1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcotin woman from Gadighal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Wednesday, 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: the fifteenth of February. 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: Almost twenty thousand refugees on temporary visas will be granted 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: permanent residency status. That is, under a new pathway announced 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: by the federal government. 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: This week, nineteen thousand refugees on temporary visas will become 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 4: permanent residents. The coalition government scrapped the contentious temporary protection visa. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: Coalition it is slamming the move, accusing the government of 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: risking a fresh wave of boat rivals. 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: While this will allow for some refugees to permanently settle 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: here in Australia, it doesn't signal any meaningful change in 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: the government's overall immigration policy. Now we're going to get 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: into that in the deep dive for verse am. What 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: did Clare O'Neil have to say? 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: Yesterday? The Home Affairs Minister has said the home of 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: in Iranian Australian was being surveiled by foreign forces late 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: last year. Those conducting the surveillance were then disrupted by 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: the Australian Security Intelligence Organization and we know them as AZIO. 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: She said all of this in an address to the 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: Australian National University yesterday, and she also said the government 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: wouldn't tolerate Australians or visitors being watched and tracked by 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: foreign governments on our soil. 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: The ABC's ombardsman has found that a radio report breached 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: its own impartiality and accuracy standards. The report was on 32 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: an Alice Springs town meeting to address rising crime rates 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: earlier this year. The ombardsman found the story unduly favored 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: perspectives which suggested the meeting was racist, and that it 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: didn't make reasonable efforts to present material facts in context. 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 3: The provisional suspension issued to Olympian Peter Bowl has been lifted. 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: The suspension came after Bowl tested positive for a banned 38 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: substance last month, but a second test did not confirm 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: the initial test's findings. Bol said it was hard to 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: describe his relief and maintains he was innocent and the 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: good news. 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: An anonymous person from Pakistan has donated the equivalent of 43 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: forty three million Australian dollars for the victims of the 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: Turkier and Syria earthquakes. The donation was made at the 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: Turkish embassy in the US, with Pakistani PM Shabaz Sharif 46 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: saying he was deeply. 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: Moved by the act. 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: Almost twenty thousand refugees on temporary visas will be granted 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: permanent residency status under a new pathway announced by the 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: federal government earlier this week. This change means that they 51 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: won't have to keep applying for visas, and they'll have 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: the right to stay in Australia and at some point 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: even apply to become a citizen. The government said that 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: it makes no sense to keep these people in limbo. 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So who's this new pathway available to? 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: I think before answering that, it's important to say that 57 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: this is a very complex system understanding the different visa classes. 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it was incredibly difficult even just pulling together 59 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: this episode to understand the different classes. So I can 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: imagine for people trying to work through it, especially if 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: English is a second language, there would be even more difficult. 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: So I think let's just start with that. But this 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: new announcement from the government applies to refugees who meet 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: a few very specific requirements. One is that they needed 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: to have arrived in Australia before the introduction of Operation 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: Sovereign Borders. 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: And can we just take them in it there to 68 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: explain what Operation Sovereign Borders is. Yes. 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: So it was a policy developed back in twenty thirteen 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: under the then newly elected Abbot government. Operation Sovereign Borders 71 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: was a hard line approach to combat people smuggling, and 72 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: particularly people smugglers who are bringing people by sea to Australia. 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: You might remember this video which gives you a sense 74 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: of how the government was communicating the message at the time. 75 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 5: The Australian Government has introduced the toughest border protection measures ever. 76 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 5: If you travel by a boat without a visa, you 77 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 5: will not make Australia home. 78 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: While offshore detention centers had already been established by former governments, 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: including the previous Labor government, they were a key strategy 80 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: in Operation Sovereign Borders and the plan to deter boats 81 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: from ever arriving in Australia. So to come back to 82 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 2: this new policy that was announced this week, it'll only 83 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: apply to people who arrived in Australia before twenty thirteen, 84 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: so before the introduction of this very hard line Operation 85 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: Sovereign Borders. The line that the government and PM Anthony 86 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: Alberzi has been using on immigration policy is that we 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: can keep borders safe with humanity. He said it in 88 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: his interview recently with Tom as Well. 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: I have a view that you can be strong on 90 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: borders without being weak on humanity. 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: The government has also said though that Australia's Operation Sovereign 92 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: Borders policy architecture remains unchanged, and so this policy announced 93 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: this week doesn't change the overall way that Australia will 94 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: manage and implement its immigration policy. And so that's why 95 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: this new pathway to permanent residency only applies to people 96 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: who arrived before twenty thirteen. 97 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: Okay, so it's clear we're talking about a select group 98 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: of people here, tell me more about them. 99 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to have to say a bunch 100 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 2: of acronyms here, but I'm going to do my best 101 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: to get them right, So. 102 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 3: Bring it on, Bring it on. 103 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: The people who are eligible for this new pathway need 104 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: to be living in the country under one of two 105 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: temporary visas. The first is the Temporary Protection Visa we'll 106 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: call it the TEA, and then there's the Safe Haven 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 2: Enterprise Visa, which we'll call CHEV. Both of these visas 108 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: allow refugees to stay in Australia on a temporary basis 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: and allow those visa holders to work, to study, and 110 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: to have access to some government services. The CHEV allows 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: you to stay in Australia temporarily for five years, while 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: the TPV allows you to stay for three years. Crucially, 113 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: before this recent announcement, there were pathways to permanent residency 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: for CHEV holders, but fair to say, there were some 115 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: pretty strict conditions for qualifying. When we were trying to 116 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: understand how many people could qualify for permanent residency, we 117 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: found an article by the ABC which reported that a 118 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 2: year ago, out of more than thirteen thousand chevs granted 119 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: since twenty fourteen, only one person had successfully used the 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: pathway to gain permanent residency. That is one in thirteen 121 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: thousand and so people on these visas have often been 122 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: referred to as being in limbo. They're stuck on temporary 123 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: visas without any path forward. Research from UNSW found that 124 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: the way that Australia has dealt with people on these 125 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: visas up until now was one of the most detrimental 126 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: elements of Australian refugee law and policy. The report found 127 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: that this temporary visa system was quote inhumane, unsustainable and 128 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: an inefficient system that inflicts mental harm and creates costly 129 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: bureaucratic burdens. And some of the recommendations they made to 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: rectify that align with exactly what the government has now 131 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: said they're going to do. 132 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk about the path forward. Now, what 133 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: is the government planning. 134 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: To do so For the almost twenty thousand people who 135 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: are on those temporary visas, there's now a new pathway 136 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: forward for them to get permanent residents in Australia. It's 137 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: got a new name. It's called the Permanent Resolution of 138 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: Status Visa. The opportunities that this opens up for those 139 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: people is that they'll be allowed to get a loan 140 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: to purchase a home in Australia. 141 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: They'll have access to Hex's. 142 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: Study loans and also to the National Disability Insurance Scheme. 143 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: To days, there's also the possibility on this pathway to 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: get citizenship. And just quickly a note on those twenty 145 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: thousand people that we mentioned. While that's the number that 146 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: we know are currently eligible to move on to this visa, 147 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: we've been told that that number could grow as the 148 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: government processes applications of more people that could potentially be eligible. 149 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: The government's also said that they'll allocate nine point four 150 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: million dollars over the next two years to help people 151 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: get specialist legal services to help them navigate this new pathway. 152 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back, Zara. 153 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: Now that the government has introduced this new pathway, how 154 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: has the opposition responded? 155 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: Well? Yesterday in question Time, the leader of the Opposition, 156 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: Peter Dudden, who of course was also the Immigration minister 157 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: for many years, put this to Pom Anthony Alberezi. 158 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 5: Has the government received any warnings from agencies, officials, experts 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 5: or foreign government so this decision could lead to an 160 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 5: increase in people's spuggly arrivals. 161 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: And generally speaking, the opposition was pushing this line that 162 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: by providing a new pathway to refugees on temporary visas. 163 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: The government was, in their words, weakening the integrity of 164 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: the nation's immigration system. In response, the PM said this. 165 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: This government will continue to be tough on borders without 166 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: being weak on humanity. 167 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: But as I've said, tough on borders means sticking to 168 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: Operation Sovereign Borders, which is still very much in place 169 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: under this government. In fact, it's one of the very 170 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: few things that the Coalition and Labor Party can actually 171 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: agree on. They have adopted the same policy, the same position, 172 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: and there's very little that really distinguishes them from one another. 173 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: Under both potential governments. Nobody who comes to Australia by 174 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: boat can reach Australian shores and so this new initiative 175 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: will only benefit people who arrived before Operation Sovereign Borders 176 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: was even put in place. In a statement, the Minister 177 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: for Home Affairs Clear O'Neil said, and I quote, let 178 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: me be crystal clear, if you try to enter Australia 179 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: without a valid visa, you'll be turned back or returned 180 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: to your port of origin. There is zero chance of 181 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: settling in Australia under Operation Sovereign Borders. 182 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us on the Daily OS this morning. 183 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: If you learn something from today's episode, don't forget to 184 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: hit subscribe, so there's a TDA episode waiting for you 185 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: every morning. We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, have 186 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: a great day.