393 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: are looking at it in a similar sort of way, 394 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: where when you roll from one car to the next, 395 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: as you know, you roll over a lease or whatever, 396 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: it will have all your favorite preferences. It will know 397 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: automatically what your preferred radio stations are, what you're preferred 398 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: you know, climate control settings, all that sort of stuff, 399 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: and other things too, like calendars and all that sort 400 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 3: of stuff. It's all synced in, so it will have 401 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: that as part of the services. In the same way 402 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: that you know, if I switch from my iPhone fifteen 403 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 3: to sixteen, it's going to roll over and have Ko 404 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: and Spotify and all the stuff that I'm paying for 405 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: without me having to sign up for anything new, and 406 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: the phone is just a vessel for those digital services. 407 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 3: I think that's the way they're looking at it from 408 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: a car perspective. 409 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: Apps and stuff I can kind of get because you 410 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: can pick and choose what you like, and it's up 411 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: to you if you really want fucking Netflix in your 412 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: car whatever. But when it comes to stuff like whether 413 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: it be I don't know, suspension subscription so you can 414 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: get like sports suspension or massage seats or you know whatever, 415 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: I just that kind of thing. I mean, I get 416 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: you're kind of paying for that extra anyway, but I 417 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: feel like if it's in the car all along, you 418 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: should just fucking be able to have it. 419 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is KEYA In the US. I've got 420 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: a mode for the EV nine. I wonder who'd buy 421 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: one of those to access to access the cars like, 422 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: it's got a level of performances standard, but if you 423 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: want to go a little bit faster than you've got 424 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: to buy a Boost mode, which is nine hundred US 425 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 3: dollars again, fourteen hundred bucks to access. But it doesn't 426 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: change anything physically. It just changes the software in the 427 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: motor and the and the battery, the way that it 428 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: outputs energy. I mean, Motor Train did a really great 429 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: story with this where they've got a long term EV 430 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 3: nine and they went into the touchscreen and bought everything 431 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: that they could find and it was twenty eight hundred dollars. 432 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: There was a lot of shit, So like if you've 433 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: got imagine imagine you know, your your kids footy training 434 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: or something like that, and that you're the parent out 435 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: they're standing with the umbrella and one of your kids says, oh, 436 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: can I just go and sit in the car? Please 437 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: come back to like three grand whether of stuff that've had. 438 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: It's now convertible. They've pressed too many buds. 439 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 3: Some of it's really interesting, like this idea that you know, 440 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: if you've got a favorite sports team, you can customize 441 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 3: the car's ambient lighting and the and the theme of 442 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: the dashboard to like the La Laker And that's a 443 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: one off, forty dollars charge over there, But you could 444 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 3: probably do that anyway by just messing around with the 445 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: ambient lighting and all that sort of stuff deep in 446 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: the menus. 447 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, as a as a Forward Ranger owner, 448 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 2: I've been having a look at the range of forums, 449 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: and they've got this tool that you can basically plug 450 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: into the OBD port and it's called four scan or 451 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: something like that. But you can BA four scar. 452 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: Sure you've got a hel one if you can drive 453 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: a Raptor. 454 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: But basically it allows you to enable all of these 455 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: features that your car has but you don't have. So 456 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 2: for example, if you drive any ever store or Ranger 457 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: that isn't equipped with it, you only have a certain 458 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: number of drive modes, whereas if you enable these features, 459 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: you can actually have something like a sport mode. Then 460 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: they have a sort of tank turn feature which they've 461 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: released on the Tremor, which all the cars can do. 462 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: You just tick a box and then it appears on 463 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: the infotainment screen. It's just again it's all soft, we're driven. 464 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: All the cars have the same hardware. It's just the 465 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: software is then enabled to allow it to happen. 466 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: So this thing is basically a plug in that kind 467 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: of hacks the system pretty much. 468 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's some sort of a license. Someone whiz 469 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: bang has come up with this, but I think it's 470 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 2: it's like you said, you could do it to any car. 471 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: Really if you know that the hardware is there, it 472 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: will just do it for you. So yeah, it's that's 473 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. Now, I was gonna throw a little bit 474 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 2: of a curveball here. The worst car launch you've ever attended? 475 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't thought about that much at all. I 476 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: mean the smart one the other day did miss in 477 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: a couple of places. There there's no video to start with, 478 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: so that's that's pretty hard these days. And this is 479 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: what we're doing, except that I loved it because I 480 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: just shoot everything on my phone. 481 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: And no one else can. 482 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically knock that one out really quick. And you 483 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: know the lunch was like lobster tail and oysters and 484 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: caviat No, no really it's seafood and that was about eleven. 485 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: As poor bastard. 486 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: I know. Look it is. It is a struggle, yeah, 487 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: but we will prevail. 488 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: Do you find do you find that certain countries put 489 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: on better parties than others, Like like Chinese car companies 490 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: will bring out everything, whereas I don't know, a German 491 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: company might just be like, sit up and enjoy our car. 492 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends on how much they want to impress here. 493 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: I remember the first time I went on a key launch, 494 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: there was a sixteen course Deiga station lunch and the 495 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 3: first time I went on a Mercedes launch it was 496 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 3: for an AMG product that everyone It was the new 497 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: A forty five when that first came out like ten 498 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: years ago, and that was that was a really hot 499 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: car that everyone wanted to drive. And lunch was at 500 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: a pie shop and then and the pr blow could 501 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: just put his credit card on the bar. I was like, yeah, 502 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: I mean, treat yourself to a milkshake if you love. 503 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: Like talking about bad press launches, I mean, Paul and 504 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: I attended an absolute cracker of one in the Middle East. 505 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: He knows where I'm going with this. It was a 506 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 3: it was, it was brilliant. It was for the Maserati 507 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: Levante diesel, which I think we can all agree is 508 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: not a great car to start with. I mean they 509 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: launched that thing with a diesel from an old Jeep 510 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: which was really bad. And the later lot, don't get 511 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: me wrong, they were incredible. They put these twin turbo 512 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 3: v eights in them basically out of a Ferrari for 513 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: it eight and they were fast and they sounded awesome. 514 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: But the original cars were new, no, not that, and 515 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: they wanted to show how capable this thing was off road. 516 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: So we went into the desert with two or three 517 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 3: press cars and then we were supported by another vehicle, 518 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: which I assumed was going to be a patroll or 519 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: a land cruise or something like that, but it was 520 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: another Maserati and every single one of them shot the 521 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: bed spectacularly, I think the best ones. Like I was 522 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: following Paul at one point, and yeah, like the air 523 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: suspension was dumping out, so these things would have them 524 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 3: raised up as high as possible to drive in deep 525 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: sand in the desert, and then when the air suspension 526 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 3: would pack in, they would turn into like la low 527 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: riders and they scrape their bellies on. 528 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: The sand like a shovel. 529 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so there was that. I mean, the electric 530 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: parking brakes are basically welding themselves on. The cabins were 531 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: filling with sand and everything was clogging up. I mean, 532 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: I had I've got a video of the check engine 533 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: lights and warning lights on my phone that's about three 534 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: minutes long. 535 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 536 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: It was pretty epic, and the support vehicle was pretty 537 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 3: funny as well, because that thing died and then Paul like, 538 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: we don't get me wrong, we get spoilt quite a bit. 539 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: There is that there is like I'm not exaggerating about 540 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: lobster tails and cavea that happens. We were not spoilt 541 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: on this event though, where we were digging these things 542 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: out of the sand with our bare hands. 543 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: Basically, do you know what the best part about that 544 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: story is the most reliable car there was, the Press 545 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: mini bus to get you. 546 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: You know, that launch was so bad that it was 547 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: so good. You know, it was so bad that I 548 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: had so much fun there because we then did hot 549 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: lapse and this dude bailed us up in one of 550 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: the cars and I'm looking over his shoulder. He's kicking 551 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: the shit out of this thing. I'm looking over his shoulder. 552 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: I'm like, how do we have a full take of fuel? 553 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: And I looked again. 554 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, that's engine temperature. 555 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: It was all the way up. 556 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, mate, I think you need to let 557 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: this thing get some breath because it is fucked those cars. 558 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: One of them, one of the wheel arch guards came 559 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: off from when it fucking dumped its ass, And there 560 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: was just this vision of the boss of Maserati having 561 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: to rip this thing off and put it in the 562 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: boot and there was so much sand inside. They had 563 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: those stupid shifters in the middle. All you could hear 564 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: was crunching as you change it. So that was that 565 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: was something else. 566 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: When the boss of Maserati is pulling off, mate, it 567 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: was a freaking bumper guard and putting in the boot 568 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: of a car terrific. 569 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: That would have gone off in the Abidabbi shakes group chat. 570 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I certainly didn't. 571 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was like fifty degrees outside. It was 572 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: properly hot, and I just thought you wouldn't even take 573 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: a land cruiser out in this weather one of these things, 574 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, that was that was memorable. 575 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: Fuck what about the best one? What's one of the 576 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: ones where you go that was wild? 577 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: Ah my reflex reaction. I did it. Did a Ford 578 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 3: Mustang thing in America last year that was just incredible. 579 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: So we so for the it was a new generation Mustang. 580 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: It's just launching in Australia now and this thing is 581 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 3: the face of motus board around the world, so it's 582 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: used in supercars, it runs at Lamon, runs in NASCAR 583 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. So we did a 584 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: bit of a NASCAR trip We drove them flat out 585 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: on a NASCAR roval, which is like half oval on 586 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: the banking, half road course. And this was like, I've 587 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: never known anything like this before. I've driven them track plenty, 588 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: but you know, I had to wear hands device that 589 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 3: you know, embraces your neck against your body so that 590 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: if you have a huge crash and you don't snap 591 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 3: your spine. 592 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: And it was on Christopher Reeve yourself. 593 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, and I realized that I was in trouble 594 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 3: because I was on the banking doing like two hundred 595 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 3: and forty k's an hour, realizing that I didn't need 596 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: to look left, I needed to look up because that's 597 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: that's that's how the banking works, because you tipped on 598 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: your side and the car is basically it's like heading 599 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: uphill the whole time. And I couldn't crash down in 600 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: the seat enough to look up through the windscreen because 601 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 3: I was restricted by these these hands cables on my helmet. 602 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 3: And then that was another one that was forty degrees. 603 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: But yeah, we you know, we did those, and then 604 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: we did like a road trip across the States through 605 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: you know, through the South, and you know, stopped for 606 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: like fried chicken and waffles, and I went to went 607 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: to Penskes went to a NASCAR race now cars, Like 608 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: I was really dismissive of it before going there, and 609 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: then you see these guys racing packs. It's it's an 610 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: incredible sport. Like one of their best drivers had a 611 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: huge crash in the in the race last weekend, guy 612 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: named Kyle Larson, because his car snapped on him because 613 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: he's driving it right on the edge. He's cornering it 614 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: like three hundred odd kilometers an hour on the oval 615 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: and the car like fifty meters in front of him 616 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: has just shifted over half a lane. And what it 617 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: did was it changed the aerow balance of his car 618 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: mid corner. It took a bit of took a bit 619 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: of downforce out of the front end basically, and it 620 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: just changed the balance and it just snapped and sent 621 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: him into the fence at like three hundred and this 622 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 3: this sort of stuff happens all the time. The cars 623 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: roll and all that. They're not just turning left. The 624 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: guys that are like and a lot of the time 625 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: they're oversteering, like basically drifting. 626 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: You know the dude that rode the wall all the 627 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: way around. 628 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: Was that a NASCAR It wasn't it was. That's that's 629 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 3: a test, But yeah, that was. That was like a 630 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: race to stay in the championship. 631 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 2: Last year, they basically, I don't know if you saw it, 632 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: they basically he raced as the championship. He had to 633 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: get around all these cars and he basically so with 634 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: Venascar Oval, you've got the wall. He basically just went 635 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 2: up close to the wall and just nailed it and 636 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: then used the wall to hold his car all the 637 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: way around overtook a whole shiploader cars. 638 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: That's amazing, unbelievable. 639 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: But they've now banned that. 640 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: I think they have. Yeah, they've got a couple of 641 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: rules in there like that. I mean, it's an incredible sport, 642 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 3: like they're so specialized in what they do. But then 643 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 3: also you send someone like Shane ben Gisberg and over 644 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: there and he brains them because none of them, none 645 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: of them use a clutch when driving the manuals, which 646 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: is really weird, right, So they would just basically put 647 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: have their left foot on their break and the right 648 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: foot on the gas and just never use the clutch 649 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: on downshifts. And this is why Bean Gisberg and scooed 650 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: them all in the rain because these guys were coming 651 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: into breaking in the wet and trying to downshift a 652 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: couple of times going into a corner pressure and just yeah, compression, 653 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: you're just like smashing it down through the gears and 654 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: snatching the rear wheels, whereas like Shane, Shane's using the 655 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: clutch as a tool to modulate the way that the 656 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 3: talker is hitting the rear tires on downshifts and you know, 657 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: heal and towing and all that sort of stuff, which 658 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: is like a really old school technique going back forever. 659 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: He's such a good driver, he's you know, he's proven 660 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: here in Australia that he's that he's he's made of it, 661 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: because he's now up in another category over there. He 662 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: got promoted, is that right? 663 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So he's been racing in their second 664 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: tier just called the Xfinity Series and doing the odd 665 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 3: drive in the in the top class which is called 666 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: the Cup Series. And yeah, Van Gisbergan is going to 667 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: race full time in the Cup Series next year, which 668 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: will yeah, it'll be great. I mean, like the race 669 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: that he won in Chicago, I think there was eight 670 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: million dollars in prize money involved something, So it's like 671 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: more than any any supercar driver's entire career earnings in 672 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: one day. Wow, that's pretty great. 673 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: It's almost quite funny. There was commentary this is how 674 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: useless my memory is. There was commentary I think was 675 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: over the weekend with one of the NASCAR drivers saying 676 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: that he would be he would school the stap and 677 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: at a at a NASCAR trip. 678 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: That's last and the guy that had the big snap, 679 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: And I just I love that that they actually don't 680 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: really give too much of a ship. 681 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: They're not Formula one drivers, like it is so big 682 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: over in the States, and maybe it'll be a little 683 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: bit different now that Formula one has kind of taken 684 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: off in the States as well. But I just think 685 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: that they have Yeah, they've just got this huge ego. 686 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Oh they've got a status over there. What was that? 687 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: Remember that Will Farrell movie. 688 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: It's a documentary. 689 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he just walks around like he is king 690 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: of the world. And you kind of like it's funny 691 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: because I don't think I would have been interested unless 692 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: I went myself. But you look on the outside and 693 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: you kind of go, these dudes are just like Meadhead celebs. 694 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 695 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: Oh, there's there's NASCAR Drive to Survive. It's called NASCAR 696 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 3: Full Throttle. It's on Netflix as well, and it's and 697 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: the opening shots is basically it's pretty much Ricky Bobby. 698 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: The guys like piss excellence and you know, he drives, 699 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: drives to drop his kids at school with them sitting 700 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: on his lap while he's driving, because he just doesn't 701 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: give a ship. Yes, I've seen the first episode of 702 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: Thunder and then it shows it, you know, it shows 703 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: his mansion, which is just massive. That's actually one of 704 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: the great things. One of the drivers bought the man 705 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: from Ricky Bobby's bought Ricky Bobby's mansion from Talladaga Nights. Right, Yeah, anyway, Yeah, 706 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: so the first episode of this NASCAR series shows the guy, 707 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, with his jet and his helicopter and his 708 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: massive mansion. 709 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, his tracker cap and he's got his daughter 710 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: on the I do. 711 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 3: Know that none of them want to do Formula one 712 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 3: because it's it's really well done, because they don't. If 713 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 3: you go to a NASCAR race, there's no support stuff, 714 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: there's no you don't watch qualifying or anything. You show 715 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: up the fans can walk around on the track literally 716 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: walking on the track surface like until ten minutes before 717 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: the race starts, and then when the race finishes, they 718 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: the pits and everything are all temporary. It's like it's 719 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: like camping equipment basically, and they and they put it 720 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: on their truck and they hit the road and the 721 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: guys are all home for dinner basically. 722 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: Travel the world like it's well, I don't know if 723 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: you know the answer to this, but is how does 724 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: the prize money compare in NASCAR to Formula One? 725 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 726 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: Formula One, like NASCAR, has actual legit prize money which 727 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: they issue based on based on you know, where you 728 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: finish in race. The Americans do it like that. You 729 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: win the five hundred, you get X million dollars. Everyone 730 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: knows it. It's like a published figure before and I 731 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: remember it off the top of my head. If one 732 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: doesn't really work like that. But the drivers are incredibly 733 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: well paid and then most of them will have performance 734 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: bonuses in their courses. It's the same in the supercars. 735 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 3: There's no prize money in supercars per se. If you 736 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: win pop position, you get like a grand yep, but 737 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: you win the bat this one thousand. There's no prize 738 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 3: money for that, except that all the drivers have it 739 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: written into their contract. Like if you're driving for Red 740 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: Bull or whatever, like you win Bathist, you're going to 741 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: get a nice payday on top of your salary. 742 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: It's interesting there. I'm curious to know your thoughts on 743 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: Chinese cars. We talk Chinese cars pretty much every episode, 744 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: and we get a lot of people raging and emailing 745 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: us telling us how shit they are and all that 746 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. There's a whole stack of Chinese brands 747 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: coming to Australia. What is the limit to this? Do 748 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: you think that we'll see more or less over the 749 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 2: next sort of three to five years When you look 750 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: at all the stuff that is coming, I think. 751 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 3: We're going to see more. And then let I think 752 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: what's going to happen is this, We're going to reach 753 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: a saturation point and the ones that don't have a 754 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 3: strong following, that don't have strong backing, are going to 755 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: dip out pretty quickly. So some of these I don't 756 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: want to name the brand that I think is going 757 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 3: to fail, but you look at some of these things, yeah, 758 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: you can see that they don't really have the back 759 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 3: in the way they should. I think they all look 760 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: at things like BYD, which came in with basically no 761 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: support from a big manufacturer, but they also timed it 762 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: to perfection BYD coming in right on the cusp of COVID, 763 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: right when there's the semiconductor shortage, right when people are 764 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: you know, there's this ev leasing thing comes in which, 765 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: by the way, it costs the government five times more 766 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 3: than they thought it would and it's just blown up. 767 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: So BYD they knocked it out of the park. And 768 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: then so everybody else has gone, oh shit, we could 769 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: do that. I'm not convinced that they can though, and 770 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 3: there certainly is. Yeah, there's a lot of competition there. 771 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: I mean, would I personally buy one, No, not not 772 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: many of them, A couple maybe, But it also I 773 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: think if it all depends on your expectations. Right, If 774 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: you love cars and you're a petrol head and you 775 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: love the way cars drive, and you know you've got 776 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: yourself for like a Mustang or a golfer or something 777 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: like that, you're not gonna like many of these things. 778 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 3: But if you if you've been driving around in like 779 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 3: a you know, like an old camera or something like that, 780 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 3: and you're looking for something, something new you get into, 781 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 3: even like a Cherio motor or something like that. Like 782 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: I just picked up one of those today, and the 783 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 3: amount of stuff they jam into one of those things 784 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: for forty grand is really impressive. And it's like the 785 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: video you did the other day with the perfume in 786 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 3: a car, Like you're not like, what Toyota has perfume 787 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: in it? 788 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: But you know, just an update on that. He's exhausted 789 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: all the perfume. He's a sweaty bastard. 790 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: And at least I small goods. 791 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually the It's funny you say that because 792 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: I had a Seal the performance and also the long range, 793 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: which is I think about six fifty, and I thought 794 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: to myself, this feels like a really good commuter car, 795 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: the Seal, do you know what I mean? But then 796 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: there are Chinese brands that without naming names, that just 797 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: miss it in so many ways. 798 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 3: Oh they all, I mean, there's no there's no perfect car. 799 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: What I find really interesting about this is an enthusiast 800 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 3: like my car at home, I've got a I've got 801 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 3: a Reno Sport McGain that have done a few mods 802 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: with and the things really well set up for track work. 803 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: So I really love the way that car handles and 804 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: brakes and all of that. And it doesn't have a 805 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: lot of powers one hundred and ninety five kilowats, but 806 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 3: it's got you know, big fat prairie trafe tires. It's 807 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: actually got bridged on Ari seventy one irs on at 808 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 3: the moment, shameless plug, thank you for the big tires 809 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: for But it's got it's got semi slecks, it's got 810 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 3: race brakes and all that sort of stuff, and it's 811 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 3: fantastic and it's not that fast and a straight line. 812 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: But then a lot of these, a lot of these EV's, 813 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: particularly the Chinese ones, are in the opposite direction. Like 814 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 3: you drive a Volvo Ex thirty dual motor and the 815 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 3: thing does naught to one hundred and roughly the same 816 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: time as a Ferrari of forty. And it's on like 817 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: just pretty ordinary eco minded tires. Yeah, and the suspension 818 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: set up to ride well and doesn't necessarily you know, 819 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 3: corner and steer, and the you know, the by D 820 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 3: seals is a bit like that for me as well. 821 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 3: The cars that impress on a brief test drive, you 822 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 3: get into them and you've got all the features. You 823 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: got heated and cooled seats and big touch screen that 824 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 3: tips on its side, and all that sort of stuff, 825 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 3: but they don't really feel like they've been engineered in 826 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: the same way. 827 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 2: They've been engineered very quickly. Yeah, that's one of the 828 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 2: key differences. They will release a car to market very quickly, 829 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: and they take a lot of off the shelf parts 830 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 2: and they don't do the level of tuning to stuff 831 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: like the ride and the things that you would expect. 832 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 2: But and in saying that, a lot of people don't know. 833 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: You know, when they go by let's say that cherry, right, 834 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 2: you're getting all the stuff inside, and if you're just 835 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: driving around the city, no one's ever going to know. 836 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: But it's only when you head out to the country 837 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 2: you hit some choppy roads and you're like, holy shit, 838 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: this thing is all over the place. But at that 839 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: point you know it might not be something you do off. 840 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 3: So I had this with the MG three Hybrid, which 841 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 3: is a really interesting This little MG three hybrid has 842 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 3: and has a lot of power. Actually it's one hundred 843 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 3: and forty kilo, so it's like a ten year old 844 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 3: GDI or something, but it only has a fairly small 845 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: battery and you can deplete it you absolutely carry So 846 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: I had this, you know, if you know Sydney. I 847 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 3: drove it down the M five and turned off at 848 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: Picton and there's a country road loop that I like 849 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 3: to use there where it's in one hundred kzon and 850 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 3: it's got a few you know, rocking hills and some 851 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 3: off camber corners and things. And yeah, I was driving 852 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 3: it up a hill and it just stopped accelerating. And 853 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 3: what's really crazy is there's a figure on the dashboard 854 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 3: that tells you how many killer what's the car is making, 855 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: and usually that's useless information, but in this case, you 856 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: see the thing go from one hundred and twenty whatever 857 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 3: KILLO wats to like fifty to help me, and yeah, 858 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 3: it feels like someone's knocked the car into neutral. And 859 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 3: then I went and repeated it a couple of times 860 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 3: and rang them up and was like, what is going on? 861 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: I had no idea about. 862 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: That same experience, we did half a lap of the 863 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 2: right and handling track of the proving ground and it 864 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 2: got to the point where your foot would be through 865 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: the firewall and the speed I would not be increasing, 866 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: it would just not move and then you let off 867 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: the throttle, you give it a minute, you go for 868 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: it again, and then you get thrown back in the 869 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: seat for another twenty seconds. Then it disappears and they've 870 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: got this I can't remember if it was THEMG three 871 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: or if it was maybe the jolly On. We've got 872 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: like a two speed transmission as well. So it gets 873 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: to a point where like one hundred ish kilometers an 874 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: hour where it changes into its other gear and there's 875 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 2: like a five second delay, and then it dips down 876 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 2: in speed, gets its next gear, and then it goes 877 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: goes up again and it's like like, what are you doing? Yeah, 878 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: And that's actually my concern. I know ten thousand tangents here, 879 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 2: but that is actually my concern with plug in hybrid uts. 880 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 2: If you look at that bid, if you drive at 881 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 2: longer distance, get to the point where you've drained that 882 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 2: thirty kilo what our battery and you're towing something, you're 883 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 2: going to get to a hill where you deplete the 884 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 2: reserve energy and you're going to have a little one 885 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 2: and a half lead to trying to tow two and 886 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 2: a half tons plus your vehicle plus it's wait up 887 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: this hill. It is going to be potentially a horror show. 888 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: So that's the first thing I'm going to be testing 889 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 2: when I get one of those, or the Ranger as well, 890 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 2: because I get the concept of it. It all sounds 891 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 2: great on paper, but when you actually put it to use, 892 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be just like that MG 893 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 2: three where you deplete the battery, which you will do 894 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: to driving. 895 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 3: You know that's not potential. Doesn't imagine getting a wobble 896 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: on with a trailer and the car deciding now is 897 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 3: the time to throw the brakes. 898 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 2: On you got to overtake. I mean, it's just there's 899 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: just so many situations there where that doesn't make any sense. 900 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about a story that you 901 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 2: broke it at News about the novated lease incentives that 902 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: the government has. So for a lot of people that 903 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: are listening, they might have an electric vehicle under the 904 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 2: luxury car attacks that they've got on a novated lease. 905 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: It means it's FBT exempt, means you get to take 906 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 2: hard more money at the end of the day. Plug 907 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 2: in hybrids also eligible for that as well. Can you 908 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 2: run us through what the government thought this would cost 909 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 2: and what it actually costs. 910 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a really fun story. Actually they didn't 911 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 3: really want me to write it. There's a bit of 912 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 3: back and forth about this, but essentially, yeah, there's there's 913 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 3: an EV discount that was put in place by the 914 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: Albanezi government to encourage people to lease evs, not buy them, 915 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 3: because they wanted people to lease them and then trade 916 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 3: them in at the end of the lease. And they thought, oh, yeah, 917 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 3: there's a few people seeing evs now, and we think 918 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 3: this will encourage a bit of take up. And they 919 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 3: their original forecast was that the first four years of 920 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 3: this would cost about two hundred and forty million dollars, 921 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 3: and what it actually cost in lost tax revenue over 922 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 3: five years it was one point eight billion. 923 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: Just a little miss. Theres got to carry the one one. 924 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: Sorry about that album. 925 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 3: They claim They claim that they change the way that 926 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 3: they calculate things as part of this process, which which 927 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 3: might be true. Shit yeah, but also but also, I mean, 928 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: but you can see it with your own eyes, like 929 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 3: how many white Tesla model wires are out there, like people, 930 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 3: people are buying these things. And also anyone that is 931 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 3: in an EV really is doing this and it's it's 932 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 3: it's well more than half of EV's on the road 933 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 3: these days, at least you'd be mad not to really, 934 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 3: because like I mean, there have been times I keep 935 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 3: an eye on this. There have been times where the 936 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 3: cheapest car de lease in Australia has been an EV, 937 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 3: where it's like hundred and thirty bucks a week. 938 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 2: It is so cheap, Like if you're one of the 939 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 2: people that went on a five year lease and got 940 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 2: it locked in two years ago when interest rates were 941 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: low and you were getting a low comparison rate, you 942 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 2: are not paying much for that vehicle. But I think 943 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 2: we've explained this in previous episode. The issue with all 944 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: of this is residuals at the end. And now if 945 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 2: you look at car sales, you can no longer do 946 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 2: an instant off from an electric vehicle. No one wants 947 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 2: an electric vehicle as in to buy secondhand, so no 948 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 2: one's buying them as a consumer, and no one is 949 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: buying them as a dealer. Right, dealers will not touch 950 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 2: electric vehicles. 951 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: Well, I can imagine a dealer not touching it, but 952 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: because I think there'll be all sorts of issues with that. 953 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: But private, I thought the private market would still be okay. 954 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: We sold the Tesla and it took like three days. 955 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, private, private market's a little bit different. So you're 956 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 2: selling it, selling it to some Joe and they'll come 957 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 2: and buy it. But a lot of trades that happen 958 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 2: with new car dealers. If you're going to buy a 959 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 2: new car, they'll trade in your old one. And then 960 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 2: these instant office services that are transacting hundreds and hundreds 961 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 2: and hundreds of cars a day are basically sending out 962 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 2: off as constantly. Well they've all now Car sales has 963 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 2: stopped doing that, and they had a lot of those 964 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,959 Speaker 2: on their books, so it's telling you that they can't 965 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 2: flip these things. So dealers don't want to have an 966 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: electric vehicle there because they're impossible to sell. And this 967 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 2: this thing about selling privately, I've got alert set up 968 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: for Model Y and Model three. Every day there as 969 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: ten or twenty that are listed, so people are flooding 970 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 2: the market at the moment with them, You're going to 971 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: find that the floor price will just collapse and the 972 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 2: prices that you see on car sales will be you. 973 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: Know, well, the range is crazy anyway. It would go 974 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: from anything for say a model why, anything from say 975 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: fifty five to fucking eighty thousand dollars, and yeah, you 976 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: can get a brand new one for seventy eight thousand dollars. 977 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like it's wild. 978 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 3: But watch what happens next year as well, because this 979 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 3: policy came into effect in twenty twenty two. Yep, and 980 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 3: no one leases a car for two years. Well you can, 981 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 3: but at a lot of people, a lot of people 982 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 3: will go like three to get their payments down. So 983 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 3: from next year the market is going to be absolutely 984 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 3: flooded with modern wine model three and these things. You're 985 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 3: going to be absolutely sport for chores, which I mean 986 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 3: if it means if you'd like trying to do uber 987 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 3: on a budget or something like that, you're gonna be 988 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 3: able to pick up one of these things for like 989 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 3: twenty five grand. 990 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 2: If you want it secondhand, you're in a good position 991 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 2: at the moment to haggle. But I always warned people 992 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 2: about buying a secondhand electric vehicle that if you are 993 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 2: getting something that's three four years old, you are dicing 994 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 2: with the possibility that you're going to have a battery 995 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 2: that's cooked. You're going to get very close to the 996 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 2: end of the battery warranty. You're outside of the vehicle's warranty. 997 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 2: Typically it's just not a great position to be in. 998 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 2: And it's not as if you can just go get 999 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 2: a reconditioned engine, which you can do with a lot 1000 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 2: of older cars. This is new battery. Even a reconditioned 1001 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 2: battery is an expensive process. 1002 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: I had a mate who did a Tesla what's the 1003 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: fucking old thing with the gold model X put a 1004 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: new battery in that for seventeen thousand dollars. It took 1005 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: his battery power from something like seventy five to eighty 1006 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: four percent, So like right, and it's a brand new battery, 1007 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So it's the strangest 1008 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 1: thing ever he bought. He literally paid seventeen thousand dollars. 1009 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 3: The other part of it, too, is this is one 1010 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 3: of the things in this we're talking about with this 1011 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 3: last week was solid state batteries where it feels like 1012 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 3: hydrogen and then it's perpetually around the corner, and like, oh, 1013 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 3: we're going to do it just just a few weeks 1014 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 3: full self driving. Yeah, they were saying exactly they were saying, 1015 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 3: but they're saying they're going to have solid state cars 1016 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 3: on the road. In a trial purpose this year, which 1017 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 3: there's not a whole lot of twenty twenty. 1018 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 2: Four September as this. Don't see that happening. 1019 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 3: That could yeah, could could be tricky, but they're basically 1020 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 3: saying these batteries are so small and dense that they 1021 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 3: could you could pack them within the chazy rails of 1022 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 3: something like a Navara or a patrol. 1023 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 2: You keep hearing this stuff, and it's like, all right, 1024 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 2: if it was possible, why has everyone not done it now? 1025 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 2: I just feel like everyone keeps talking about it, and 1026 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 2: we've been talking about it for years and years. And 1027 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 2: if you think about if she's COVID as an example, 1028 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,959 Speaker 2: you had one point where everyone is working on vaccines 1029 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 2: and all the sort of stuff associated with COVID all sorts. Yeah, 1030 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 2: so now you've got the same story. In evs. Everyone 1031 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 2: is working on solid state. It's not just car companies, 1032 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 2: it is private companies, big corporations. No one has come 1033 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 2: up with anything that's viable yet, and if they did, 1034 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 2: it would be in production tomorrow because it would give 1035 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 2: you the ultimate advantage over everyone else. Battery tech really 1036 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,240 Speaker 2: hasn't evolved as much as you know cars. 1037 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 3: I just wish charging tech evolved like I had. I 1038 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 3: had a Porsche tykwon turbo last week, which is you know, 1039 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 3: it's not only like the fastest EV you can buy, 1040 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 3: it's the fastest charging EV you can buy. And I 1041 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,919 Speaker 3: took it to a place that had had one hundred 1042 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 3: and fifty kilo what charges, They delivered thirty eight killer 1043 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 3: charge to the car, And then I took it to 1044 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 3: another one that had seventy five and it was it 1045 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 3: was like in the mid thirties again, and that was 1046 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 3: and in both cases there were no other evs around, 1047 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 3: Like if there was someone right next to you plugged in, 1048 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 3: it'd be even worse. And you just you can't depend 1049 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 3: on yeah stuff Sometimes well. 1050 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 2: You've seen Ampole roll back there targets for installing EV 1051 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 2: charges at fuel stations because they're saying that they can't 1052 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 2: get grid capacity to roll out DC fast charges across 1053 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 2: where their fuel stations are located. So if am Pole, 1054 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 2: a company that has received millions of dollars of government funding, 1055 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 2: can't do it, I mean, what hope is there for 1056 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 2: anyone else? And the other thing, bizarre thing, how does 1057 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 2: a company like Tritium go out of business? You are 1058 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 2: making the thing that is the most in demand around 1059 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 2: the world at the moment. How are these charging companies 1060 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 2: going out of business? 1061 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: Another government? What's in charge? 1062 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 3: Fox funded by the government of one. 1063 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 2: Poll, it's partly funded. There's so many of these companies 1064 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 2: that just get lots of money from the government. And 1065 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 2: even the topic of I don't know if we discussed 1066 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 2: this in the last episode, but the topic of Norway. 1067 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 2: Everyone uses Norway as this you know, wow, it's the 1068 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 2: amazing Fountain of Youth style thing. And last month they 1069 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,760 Speaker 2: had something like ninety seven percent of new car sales 1070 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 2: in Norway were electric vehicles, and they're all like, great, 1071 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 2: this is where we want to be. What they didn't 1072 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 2: mention is that Norway has something like four billion US 1073 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 2: dollars a year in government incentives for residents to buy 1074 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 2: these electric cars, and internal combustion cars are something like 1075 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 2: twenty to thirty thousand dollars more expensive comparatively to an 1076 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,280 Speaker 2: electric car after the discounts. Car market is also tiny 1077 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 2: compared to Australia, So when you add all this stuff up, 1078 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 2: it's like, well, you're spending four billion dollars a year 1079 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 2: to get people into these cars, and the charging and 1080 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. You just look at that 1081 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 2: money and you're like, could that have been better spent 1082 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 2: on something else. I don't know what hospitals are like 1083 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 2: in Norway, but they're pretty shit over here. 1084 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 3: The prisons apparently about you just get salient. 1085 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 2: It's some big blonde hole comes through as your body guard. 1086 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think you look at the volume 1087 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 2: of money we're spending on this at the moment, and 1088 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 2: there is just so much stuff that we could be 1089 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 2: doing as well instead of helping effectively wealthy people buy cars. 1090 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean coming back to China and cars, and that's 1091 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 3: that's the really interesting thing that's going on overseas, is 1092 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 3: these like tariffs on evs. You know, if Trump gets in, 1093 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 3: it sounds like he's not going to be easy to 1094 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 3: sell a Chinese car in America. And if you look 1095 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 3: at the EU, you know they've got some pretty steep 1096 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 3: penalties on things like MG. You know, only a couple 1097 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 3: of weeks ago, Volkswagen was was basically playing a game 1098 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 3: of chicken with the European governments to say we're going 1099 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 3: to shut down the factories and things, which is it's 1100 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 3: just not viable for us to build cars here anymore 1101 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 3: at the moment unless unless things change, and that's you know, 1102 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 3: that's they're basically doing what Holden did with Joe Hockey 1103 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 3: like ten years ago, where they're saying, this is the 1104 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 3: numbers just aren't stacking up, We're going to have to 1105 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 3: shut the factory. And Hockey was like, you know, sto 1106 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 3: that lights up the cigar and they're like, go on, yeah, somehow. 1107 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 3: I mean. But Volkswagen is a different thing over there 1108 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 3: because it's partially owned by a lot of the state 1109 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 3: of Saxony or something like that, and then and it's 1110 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 3: just there's so much pride in their industry and auto 1111 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 3: barns and you know, motorsport and all the culture that 1112 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 3: they've got there. It's just a different thing. 1113 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 2: It's an interesting time, yeah, I mean, it's everything is 1114 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 2: changing at the moment, and it's I don't know what 1115 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 2: all this is going to look like in five or 1116 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 2: ten years. It'll be it'll be bloody fascinating. 1117 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: I think, getting back to just really quickly your your 1118 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: prediction of Chinese cars for say next year, I think 1119 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: there is a bit of positivity about brands that are 1120 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: coming in, like it will be very much sink or swim, 1121 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: like you said, But I think to give consumers a 1122 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: lot of choice. It's only going to get competitive in 1123 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: terms of price. It's putting families in car. I don't 1124 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: know if it's just me, but I feel like cars 1125 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: a new cars, would you say, more affordable now than 1126 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: they ever were? Family cars or more expensive? 1127 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 3: It's moved around. I think the sweet spot was a 1128 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 3: little while ago. Like I remember in twenty eighteen twenty 1129 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 3: nineteen doing reviews of stuff like a like a base 1130 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 3: model Yaris or a VW Polo. There was a VW 1131 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 3: Polo I think it was called The Street or something 1132 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 3: like that was sixteen grand drive away and at the 1133 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 3: time you could get a Yarras through about that as well. 1134 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,320 Speaker 3: That was roughly where the market was for a light car. Today, 1135 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 3: Yaris starts at about thirty four drive away because it's 1136 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,240 Speaker 3: hybrid only, and Polo's like close to forty. 1137 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: It's Polo's close to forty. 1138 00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 3: The tech has just had to ramp things up, so 1139 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 3: part it's car companies wanted to do more profitable stuff. 1140 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 3: They've they've basically they've looked at the market in Australia 1141 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 3: as compared to overseas. I talked to a car company 1142 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 3: MD about this this week, and I don't really want 1143 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 3: to say who it was because it was a bit 1144 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 3: of a background conversation, but he was basically saying that 1145 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 3: companies like Toyota have looked at what's gone on overseas 1146 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 3: where you can charge like thirty percent more for what 1147 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,439 Speaker 3: they're paying here, and then five years ago they would 1148 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 3: have said, no, this is a mugs game. Why are 1149 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 3: we doing this, Why are we in this race to 1150 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 3: the bottom. Let's let's let's piss off the base model 1151 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 3: cars that not a lot of people are buying. Let's 1152 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 3: go hybrid everything. We'll make more money per car and 1153 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 3: sell fewer of them. Doesn't always work there, I mean 1154 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 3: Ford Australia tried that on around Focus and things like that, 1155 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,320 Speaker 3: and it just, yeah, just fell over. I mean, Honda's 1156 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 3: here still, but Ford of just you know, they've cut 1157 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 3: and cut and cutt and now that's just like they've 1158 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 3: only got three cars. 1159 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: Basically, it was it Perga or we're talking in a 1160 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 1: couple of episodes Citron that just completely dropped like the 1161 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,399 Speaker 1: price of. 1162 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 2: Their cargo for like twenty grand or something like that, 1163 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 2: and you kind of think, fuck, how much how much 1164 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 2: money are these guys making? Off per car at least 1165 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 2: twenty grand at least I mean that is I mean 1166 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 2: that is such a I get why they've done it, 1167 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 2: but it's such a bad move because it really shows 1168 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 2: your hand. No customer looks at that and goes, oh great, 1169 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 2: I'm getting a good deal. I look at that and go, 1170 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 2: holy fuck, how much money have. 1171 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 3: You sp I mean they need to you look at 1172 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,959 Speaker 3: Citra and they were selling one car per dealer every 1173 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,479 Speaker 3: ninety days. Yeah, if you weren't making like thirty grand 1174 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 3: on a car, Pergo. 1175 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: Like come across as quite a well made, put together, 1176 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: sort of quality car. But fuck they're expensive, you know 1177 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. Alpha's a little bit the same. It's 1178 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: sort of like. 1179 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I have a Reno. 1180 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 3: I don't mind the French car thing. Necessarily, I'm immune 1181 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 3: to Pergo's charm for whatever reason. Maybe it's because the 1182 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 3: steering wheel sits on my knees. Maybe it's because they 1183 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 3: all have a one point six letter engine. Maybe it's 1184 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 3: because they charged ninety grand for a you know, a 1185 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,439 Speaker 3: little less u of ething. It doesn't doesn't really work 1186 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 3: for me, I mean objectively, and see what's going on. 1187 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,399 Speaker 3: But subjectively, it's not mine. 1188 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So if you're listening to this, so 1189 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 2: that's me eating corn chips. I've been as discreet as 1190 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 2: I can. 1191 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1192 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 2: Sure, if you're listening to this, still, thank you contact 1193 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 2: at the Drivers Show dot com today you let us 1194 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 2: know what you think about all this stuff. It's been 1195 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 2: quite a quite a sort of interesting chat. Now you 1196 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 2: mentioned before you've got a story going live about subscriptions. 1197 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 2: Where can people see that and give us a bit 1198 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 2: more sort of detail on that. 1199 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so they can see it in a lot 1200 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 3: of places. That's that's the thing about news courts, it's 1201 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 3: really now well news dot com is kind of the focus. 1202 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 3: The way that we've been structured within the business is 1203 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 3: that car stories shouldn't behind a paywall. They should be 1204 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 3: out there for free and access everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that 1205 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 3: was that was a tough self for a while. They're 1206 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 3: going to toy to Camera launch with forty other people 1207 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 3: and mine's behind the paywall and others aren't. 1208 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,720 Speaker 2: Just wait till you read what I have to say. 1209 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 2: It's very different. 1210 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 3: Now so new news dot com that made my butt. Also, Yeah, 1211 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,360 Speaker 3: you can find us on all our mastheads, you know, 1212 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 3: daily Telegraph, Herold's Sun Career mail. Even things like the 1213 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 3: Too Woman Chronicle and the towns. 1214 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: Were bought in my favorite newspaper. 1215 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you like the horoscopes in that one, it's pretty 1216 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 3: good now, thank you, and the dating site on that. 1217 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 3: But I find I think it's a really interesting idea, 1218 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 3: this idea of subscribing to different features in cars, like 1219 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,839 Speaker 3: Mercedes will charge you nearly six hundred bucks a year 1220 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 3: to look at the weather, but also to transmit digital 1221 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 3: keys to your friends and things like that, which I 1222 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,319 Speaker 3: like that, which are Yeah, that is that is a 1223 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 3: cool feature. You know BMW have got card games in 1224 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 3: cars now I saw that. Yeah, And this is the 1225 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 3: sort of stuff that I'm trying to do, just taking 1226 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 3: taking a bit of a step back. I mean you're 1227 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 3: asking before about what I do as a motoring journalist. 1228 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 3: I don't do and cars one hundred percent. That's that's 1229 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 3: that's the sort of stuff that we're that we're looking at, 1230 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 3: Like I'm not trying to tell you about, you know, 1231 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 3: the tread shuffle or the Jounts tuning or something. And 1232 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,280 Speaker 3: I have read those words and I still don't really 1233 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 3: understand them. I've seen this before. 1234 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,319 Speaker 1: How long have you been reading car Exit? 1235 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,839 Speaker 3: But no, it's it's like it's a broad mass market thing. 1236 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 3: Like the other day I was I was editing a 1237 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,800 Speaker 3: video from one of our one of our great contributors, 1238 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 3: and he was talking about the battery chemistry insider inside 1239 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 3: a really fast TV and I just want to ring 1240 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,359 Speaker 3: him up and just smack his head against the desk. No, no, no, 1241 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 3: you've lost them, You've lost us. Just tell us, tell 1242 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 3: us you know, how's the car make you feel? What's 1243 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 3: what's what's new about this? And that's and that's part 1244 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 3: of part of my job is that I have to 1245 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 3: go into meetings with people that edit like mass mass 1246 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 3: media stuff right Daily Telegraph, News dot Com and things 1247 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 3: like that, and try and convince them why a story 1248 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 3: should be should be worth knocking things off. I mean, 1249 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,839 Speaker 3: the other day we had a we had a really 1250 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 3: great run with a video of the new Zeka electric 1251 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 3: car and it was the third highest rated video on 1252 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 3: the site against Raygun and behind the scenes behind the 1253 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 3: scenes thing on the Olympic Village basically what they get 1254 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 3: up to behind closed doors. It was was the pitch 1255 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,399 Speaker 3: something like that, and and to be that's that's that's 1256 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 3: the thing practice. That's the that's that's I mean, the 1257 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 3: way that I'm approaching this job is to not necessarily 1258 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 3: look at look at car expert Cartole's cast guide as 1259 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 3: as rivals. I'm looking at the you know, the Olympics, 1260 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 3: the you know, the Bachelor, whatever's going on out there. 1261 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 3: That's that's that's what I'm going to know. Trying to 1262 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 3: take down like the maps, right, that's a hard thing sometimes. 1263 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we need like a ray gun 1264 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: in a dat Son. 1265 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, very wow, what is. 1266 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,839 Speaker 3: The raygun of cars? That's it? That's that is good. 1267 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:39,319 Speaker 1: I know, stop do those dances to me again? Yeah, 1268 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,240 Speaker 1: that is a good question. 1269 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to think about that one, because 1270 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 2: there is there is definitely something out there for that. 1271 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,320 Speaker 2: There's probably multiple things. 1272 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 1: If she was selling a car, should be just sort 1273 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: of in front of the car doing the bunny hop. 1274 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: Those dance moves kind of looked like me paralletic at 1275 00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:58,960 Speaker 1: the Melbourne carp. 1276 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like Leo crawling up to the Lamborghini. 1277 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1278 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's me doing the Melbourne Cup poll a side shuffle, 1279 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,959 Speaker 1: trying to find my own fucking betting ticket and also 1280 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 1: make quell ludes. I don't even know how to pronounce it. 1281 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 3: I've definitely done some raygun moves in my car, like 1282 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, like a you know previous Jen McGann rs. 1283 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,279 Speaker 3: To turn on the cruise control, you have to turn 1284 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,439 Speaker 3: off the sports mode, which is down by your right knee, 1285 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 3: and then you have to activate cruise control, which is 1286 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 3: down past your middle right where the seat belts are. 1287 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 3: And then to use the cruise control, you're looking at 1288 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 3: a steering wheel that has buttons on it that make 1289 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,799 Speaker 3: no sense compared to any other cart. There's an art, 1290 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 3: there's an O what do those do? 1291 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: And it almost could be an app that you pay 1292 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: for one of these cars, But it's like twister like 1293 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 1: left hand. 1294 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like that, Like I get into my 1295 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 3: own car and I need Google lens to be able 1296 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 3: to understand what's going on in front of me. 1297 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: We do have some questions from the people before you go. 1298 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,360 Speaker 1: This is e Envy seventy nine. Here we go, quick opinion. 1299 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,440 Speaker 1: Don't want to sound like a wanker with this question. 1300 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 3: My wife has. 1301 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: It's a current range Rover Sport with thirty three thousand 1302 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: k's and the brakes shudder. I don't know if I 1303 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,640 Speaker 1: can say this stealership, I won't do that. That's below me. 1304 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,359 Speaker 1: Barrack rangerover definitely it was not. Then Barrack range Rover 1305 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: says it's normal. I don't know anyone with a similar car. 1306 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 1: I can't ask the forums because it will just open 1307 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: up a can of whams. What's your opinion? 1308 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,680 Speaker 2: Can I just say, whenever you get told it's normal 1309 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 2: or characteristic by a dealer, take a car off their 1310 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 2: showroom floor that is the same. It could be hard 1311 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,320 Speaker 2: with you if this is an older car and take 1312 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 2: it for a test drive. If that car doesn't shudder, 1313 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 2: because that's not normal, I would be. And you take 1314 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 2: the salesman with you and you say, show me it's shuttering. 1315 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 2: That sounds like it's it needs machine roaders to me, 1316 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 2: But I don't know. What do you reckon? 1317 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 3: Sounds like a good chance for a cove and stremming breakup. No, no, no, 1318 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 3: it does. It does sound like machine roaders and all 1319 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. Maybe give it the Italian tune 1320 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 3: up that helps it all? 1321 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 1: What else have we got here? Just for Dave? Are 1322 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 1: you ready for this? This is and I'm not kidding, 1323 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: this is a legit question, Dave, can you explain why 1324 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,640 Speaker 1: you have lowered yourself to the extent that you have 1325 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: come on this show that is by Trevor fucking Life. 1326 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you've always got to have a first time somewhere, 1327 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 3: don't you. Yeah, this is my first podcast appearance of anywhere, 1328 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,919 Speaker 3: because really, yeah, I've done I've done stacks of radio. 1329 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 3: I was doing radio stuff today, plenty of TV and 1330 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 3: various other things. But no, none of my. 1331 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 2: Only be uphill from here. 1332 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 1: Actually I do have one quick question, one of my own, 1333 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 1: but let's like talk to the table about this one. 1334 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: The super outback. I waved it goodbye. I waved it goodbye. 1335 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: I played some Katie Lang what a Wonderful World, and 1336 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,920 Speaker 1: I waved it goodbye. And I was I was a 1337 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: little bit worried about this because we'll talk about price 1338 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: in a second. I was a bit worried about this 1339 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,160 Speaker 1: because I'm like, fuck, he's going to find something wrong 1340 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: with it, and he's going to come back into the 1341 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 1: house and it's going to be all over for me. 1342 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, he's sitting in my driveway for so. 1343 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 1: Long, and I was shooting myself. I'm my please, I'm 1344 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,920 Speaker 1: so fucking happy with this price. Please just go, just go, 1345 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 1: just go. I'm looking out the window. Fuck, he's still there. 1346 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,959 Speaker 1: He's still there. And then I said to my wife, Fuck, 1347 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: he's coming back in. I knew it. I knew, I 1348 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: knew it. Fuck, he's coming back in. He's sort of like, 1349 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm opening the door high you left your Missy Higgins CD. No, 1350 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: but I did leave some stuff in the car. And 1351 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: but okay, so here's the thing that car I bought 1352 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: for well, at the time, it was brand new retail 1353 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,920 Speaker 1: for fifty six I did get a deal from Subaru. 1354 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: So in all transparency, I got that for fifty grand, right, 1355 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: so on the. 1356 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 2: Road, yep, okay. 1357 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: So oh and I remember the dealer going, hey, bro, 1358 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,919 Speaker 1: keep this for two years. You'll be able to sell 1359 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: this for fifty two grand. They hold their value really well, 1360 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: you'll be fine with this. And I was kind of 1361 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: like sold on that. I'm like, yeah, fuck it, yeah, 1362 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,280 Speaker 1: I'll do this. I'll do a responsible thing for my 1363 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: family and buy a fucking family car. I won't worry 1364 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: about the fact that this is all we'll drive and 1365 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: choose up the field, no worries. Less than twelve months 1366 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 1: later that dealer offered me, how much do you reckon? 1367 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Forty eight oh, thirty nine thousand dollars? So close thirty 1368 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,840 Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars, And you said to me, He's like, 1369 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: why would you sell it privately? Just take one of 1370 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,920 Speaker 1: these companies that will pick you up and it picks 1371 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,640 Speaker 1: it up in a truck and you don't have to 1372 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: worry about it. I got three inquiries on this car. 1373 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah within five days. Oh that's car sold 1374 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: in five days. I've got three inquiries. The first guy 1375 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: was keen asking price and all we didn't budge on 1376 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: the price. And then surely, like the day before, Hey mate, 1377 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,240 Speaker 1: you're coming tomorrow, he bailed out. He found something else. Okay, fine, 1378 01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the worst Yeah, second guy came in, didn't haggle on price, 1379 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,800 Speaker 1: bought it straight away. So that was good. 1380 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 2: And was it a dealer or just a private private buyer? 1381 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,440 Speaker 1: And the interesting thing was really nice guy. He just 1382 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: went from owning an outback for like fifteen years, done 1383 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,120 Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty thousand kilometers, so he drove it 1384 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,400 Speaker 1: and you just wanted something again. So that was four 1385 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 1: forty nine thousand dollars. 1386 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty good. 1387 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm genuinely surprised by Yeah, yeah, an honest dealer. 1388 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,800 Speaker 3: I mean normally, if a dealer asked me to hang 1389 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 3: on to something for two minutes, I wouldn't trust him. 1390 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's the thing. Actually, I'm the worst with this 1391 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 1: because I got my wife to sell it for me. 1392 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she just like she she's just like 1393 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 1: put on that kind of stoic Asian wife. No, no, 1394 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,920 Speaker 1: we're not budgeting on price. And it was and that's 1395 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: how it went down. But there was one there was 1396 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: one third inquiry from a woman trying to pick up 1397 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 1: my wife. What yes, what do you mean? Car sales 1398 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 1: message was like, Hi, were you the the hot woman 1399 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 1: getting out of the I think I saw this car yesterday? 1400 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Were you on such and such row? Were you the 1401 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: hot woman? An old woman? Oh blah blah blah blah blah. 1402 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 2: Was it her? 1403 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 1: No, she's not hot. 1404 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 2: You are lucky she doesn't listen. 1405 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: To this nobody. 1406 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,720 Speaker 3: Dad, Dad, It's like, remember missed connections in MX magazine, 1407 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 3: way back in the magazine. You've gone from there to 1408 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,480 Speaker 3: the DMS. Sliding into the DMS in castles is a 1409 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 3: pretty special. Yes, I know a few people have been 1410 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,640 Speaker 3: screwed on castoles with most of the journalists. 1411 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah so so, yeah, I have to ask. I'm thinking, like, 1412 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: what is for eighty thousand dollars? That's what how much 1413 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 1: I want to spend on the family car? What do 1414 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: you reckon? You your secondhand? I'd be care how much? 1415 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,000 Speaker 1: How about eighty grand? She is a genesis? 1416 01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,400 Speaker 3: I mean you might get an next demo Ironic five. 1417 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,640 Speaker 3: Then if you play your car like I wish. 1418 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 2: Fun family car, Yeah, well, what are the pre requisites? 1419 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 1: I think it's got to have a little bit of 1420 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: it's going to have a fun factor about it, a 1421 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:17,760 Speaker 1: little bit of cred no dag, and ideally not have 1422 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: an average fuel consumption of thirteen liters per one hundred kilometers. 1423 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Don't get a Ranger wraptor Yeah, I mean how much 1424 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,600 Speaker 1: is your wrap to doing? By the way? Yeah really? Okay? 1425 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 3: What about what about it? 1426 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 1: What about the wild track? How much would be? 1427 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,320 Speaker 2: Six days? Okay, there's ten ish driving. 1428 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Golf ours are pretty good, dance all sorts of things, 1429 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 3: isn't it if you like if you like driving, you know, 1430 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 3: they do the family thing, they've playing all that sort 1431 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,080 Speaker 3: of stuff. Yeah, yeah, you find one of those that's 1432 01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 3: a that's a good gadget. And there's an updated model 1433 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,320 Speaker 3: coming very shortly, so that would put a bit of 1434 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,840 Speaker 3: pressure on existing stock if there is any. 1435 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,439 Speaker 1: And that's a fun commuter m Yeah, not bad but. 1436 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,919 Speaker 3: Also but not too much brain damage as well from 1437 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,160 Speaker 3: dealing with the driver aids and all that sort of stuff. 1438 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 2: And should hold its value. If I put my dealer 1439 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,960 Speaker 2: hat on, Yeah, put your dealer hat on. You'll get 1440 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 2: eighty for it easy in two years. 1441 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, tirely. 1442 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 3: Well, then you can do the thinking men's go far, 1443 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 3: just like the Cooper sort of stuff I found, like 1444 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 3: a Volkswagen spokesperson. Yeah, some of those things basically because 1445 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 3: no one really knows what they are. I can imagine 1446 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,920 Speaker 3: you could the demo deals on like a Leon VSX 1447 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,320 Speaker 3: and that sort of stuff should be pretty good. 1448 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Maybe I can get a press car for a cool 1449 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,040 Speaker 1: pro I should. I should contact them. 1450 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,200 Speaker 3: They're well looked after some of these things. 1451 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Good luck. Yeah, I'm sure they'll. I'm sure they'll respond 1452 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,960 Speaker 1: to them to my emails. 1453 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 2: That would be so funny. Actually quite desperate to sell them, 1454 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,320 Speaker 2: so maybe they will make it. 1455 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 1: Well. Thank you for thanks for joining us. Appreciate you 1456 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,120 Speaker 1: dropping by and. 1457 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,920 Speaker 2: People find you on the socials. If they're on the 1458 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,440 Speaker 2: toccer's where can they what do they search for? 1459 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:56,160 Speaker 1: What would you call it? 1460 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 2: The tockers. That's just the TikTok Club. 1461 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,800 Speaker 3: I'm Dave McCowan on most things, Dave mcwn or yeah, 1462 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,480 Speaker 3: Dave motoring on TikTok because there's another Dave McCowan out 1463 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,480 Speaker 3: there somewhere, but at least I've got a fairly generic name. 1464 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 3: I don't have to put like number eleven or underscore 1465 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,080 Speaker 3: tag whatever. 1466 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 2: Two hundred and eighty six. 1467 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and highly recommend checking out day's content man, because 1468 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,240 Speaker 1: what you're putting out is really cool. 1469 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,640 Speaker 3: Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I actually do give a 1470 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 3: shit and try to do good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, there's 1471 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 3: always there's always something. 1472 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,440 Speaker 2: Coming long, Yeah, nice, excellent. Well yeah, if you've got 1473 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,360 Speaker 2: any questions for Dave, contact at the Drivers Show dot 1474 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,640 Speaker 2: com today you will see we can get them back 1475 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,360 Speaker 2: on again. And if you haven't done so already, because 1476 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are some of you. If you are 1477 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 2: listening to this, go to your podcasting platform, give us 1478 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,000 Speaker 2: a rating on there, preferably not another one star rating 1479 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,640 Speaker 2: about forty. Just picture me when you're doing the radio. 1480 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,920 Speaker 1: I would, I would urge you to tell any Paul's 1481 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,760 Speaker 1: big in the milk department, so that's where it is charged. 1482 01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 1: That's yeah, ladies, take a ticket on wait in line 1483 01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: number forty two. Your meal is. 1484 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,400 Speaker 3: He's big in the Middle East as well. Just quietly 1485 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 3: when we're at a patrol event and there's like eight 1486 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 3: hundred and four by four fans there, most of them 1487 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 3: have seen the Car Expert video War two. 1488 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dilfs, Yes, Middle East, what a place. 1489 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: You're the new supercar Blondie Ye can ladies and gentlemen, 1490 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,280 Speaker 1: Supercar Pavla. 1491 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,520 Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah, thank you for listening, and yeah, 1492 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,720 Speaker 2: please do leave us rating and yeah Jinn for the 1493 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 2: next show.