WEBVTT - Marty Fox - THE BLOCK - TV Judge

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast Past Deep the Mine and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back guys to TV Reload. As you may know, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to

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<v Speaker 1>or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. On today's pot,

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<v Speaker 1>I have Marty Fox, the new Judge of the Block

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three Australia will sadly see long standing judge

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<v Speaker 1>Near leave this series this Sunday nine, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>get introduced to White Fox, real estate agent and CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of Marty Fox, who will join SHANEA. Blaze and Darren

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<v Speaker 1>Palmer as they critique the scores of this year's houses.

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<v Speaker 1>The Block is a huge show for Channel nine and

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<v Speaker 1>this series is one of the best series in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of contestants. So how will Marty Fox go and what

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a judge will he be? Well, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to get an exclusive look at Marty Fox

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<v Speaker 1>today and you'll get an idea as to how that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go down. This season of The Block is

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<v Speaker 1>set in a family friendly Melbourne suburb of Hampton East.

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<v Speaker 1>The new series features five houses designed and build in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties and located on the applely named Charming Street.

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<v Speaker 1>I will talk to Marty about his addition to the

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<v Speaker 1>show and what preparation he put into joining the series.

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<v Speaker 1>We will find out what Scotti Cam said to Marty

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<v Speaker 1>as he joined the show and how that affected his

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<v Speaker 1>time on camera. Marty will share his thoughts on Shana

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<v Speaker 1>Blaze and Darren Palmer as he sizes up his new

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<v Speaker 1>work colleagues. Plus, we will get plenty of exclusives from

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes of the Block, which will premiere this

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night, the sixth Jolyfe at seven thirty on Channel

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<v Speaker 1>nine and you will be able to catch up on

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<v Speaker 1>nine now if you fall a little bit behind. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring Marty into the PO podcast and guys, I

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<v Speaker 1>really hope you enjoy this fascinating look at the new

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<v Speaker 1>series of the Block twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Ben, Hey buddy, how are you. I'm good as

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<v Speaker 2>your morning been. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to be talking to you because I do

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. When I'm about to put someone on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I then do as much research as I can find

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<v Speaker 1>about someone, and I become a little bit obsessed with them.

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<v Speaker 1>So then by the time they get on the public

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<v Speaker 1>by the time they're on the podcast, I feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little strange.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I what have you been digging up? Mate? Everything?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only joking. I've just been watching a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of your moments as well in the first

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks, which Australian audiences are about to see. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you excited to be on this show and to see

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<v Speaker 1>how audiences are going to respond to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, I think you know, coming from running a

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<v Speaker 2>business where you're in charge of obviously all your creative

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<v Speaker 2>and editing and direction, it's a very different experience to

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<v Speaker 2>just potentially do what you do or perform however you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it, and then just sort of sit

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<v Speaker 2>back and have faith that what you've what you've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to put out resonate. So it's a very different experience.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a mix of emotions. It's you know, excitement,

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<v Speaker 2>anxiousness all sort of wrapped into one. It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's an exciting job to get. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be quite a coveted role to try and pick

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<v Speaker 1>up on a show like this. It's one of well

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<v Speaker 1>it is Channel Line's biggest show of the year. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>audience has met you. And I think it was Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Harry and Tash's Brighton Property?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that was maybe twenty twenty or twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one around then now twenty twenty, I think Harry

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<v Speaker 2>in Tash or twenty one. Can't remember that. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the Brighton one. And it was a very funny time

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<v Speaker 2>in real estate. It was an essential service. You weren't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to open for inspections. You had social distancing and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very very hard time to actually engage

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<v Speaker 2>and connect with buyers and vendors and auction property. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was quite surreal, but it was an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing experience at third hand, get behind the scenes and

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<v Speaker 2>see how the block really worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, so you'd been on the show before, so

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of had some idea of, you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>it was all going to go what it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to look like. But did you think back then that

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<v Speaker 1>you would get tapped on the shoulder and be asked

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<v Speaker 1>to come back as a judge and to be in

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of role.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Look, I don't think it was something that I

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<v Speaker 2>thought would happen, But I think with anything, particularly with

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<v Speaker 2>how my life has panned out and how I hope

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<v Speaker 2>it will continue to any opportunity that I get, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>just give it one hundred percent, and I care, and

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<v Speaker 2>I work hard, and I make sure I understand the

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<v Speaker 2>subject matter. And when you are an expert in a field,

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<v Speaker 2>things come your way. And it was probably just quite

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<v Speaker 2>natural how it all panned out, being tapped on the

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<v Speaker 2>shoulder and being asked to partake in a show that

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<v Speaker 2>a show that I've watched so many years, that the

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<v Speaker 2>judges have been doing it for so long. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>honest to actually be tapped on the shoulder and be

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. It's a really cool experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel like when I was watching your

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<v Speaker 1>introduction with Scotty Cam introducing you and we get this

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<v Speaker 1>little clip of you, I was like, you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>are what I think what a lot of Australian men

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<v Speaker 1>would like to be. You've got the nice car, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a handsome man, you're well spoken, you're very intelligent, You're

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things. Has that been sensationalized in a

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<v Speaker 1>way for television or is this just really who you are?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I mean I don't really try and be anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I was raised by pretty young parents that were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come from much or I always had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of love. I've always been much been the same ever

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<v Speaker 2>since I being a young kid, always worked hard, always tried.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, with those things that you mentioned, also

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<v Speaker 2>comes eyeballs and bullying and things that you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>most kids shouldn't have to go through it. So I

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<v Speaker 2>had a pretty simultuous upbringing as a kid and seven

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<v Speaker 2>different schools, multiple countries, you know it. It wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>normal type of upbringing, lived in so many different homes,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was just one of those things. I've just

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<v Speaker 2>always been true to myself and always been a very

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<v Speaker 2>very family orientated person, which is probably why I've got

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<v Speaker 2>three kids now at thirty six. But I really don't change,

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<v Speaker 2>and coming on to the show, I knew that it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that's out of my control. But what I can

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<v Speaker 2>control is my opinion and how I present and how

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<v Speaker 2>I can help these contestants feel better homes, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>I just stay true for that, which was just being me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting, isn't it When you think about growing

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<v Speaker 1>up and those really hard times in your life and

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<v Speaker 1>you think, God, you know, this is awful. However, when

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<v Speaker 1>you get to where you are now and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is as well as an adult, I look

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<v Speaker 1>back and I think, had I not have had those experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have worked out that coping mechanism and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that allows you to have empathy for other

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<v Speaker 1>people and have understanding. You know, you look back and

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<v Speaker 1>you think, well, I guess it's kind of a part

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<v Speaker 1>of my journey and I'm proud of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And also builds and you've said that so well, but

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you dry. It gives you that purpose to portion,

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<v Speaker 2>to challenge yourself and to really understand that at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, if it's meant to be, it's

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<v Speaker 2>up to me, and it's up to you as the

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<v Speaker 2>individual to control your own mind and to push forward

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<v Speaker 2>and to really just be true to yourself. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that if you do that, everything else will

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>I also really love Neil and I think the judges

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<v Speaker 1>have been great on the show. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>had been fans looking for a different perspective, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you will definitely bring a unique perspective to this

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<v Speaker 1>series being a real estate agent. I think the show

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<v Speaker 1>started originally with one judge being a real estate agent.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think that you will add to that dynamic?

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<v Speaker 1>Considering that Neil steped out to this season and you've

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<v Speaker 1>come in, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just think it's more along the lines of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for fifteen years, every single day it was meeting by

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to sellers, getting homes prepared to sell that will

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<v Speaker 2>have the biggest appeal in the marketplace, to drive the

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<v Speaker 2>highest sale rust, to bring the competition, all of those things,

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<v Speaker 2>and then outside of work, it was all the renovating

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<v Speaker 2>and slipping that Charlton and myself had done over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, in ten years to near fifteen renovations

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<v Speaker 2>is just absurd and their real life situations. When you

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<v Speaker 2>buy and sell property in a city like Melbourne, the

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<v Speaker 2>losses or the games can really make or break you.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you stream so many together that have been successful,

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<v Speaker 2>you build credibility and then the customers come to you

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<v Speaker 2>and it's those sorts of experiences that build that knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>of what a buyer really wants. And I think bringing

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<v Speaker 2>that perspective and also bringing my fair but firm personality

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<v Speaker 2>to the table is something that I think hopefully the

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<v Speaker 2>contestants took something away from and it's helped them along

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<v Speaker 2>that journey. As a judge meant to judge, you're meant

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<v Speaker 2>to give your opinion, whether that be good or bad,

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<v Speaker 2>to hopefully help those people on their journey. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing personal, all about value and if they get value

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<v Speaker 2>amazing If they take it personally, I'm sure by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of it, so they'll see that the messaging was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear and pretty honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you a little bit about some

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<v Speaker 1>of that in a second, But I also was curious

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<v Speaker 1>to know when you get a phone call like this

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<v Speaker 1>asking to be on a reality TV show like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you would have some serious conversations with producers. What

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<v Speaker 1>sort of questions did you have, Like, did you have

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<v Speaker 1>questions that you wanted to bring to the table about

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<v Speaker 1>how it was all going to work? Or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to have been a fly on the

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<v Speaker 1>wall for that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, there's one conversation that sort of really there's actually

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<v Speaker 2>two conversations that have burned in my memory bank, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of them was at the very start, I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to see Scotty, who I've watched for so many years,

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<v Speaker 2>and looked up to him and I just said, Scotty,

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<v Speaker 2>can you give me some advice? And he just told

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<v Speaker 2>me a sign and he said, Marty, how old are you?

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<v Speaker 2>And when we started filming, I was thirty five And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, mat, I'm thirty five. Why And he said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been practicing this for thirty five years. I said

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean by that? He said, just be

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Fox and then he walked off and it made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel really comfortable, and I thought that was just

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<v Speaker 2>some awesome advice, just the words of wisdom from slotting.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the next one was just how authentic, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of unproduced the judging is in terms of when I

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<v Speaker 2>went to that first room and I walked over with

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<v Speaker 2>Darren and Shana, and you know, we were just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of getting to know each other. This is literally in

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<v Speaker 2>the first half an hour of being on set. And

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at Sarreen, I looked at you and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>so who's going to go first? And they both just

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<v Speaker 2>shrugged their shoulders and it was just like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really organic. It's off cut. It's totally off cuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is what I've loved about it. The trust

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<v Speaker 2>that the executive producers put into the crew and the

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<v Speaker 2>judges and the hosts and everyone. It's quite unique. It

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<v Speaker 2>really is reality.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. You know, I do a lot of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about a lot of TV shows, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reality, and I get to meet a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the producers. And when you go on a set tool

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<v Speaker 1>like I did when I met you just the other week,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a really good glimpse as to how the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic is working. And that happens across a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these shows that I've worked on and covered. And the

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<v Speaker 1>block is at the top of the list, well around

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the list. Just in case any of

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<v Speaker 1>these other producers are listening. But it's definitely around the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the list of shows that has a really

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<v Speaker 1>good vibe during the filming. It's the producers are all

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<v Speaker 1>quite succinct. I don't know, did you feel quite comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>just fitting yourself into that environment when you got there.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I think it's because of how long the team

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<v Speaker 2>has been together. You know, you've got body in shower

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<v Speaker 2>that have got an amazing synergy, You've got the judges

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<v Speaker 2>that have worked together for so long. The uniqueness in

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it's a reality TV show that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>just have one winner. So like if you think of

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<v Speaker 2>a dating show or a competitional art survivor or any

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<v Speaker 2>of these other types of shows, there's one winner. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what this show gives you is this show gives you

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity. Nothing is granted, nothing's given on a platter,

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<v Speaker 2>but you were given this opportunity to have ten winners.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got everyone on set filming week in, week out,

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<v Speaker 2>day by day that has the opportunity to be a winner.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what draws this energy. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>draws that amazing energy. It's the time that people have

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<v Speaker 2>spent with each other on set over the season and

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<v Speaker 2>then for each season, the fact that you can actually

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<v Speaker 2>have ten people walk away as winners. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>there's another reality show that has that level of contribution

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<v Speaker 2>to people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>It is interesting because you think about how successful this

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<v Speaker 1>show is and how we've had this on our screens

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<v Speaker 1>now for twenty years. There isn't a format that's like this, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're saying, you know, there are things that are

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<v Speaker 1>making an appointment television. Yes, we have the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone, you know, everyone does have the chance to win,

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<v Speaker 1>but also no one knows how this show is going

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<v Speaker 1>to end. All of this leading up to the auction,

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<v Speaker 1>even the people working on this show have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>how this is going to go, and that's making this

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<v Speaker 1>show so vibrant still twenty years. You'd be surprised why

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<v Speaker 1>other shows haven't tried to follow a very similar kind

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<v Speaker 1>of idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Ran Yeah, well, I think it's because the actual subject

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<v Speaker 2>matter is so intriguing, you know. So it's like sports,

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<v Speaker 2>it's competitive, it's team orientated, it can fluctuate week by week.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just have a clear front runner because it

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't just doesn't pan out that way. There's too

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<v Speaker 2>many variables and so many decisions that need to be

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<v Speaker 2>made in such a short amount of time under the

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<v Speaker 2>directive lack of sleep, and there's just so many things happening.

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<v Speaker 2>It almost can't be replicated. And it's probably why the

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<v Speaker 2>ingredients of this show have been able to circulate around

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<v Speaker 2>the world to other countries because it is so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to replicate. And it's probably why I'd say it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be up there with one of the most successful

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<v Speaker 2>TV shows in Australian TV history.

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<v Speaker 1>It is because and you know, I think it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to, you know, the producers aren't really aren't really

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<v Speaker 1>trying to influence or sensationalize anything. You know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>just what it is. What you're watching on screen is

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<v Speaker 1>how it goes. And I think that's really fastfully.

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<v Speaker 2>You bang on it. But this just the position of

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<v Speaker 2>an incredibly well preched do editing teams and then a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of situations that are incredibly unproduced and that's the magic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the combination of two that creates this incredible energy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. If you're giving people the chance

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<v Speaker 2>to be themselves and then you're pasting correctly. Your team's

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<v Speaker 2>been doing it long enough where they understand what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's magical' that's why you can put it down.

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<v Speaker 1>To We did discuss this a little bit before, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just was wanting to know when you get there

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<v Speaker 1>and you're thinking about what sort of a judge you

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be, did you try and think about

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<v Speaker 1>that or did you just think, Okay, Scott has told

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<v Speaker 1>me to turn up and just be myself. I just

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<v Speaker 1>have to be myself or did you have any other

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<v Speaker 1>influences as Oh, I'm going to be the not to

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<v Speaker 1>use Australian idol, which is different to this show. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be the nasty judge or I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the fair judge. I'm with the conversations within

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<v Speaker 1>yourself about how that was going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah. I would start the day I'd break you with

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<v Speaker 2>the kids I'd normally do it's in session. I'd drive

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<v Speaker 2>over to my mum's house and lives around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd have a cup of sea and with after about

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<v Speaker 2>how the really was that I'll be heading down to

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<v Speaker 2>Charming Streak to be a duds on the block. I

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<v Speaker 2>was in autopilot. I didn't want outside noise and I

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<v Speaker 2>figured if I tried to do something that was not

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Fox, then I would come on stuck. And I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that the Australian public is smart enough to know

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<v Speaker 2>when someone's being someone that they're not. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>run the gortlet of saying it as it is and

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<v Speaker 2>just being me, and it's either celebrated or it's not,

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<v Speaker 2>and whichever way it goes, I'm content with because I

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<v Speaker 2>was just being true.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really pleasantly surprised. I'm about two weeks into

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<v Speaker 1>watching the show, so for Australian audiences listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast now, I am a little bit ahead and I

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<v Speaker 1>can give people the confidence with you that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>they will be pleasantly surprised because you do come in hard,

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<v Speaker 1>but in a good way, very very likable. In watching

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<v Speaker 1>this show, I don't know how that lands with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a strange, strange thing for someone to be

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<v Speaker 1>giving that information back, but yeah, I was really impressed

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<v Speaker 1>with how hard you were, but also how that seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to work for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've confused people pretty much my whole life. From a distance,

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<v Speaker 2>they may have an opinion. They may see the cars

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<v Speaker 2>or the houses, or the success or whatever it might

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<v Speaker 2>be that throws their nose how to join it for

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<v Speaker 2>whichever reason. I don't know why. It must be their

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<v Speaker 2>own insecurity, But at the end of the day, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm consistent. I like to have fun. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of interests outside of real estate, outside of property,

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<v Speaker 2>outside of business. I really love people. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get into property. You don't get into property because

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<v Speaker 2>you love property. You get into property, particularly real estate,

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<v Speaker 2>because you love people. So I get energy from meeting

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<v Speaker 2>new people, understanding what people's lives are, where they want

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<v Speaker 2>to go, what they want to do. And that's also

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<v Speaker 2>why I love building a business. I like helping people

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<v Speaker 2>get better at their profession, which in turn gives them,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, a better life and hopefully financial freedom by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it. So you know, for me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite nice to hear that you know, you've heard some

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<v Speaker 2>harshness or directness, but at the same time, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind having a chat with me, and you probably want

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<v Speaker 2>to go get a copy. At some point, I was

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<v Speaker 2>really truous so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you were going to be the other day

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<v Speaker 1>that I turned up and I was excited to see

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<v Speaker 1>you and I and I had this moment I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you remember talking to me, but all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, I just got overwhelmed by the whole experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, this guy is just like he

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<v Speaker 1>is on television. It's kind of a little bit hard

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<v Speaker 1>to believe in some way, and I just all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden felt overwhelmed and just walked away from you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was in mid sentence. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. I had a brain Moun's function. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you watch people on television news.

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<v Speaker 2>Surely to Charlotte when I met her, and she really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like then. It took it took two or three days.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're ben gether eighteen years now, so it's worked

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<v Speaker 2>with her. But it's funny even if I think of

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<v Speaker 2>some of my best mates, but there was always like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple of weeks where they were unsure

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<v Speaker 2>and then bangs where we're on. So yeah, sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I can get read the wrong way. But by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it, people come around, which is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's been your influences though? That's what I was thinking, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching a bit of it, and I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this could a little bit of lux listening

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, Gavin or I don't know that there's

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<v Speaker 1>just so many I was thinking, is it your parents?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'd just love to know what your

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<v Speaker 1>influences are in terms of style and how you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, my influence really is, you know, the and this

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<v Speaker 2>is what a lot of people say, the five people

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<v Speaker 2>that you spend the most time, which really do influence

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<v Speaker 2>who you've become. And you know, I spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time with my mum, with my dad, with my grandparents,

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<v Speaker 2>with my wife, with my kids, with my team, So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of it is based on the

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<v Speaker 2>people that you train yourself with. But I am very individual,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in terms of I haven't thought I have

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion. I stand by that. I don't bend easily.

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<v Speaker 2>I listen, but I do question a lot. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I always asked why why is this being done? Why

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<v Speaker 2>is that being done? It's probably the core reason as

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<v Speaker 2>to why White Foxes is such a success because I

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<v Speaker 2>questioned why, why, why? And I've just had this incredible

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<v Speaker 2>self belief. I've always had my back up against the

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<v Speaker 2>wall of the kid in terms of what could be

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<v Speaker 2>achieved and what people thought I was capable of achieving

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<v Speaker 2>and being the underdog, and being the underdog builds this

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<v Speaker 2>resilience in this strive and this energy to want to

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<v Speaker 2>work hard and to stay true. So look, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>really hard question. It's probably a question that's easier answered

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<v Speaker 2>when I am an old guy that's nearing death and

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<v Speaker 2>you look back on it all and really summarize it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, for me, I feel like I've really

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<v Speaker 2>just just warming up and getting started, and I really

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<v Speaker 2>look forward to what can be achieved over the next ten, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty odd years. And it's yeah, it's quite fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. Why is it really drawn to

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<v Speaker 1>the underdog? And as soon as you said that, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think people are drawn to it because they

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<v Speaker 2>tap into the underdog within themselves and their own insecurities.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, whether you like it or not, every

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<v Speaker 2>single person has them. It's just how you handle them

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<v Speaker 2>and how you turn those into motivations and to your

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<v Speaker 2>own superpowers, and it's you know, it's a whole different

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<v Speaker 2>conversation as to how you combat that and how you

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<v Speaker 2>tackle it and how you do it consistently day in

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<v Speaker 2>day out But throughout that journey, you've always have people

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<v Speaker 2>that try and rattle it or bring it down or

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<v Speaker 2>question it. And at those moments when you know that

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the right path, because people don't question or

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<v Speaker 2>try to engage in negative commentary unless you actually are

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<v Speaker 2>doing the right thing. So you've just got to stay

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<v Speaker 2>through and keep going and pushing. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what intrigues people, and it's probably why I've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to build a great team around me, because I try

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<v Speaker 2>and protect those people that you know are being belied

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<v Speaker 2>or are being questioned because I've been there, I've done that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know how to I know how to get

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<v Speaker 2>around it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the judges comments and scores should really lead

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<v Speaker 1>us as viewers to knowing whose house is going to

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<v Speaker 1>sell best. And I feel like there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>pressure that exists in that space because we watched the series.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's nineteen series now, you know sometimes the judges'

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<v Speaker 1>comments and you know, the houses that are gaining the

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<v Speaker 1>points don't end up being the house that's as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the audiences think. Is that a lot of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>and is that something that you are wanting to focus

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<v Speaker 1>in on and is it in your mind. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I want to make sure that I score the

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<v Speaker 1>house the best that ends up selling the best to

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<v Speaker 1>prove who you are and what you bring to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. I think when I walk into a room,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at that room and I'm looking at how

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<v Speaker 2>they're evolving as renovators. Because you always make mistakes, whether

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<v Speaker 2>that being planning or material selection or the craftsmanship, and

0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 2>it's the same mistakes are happening week on weeks. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be able to call that out. And

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<v Speaker 2>if they're not listening to that feedback from the judges,

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<v Speaker 2>they are doing themselves quite a disservice. And that's not

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<v Speaker 2>to say that the judges are always correct, because we're not,

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<v Speaker 2>but the probability is that the majority of the time

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<v Speaker 2>we are. And that's something that is I believe really

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<v Speaker 2>important for them to realize that, you know, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>just throwing opinion. Well, I'm certainly not just throwing opinions

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<v Speaker 2>around because you know, there's a favorite house, or there's

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a favorite room, or a favorite a couple. I hadn't

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>had a chance to meet these guys till, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty deep into the series. So it's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things where you are judging, and particularly to me, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at what is the marketability and saleability? How will

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<v Speaker 2>this shoot, how will this present on the market against

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<v Speaker 2>other homes, and how will the agent be able to

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<v Speaker 2>interpret what they've done to then convey this message to

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.600
<v Speaker 2>the buyer gets them emotionally connected, So whether they're an

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<v Speaker 2>investor or whether they're living in these houses at some

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<v Speaker 2>point in time, if you can hit that emotional cord,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when you get the highest amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>The judges do get a lot of criticism, though, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you look at that or have

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<v Speaker 1>looked at that over the years. You know, people will

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<v Speaker 1>say things on social media. Does that worry you about

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<v Speaker 1>how people will take you and what they're going to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Aline does that affect the way in which it.

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<v Speaker 2>Be very it'll be very hard to get harsher criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, like I said, what I've had throughout my

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<v Speaker 2>career or throughout my schooling life. So for me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that is understood. You are a judge. You're putting

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<v Speaker 2>yourself out there and you'll have people that agree, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>have people that disagree as long as they as long

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<v Speaker 2>as everyone understands at the core of it, nothing is

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<v Speaker 2>personal and it's all about the property. And I've always

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<v Speaker 2>found property to be similar to people. There's no such

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<v Speaker 2>thing as the perfect person. There's no such thing as

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect property. Even at fifty sixty seventy eighty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>The house is never perfect. There is always a compromise

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 2>like this people, no one is perfect. There is always

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<v Speaker 2>a compromise because there's so many moving parts to a person.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many moving parts to a property, and beauty

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<v Speaker 2>is in either beholder. That's how it works. You may

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<v Speaker 2>as well give your opinion, and you may as well

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<v Speaker 2>judge based on how you feel about it, because ultimately

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 2>you can never get one hundred percent acceptance.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever, what's the life relationship like with Shana and Darren?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we love these people on the show, and I

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:07.920
<v Speaker 1>was curious to know, how are you getting along with them?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, how do their styles different differ to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I just love them from the first day walking and

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 2>seeing you know, Shane is sitting there getting her makeup

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 2>done and giving her a kiss and a cuddle and

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.719
<v Speaker 2>saying it's so nice to meet with you, and talking

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.199
<v Speaker 2>about her grandkids and my kids, and it was just

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 2>like a mother hen on set and with Jazz. You know,

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 2>he's just such a funny guys at the best sense

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<v Speaker 2>of humor. They're just really great people and they're at

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>the top of their game. They're really smart, they're knowledgeable,

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>they're friendly, and they to put me under their wing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I can't say anything other than they made

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it so easy for me to just flip in. And

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 2>that's the same with Neil, you know, meeting Neil, going

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<v Speaker 2>out for dinner, interacting with him, it's just, you know,

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 2>these guys are just full of wisdom and you know

0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 2>they've done something for longer than you know what I

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 2>have being on the block, so you know, to ask

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.120
<v Speaker 2>these guys to help and to get some advice from

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 2>them has just been amazing. And just to become their

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 2>friends has been awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>What sort of advice did Neil give you? Did you

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>go out for dinner and did he give you advice

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<v Speaker 1>on what you should do or do you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that everything But I.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a few doings. I can remember that it was

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds to me like a dream.

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Just a real cool cat is me the smooth smooth man.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one year I interviewed them all at the Logis.

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<v Speaker 1>They were walking along the red carpet and I just

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<v Speaker 1>after speaking to all of them, I was like, these people,

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you just want to go and have an expensive meal

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.479
<v Speaker 1>at a nice restaurant with some good wine with these people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the show's success revolves a lot around the

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>drama and the you know, the housing porn of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you the show gets that balance right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it all comes down to the contestants. And I

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 2>think what's really really excited is if you think about

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 2>last season how far away everyone was from one another, Like,

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, you had to walk sort of two or

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>three hundred meters just to bump into someone. So when

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>you slip that on its head and you go back

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 2>to a traditional type block and you've got five pousses

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>within one hundred meters of each other and some that

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>are literally a meter of us, then you have naturally

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 2>far more engagement and entertainment because of how much the

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 2>contacts they have. Now, when you've got contact and you've

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 2>got a competition, you've got rooms, you've got trades, and

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you've got rain, you've got wind, you've got Melbourne you've

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 2>got this, You've got that, you just get you just

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>get absolutely humbled with content. And these guys seriously like

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>this series, from what I've heard, is just going to

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>go off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I'm just I just love the drama. I don't know,

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>but know that this commental line of people like, no,

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it should be about the houses, and I'm like, no,

0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the balance needs to be equal, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this series, the drama is real because

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's interesting about the drama that happens this

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>year is nothing's being manufactured. These people are just behaving

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>as humans do. So it's extraordinarily relatable.

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think what the public needs to understand is

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that these contestants sometimes also believe it or not, They

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 2>get that they're micd up. That's the truth. Because you

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>get into such a zone, you say things, you do

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>things that maybe you know, your guard gets dropped and

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that realness comes out and reality has the word real

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>in it for a reason. We want to see the

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 2>realness and that's what they get. That's where that's where

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 2>it's so different from anything else.

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But is this drama this year something that you were expecting?

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how did it affect your time. Being that

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 1>this is your first season as a judge on this show.

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>You're sort of removed a bit because you know, you're

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>never unset. At the same time, you don't interact, But

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>what you do here is the whispers, and you know

0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>what people are doing and saying and feeling more so,

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.639
<v Speaker 2>have feeling about you're judging. So what is hard is

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>to not go in there and let their emotional rollercoaster

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>affect what you say, because then if you do allow that,

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>then you're not judging fairly. You have to judge a

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>week on week with with a clean slate. So I

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>think if if there was more of a relationship with

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>the contestants to build over the series and with the judges,

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that would that could have the possibility of

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 2>changing the style of judging. But I believe the way

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>that it's done, the way that it's kept separate, means

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>that the viewers really get to see proper judging and

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 2>the contestants get to feel through feelings based on what

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.199
<v Speaker 2>the judges are seeing. So I think the way that

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>they've combined the drama and the technical side is really good.

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you saying that it would influence because

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>it would influence me. You know, if I was to

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>being a judge, if I was to meet all of

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>these people first, before I met any of their stylings

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>or the decisions, you know, before I'd be judging any

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>of that. If I like someone, I think I would

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 1>be influenced by who they are, you know, And.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>To say that you wouldn't be would be an absolute

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>life because it's human nature to have feelings for people

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>that you happen to like. You just can't deny that.

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 2>So how they've done it like they really they really

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 2>have nailed.

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>It, But you would now now that they've finished the show,

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Australia is just about to start seeing it. So not

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>giving anything away about the show, but from your dynamic

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>with them, has that relationship gone? Have you become more

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>connected to one house over another?

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think being able to walk through finish homes

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>and look at them, you know, are there houses that

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I think are better houses than the others? Absolutely? One

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. If you said, Marty, I'll give you one today,

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>which one where you take? I know exactly which one

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I'd take. If I was a contestant and you said,

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 2>which house would you like to start on. I know

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>exactly which house I'd like to start on because of

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>some core fundamentals that I try and stick to when

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I do my own property development. So you know, I

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>have those opinions, but they're probably opinions that i'd be

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>more than happy to share with You've been at the

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>end of the series, just not now.

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know that though. I just want

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to ask you this. The house that you choose to

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>would choose to live in, is that different to the

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>house that you think you could make the most money

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>out of.

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>No, I think those two things are quite aligned. I

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>think whenever I do a development and renovated propertly with Charlotte,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 2>you have to love it and you have to try

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and make great money from it.

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I just had the practice because I've seen them, and

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I just felt for me that there was a house

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that I chose that I would want to live in,

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and then there was a house that I knew would

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>make more money. And when I say I knew, I

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>have no experience with selling houses at all, so.

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's quite funny. I believe that I

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>could pick knowing from that very shorting caound that we had.

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>I think I know the house that you want to

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>live in, and I think I know the house that

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>will make the most money are offline. I reckon, I

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>know your two houses. I reckon.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>You might be right. Ok we'll just have to bring

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you back for We'll bring you back for a debrief

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>on the whole series once it's okay, I love it. Well.

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>The last couple of questions I had for you was, well,

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's off the back of what we were

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>just saying, do you, at this point in your mind

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>have a house that you think audiences will be drawn

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>more to as the one to watch?

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I really feel like, you know, towards the sort

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>of you know, pail end of the show, that's when

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>those opinions really form, and I really feel that the

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>public will have similar opinions, such as the judges where

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 2>it really fluctuates. But it really fluctuates. It's not until

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>you get to those final stages where it really comes together.

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, landscaping is so important for a buyer, and

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>landscaping kind of the last things to occur, so, you know, landscaping,

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, the facad all those sorts of things. They

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>have such a massive impact on how a viewer will

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 2>feel about the property and how a buyer will feel

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>about the property. So you know what I love. What

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I love about is that the week by week people's

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>opinions will change as to who the front runner is.

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Before we go. The last question I ask everyone who

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>joins the podcast is what is something from behind the scenes,

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>something that we as an audience won't see, but kind

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of like a behind the scenes either secret for you

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>being on this series, or maybe a funny anecdote or

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>something that had happened during the production of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't a blunder, but there was something really magical

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<v Speaker 2>which occurred on the show. And it's probably halfway through

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't actually say what it was, but when

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<v Speaker 2>you see it, you'll know exactly what I mean. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that was super special, particularly for me and

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<v Speaker 2>my family, and I just think that when you see it,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll know what I'm talking about. But it was just

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<v Speaker 2>one of those life moments that you'll never forget. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's going to be really cool to see.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the people going to say from work White Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they going to be impressed with you now that

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<v Speaker 1>you've finished the show? What are they going to matter.

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<v Speaker 2>What they all know exactly who I am. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go, holy shit, he actually has been mad.

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>They're going to go, hey, we've told you for years

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>is exactly like this. So I think for White Fox,

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<v Speaker 2>so in particular, it's a really you know, we're seven

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<v Speaker 2>years old. We've got offices in Melbourne and in New Zealand,

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<v Speaker 2>in queen Town and Auckland, and you know the vision

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<v Speaker 2>is to continue to build this boutique agency throughout Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>And what it does for White Fox is gives that

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>stamp of credibility. You know, you get credible in business

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>after years and years and years, and you know, after

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years is an advisor and negotiator, I became credible

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>as a business owner after seven years. You know I

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<v Speaker 2>was credible. But I think what TV does it amplifies

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 2>that credibility and it gives you the reach that may

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<v Speaker 2>have taken maybe ten or fifteen years, and hopefully that

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<v Speaker 2>shortens that by a little bit and we can continue

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<v Speaker 2>to expand and attract great operators and people that love

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<v Speaker 2>what we do to their assets and how we market

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>them and how we communicate with them and really just

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<v Speaker 2>help people that want that White Fox magic on their properties.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, from our perspective, everyone in the team,

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<v Speaker 2>we're really excited to be put on that type of

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<v Speaker 2>platform and stage to show you know who we are

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and what we are, and that it's these types of

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<v Speaker 2>pillers being bold polished as matter of fact, which are

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<v Speaker 2>the three brand fillers of White Fox, which are really

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<v Speaker 2>brand fillers of me as a person to shine through.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really honored, like I said at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the conversation, and excited you to see how it

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<v Speaker 2>all pans out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited I fil Marty that they're people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to really like you. You know, I get I

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<v Speaker 1>said this to you in one of the rooms. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember. I'd spoken to you downstairs and I saw

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you upstairs in one of the rooms, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder whether or not this show's being made where

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>we get to see you in a certain light at

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<v Speaker 1>the very start, so that we are drawn to like you.

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't realize if you were standing next to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the creators of the show and he then

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<v Speaker 1>had a conversation with me downstairs. But the weird thing was,

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<v Speaker 1>I just as I've watched more of it. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think people are going to be drawn to your honesty

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of warmth in you that I

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<v Speaker 1>think brings a huge asset to this series. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for austraight to fall in love with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh how cool? Well, hopefully it's a It's a great

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>series and people love it, and you know, the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to do it is there. It's really cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and then.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have your own spin off show like The

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<v Speaker 1>Kadashians with your wife and your child friends disguise.

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<v Speaker 2>The link ye ah, jeez. I don't know. My wife

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<v Speaker 2>loves being a bit more behind the scenes, so you

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<v Speaker 2>have to you have to crack Charlotte on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, all the best, mate. I really appreciate how generous

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<v Speaker 1>you were with your time and sharing your story and

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<v Speaker 1>now good Lucke under Block twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, look to talking again in the future. Appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your time as well.