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Speaker 1: Australia's cricketers as they take on the world. Goodday, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of The Unplaybook Podcast.
Speaker 2: We've got a.
Speaker 1: Massive episode coming up for you today with interviews with
Speaker 1: Matt Short and Jake Lehman to come up on the show.
Speaker 1: But first let's introduce Kane Richardson, who's back here again.
Speaker 2: There's every week.
Speaker 1: Rich Oh, I know it's been a big week for you,
Speaker 1: and there's some news around Punch the Monkey that I
Speaker 1: know that's really stirred up to your feelings on the
Speaker 1: during the week.
Speaker 3: You've completely lost me already five seconds into this you
Speaker 3: said it's been a big week for me, and I thought,
Speaker 3: what's happened. I've been sitting on a burro at home
Speaker 3: for the whole week, So not a big week for you.
Speaker 2: Not across the Punch the Monkey news.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on very quickly into this week's
Speaker 1: weekly winner. Rich sho you want me to start this
Speaker 1: week because you always seem to it off, which you should,
Speaker 1: But this week I'm going to go for the obvious one,
Speaker 1: Alyssa Healy obviously the retiring grade final. Odi just punches
Speaker 1: out one hundred and fifty eight of ninety eight deliveries,
Speaker 1: her highest score in Australia, second highest audio score and
Speaker 1: I think from a one hundred to fifty and sixteen
Speaker 1: balls or something ludicrous. So what a way to sign out?
Speaker 1: And she decided to have a trendle as well.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought you were going to point to first.
Speaker 3: I thought that would be especially the topic of today's
Speaker 3: Big four. I don't want to give too much away, but.
Speaker 2: No, I give it away.
Speaker 3: We have now, haven't we.
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 1: The topic of today's span is part time bowl is
Speaker 1: the best that we've seen?
Speaker 3: So and I assume that came into your mind because
Speaker 3: of a listen here, right, yeah, right, yeah. I did
Speaker 3: find it funny that she did give herself the ball
Speaker 3: and one above.
Speaker 1: There was some rusty coling in there. We'll get to it,
Speaker 1: but not just one over. Yeah, she went for a
Speaker 1: second so.
Speaker 3: One of the wicket didn't Absolutely I reckon she would
Speaker 3: have preferred a wicket over the one hundred and fifty eight,
Speaker 3: but again one hundred fifty out of ninety eight four
Speaker 3: hundred and nine wrapped up. What a way to go out,
Speaker 3: as she said, So she's still got the Test match
Speaker 3: to come, but just cementing again her legacy for generations
Speaker 3: to come as one of the greats of women's cricket
Speaker 3: in this country. So she was one of my weekly winners.
Speaker 2: But for the batting, or for the bowling, or for
Speaker 2: the all around.
Speaker 3: It, for everything. Also for staky again in the com
Speaker 3: box looking dapper as some great footage when she brought
Speaker 3: up one hundred. You didn't really know how to just
Speaker 3: played it cool. So because he knew the camera was
Speaker 3: on it exactly. He's our man, So we love love
Speaker 3: their work. I went to Andrew Sampson as my backup
Speaker 3: plan just in case, because you're talking Beginnings needed to
Speaker 3: win to get into a semi final. We know the
Speaker 3: pressure that the Indian team were under ninety seven or
Speaker 3: fifty chasing a decent score against the Western East to
Speaker 3: basically send them home and India to progress. And there
Speaker 3: was a lot of people happy after that. I reckon
Speaker 3: the breathing a sigh of leaf because it looked like
Speaker 3: not that they are out of it the halfway point,
Speaker 3: but you need a lot to go right chasing that score,
Speaker 3: and they did start slow. So basically one one man
Speaker 3: bandit to win. So ninety seven not out of fifty balls,
Speaker 3: get them to win. They're in the semi final. Now,
Speaker 3: the broadcasters are happy, BCCI a happy, well, crickets happy.
Speaker 3: So a couple of big semi finals coming up in
Speaker 3: the space you can smell trophies now.
Speaker 2: It's kind of yeah, yeah, you've.
Speaker 3: Got the One Day Cup coming up, probably not as
Speaker 3: high on people's agenda as the T twenty.
Speaker 2: But for us it is definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's getting to that time of the year where
Speaker 3: it's time to start winning some stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll touch on the T twenty World Cup very shortly,
Speaker 1: but when you get to the final four, is it
Speaker 1: genuinely anyone's game or are there still guys and teams
Speaker 1: who are in favoritism here or is it even playing
Speaker 1: field now?
Speaker 3: No, it's definitely, there's definitely seeds still and being a
Speaker 3: home country and everyone's pre tournament favorite India. So but again,
Speaker 3: like you said last week, England have done nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: They've just slowly just gone about their work under the radar.
Speaker 3: So Africa have been probably one beat to India's one
Speaker 3: a and then New Zealand just once again like no
Speaker 3: one's We hadn't spoken about him, No one had spoken
Speaker 3: about him. Oh look at that New Zealand final of
Speaker 3: the World Cup again. So I mean it's all going
Speaker 3: to come down to the toss of the coin in
Speaker 3: my view, that's going to be such a heavy part
Speaker 3: of it. But still the best team can win batting
Speaker 3: first if they put a complete game together. So for
Speaker 3: very worthy teams.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, we'll get to a more in depth
Speaker 1: preview of those semifinals very shortly, but after a quick
Speaker 1: word from our Sponsorible here from Matt Short, who was
Speaker 1: in Australia's two twenty World Cup squad before the tournament began.
Speaker 1: He was then left out of the finalize squad that
Speaker 1: they announced, and he gives us a bit of an
Speaker 1: insight into how that all played out and what's next
Speaker 1: for him. Pleasure to be joined now by Matt Short,
Speaker 1: who's just slotted back in seamlessly to that Victorian side.
Speaker 1: They're absolutely flying at the minute. Welcome to the Unplayable podcast. Shorty,
Speaker 1: thanks mate, thanks having me, no.
Speaker 2: Worries at all. Yeah, let's talk about the Vics.
Speaker 1: Obviously they've walked in that home final, already in the
Speaker 1: Sheffield Shield, they're going really well. What's the vibe around
Speaker 1: the group at the minute.
Speaker 2: It's been been really good.
Speaker 4: I suppose it's been the vibe sort of every time
Speaker 4: I get back to play with them, but.
Speaker 2: It's been really good. They've obviously had a really good year.
Speaker 4: A lot of guys are standing up, which is good,
Speaker 4: not relying on just a couple of guys.
Speaker 2: So no, it's just awesome to see the depth of
Speaker 2: the VIC cricket standing up.
Speaker 4: And yeah, as I said, even the new guys that
Speaker 4: are coming in, yeah, making an impact and helping win
Speaker 4: win games for the Vics.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's awesome to see the boys lpping about.
Speaker 1: One of the moves that we've seen made this year
Speaker 1: has been Sam Harper up to open, especially in the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, and they've got those twin tons
Speaker 1: in Perth. Was the prize to you, because I mean
Speaker 1: for a lot of us looking on that was a
Speaker 1: bit of a surprise to see him move up to
Speaker 1: the top, but seems like it suits him perfectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 4: I sort of look at it and no one really
Speaker 4: knew what the batting order is going to be over
Speaker 4: in Perth. But yeah, he's sort of a weird one
Speaker 4: because he's he's obviously opened a lot in white ball
Speaker 4: cricket and just sort of tends to get moved around
Speaker 4: the order a bit in in the.
Speaker 2: Red Bull stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was a bit of a strange one,
Speaker 4: but it obviously paid off and Bucky, Bucky the coach,
Speaker 4: he's obviously pretty happy with the decision and the mastermind
Speaker 4: behind it all. But nah, obviously Harps is in some
Speaker 4: incredible form. Just got that confidence now that I think
Speaker 4: he's found a tempo that suits him really well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's been been awesome to see. He deserves every bit
Speaker 4: of his A very hard worker and yeah, just awesome
Speaker 4: to see him doing well at the moment.
Speaker 1: And from a bowling point of view, I mean there's
Speaker 1: wickets everywhere you look. Scott bowl On, Sam Elliott, Mitch Perry,
Speaker 1: Fergus O'Neill, and then you throw in Todd Murphy as
Speaker 1: well for some spin options. There's just so many options
Speaker 1: with the ball as well at the minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you missed will Sudland in there as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna gonna be tight come come, the last game
Speaker 4: of the year. But yeah, I said, everyone's standing up,
Speaker 4: everyone's sort of scoring runs and taking wickets, so I
Speaker 4: guess you know, they all say it's a good problem
Speaker 4: to have with the depth and whatnot. So yeah, it
Speaker 4: was pretty special, you know, the other week in Perth,
Speaker 4: just watching the guys go about it and sort of
Speaker 4: just standing in the hammock at first slip and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome to watch.
Speaker 1: Now as we've touched on, you guys have locked in
Speaker 1: that home final, which means the Sheffied Shield is going
Speaker 1: to be on the line.
Speaker 2: Come.
Speaker 1: I think it's March twenty sixth. Have you won a
Speaker 1: Sheffield Shield yourself? I know you've been in a couple
Speaker 1: of losses to w A, but have you won one yourself?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: One one one against New South Wales. I was about
Speaker 4: seventeen eighteen, so yeah, and then as you said, lost
Speaker 4: a couple against WA so it's nicely that win against
Speaker 4: them over there. You don't often win a good first
Speaker 4: but yeah, I was luck enough to play in that
Speaker 4: one against New South at the Junction was a good
Speaker 4: few days.
Speaker 1: And we've seen your coach, Bucky Rogers even come out
Speaker 1: and push your test credentials. If you finish this shield block, well,
Speaker 1: he reckons that you're definitely in the mix for a
Speaker 1: test looking as well. How do you sort of respond
Speaker 1: to something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's always a hard one, and it's
Speaker 4: probably been been tough for the last sort of two
Speaker 4: or three years just with the amount of white ball
Speaker 4: going on. And you know, I've we comes to a
Speaker 4: point now where, you know, especially sort of finding myself
Speaker 4: out of the white ball team at this stage, sort
Speaker 4: of really needed to sit down and figure out what
Speaker 4: I want to do and you know, what I want
Speaker 4: to have.
Speaker 2: With a crackout, whether it's red ball or white ball.
Speaker 4: So probably in the middle of that and probably needed
Speaker 4: a bit of time to work through that. So yeah,
Speaker 4: look at it, it's always been a tough question to answer,
Speaker 4: Like obviously it's great to have those comments come from
Speaker 4: your coach, and yeah, it's just sort of comes down
Speaker 4: to me and what sort of suits me and me
Speaker 4: and my family and what makes us happy and yeah
Speaker 4: and go from there. So yeah, got a bit of
Speaker 4: work to go through at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe this is a tough one to answer,
Speaker 1: But in terms of the formats, I mean, from an
Speaker 1: outsider's point of view, it seems like T twenties and
Speaker 1: one days would be pretty similar in terms of your
Speaker 1: prep and everything. And then you've got four A and
Speaker 1: five of their cricket, which is just a completely different
Speaker 1: ball game. Do you prefer the the longer leadings and
Speaker 1: the longer match days or are you happy with them
Speaker 1: just in and out in one day sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, in terms of the playing style and whatnot,
Speaker 4: I'm happy with the sort of the short and sharp games.
Speaker 4: But then I guess in terms of the training, and
Speaker 4: you know what's actually good for your game, I guess
Speaker 4: the red ball and training, you know, working on your
Speaker 4: technique and trying to spend time in the middle, I
Speaker 4: guess is really good for your game. So sort of
Speaker 4: just weighing up all those pros and cons. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that you don't train for T twenty
Speaker 4: or one days, but you know you probably don't get
Speaker 4: the time in the middle that you can in red ball,
Speaker 4: And yeah, so they're sort of the things that I'm
Speaker 4: weighing up and what I enjoy more or what I
Speaker 4: don't And as I said, what what's better for me
Speaker 4: in the family moving forward?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool. And so let's circle back to that
Speaker 1: T twenty World Cup. You're in the preliminary squad and
Speaker 1: then left out of the official squad that they took in.
Speaker 1: Can you talk us through those decisions and how you
Speaker 1: were sort of made aware of that and was a
Speaker 1: surprise to you, I suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4: I guess when I found out I was in the
Speaker 4: first squad of fifteen, the preliminary squad, I was obviously
Speaker 4: really wrapped. And I guess from the moment I found out,
Speaker 4: it was pretty much let's prep for World Cup and
Speaker 4: you know, let's make sure, you know, I hit the
Speaker 4: ground running and try and win a World Cup for
Speaker 4: Australia and you know, just the whole sort of experience.
Speaker 4: And you know, I've been been around the squad a
Speaker 4: couple of times.
Speaker 2: Over in the West Indies.
Speaker 4: I was, you know, I was a replacement or not
Speaker 4: a replacement of traveling reserve player.
Speaker 2: See, I sort of had the taste of it, but
Speaker 2: you know without playing.
Speaker 4: So this this time, I was really keen to get
Speaker 4: to Silanka and really push my case and and try
Speaker 4: and be involved in the World Cup.
Speaker 2: Was really going forward to it.
Speaker 4: But then, yeah, I suppose we there weren't too many
Speaker 4: comms sort of leading up to.
Speaker 2: Leading up to the World Cup.
Speaker 4: Obviously we had the Pakistan series, which again was a
Speaker 4: you know, it was going to be a nice little
Speaker 4: prep into the World Cup that I was going to use.
Speaker 4: And I guess they made the conditions, you know, pretty tough,
Speaker 4: tough to play, you know, looking at what Trelanka was
Speaker 4: probably going to offer us. So you know, I was
Speaker 4: really look forored to get into Pakistan and you know,
Speaker 4: sort of testing myself and then seeing what it was
Speaker 4: going to be like. And yeah, obviously didn't not too
Speaker 4: many I was did too well over in Pakistan. It
Speaker 4: was a pretty tough series to be involved in. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I sort of found out well not to play the
Speaker 4: first game in Pakistan and then got the call, got
Speaker 4: a call from Dodders who was over there with us,
Speaker 4: I think the day or the night before the second game.
Speaker 2: Of the not before the second game of the three
Speaker 2: game series.
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, you know, he sort of
Speaker 4: invited me into his room, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll probably get and dropped for the next couple of
Speaker 4: games or whatnot.
Speaker 2: And when I walked.
Speaker 4: In, Ronnie was in there as well, so I was like, shops,
Speaker 4: something going on here.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't really heard much.
Speaker 4: There wasn't much communication around, you know, what the sward
Speaker 4: was doing, or you know, we're heading to Schlanker in
Speaker 4: three days time. And then yeah, it's sort of Dods
Speaker 4: was like, look, mate, there's atwing moving parts with injuries,
Speaker 4: and you know, they weren't sure how long TV was
Speaker 4: going to take. And obviously Patty was out and and
Speaker 4: hoff was was not ruled out at that stage, but
Speaker 4: he was out. And yeah, they just said they wanted
Speaker 4: to go with you know, while TV was out, they
Speaker 4: wanted that they wanted Renders in in to come through
Speaker 4: the middle. You know, maybe is a better option against spin,
Speaker 4: maybe it's a left hander, and you know, with the
Speaker 4: top order being so so stacked as it was, I
Speaker 4: guess my only way in was was probably through through
Speaker 4: the middle.
Speaker 2: So I guess that was the reasoning there.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I went into the room thinking I
Speaker 4: wasn't playing in Pakistan for the next couple of games,
Speaker 4: but you know, I still had an a Tralannka but
Speaker 4: they were like, na, you're still playing the next couple
Speaker 4: of games in Pakistan, but you'll be on the next
Speaker 4: plane owns. So it was it was tough, but I
Speaker 4: guess it's it's it's made me sort of realize and
Speaker 4: sit down that there are there are actual areas of
Speaker 4: my game that I need to improve and which I
Speaker 4: suppose you probably comes more down to me. I've probably
Speaker 4: gone through the last couple of years, gone from tournament
Speaker 4: to tournament or series a series and not actually sat
Speaker 4: down well enough or reviewed how I'm actually going or.
Speaker 2: Or what what I need to work on, what's going well,
Speaker 2: what's not.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I sort of use the last few weeks,
Speaker 4: you know, since getting back from Pakistan to talk to
Speaker 4: the people I need to talk to and work out
Speaker 4: a plan to get back in that Australian team and
Speaker 4: and yeah, get better as a cricketer.
Speaker 1: It's tough though, because I mean, obviously we've seen all
Speaker 1: your success or a lot of your success in the
Speaker 1: shortest form be at the top of the order. So
Speaker 1: does it come to a point where you might have
Speaker 1: to say, well, maybe I want to bat Elsa in
Speaker 1: the order, just to show my flexibility and to show
Speaker 1: that not necessarily just pigeonholers as an open end T
Speaker 1: twenty cricket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. I mean.
Speaker 4: I suppose that the reason that, yeah, I suppose the
Speaker 4: reason I got into the Australian team in the first
Speaker 4: place was from opening the batting and doing quite well.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to get rid of that, and
Speaker 4: the communication from from you know, from Ronnie and Bales,
Speaker 4: Doughters and whatnot. They still see me as an opening batsman,
Speaker 4: you know, when that that spot comes up, believe that
Speaker 4: spot comes up. But then yeah, obviously to get into
Speaker 4: the team at the moment's probably through the middle, the
Speaker 4: moving parts there. So yeah, look, I've certainly had enough
Speaker 4: experience through the middle. We had that big India series
Speaker 4: here at home where I played a few games through
Speaker 4: the middle. I did it a lot so early in
Speaker 4: my career with the vis both read red and white
Speaker 4: ball cricket, and then sort of the start of my
Speaker 4: TEA twenty career as well.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, I don't I don't want to look
Speaker 2: into it too much.
Speaker 4: There's obviously areas to work on it, you know, against
Speaker 4: spin and maybe those those sort of subcontinent conditions. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't want to sort of shy away from the
Speaker 4: fact that, you know, opening the battings what's got me
Speaker 4: into the team in the first place. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I sort of stick with that and have a play
Speaker 4: around through the middle if I need to.
Speaker 1: And do you sort of not that you'd be somebody
Speaker 1: to pity yourself, but I mean you look at the
Speaker 1: Champions Trophy and that sort of tournament ended for you
Speaker 1: with injury. Then you've got to this T twenty World
Speaker 1: Cup and you were left out of the last minute.
Speaker 1: You sort of think to yourself, yea, I wish I
Speaker 1: could just have a bit of luck come of these
Speaker 1: ICDC tournaments, so to'd be handy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been been hard.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean every time you get injured,
Speaker 4: it's it's always a you know, you say you're unlucky
Speaker 4: and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's been a few series that I've missed.
Speaker 4: I would have been really keen to playing the one
Speaker 4: over in in Jamaica there, but I missed that through injury.
Speaker 2: I think got in my side or something something my rib.
Speaker 4: Yeah there's been you know, I missed missed PSL tournament,
Speaker 4: you know, earlier last year, which would have been nice
Speaker 4: to sort of playing the conditions over there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's obviously.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just been a bit a little bit frustrating
Speaker 4: with injury and not getting that exposure that I probably
Speaker 4: could have had throughout the year, so you know, which
Speaker 4: ultimately gave them the you know, we haven't seen you
Speaker 4: enough through the middle, or we haven't I haven't seen
Speaker 4: you performed well enough against spin or whatnot. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it would have been nice to get those sort of
Speaker 4: decent blocks of games for Australia, but yeah, injury has
Speaker 4: would have gotten the way a little bit.
Speaker 2: But here that's sort of is what it is. You
Speaker 2: can't really control that too much.
Speaker 1: And have you been watching the T twenty World Cup
Speaker 1: or have you been completely just checked out of it
Speaker 1: and not not even checking the scores.
Speaker 2: I certainly checked the scores.
Speaker 4: I haven't didn't go far enough to sign up to
Speaker 4: Prime or Amazon whatever it was. But no, to be honest,
Speaker 4: I was pretty shattered when I when I got the
Speaker 4: news and when I got home, and you know, I
Speaker 4: just needed to need to get away from a little
Speaker 4: bit and talk to my people and work out ways
Speaker 4: to move forward and you know what needs to be
Speaker 4: done to to get back in there. So yeah, kind
Speaker 4: of put the World Cup aside and yeah, pretty much
Speaker 4: moved on to what was next, and that was playing
Speaker 4: Shield cricket.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's all you have to do.
Speaker 4: That's probably lucky enough that I had extra cricket to
Speaker 4: go back to, but yeah, that was probably what kept
Speaker 4: me doing I.
Speaker 1: Suppose Now, obviously the Shield will be your focus for
Speaker 1: the next little bit. But what do you have coming
Speaker 1: up later in the year that we can look out for.
Speaker 1: I think there's an IPL in there, and you've played
Speaker 1: MLC in the past.
Speaker 4: Yes, I've only got the one one Shield game to
Speaker 4: go this week and then I'll I'll head over to
Speaker 4: India for the i PL. I play with Chennai there
Speaker 4: and again use that block as a not a like
Speaker 4: I want to head over there obviously to play into
Speaker 4: to win games and do well, but use it as
Speaker 4: a really good experience to bat over those conditions and
Speaker 4: and you know, do a heap of training and playing
Speaker 4: you know, the versing spin and whatnot.
Speaker 2: I've got, you know, lucky enough to have Mark Causi
Speaker 2: over there as a batting coach.
Speaker 4: I've been in touch with him a few times, you know,
Speaker 4: coming up with a plan and sort of ways ways
Speaker 4: around my game that I can sort of focus on
Speaker 4: and get better at. So that's been pretty cool. But
Speaker 4: then there straight to MLC. I suppose after that, hopefully
Speaker 4: a couple of Aussie series here and there if they
Speaker 4: go ahead. But they've got the hundred Action coming up,
Speaker 4: which would be cool. Oh yeah, to head to England,
Speaker 4: that's always a cool pump. But yeah, sort of see
Speaker 4: what happens about. Yeah, there's always something going on that's great.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Well, Shorty, thank you much, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your time.
Speaker 1: Great to chat with you all the best this week
Speaker 1: for the Vix and then yeah, the IPS that that's
Speaker 1: going to be great fun. We hope hopefully to get
Speaker 1: to see you out in the middle for the Super Kings.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, looking forward to it. What is something going
Speaker 1: on that's great excellent? Well, Shorty, thank you much, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Great to chat with
Speaker 1: you all the best this week for the Vix and
Speaker 1: then yeah, the IPS that that's going to be great fun.
Speaker 1: We hope hopefully to get to see you out in
Speaker 1: the middle for the Super Kings.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: So great to hear from Matt Short, very candid, very
Speaker 1: open and honest there, so we very much thank him
Speaker 1: for his time there. He obviously said he was devastated
Speaker 1: or shatted to miss out on that T twenty World Cup,
Speaker 1: as you would be. And yeah, now he has a
Speaker 1: chance to go back and look at his game and say, well,
Speaker 1: do I want to really focus in on being a
Speaker 1: potential and middle order international player or he said he
Speaker 1: wants to stay at the top and do his thing
Speaker 1: for the Strikers, and that's where he's had all of
Speaker 1: his success, So that makes sense. But then I also
Speaker 1: found it interesting how he said there maybe he wants
Speaker 1: to also consider where his priorities lay and we might
Speaker 1: seem a bit more on the red ball stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting one. He's a by design, a
Speaker 3: casualty of opening the batting purely in the big bash.
Speaker 3: And again you said his success has been because of that,
Speaker 3: but also now it probably makes him and with Steve
Speaker 3: Smith the same Yeah, in the same basket where when
Speaker 3: you get pigeonholed as you can only open the batting
Speaker 3: and be successful. Then it does make you easier to
Speaker 3: be pushed aside for someone who does have adaptability. So
Speaker 3: I don't know going forward. We seem to have this
Speaker 3: all the time with our T twenty team, but all
Speaker 3: the batters when they go back to the big batch
Speaker 3: open the batting and do really well like Marcus Steinis
Speaker 3: did it. He doesn't now, but such a long period
Speaker 3: of time for the Stars was open to the batting
Speaker 3: would get pick to go away for shame with bat six.
Speaker 3: So I think for adaptability purposes, like what Matt Rencha
Speaker 3: has done, it feels like anyone can open the batting,
Speaker 3: but not anyone can be successful. But it is the
Speaker 3: easiest place to bat, so can for selection purposes if
Speaker 3: you want to play for Australia that more middle order.
Speaker 3: He's got all strengths with his bow in terms of bowls,
Speaker 3: part time, spin and field so well. So there is
Speaker 3: more to it than that. But can he show more
Speaker 3: to his ability to bat anywhere in the order because
Speaker 3: he has been thrown in at six for Australia and
Speaker 3: it's so foreign to him. So he did start his
Speaker 3: career at the Strikers. I remember playing his first game
Speaker 3: for the Strikers. He was batting middle order. He made
Speaker 3: sixty or fifty balls and he was a young kid,
Speaker 3: so he can do it. So that's probably something as
Speaker 3: you say, he's got a look at moving forward. But
Speaker 3: also the rebel stuff. Chris Rogers said, he's you know,
Speaker 3: a chance to play for a shower in Test cricket.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's wrong or right, but you
Speaker 3: know there's a player there as well, so he definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess it's going to be a big off season
Speaker 3: for him. He's got IPOL so he's in dependent franchise
Speaker 3: cricket around the world. But yeah, it's going to be
Speaker 3: an interesting time for him going forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean his Sheffieldshire numbers are good.
Speaker 1: I think he averages more than forty over the past
Speaker 1: few seasons, so he's definitely got that talent there. And
Speaker 1: I mean the IPL looks like a great opportunity for him.
Speaker 1: If he does manage to get a game for the
Speaker 1: Chennai Super Kings, then obviously they're the conditions that the
Speaker 1: selector's one to see more of him in. And yeah,
Speaker 1: as he sort of touched on in that chat, under
Speaker 1: the guidance of Steven Fleming and Mike Hussy, two pretty
Speaker 1: good players or former players to give him some guidance
Speaker 1: on how to conquer those conditions.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and whether or not he's playing, yeah, a training
Speaker 3: that's going to be the best time to practice those
Speaker 3: things as well. He's also in that weird basket where
Speaker 3: I know full well when you're living in a place
Speaker 3: where you're not playing your cricket, he's going to as
Speaker 3: you get older, he's got a young kid. It actually
Speaker 3: does weigh into your decision making and things. It does
Speaker 3: it becomes harder to keep up with things if you
Speaker 3: don't really want to keep up with them. So, as
Speaker 3: you say, with all this red bull, white ball, you
Speaker 3: know all this stuff, he's got a really big decision
Speaker 3: to make. I think going forward, where you live on
Speaker 3: the Gold Coast, play for Victoria, but if your heart's
Speaker 3: not really in it, very quickly you can you can
Speaker 3: fall back and not want to do it. So, as
Speaker 3: we say, the IPL is going to be great for
Speaker 3: his upskilling, but also going forward, you'll know pretty shortly
Speaker 3: what he wants to do with with this cricket going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he mentioned family a couple of times in
Speaker 1: there as well, So it's obviously playing on his mind.
Speaker 1: One thing that maybe brought back some demons for you
Speaker 1: hearing was that selection chat, getting caught in to select
Speaker 1: a Tony dotta Made's room and having the coach there
Speaker 1: as well. Did that bring back any bad memories for
Speaker 1: you being dropped or left out or unexpectedly not in
Speaker 1: the eleven.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been dropped well like anyone has, but lots,
Speaker 3: but never I'd never been dropped just before a World
Speaker 3: Cup or anything like that. I always I was ready
Speaker 3: for it never happened in that way. I do remember
Speaker 3: one where I went to an ODI tour to India.
Speaker 3: Five games, we got thumped, we didn't have our best
Speaker 3: team but actually did pretty well. And there was a
Speaker 3: home One Day series maybe a month later that I
Speaker 3: got dropped for, and I got dropped for guys who
Speaker 3: did well in the One Day Cup domestic that was
Speaker 3: on whilst we were playing in India. So I remember
Speaker 3: that sticking out and I was like, well, so I
Speaker 3: just did well against India in their own backyard against
Speaker 3: Coali ish Arma, you know, the goats, but you've picked
Speaker 3: guys who did well in the domestic cup at that
Speaker 3: stage that was getting played in Sydney on like suburban ground.
Speaker 3: So everyone's got their selection. You know, cricketers love talking
Speaker 3: about selection how unlucky we were, But that was one
Speaker 3: that stuck out to me that I didn't get sat
Speaker 3: in a room with the coach and the selector was
Speaker 3: over the phone.
Speaker 2: But maybe worse.
Speaker 3: Well, domestic wickets they're worth, they're worth their weight in gold,
Speaker 3: and we won our domestic cricket to mean something. But
Speaker 3: I felt like that was probably not on the same
Speaker 3: scale of weight. So but yeah, there's been plenty. I
Speaker 3: remember getting picked for a World Cup in Jai. Unfortunately
Speaker 3: didn't make the Cup for England. So I was the
Speaker 3: Matte rencher in that situation where oh yeah, literally the
Speaker 3: plane was leaving the day later and I got the call, so.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's good and bad to every story. I
Speaker 1: guess that was twenty nineteen. Yeah, yeah, OK.
Speaker 3: In hindsight, Hazelwood was ready to go as well and
Speaker 3: didn't get picked. So I'll we live with it.
Speaker 2: Now. You got to take the good with the bad,
Speaker 2: don't you.
Speaker 1: Let's go around the grounds end and we did touch
Speaker 1: on the T twenty World Cup right at the start,
Speaker 1: so we've got South Africa taking on New Zealand in Kolkata.
Speaker 1: That's on Wednesday night, so we'll get the results Thursday morning,
Speaker 1: or maybe if you're staying up through the night.
Speaker 2: You'll get it live.
Speaker 1: And then India and then England they play on Thursday
Speaker 1: night in Mumbai, and of course i'd be Friday morning
Speaker 1: when we're waking up to those. South Africa are still unbeaten.
Speaker 1: They've looked fantastic, the Kiwi's, I mean, they're doing nothing wrong,
Speaker 1: are they, But it's going to be very tough to
Speaker 1: be South Africa. They managed to push you aside Zimbabwe
Speaker 1: in the last game, even though they'd left out Robata,
Speaker 1: Yanson and Maharaj.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done everything right. They've embraced being one of
Speaker 3: the best teams, I think, which is not something they're
Speaker 3: used to in these kind of World Cups. So they've yeah,
Speaker 3: in the last two twenty World Cup and now this
Speaker 3: with the World Test Championship, they've kind of started to
Speaker 3: prove themselves in the international stage, cold cutter conditions. So
Speaker 3: that's going to play into it. And you say New
Speaker 3: Zealand haven't done much wrong, they actually were pretty lucky
Speaker 3: to make it through though when they with the groups
Speaker 3: in terms of the table of that for sure, with
Speaker 3: England being such a runaway that everyone's fighting for second
Speaker 3: and they were lucky enough to get there.
Speaker 2: But just net run rate.
Speaker 3: And you can never discount them again, they always just
Speaker 3: seem to punch above, so especially when it comes to
Speaker 3: the business end. So yeah, again two massive games. Is
Speaker 3: the final in a Metabad.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, memories there for India, aren't.
Speaker 1: They definitely in this tournament and twenty twenty three World Cup.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if the SAMI was going to be
Speaker 3: there and if they changed that last minute to one moir.
Speaker 3: So yeah again, So Africa, look, they if they if
Speaker 3: they do beat New Zealand like sounds like we all expect,
Speaker 3: then they could be favorites. Adam met Abaud with the
Speaker 3: history of that India have had. Yeah, I'm just purely
Speaker 3: speculating here, but you look at yeah, the two big
Speaker 3: games they've lost there in the last few years, so
Speaker 3: Africa would be.
Speaker 1: No, it's a good point and also because India will
Speaker 1: get there with such great expectation on them if assuming
Speaker 1: they knock have England, which I'm not sure that they're
Speaker 1: guaranteed to do as Pommei and Bangalo said, the England
Speaker 1: really haven't hit their straps yet and they've still made
Speaker 1: it all the way through. But yeah, I reckon given
Speaker 1: that South Africa they look so confident in their game,
Speaker 1: they could go into that match potentially his favorites, but
Speaker 1: with the lesser expectation on them. So that's sort of
Speaker 1: maybe a perfect situation.
Speaker 3: Well, it's similar to the twenty three World Cup, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I remember we flew in that day for that T
Speaker 3: twenty series that was afterwards that's stupid T twenty series.
Speaker 3: But we landed the day of the final and everyone
Speaker 3: in the airport was like, you're going to lose, basically
Speaker 3: like India at home final Metabad. The crowd's going to
Speaker 3: be too much and we didn't know at the time,
Speaker 3: but again, when there's that much expectation that it's just
Speaker 3: going to it's a foegone conclusion. You're playing against really proud, skillful,
Speaker 3: great cricketing nations that are confident in their own change room,
Speaker 3: then anything can happen. So and again, as you say
Speaker 3: about England, most of those guys play IPL so they're
Speaker 3: so well tuned to the conditions. Will Jackson is having
Speaker 3: what a World Cup he's had. He's basically the standout
Speaker 3: player for them. But also you go through their order,
Speaker 3: everyone plays ipl they have done for the last decade.
Speaker 3: They're well in demand in franchise crete, they know T
Speaker 3: twenty crickets so well. So it isn't going to be
Speaker 3: the easy semi final that India will probably hope for.
Speaker 3: And then again, if you get through England and you've
Speaker 3: got this beast in So Africa waiting, so yeah, it's
Speaker 3: going to be interesting.
Speaker 1: And big crowds aren't a factor either. I mean, we
Speaker 1: know India so used to it, but given how much
Speaker 1: of the South African team and the English team play
Speaker 1: in l in front of these huge crowds, well I
Speaker 1: don't think that's really going to be a factor either.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's going to be great to watch. One
Speaker 1: thing that really does annoy me about the Amedabad situation.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to go there in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I've seen it firsthand. Everybody says, oh, it's got one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand seats.
Speaker 2: That's just not correct.
Speaker 1: If you go on to their website, the Amedabad Stadium
Speaker 1: website in Nearendromodi Stadium. It says that they've got about
Speaker 1: ninety thousand seats. They got one hundred and twenty thousand
Speaker 1: in there that day because Trump was a special guest,
Speaker 1: and then they had people on the field and so
Speaker 1: they got an extra twenty or thirty. But there's not
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand people in the ground for
Speaker 1: a for a cricket match. So I just want to
Speaker 1: get that on the record. I'm not sure it's any
Speaker 1: bigger than the MCJ either, So a bit of Ossie
Speaker 1: pride there maybe, but yeah, there's a bit of maybe
Speaker 1: exaggeration that goes on with they're reporting there.
Speaker 3: I reckon, Well, mcg is a big playing surface, so
Speaker 3: maybe we can say MCG holds one hundred.
Speaker 2: I reckon, that's speak it good.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: So for the record, that doesn't count. If people are
Speaker 3: standing on the field, that doesn't count. If you can
Speaker 3: get sixty thousand people standing on the grass.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when we're counting attendances, is all.
Speaker 3: Same, yeah exactly, So yeah, you're right. I think it's
Speaker 3: a good point. I actually haven't played there, but again,
Speaker 3: like you said, the big crowd factor isn't what it
Speaker 3: used to be because again the IPO all these guys
Speaker 3: playing there, but they also play in front of big
Speaker 3: crowds in there, not ninety or one hundred and twenty thousand,
Speaker 3: but they play their domestic T twenty franchise leagues now
Speaker 3: a massive thing. So if anything, the bigger the crowd,
Speaker 3: the batter because it gives you guys a bigger showcase
Speaker 3: to put on their skills and show how good they
Speaker 3: really are.
Speaker 1: And how much desire would there be for this Africans
Speaker 1: knowing how close they came two years ago to one
Speaker 1: to get that title. I mean, yes, they've had that
Speaker 1: World Test Championship victory, a few of them, but a
Speaker 1: few of them you're David Miller's and your Quentin the Cox,
Speaker 1: Well they weren't there for that, So there must be
Speaker 1: that desire to finally get that piece of silverwere and
Speaker 1: then they can tick it off and be done with
Speaker 1: that monkey on the back.
Speaker 3: Well absolutely, I think that without knowing for sure, but
Speaker 3: that would be to put yourself in such a strong
Speaker 3: position after the disappointment of that last edition. Is that's
Speaker 3: hard to do. Like, it's obviously what every team wants,
Speaker 3: but to them back up in such emphatic styles to
Speaker 3: this point now it kind of means nothing, but I'm
Speaker 3: no doubt at all that, like you said, some of
Speaker 3: the great cricketers of South Africa, especially in white ball,
Speaker 3: haven't ticked off a trophy, So no doubt whatsoever. That's
Speaker 3: driving and going forward and they've done everything right.
Speaker 1: Heading across to the women's side of things, Australia clean
Speaker 1: swept India in the ODI series, which means they've wrapped
Speaker 1: up that multi format series as well with the Test
Speaker 1: match still to play. They were absolutely dominant in this series.
Speaker 1: And I must say after watching that T twenty series
Speaker 1: which India one two to one, I did think, oh wow,
Speaker 1: is this maybe we've got a bit of a changing
Speaker 1: of the guard in Australia. Could this be the time
Speaker 1: that we see Australia finally lose on home soil?
Speaker 2: Not the case. They came back.
Speaker 1: They showed fifty overs is probably their strongest format has
Speaker 1: been for a long time. And yeah, absolutely smashed them
Speaker 1: the other night, didn't they four hundred plus? As you
Speaker 1: touched on Alyssa Heale, Beth Moone, you're getting in another century
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was a total dominant display by the
Speaker 1: Aussie girls was.
Speaker 3: I think you're right in thinking that just with you
Speaker 3: Alyssa's time coming to an end, but also as they
Speaker 3: start to progress and get older, what's coming through. I
Speaker 3: know we've talked about breakout plays and stuff, but you
Speaker 3: never know if that's going to translate to the international stage.
Speaker 3: And it's going to be interesting as they go to
Speaker 3: their next tour pretty much straight away after they wrap
Speaker 3: up this home summer, so there is going to be
Speaker 3: a transition period with obviously the new captain coming in
Speaker 3: in Sofa. She's dealing with her own injury trouble, so
Speaker 3: she's fine for that. But yeah, I think there's enough
Speaker 3: in the cupboard still that they're going to be They're
Speaker 3: going to be fine, And just with the coaching and
Speaker 3: the structures they have set up in this country with
Speaker 3: girls cricket and the grassroots, the pathways and stuff, I
Speaker 3: think I think there's some good times on the horizon still.
Speaker 1: Definitely, we saw a debut for teenager Lucy Hamilton as
Speaker 1: well in that third game. She rolled out in number
Speaker 1: fifty five, Oh nice, which was of course famously worn
Speaker 1: by famously by yourself, Yes, and that did get Mitch
Speaker 1: Stark commenting actually on the broadcast and your name was
Speaker 1: mentioned and he, yeah, gave you a bit.
Speaker 3: Is that why because of the number? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, really Lucy? Did she ask permission to didn't wear
Speaker 2: the fifty five.
Speaker 3: There's not a strong lineage of fifty fives in Australian
Speaker 3: white bool cricket. I think Ben Loughlin was before me. Yep,
Speaker 3: I actually changed my number two fifty five. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: so you've had two. I was forty seven to begin with,
Speaker 3: which wasn't my choice, but there wasn't much available, so
Speaker 3: and yeah, there is this thing in Australian cricket you
Speaker 3: are meant to ask the previous owner of that number,
Speaker 3: and forty seven no one had worn, so I just
Speaker 3: got given that. I think it was my domestic number again,
Speaker 3: and I want to fifty five. I took it without
Speaker 3: telling Ben Laughlin and he hadn't played for Trey. It's
Speaker 3: meant to be a two year I think it's two
Speaker 3: year period. It was over two years i'd played b
Speaker 3: Ben at Adelaide. I thought he was never played for again.
Speaker 3: He thought he was a good chance. He messaged me
Speaker 3: on that tour. I left it on red never got
Speaker 3: back to him. So sorry, Ben, now we're getting stuff
Speaker 3: on the record. Apologies Ben for not asking you for
Speaker 3: fifty five, but Lucy didn't. She didn't need to. I'm
Speaker 3: more than happy for fifty such a good number. Take it.
Speaker 1: Why did you want it so badly? Because Ben was
Speaker 1: so good in it?
Speaker 3: Or you know it's I don't know if this is
Speaker 3: well known, but Kenny Powers, the fictional baseball character he's
Speaker 3: bound it out. It's a show. He's like an old
Speaker 3: pitcher who Yeah, it's a story, but his number was
Speaker 3: fifty five, and when I watched his show as a
Speaker 3: twenty year older, I was like, that's my hero. For
Speaker 3: those who know, Kenny Bowers was my inspiration for number
Speaker 3: fifty five. But it is a strong cricketing number. Ben Stokes,
Speaker 3: Koren Pollard, Yeah, yeah, there you go. Players keep and
Speaker 3: I are.
Speaker 1: And now Lucy Hamilton, there's every chance she'll be the
Speaker 1: best of the lot we've seen from her so far.
Speaker 2: Chance. Okay, let's let's talk about some Shefford Shield.
Speaker 1: We do have Jake Cleban coming up to talk about
Speaker 1: being Domestic Cricketer of the Year and also making a
Speaker 1: move to play for Hampshire full time. So stick around
Speaker 1: for that, but firstly, we've only got two rounds of
Speaker 1: the Shield to come rich oh and although the Victoria
Speaker 1: have locked in their spot in the final, there are
Speaker 1: really a couple of teams who could make it as well.
Speaker 1: So we've got Queensland and South Australia are in second
Speaker 1: and third, and then mathematically Tasmania and New South Wales
Speaker 1: can still make it as well from fourth and fifth,
Speaker 1: so it's a nice way to finish the season. This
Speaker 1: week it's Tasmania, Victoria, South Australia's and New South Wales
Speaker 1: and then Queen's Antique on w A. It all starts
Speaker 1: on Thursday, live streams on Cricket dot Com.
Speaker 2: That are you in the c LA app?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a big round, four teams for one spot.
Speaker 3: It probably is going to be after this round you're
Speaker 3: going to know, really, aren't we? And there's always results
Speaker 3: like the draws kind of gone unless there's raining a round.
Speaker 3: I feel like every every game is a result in
Speaker 3: three days now, so yeah, we'll get a good idea.
Speaker 3: I think I feel like Queensland are in the box
Speaker 3: seat just the way they're playing. They've got w A
Speaker 3: this week. We have struggled this year again, so I
Speaker 3: feel like it is a queens and spot to lose.
Speaker 3: But then s a he just can never never counted
Speaker 3: me out, my old my old fellas. So yeah, with
Speaker 3: Kerry back, New South Wales have they have they named
Speaker 3: their squad if we spoke about it last week for
Speaker 3: the One Day Cup. You just never know who's going
Speaker 3: to go rather the Winter or the World Cup. Allies
Speaker 3: that they put on as they flew back, you never know. Well,
Speaker 3: Sean but will be back for them, so they'll be strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Travis header will be back for Travis Head.
Speaker 3: I was going to mention his name, but you just
Speaker 3: never know with him. So whether he's got like some
Speaker 3: golf appearance on him, oh of course, somewhere in the world.
Speaker 3: He's got a hole in one to think, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can drain puts from forty feet so you
Speaker 2: can do anything.
Speaker 3: You just never know. But also with the management of
Speaker 3: those guys, that's such a big summer with the Ashes
Speaker 3: and the World Cup, so hopefully there is as many
Speaker 3: of those guys back playing as possible.
Speaker 1: With Victoria locked in, Scott Boland is obviously so key
Speaker 1: for them. The word was when he returned after the
Speaker 1: Ashes that he would probably play the final three matches
Speaker 1: of the season. Now though, are you thinking Q and
Speaker 1: the rack for someone like him? He's just so important
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: He also played five tests indn' he of the Ashes,
Speaker 3: so you don't need thirty six. It needs to be
Speaker 3: a management plan. It would be nice for him to
Speaker 3: play every game, but I don't think they need him
Speaker 3: to maybe play this one and have Round ten often
Speaker 3: and keep him in Melbourne and get him ready for
Speaker 3: what it is a massive game for them, So I
Speaker 3: would know better than us, but I would dare say
Speaker 3: you can miss a game count.
Speaker 1: He's probably he's not going to lose form off missing
Speaker 1: one round.
Speaker 3: I think you could miss a year and get out
Speaker 3: of bed without bowling and still just running the top
Speaker 3: of off, you know, one hundred and twenty times in
Speaker 3: a day and not lose any pace. So yeah, give
Speaker 3: him a game off.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: So Queensland they have a zero point nine to five
Speaker 1: point buffer, so less than one point over South Australia.
Speaker 1: We've got the full run home rundown on cricket dot
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Speaker 1: every state is landing ahead of Thursday's round nine. Get
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Speaker 1: by the Men's Domestic Cricketer of the Year Jake Leman.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast mate. How's it all going over
Speaker 1: there in Adelaide.
Speaker 2: No, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: It's it's an enjoyable time in adelade at the moment
Speaker 5: and some good cricket to hopefully finish the year.
Speaker 1: Was it a surprise to be named the Domestic Cricketer
Speaker 1: of the Year.
Speaker 5: I knew that I had had a pretty good calendar
Speaker 5: year overall, but yeah, I guess when it's voted by
Speaker 5: your peers and people that you play against and probably
Speaker 5: some of the players that I look up to too
Speaker 5: along the way as well. To get the recognition over
Speaker 5: some other players that magnificent years as well is probably
Speaker 5: something special at all look back on.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: I was looking through your stats and six of your
Speaker 1: fifteen Sheffield Chield hundreds have come in the past two seasons,
Speaker 1: so it's been a real goal and run. What do
Speaker 1: you sort of put that down to? Is something changed
Speaker 1: or is something clicked that wasn't there before.
Speaker 5: I just think there's a multiple, like a multiple things
Speaker 5: that have kind of come together. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: Ryan Harrison taking over as coach has probably freed me
Speaker 5: up and probably gave me a few home trills about
Speaker 5: what to do, probably a slight changing technique with Stevens
Speaker 5: others and a few other batting coaches around how I
Speaker 5: want to play my cricket and then probably lastly just
Speaker 5: going back to enjoying it and you know, playing cricket
Speaker 5: for the right reason, right reason and just trying to
Speaker 5: enjoy every moment and every game and try and do
Speaker 5: the right thing for the team and play for you
Speaker 5: with a smile on my face, which has been highly enjoyable.
Speaker 5: And you know it's probably come with a few wins
Speaker 5: along the way. And last year was awesome for South Australia.
Speaker 5: So yeah, a combination of things, but yeah, it's all
Speaker 5: kind of trended in the right direction late in my career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: Would you say that there was a period there where
Speaker 1: you just weren't enjoying cricketer? Is that sort of maybe
Speaker 1: why you've been able to recognize that you really are
Speaker 1: enjoying it now.
Speaker 5: I just think at times, you know, I think throughout
Speaker 5: my career at Soustralia, we probably rode some highs pretty
Speaker 5: early when I was younger and didn't quite get an
Speaker 5: overall win, and there was some low lows I think
Speaker 5: as a team and trying to lead players through that
Speaker 5: period and trying to come out the other side of that.
Speaker 2: Probably I wouldn't say that I love cricket.
Speaker 5: I will always love cricket, but probably didn't realize how
Speaker 5: much of a toll it takes on you mentally to
Speaker 5: try and stay upbeat and stay positive and you know,
Speaker 5: try and keep driving that team forward.
Speaker 2: So probably just a few of those.
Speaker 5: Pressures released and you know you're rocking up and training
Speaker 5: and you're just focusing on yourself and what you have
Speaker 5: to do to prepare to to play well.
Speaker 2: And I think that's really threwed me up again. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm sure one of your career highlights must have been
Speaker 1: that sho Would Final last year. You got that century
Speaker 1: in the first innings and obviously it was a drought
Speaker 1: breaking victory. Can you take us back to that match?
Speaker 1: And now that we're nearly a year on, has has
Speaker 1: it sunk in that you were part of history for
Speaker 1: your state.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was an awesome day. You know,
Speaker 5: it was an awesome year to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I think we continue to build it all year and
Speaker 5: we played probably the best cricket were probably were the
Speaker 5: best team all year. So it was just one of
Speaker 5: those rewards for you know a lot of hard work
Speaker 5: over probably like the three or four years before that,
Speaker 5: like I was saying, from all the boys and everything
Speaker 5: just kind of clicked and you know, to see to
Speaker 5: see Karen Rolton the way it was and to see
Speaker 5: everyone rock up and you know give back to South
Speaker 5: Australian cricket for what's given us over the last little beer.
Speaker 5: That was probably the proudest moment from me saying all
Speaker 5: the family and friends and all the staff and the
Speaker 5: background and you know, all the past players that have
Speaker 5: tried their best to over this period of time to
Speaker 5: recreate that.
Speaker 2: So just the whole area of it was awesome.
Speaker 5: And you know at the moment, you know, we've just
Speaker 5: kind of missed out on the one day final making that,
Speaker 5: so you know that's the probably first kicking teef we've
Speaker 5: kind of as a team and probably driving us in
Speaker 5: these last couple of rounds to try and put some
Speaker 5: really good performance on the board and make sure we're
Speaker 5: playing in that Shield final against Victoria.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean a century in a winning Shield
Speaker 1: final though. That's the stuff of dreams, isn't it. Is
Speaker 1: that as good as it gets in terms of being
Speaker 1: a domestic player.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's one thing I always get compared
Speaker 5: to my old man, so I'm happy to bring this
Speaker 5: one up.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he has one of them.
Speaker 5: So you know, there's not many things that I that
Speaker 5: I can beat him at statistically wise, but that's one
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was just awesome.
Speaker 5: I think the game situation and where the game was heading,
Speaker 5: and you know, the form leading and I'd probably been
Speaker 5: consistently doing that in those situations, so to do it
Speaker 5: in you know, the Shefferdsfield Final of all places, is
Speaker 5: something that you can look back on and go like,
Speaker 5: you know, I was ready and I performed in you know,
Speaker 5: one of the toughest, high pressure games.
Speaker 2: That's brilliant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now we heard a month or so ago that you're
Speaker 1: going to be taking up a contract with Hampshire as
Speaker 1: a local player. I believe you've got a British passport,
Speaker 1: So can you talk us through how that deal sort
Speaker 1: of came about and what it means for your cricket now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an opportunity that we've been probably looking at
Speaker 5: for the last couple of years and just trying to
Speaker 5: explore the opportunity for me to continue to play cricket
Speaker 5: and continue to branch out and try new things.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, my mum was.
Speaker 5: Actually fully British born, She's a British citizen. So I've
Speaker 5: had the British passport and been over and played for
Speaker 5: Yorkshire and Lancashire before using the passport. So you know,
Speaker 5: it was just a cool that kind of came out
Speaker 5: of the blue, and it was an opportunity that I
Speaker 5: wanted to jump out and take with both hands.
Speaker 2: And lucky enough that Soccer Soccer.
Speaker 5: Have supported it to be able to come back, can
Speaker 5: play another year here, and you know, just I just
Speaker 5: want to keep learning and keep going and keep spreading,
Speaker 5: spreading my love for the game of cricket.
Speaker 2: Why it's going well. So I'm super excited to get over.
Speaker 5: There and Giles and the staff and all the players
Speaker 5: over there. I'm excited to make them and hopefully have
Speaker 5: an impact and make them a better cricket team.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, So I mean, as you said, you've been
Speaker 1: over there and played before, but this was an approach
Speaker 1: that they made to you. Was that they put on
Speaker 1: the table and said come over here and and be
Speaker 1: a local player for us.
Speaker 5: Yeah we've been, We've been reaching in and seeing if
Speaker 5: anyone was keen also, So I was definitely a two
Speaker 5: way street and you know, conversations that probably hadn't previously.
Speaker 2: This probably didn't What.
Speaker 5: The timing wasn't quite right was you know, I've got
Speaker 5: two young kids and you know the ability to travel
Speaker 5: over there and all these small little things that come up.
Speaker 5: So the timing was probably right for me as a
Speaker 5: player and as a person in my life situation. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I jumped at it with both hands.
Speaker 2: What do you think you want to achieve from this
Speaker 2: new role? I suppose Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I want to make Hampshire a better
Speaker 5: team first and foremost, and the goal is to keep
Speaker 5: winning stuff. I think at my age now there you
Speaker 5: know what drives me is trying to win county championships
Speaker 5: or the one Days or the Blast or Sheffield Shields.
Speaker 5: That's kind of what I've turned My focus to is
Speaker 5: trying to win as many games as I can. And
Speaker 5: you know, what do you remember players for? And it's
Speaker 5: probably the players that win stuff probably get recognized the
Speaker 5: most at the back end of their career once they're gone.
Speaker 5: So they're the things that I've really tried to achieve
Speaker 5: and hopefully that's something that I can do.
Speaker 2: And on the flip side of that.
Speaker 5: Hopefully I can learn some stuff that they do over
Speaker 5: there a little bit different to what I could do,
Speaker 5: and hopefully I can bring that back here and implement
Speaker 5: that also and makes southtral a better cricket team when
Speaker 5: I get bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was going to ask, does this mean
Speaker 1: that you'll now be playing as an overseas player for
Speaker 1: South Australia or is that a conversation you've had with
Speaker 1: the SAKA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would mean that I would have to play
Speaker 5: as an overseas players.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that looks a little bit different.
Speaker 5: But I know there's a few few players in the
Speaker 5: past that have done and Mark Cosgrove's done it before.
Speaker 5: You know, we've had boats do it over here. We've
Speaker 5: had Charlie Henphy up in Queensland. I think he did it.
Speaker 5: I think Sam Whiteman's going to do it as well,
Speaker 5: so it's not uncommon, but it's just probably not as
Speaker 5: put out there is as much as other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and well you're old man. You mentioned him before,
Speaker 1: but he'll be coaching over there again again this season,
Speaker 1: won't he.
Speaker 2: So will you be facing it? Are you in the
Speaker 2: same division?
Speaker 5: No, they're in Division two and Hampshire and Division one,
Speaker 5: so I don't think we actually have any scheduled games
Speaker 5: against them unless we see them in a in a
Speaker 5: finals game somewhere along the line.
Speaker 1: Okay, no doubt your part will cross at some point,
Speaker 1: as you touched on New South Wales and Victoria to
Speaker 1: finish the season for you guys here in the Sheffield Shield,
Speaker 1: going for back to back, probably going to need to
Speaker 1: win both of those games. What's the mood around those
Speaker 1: around the group at the minute in terms of yeah,
Speaker 1: making that final and taking on the vis in the decider.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I think the Queensland Shield game for
Speaker 5: us was a really good step forward, playing some really
Speaker 5: good cricket and then on the back of that then
Speaker 5: we we've got that little kicking the taste for not
Speaker 5: being able to make that one day Final. So the
Speaker 5: drive is definitely there from the playing group and I
Speaker 5: feel like hopefully in the last two games we'll have
Speaker 5: a pretty strong squad with some player availability coming back
Speaker 5: so from from the World Cup, which which will be
Speaker 5: awesome to strengthen and hopefully this week is a massive
Speaker 5: game against New South Wales. You know they're fighting for
Speaker 5: a spot and they're playing in the One day Final,
Speaker 5: so that they've got things to prove and you know
Speaker 5: they're playing some good, strong cricket as well.
Speaker 2: So but the thing is is still probably up to.
Speaker 5: Us and it's on our terms and that's that's one
Speaker 5: thing that we want to continue going into the last round.
Speaker 5: We want it to be us needing to win or
Speaker 5: us needing to get the points that we want. We
Speaker 5: don't want to rely on any results. So this week
Speaker 5: is probably massive for us.
Speaker 1: And one of those guys coming back from the World
Speaker 1: couple we Ben Menenti. How cool is it to see
Speaker 1: a teammate to go about their business on the world stage.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you've got Travis Head and Alex Carey
Speaker 1: who do it so much for Australia, but this is
Speaker 1: a bit of a different one for Italy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, just that just shows you
Speaker 5: how good cricket can be and how you know a
Speaker 5: different path to get to the highest level. And the
Speaker 5: play a T twenty World Cup in India is something
Speaker 5: that you're probably not going to get to do in March,
Speaker 5: and for him to do it with his hurry's brother
Speaker 5: and a couple of his best mates and you know
Speaker 5: everyone back here we were watching every every game.
Speaker 2: You know, you.
Speaker 5: Probably weren't sure if they're going to win or not,
Speaker 5: but you know, he went out there and I think
Speaker 5: he was the most influential impact player of the mine around,
Speaker 5: so you know, the support was there and it just
Speaker 5: shows you how you know, if you if you get
Speaker 5: these opportunities to perform against England, and you know, it
Speaker 5: would have been.
Speaker 2: Cooled to probably see Italy play Australia.
Speaker 5: That would have been great if heat he was boln
Speaker 5: ben he was boling a heavy or something that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just it was.
Speaker 5: Really cool to see and proud of the way that
Speaker 5: they probably carry themselves.
Speaker 1: Mostly Yeah, absolutely, yeah, they did really well and no
Speaker 1: doubt we'll see them again. I was just looking back
Speaker 1: through your record. Obviously you've played for the SAKA for
Speaker 1: ten years now and ten years ago in your third
Speaker 1: Shield match a double century against Tasmania. What do you
Speaker 1: member is like that much? Because yeah, amazing to be
Speaker 1: to pull off such a big scorer, so really in
Speaker 1: your career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a long time ago now, but you know,
Speaker 5: it was one of those things when you're probably a
Speaker 5: little bit younger and you're taking things for a little
Speaker 5: bit of a little bit granted, but I do remember
Speaker 5: one moment of that game. I think, you know, we're
Speaker 5: I think we're three for fifty odd and I battered
Speaker 5: all day with Callen Ferguson. We were getting close to
Speaker 5: the end of the day and they took the new
Speaker 5: ball and I think, I think I would have been
Speaker 5: on one hundred and sixty, one hundred and seventy or
Speaker 5: something like that, and I started to.
Speaker 2: Get a bit loose and a bit of carry on.
Speaker 5: You know, I thought of done my job, and I
Speaker 5: just remember further like pure my head, and he goes,
Speaker 5: we've got something amazing to do here. We get through
Speaker 5: the night, we get through this new ball. You know,
Speaker 5: we could boys get double hundreds tomorrow night. You know,
Speaker 5: it was just one thing that I was like, all right,
Speaker 5: I'm going to remember that because you know, it was
Speaker 5: a way that someone else can help you at the
Speaker 5: other end, help the team, don't expose anyone else that night.
Speaker 5: You know, all those small little team fundamentals came into
Speaker 5: that moment. So yeah, that's one thing I do remember
Speaker 5: of it, and it was a bit of It was
Speaker 5: a bit of a run fast enough. I think George
Speaker 5: Bailey got a hundred. I think Ben Dunk got a hundred,
Speaker 5: but we won. So yeah, it was one of the
Speaker 5: one of the good wins that we had during that
Speaker 5: early part of my career.
Speaker 1: Mate, you shouldn't be telling people was a run fast.
Speaker 1: You should be telling people it was an absolute mindfield
Speaker 1: and you've got two hundred.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to ask because we had Alex Carey.
Speaker 1: He was on the Big Bash Surge podcast during the
Speaker 1: Big Bash season and he mentioned his Big Bash debut
Speaker 1: for the Strikers involved you. You were there in that
Speaker 1: match and you got the wicked of Shane Watson in
Speaker 1: that match. I just wanted to get good memories of
Speaker 1: getting out the Great Wadow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Out of all the stories that I probably tell over
Speaker 5: my Big Beast journey, it's probably the one that I
Speaker 5: bring up the most. That's probably the reason is remembered
Speaker 5: it is because I've probably said it fifty times.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I loved that it was.
Speaker 5: It was at that time I was trying to bowl
Speaker 5: a little bit more, but my bowling wasn't that great.
Speaker 5: But I was trying to find a way to contribute
Speaker 5: to the games in T twenty cricket. And you know
Speaker 5: the wicket was wasn't that great. I think It's Shorely
Speaker 5: had got like six for eight.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 5: It was spinning and I bowl I bowled a pretty
Speaker 5: bad ball and what I hit it straight up and
Speaker 5: Benny Carter and Jason Sanger that's come across. He was
Speaker 5: actually at the Thunder at the time and he reckons
Speaker 5: it's one of what those biggest bloops that he's ever
Speaker 5: And yeah, he probably doesn't remember it, but I definitely do.
Speaker 1: Oh mate, that's definitely something to hang your hat on.
Speaker 1: I mean, forget about winning the Sheffield Jill though, mean
Speaker 1: you've got Shane Watson out in a big best game.
Speaker 2: So that's it.
Speaker 1: Awesome mate. Well, really appreciate your time. All the best
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season and good luck over
Speaker 1: there in England Ham she I hope it goes well
Speaker 1: and yeah, hopefully you set a new legacy over there
Speaker 1: in the UK.
Speaker 2: No, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: So the domestic Cricketer of the Year Jake Leman. What
Speaker 1: a purple patch he's been in. Obviously, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of talent at the start of his career, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned to him, a double century in his third
Speaker 1: match ever.
Speaker 2: But just the last couple of years he's just been
Speaker 2: on another level.
Speaker 1: I think it was four matches in a row he
Speaker 1: got a century at the end of last season, including
Speaker 1: in the final. Talk about big, big game player and
Speaker 1: peaking at the right time as well. That's so important,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's such an amazing story for his agent. It
Speaker 3: was halfway through last year. I think he was probably
Speaker 3: treading water, looking like it was the end of it,
Speaker 3: to be honest, and he would probably admit that I
Speaker 3: don't know if you did in that chart. I don't
Speaker 3: think he did. But and I remember even my time
Speaker 3: then when I left, I still felt he was you
Speaker 3: know that guy, he's just on the edge over thirty,
Speaker 3: not going to play for Australia at this point. It's
Speaker 3: just such an like it's a famous name in South
Speaker 3: stra cricket. But I felt like his time was coming
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden he's just gone to
Speaker 3: career best form. So happy because he's one of the
Speaker 3: great guys in the room, Like he's so universally liked
Speaker 3: in this Australia wide love like no one has a
Speaker 3: bad way to say about him. He's a great fellow,
Speaker 3: great team man, super professional, does everything right. But to
Speaker 3: also just get a trophy again famous name is South
Speaker 3: Australian cricket to follow on that lineage of Darren but
Speaker 3: do it his own way now as well. Like he's
Speaker 3: he's There's just you can't say too many good things
Speaker 3: about him because it is such an amazing turnaround to
Speaker 3: win Domestic Player of the Year. Now have a gig
Speaker 3: lined up with Hamshare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Thirty three, thirty four, whatevery years. He's in the best
Speaker 3: nick of his life. So yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 3: else to say other than he's just it's probably been
Speaker 3: ten years of really hard graft and on the edge
Speaker 3: a performance here, performance there. All of a sudden you
Speaker 3: just shows you can never give up on people because
Speaker 3: you just never know what's around the corner. So yeah,
Speaker 3: super proud of him. Is yeah, as I've said, a
Speaker 3: great fella, one of the great team guys, celebrates everyone's
Speaker 3: success even if you know he doesn't perform. I remember
Speaker 3: that two hundred actually as well. I wasn't there, but
Speaker 3: I remember speaking to George Bailey, I think he was
Speaker 3: captain of Tasmania and I messaged him that night and
Speaker 3: I said, like to talk to me and he goes,
Speaker 3: it's almost as if our bowlers didn't know the cut
Speaker 3: shot existed. So we bowled there all day and at
Speaker 3: that stage with Jake Lehman's career, that's literally that's all
Speaker 3: he had was a cut shot. Yeah, and he hit
Speaker 3: two hundred runs with a cut shot, and George was
Speaker 3: just scratching his head thinking it's like these guys just
Speaker 3: wanted to keep seeing this new shot that had been
Speaker 3: invented that day, so they kept bowling there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he was on the edge of Australian selection.
Speaker 3: He was spoken about after that. Yeah, he was in
Speaker 3: Australia a selection as a young early twenties kid. And then,
Speaker 3: as I said, that kind of dip came and then
Speaker 3: he was treading water. So yeah, amazing story.
Speaker 1: And the cuts shot still a strength of him, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, but.
Speaker 3: Well and talking about that though, like it's funny because
Speaker 3: he's it's still such a strong sholt of his and guys,
Speaker 3: I remember when we'd come up against Victoria, we'd have
Speaker 3: Head and Leman in the middle order and they would
Speaker 3: literally bowl cut shots but put it was like the
Speaker 3: old Damian Martin field where you bowled his strength, but
Speaker 3: put all the field in there. Put in. They put
Speaker 3: in like four slips, two gullies catching point deep point,
Speaker 3: So they're like, if you want to play it, you
Speaker 3: might get a single for it. We also think you're
Speaker 3: gonna nick it. So it's amazing, like you can have
Speaker 3: success now as you get older and everyone knows your
Speaker 3: game that well. But he's almost evolved. He's added again
Speaker 3: upskill just out of different areas. He's never going to
Speaker 3: lose a cut shot as a strength. But it just
Speaker 3: shows like I don't know, people can plan for you
Speaker 3: for so long and I think they've got it all
Speaker 3: worked out, there's still ways you can get better and
Speaker 3: keep performing well.
Speaker 1: David Seka, who was bowling coach of England during the Ashes,
Speaker 1: he actually mentioned that plan that they had the vis
Speaker 1: back in the data Travis hid and they tried it
Speaker 1: a bit during the Ashes series.
Speaker 2: Might work out so well.
Speaker 3: With mysteries, better now than when he was that young
Speaker 3: South Australian captain because they played on ego a bit
Speaker 3: as well, and again we were a young group and
Speaker 3: Heeddy was like a twenty two year old captain who
Speaker 3: wasn't thinking a lot and probably still doesn't. But after
Speaker 3: probably ten balls of Scott Bowland bowling it out there,
Speaker 3: he just would chase one in nick it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I guess that's probably why it becomes such a good
Speaker 3: player now, is those those domestic battles against Cam White,
Speaker 3: who's such an amazing cricket brain, you know, going through
Speaker 3: that stuff again, he's preparing these guys for future success
Speaker 3: and that's again showed in Limo and Hetty's case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Limo talked about, you know, falling out of
Speaker 1: love of the game a bit there as well, which
Speaker 1: is totally understandable when you're not making runs and South
Speaker 1: Australia weren't winning a lot of games in the Shield
Speaker 1: through that period either, So great to see him come
Speaker 1: back and obviously rEFInd that love and then under Bryan
Speaker 1: Harris's leadership. They've become a real force again. So things
Speaker 1: can turn around very quickly in this game.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think the other thing he dealt with he
Speaker 3: was the older guy where before I left, But then
Speaker 3: after that, you know, Chad Say has left, Joe Mani,
Speaker 3: Tom Cooper, Callum Ferguson probably missing someone in there. But
Speaker 3: Adam Zamper so a lot of older guys that he
Speaker 3: was mates with and friends with Ashley left and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he was hanging out with really young
Speaker 3: guys Alex Cary, who they're really good mates, but he
Speaker 3: was off playing for austral All of a sudden, it
Speaker 3: can become quite a foreign place. You've got all these
Speaker 3: guys coming from into state. So saying he fell out
Speaker 3: of love with the game isn't surprising because it probably
Speaker 3: didn't feel like the change room that he used to
Speaker 3: be in. All of a sudden, you've got these new
Speaker 3: guys coming in. But then all of a sudden you
Speaker 3: grow with that. Alex Cary comes back, you're in a
Speaker 3: shill final, new coach comes in that you love. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a great story of perseverance and again, as I said,
Speaker 3: a great team man so well deserved.
Speaker 1: And now he's going to have to play as an
Speaker 1: overseas player, yeah for his home state, which must be
Speaker 1: such a weird situation to be in. But he's signed
Speaker 1: a two year deal with Hampshire to play as a
Speaker 1: local player. As he touched on, his mother is British
Speaker 1: and passport, so that's a fun, new, exciting opportunity. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jacob thirty four in in June or July in mid
Speaker 1: this year, so I guess he's thinking about his future
Speaker 1: and setting himself up for his family. And we've also
Speaker 1: heard that Sam Weiman is going to do the same thing,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's something that will start to see a
Speaker 1: bit more of from the AUSSI guys.
Speaker 3: What's a good option to have If you have the option,
Speaker 3: like we just saw ben an Ency go play a
Speaker 3: World Cup for Italy, So if you've got the option
Speaker 3: with a passport to go play more cricket, and it's
Speaker 3: not like, guys, they're going to look at them differently
Speaker 3: in the change room and they come back because they're
Speaker 3: an overseas player. Maybe they should have to wear an
Speaker 3: armband or like a different colored number as like an
Speaker 3: Alpha status, but a different helmet, different helmet. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: got to wear their county helmet, but put some tape
Speaker 3: over it or something. But it's they're going to be
Speaker 3: welcome back. It's no one cares that they're an overseas player.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like so to get the option to go play county cricket.
Speaker 3: His dad's got such a strong history in the county game.
Speaker 3: Guys used to do it all the time, didn't they
Speaker 3: back in that era where they'd go over there and
Speaker 3: make a thousand runs every every winter. So it's almost
Speaker 3: nice that we're seeing guys do that again more. And
Speaker 3: then also to have overseas players come back and play
Speaker 3: Shield cricket because that used to be a more common
Speaker 3: thing that it is now. We haven't had an overseas
Speaker 3: playing the Shield for a long time. So yeah, more
Speaker 3: cricket the battle.
Speaker 1: I know that the English fans aren't super happy with
Speaker 1: the situation that we have that it seems like the
Speaker 1: Aussies can go over freely and then when an English
Speaker 1: play wants to come over here and play, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of a harder process to work out. But you
Speaker 1: know that's we've only got six states, so it's not
Speaker 1: like we've got heaps of spots to fill over here.
Speaker 3: But still if Joe Root rang Queensland tomorrow, it's like,
Speaker 3: I want to come play Shield next year. Do you
Speaker 3: think they're going to say no?
Speaker 2: They'd make it work.
Speaker 3: They'd make it work. So I know Jake Gleaman and
Speaker 3: Sam Wyman aren't Joe Rude, but it's still at that point.
Speaker 3: If someone's going to want to come and make your
Speaker 3: team better and it's going to help their development but
Speaker 3: also going to help the players around so it's benefit
Speaker 3: for everyone, then I'm sure people would listen. So like
Speaker 3: Andy Flower used to do it for the South Australia.
Speaker 3: Remember Unis cahn't did it?
Speaker 2: Did you play with Unice?
Speaker 3: I didn't play with him, but I was training and
Speaker 3: the things guys learned from him at training, like that's
Speaker 3: the valuable experience that you draw from that and we
Speaker 3: see it all the time in the Big Bash. So
Speaker 3: that argument doesn't really apply to T twenty cricket, but
Speaker 3: it does for Fordy cricket. I don't think it should
Speaker 3: because it makes people better and I'm sure Jake part
Speaker 3: of his deal is that when he goes to Hampshire
Speaker 3: he's got a bit of a duty to you know,
Speaker 3: the young kids coming through at Hampshire. He's going to
Speaker 3: help you, provide them with opportunities to get better as well.
Speaker 2: So this is how to play the cut shot.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, maybe they haven't discovered the cut shot like
Speaker 3: Tasmania hadn't that day. So I think this benefit for everyone.
Speaker 3: So I think those people that get their nose out
Speaker 3: of joints probably not right.
Speaker 1: So, as we touched on the Big Four, this week
Speaker 1: is going to be part time bowlers, part time balls
Speaker 1: who should be bowling more. That's the general theme of
Speaker 1: today's because we saw Alissa Healey bowl. I think we've
Speaker 1: seen her bowling enough and Jake Lemon. We also spoken
Speaker 1: about that famous wicket in the Big Bash getting out
Speaker 1: Shane Watson. I mean, if you're only going to get
Speaker 1: one wicket, you may as well pretty good by someone
Speaker 1: like So I will take it away this week. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've got your own thoughts, but you did it
Speaker 1: last week. So I'll start off with my four and
Speaker 1: I'll just put out there on the record. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people might say Matt Renshaw, Travis Head,
Speaker 1: those sort of guys. I think we're seeing the ball
Speaker 1: about the right amount I reckon. Nathan McSweeney is someone
Speaker 1: who's under bold. He always seems to get wickets when
Speaker 1: he bowls with his right arm off spin, so I
Speaker 1: like him. Campbell Callaway is someone we might see a
Speaker 1: bit more of in the future left arm spin. I
Speaker 1: like what I've seen from him so far, and I mean,
Speaker 1: Victoria have so many options with the ball, so he's
Speaker 1: not getting much of a look at, but there's something there.
Speaker 1: There's something there. I found it hard to find meny
Speaker 1: on the women's side of things, just because they've got
Speaker 1: so many great all rounders and you know if you're
Speaker 1: an all rounder, you're going to be a part timer.
Speaker 1: But one who came to mind was act captain Carli Leeson. Now,
Speaker 1: she is a very good medium pace bowler and would
Speaker 1: be considered all round it but she started to bowl
Speaker 1: leg spin as well right this season. So when we
Speaker 1: saw her play Queensland earlier in the year, she would
Speaker 1: bowl leg spin to the right handers and bowl meeting
Speaker 1: pace to the left hand very manusay bit manus bit
Speaker 1: bow Webster webster. So I want to see more of
Speaker 1: Carlie bowl the leg spin because there's definite potential there
Speaker 1: and we love a leg spin. And then my final
Speaker 1: one going back a few years Mike Cussie another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: medium paces like his Test wickets include Sanga Kara and
Speaker 1: I think maybe Teller Cratney Dilshan as well, so he
Speaker 1: definitely had potential. Didn't bowl a lot, but I reckon
Speaker 1: he could get it in the right spot. So that's
Speaker 1: my big four.
Speaker 3: What was Kumara on that day? He's on a few,
Speaker 3: wasn't he.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have to check it out, but I did like
Speaker 1: his technique he discrediting.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he's still got I've never got him
Speaker 3: out so it still counts.
Speaker 2: It counts. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3: Used to love it when Ponting would bowl Damian Mahn. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it almost feel like there should be a little how
Speaker 3: do we get them bowling more because you know it
Speaker 3: is people probably disagree.
Speaker 1: The crowd goes up though when man gets.
Speaker 3: Thrown maybe yeah, I guess so. I think it's more
Speaker 3: like when you heap.
Speaker 2: Was a lot. Especially now these captains.
Speaker 3: All the time, it's like bowling first change. It's more
Speaker 3: those those guys who was like once every three years
Speaker 3: you've seen Bolt especially, I think it's more you never
Speaker 3: see guys bowld medium pace, but that a part times,
Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, so you have a median pace part
Speaker 3: time is yeah, like you're hussy. Yeah, it is pretty rare.
Speaker 2: So did you have any others to mention that.
Speaker 3: Hoddy Wade was a good part time media?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Bold good bouncers hate facing him with the nets.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: The speaker and said he was one hundred and thirty?
Speaker 1: Was he genuinely always had a bit.
Speaker 2: Of mayo on that. Was that in the game in
Speaker 2: the top at one thirty in the test match?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. Adrenaline he's like that little bulldog.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. A bit of adrenaline. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: Nick Maddison was under has been under used for years,
Speaker 3: even for the thunder this year. I was like he
Speaker 3: should be bowling, like I've had fifteen spinners. But he
Speaker 3: always got There were times at the Renegades when we
Speaker 3: were at our lowest lowest where I would bowl the
Speaker 3: first Sojo Sergio and he'd come to me and said,
Speaker 3: who about the second? I was like, I think you
Speaker 3: should so sorry to the other boys that were playing,
Speaker 3: but he got it done.
Speaker 1: But you're also at your lowest there, but you're also
Speaker 1: at your higher so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, like we Yeah, there
Speaker 3: was a young team. Give it to an experienced guy,
Speaker 3: Cam Green in twenty twenty Internationals part time.
Speaker 2: He doesn't bowl at all, really does he?
Speaker 3: And then all timers Marcus North Oh wow, okay, someone
Speaker 3: in caddag yep, cat yeah put it easily been a
Speaker 3: front liner.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember facing him in Sheil Cricket early on. I
Speaker 3: was petrified.
Speaker 2: Right left arm legs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also just the demeanor of the man. He
Speaker 3: was captain of new so far as angry.
Speaker 2: He would have been fierce and.
Speaker 3: He was bowling because the bowlers weren't getting it done.
Speaker 3: So Tom Cooper was another one actually bbl oh yeah,
Speaker 3: take the first over for a lots would bowl the
Speaker 3: first over and had a real good knack of getting
Speaker 3: a wicket like a Brendan McCallum, like a big wicket.
Speaker 3: He'd go one for none or none for three or
Speaker 3: and wouldn't bowler fans. But that was some of the
Speaker 3: names I had just in case you didn't get him.
Speaker 3: But I reckon it's a pretty good list.
Speaker 1: That's good, okay, Well, well, were keen to hear our listeners.
Speaker 1: It's best part timers as well. I had one Overseasar
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Route, Yeah I had him here too.
Speaker 2: He should have barred more.
Speaker 1: And as just absolute he's a really good bowler and
Speaker 1: probably England's best spinner at the minute.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what they were thinking there, but.
Speaker 3: I do wonder if I always put myself in this situation.
Speaker 3: If I was a really great batsman and the bowlers
Speaker 3: weren't getting it done, I'd be like, I'm not bowling
Speaker 3: because you're That's like me having about three because you
Speaker 3: guys can't make runs. Like that's kind Do you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I do, like it shouldn't be to
Speaker 2: your like you know, it's hard.
Speaker 3: I'm facing Mitchell Stark all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the backs.
Speaker 3: Last thing I need to be doing ten to fifteen.
Speaker 3: I's a part of that. But I don't know the
Speaker 3: personality you probably wanted to.
Speaker 1: Bow There aren't too many batters though who don't love
Speaker 1: to get the ball.
Speaker 2: Surely, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Reckon it's one of those things. They say that and
Speaker 3: then they have to start bowling and they're like, this
Speaker 3: is why I put so much time into my batting
Speaker 3: and never practice bowling in the nets or at training.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's one of those things that
Speaker 3: sounds good to say, but it's.
Speaker 1: Pretty good list send them into podcasts at cricket dot
Speaker 1: com dot au if you've got some more, And yeah,
Speaker 1: we might read out some of the best options next
Speaker 1: week as well on the show.
Speaker 3: So that'll just about do us for this week. I
Speaker 3: reckon rich Od pretty good. It's almost like rain break
Speaker 3: in the cricket that we're just finding content.
Speaker 2: Were we Oh, pretty good?
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Do we want to lock in who's going to win
Speaker 1: those semi finals so we can come back to it
Speaker 1: next week?
Speaker 2: You go, I'm going to say South Africa.
Speaker 3: England, I'm going to have to say the same.
Speaker 2: Really, no India.
Speaker 3: Then I just feel like the way of expectation, it
Speaker 3: probably will come back egg on our face. But I
Speaker 3: feel like England just they're quietly somehow we don't like it,
Speaker 3: but they're going under the radar and I feel like
Speaker 3: they're peaking.
Speaker 2: It's not often that we're in a grains so you.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe you should change my answer there.
Speaker 1: You can lock in whatever you want no, I'll go
Speaker 1: the same right, good stuff, See you next week.
Speaker 2: Thanks Josh,