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Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning to you all and a

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Speaker 1: very big week it has been.

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Speaker 2: And joining us in the studio right now. For the

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Speaker 2: week that was.

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Speaker 1: We've got from Catherine Joe Hersey for the COLP.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: We've got nai Kids for the Labor Party.

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Speaker 1: She's indeed the Minister for Multicultural Affairs as well as

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Speaker 1: corporate and Digital Development and lots of other portfolios.

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Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie. Great to be here, and.

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Speaker 1: We've got nine new Starwin's Kathleen Gazola, good morning to you. Now.

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Speaker 1: Might just make sure you've all got those microphones nice

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Speaker 1: clearly for the morning, because it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: busy one. I just want to take you through some

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Speaker 1: of the incidents unfortunately that have occurred from overnight now. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: hit by a car on Baggett Road last night. It's

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Speaker 1: believed the pair stepped directly into oncoming traffic at about

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Speaker 1: six point fifty pm. The driver stopped immediately. That incident

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Speaker 1: happened just near Fitzner Road north bound. Police and fires

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Speaker 1: attended and the mail pedestrian unfortunately passed away. The driver,

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Speaker 1: did stop immediately. Meanwhile, police arrested a man in Alice

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Speaker 2: So at about twelve pm.

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Speaker 1: Police were patrolling near a shopping center on Hartley Street

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Speaker 1: located the twenty nine year old near the entrance of

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Speaker 2: Now. In addition to that, and I think.

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Speaker 1: That this is probably the most concerning one, police have

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Speaker 1: arrested eight kids who allegedly stole a school bus in

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Speaker 1: the age of criminal responsibility. Now, I say that that

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Speaker 1: is incredibly concerning because we're talking about eight kids who

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Speaker 2: It's pretty frightening stuff.

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Speaker 5: That is shocking to hear that, and you know that

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Speaker 5: a why were those youth of that age out on

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Speaker 5: the streets at night, Katie, But the fact that the

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Speaker 5: is extremely concerning moving forward, Well.

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Speaker 1: It is, like, it's so frightening because it's actually really

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Speaker 1: bloody dangerous for those kids, and it's really bloody dangerous

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we obviously don't know the circumstances for those kids,

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Speaker 6: they're their home situations. But I suppose it's just another

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Speaker 6: I should think are probably warming up my hope down there.

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Speaker 6: I could be very wrong obviously being up here, but

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Speaker 1: Now, is that something that the government is doing? I

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Speaker 2: Is there additional work that's going to get underway to.

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Speaker 1: Try and stop this kind of thing from happening, because

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Katie, So with that incident's waking up this morning

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Speaker 7: It's I think it's a good thing that they've been

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Speaker 7: made those changes. They will not get off scott free.

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Speaker 7: This is about, like you said, Katie, tackling the crime

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Speaker 7: the home life, the intensive family support that needs to occur,

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Speaker 7: ensuring that those children are safeguarded and that they're living

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Speaker 7: their life as a child, not as somebody who wants

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Speaker 6: Can you give an example of what they will then

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Speaker 6: So what are the sort of things that they will

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Speaker 4: Sure, and that's really important, Kathleen.

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Speaker 7: Our young people and every person who commits a crime,

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Speaker 7: working with Northern Territory Police. There are programs called intensive

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Speaker 7: Family Support. So I'm not the expert on territory families,

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Speaker 1: Are they not doing that before it reaches that point?

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Speaker 1: Because I reckon that's what people listening are going to

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Speaker 7: And also we would like to think that Katie, and

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Speaker 7: again I don't have the details of this incident or

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Speaker 7: they could very well be engaged with services already and

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Speaker 1: And I get that, But I guess what I'm sort

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Speaker 1: you know, the Territory Families is going to work very

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Speaker 2: In Alice Springs. So if they are working, why are

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Speaker 1: Situation where it's continuing to happen, and particularly with kids

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Speaker 1: don't go down this path of bad behavior. Well, here

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Speaker 7: And that's what we can't answer because we don't have

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Speaker 7: the details of the children or the families. But Territory

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Speaker 7: Families down in Alla Springs do an incredible job with

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Speaker 2: Which do you see what I'm getting at?

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Speaker 1: Even the Minister has said to us before you know,

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Speaker 1: there's programs in place so that when kids are getting

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Speaker 5: O Katie, I'm just on those programs. I'd like to

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Speaker 5: how do we know? And maybe if the policeman is listening,

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Speaker 5: she might like to send you a message to know.

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Speaker 5: You know, those eight children that got returned home, how

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Speaker 3: And committed more crimes?

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Speaker 5: You know, the fact that they stolen a bus and

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Speaker 5: they're under twelve is extremely concerning. But I would really

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Speaker 3: Territory families.

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Speaker 5: There's some kind of intervention today as a follow up

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 7: So I have no doubt that Territory Families will have

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Speaker 4: I don't have the details.

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Speaker 7: I'd be happy to follow up again, we don't have

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Speaker 7: the report that we wake up to the spoiling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look again, I will say I think that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people will be wanting to know. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be quite the test case, I think for

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government, because you're talking about a busload

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Speaker 1: of of eight kids who have engaged in really dangerous behavior.

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Speaker 2: It's dangerous to.

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Speaker 1: Everybody that's on the roads, but it's particularly dangerous to themselves.

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Speaker 6: And the understanding of what are those sort of consequences

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Speaker 6: you know, when your kids do something wrong in your house,

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Speaker 6: wrong thing. Like, you know, what are this program that

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Speaker 6: intensive family agreements and arrangements that's going to be explaining

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Speaker 6: to those kids that you have done the wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: They go pick up rubbish, they go clean up graffiti.

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Speaker 2: He exactly, do you know that.

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Speaker 6: There's consequences for your actions that you're doing something you

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Speaker 6: don't want to do because you've done the wrong things,

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Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And we did hear from the Minister for Territory Families

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Speaker 1: last week. She had said that she'd get somebody on

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Speaker 1: the show for us this week to speak about those

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Speaker 1: programs and to speak about how exactly it will work.

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Speaker 2: We weren't able to get anybody. Well, yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Weren't able to get get anybody from Territory Families on

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Speaker 1: the community wants to know, and there is actually they

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Speaker 2: We deserve to know how it's.

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Speaker 1: Going to work when we are in a situation where

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Speaker 6: It's not mandatory.

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Speaker 6: And you're right on that chroming incident. We've done several

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Speaker 1: The concern that Mark in Malac had actually said to

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Speaker 1: So with the situation in Malak I mean, if you've

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Speaker 4: Please calls the police.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot to cover off on this morning.

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Speaker 1: So we've got a real I think we've got to

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Speaker 1: It's something that's going to it's you know, it's going

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Speaker 6: each other over and over again.

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Speaker 5: And Katie, it is a concern that again I think

445
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Speaker 5: Natasha Files played it down as normal.

446
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not normal.

447
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Speaker 5: We know that hospitals are under pressure. You know that

448
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Speaker 5: clearly there's no plan moving forward. The fact that there

449
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Speaker 5: are mental health people and I've spoken to Sushira many

450
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Speaker 5: times about the fact there needs to be more age

451
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Speaker 5: care facilities. I know in Catherine need age care facilities.

452
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Speaker 5: It is not normal to be having code yellows the

453
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Speaker 5: way we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not it's not normal for us to be

455
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Speaker 1: having these code yellows the way that we do. But

456
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Speaker 1: it's also it's not normal for us to be in

457
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Speaker 1: a situation where we don't actually have age care facilities

458
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Speaker 1: or ways in which some of our elderly can be

459
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Speaker 1: cared for in a manner that they actually that is

460
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Speaker 1: respectful and that they need and deserve, and you know,

461
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Speaker 1: and that is obviously when they're in the hospital, they

462
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Speaker 1: are getting it one hundred percent cared for.

463
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Speaker 2: But it's not ideal for anybody.

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Speaker 7: I completely agree, Katie, and I've had an auntie who's

465
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Speaker 7: spent a quite amount of time in bed block as

466
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Speaker 7: an age care potential recipient.

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Speaker 4: She's now been accepted into an.

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Speaker 7: Age care facility which is suitable to be able to

469
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Speaker 7: care for her and her needs up at hospital. Our

470
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Speaker 7: health staff do an incredible job to care for people.

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Speaker 7: It's not an age care facility, it's not an agecare setting.

472
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Speaker 7: It is a ward in a hospital, and it's very

473
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Speaker 7: sad and they do the best that they can and

474
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Speaker 7: we need those extra beds. And so I'm pleased to

475
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Speaker 7: learn that the federal government is working with our government

476
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Speaker 7: on a new age care facility and that will be

477
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Speaker 7: in Darwin and the design tender is expected to be

478
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Speaker 7: awarded soon our start.

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Speaker 2: Has that just been announced or when was that announce.

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Speaker 6: The process to get a health fest and because yet,

481
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Speaker 6: as Natasha has said, in the past, age care is

482
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Speaker 6: the responsibility of the Commonwealth, so it's on them to

483
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Speaker 6: deliver those and in the past that they haven't. So

484
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Speaker 6: the anti government, I understood it had taken control of

485
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Speaker 6: sixty positions through that process, so then they're going through

486
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Speaker 6: building a facility. And of course, in fairness, there is

487
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Speaker 6: also that mental health facility that is currently under construction

488
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Speaker 6: at Royal Darwin Hospital. So you do hope that once

489
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Speaker 6: those are online there will be an easy of that pressure.

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Speaker 2: I hope it makes a difference.

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Speaker 1: But look, I don't want to I'm not going to

492
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Speaker 1: let the government off the hook too easily because there

493
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Speaker 1: is actually a situation too where we've got people who

494
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Speaker 1: are needing elective surgery. You're needing things melanomas removed, and

495
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Speaker 1: it is taking years to be able to have that done. Now,

496
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Speaker 1: to me, it goes to the livability of the Northern

497
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Speaker 1: territory as well. If you actually can't get the treatment

498
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Speaker 1: that you need when you're living in the territory, that's

499
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Speaker 1: when people do start to go, well, hang on a second,

500
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Speaker 1: do I need to move somewhere where I'm closer to

501
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Speaker 1: the care that I actually need and that I require.

502
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Speaker 1: And that's not just the aging population. You know, that

503
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Speaker 1: goes right back to if you have a child that's

504
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Speaker 1: got mental health issues and needs support and cannot get

505
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Speaker 1: in to see a psychologist, which I've also been told about.

506
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Speaker 1: All of those things have a real impact on your

507
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Speaker 1: life and your liveability in the territory.

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Speaker 5: And the other thing, Katie, is that you know, quite

509
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Speaker 5: often I hear people saying if in pain, get on

510
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Speaker 5: a plane. That should not be what territorians need to

511
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Speaker 5: do moving forward. I mean, the fact is, you know,

512
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Speaker 5: we should be able to have those services here in

513
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Speaker 5: the territory.

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Speaker 3: And you know there's been the.

515
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Speaker 5: Role out of Acacia, which is talking to just on

516
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Speaker 5: the weekend is a very clunky process that has been

517
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Speaker 5: taking I think seven years that's been ongoing, and you know,

518
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Speaker 5: that that is causing issues as well. But the fact that,

519
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Speaker 5: as you're saying, people, I know a woman in Catherine,

520
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Speaker 5: a senior woman who's been waiting more than five years

521
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Speaker 5: for her hip to be done and she's an excruciating pain.

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Speaker 5: It is totally unacceptable.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it shows that the issue isn't a new

524
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Speaker 6: one that has been getting it's she had gotten worse

525
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Speaker 6: and clearly is reaching somewhat in a critical situation.

526
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Speaker 1: What off our listeners had an interesting comment to make

527
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Speaker 1: during the week, and she said, Katie, I'd be really

528
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Speaker 1: keen to find out what kind of stress is being

529
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Speaker 1: placed on the likes of the emergency department by people

530
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Speaker 1: fronting up with alcohol, you know, with issues that are

531
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Speaker 1: related to alcohol. Aye, you know, assaults, injuries, you know,

532
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Speaker 1: various different issues that are alcohol related. And I'd ask

533
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Speaker 1: Robert Parker, the head of the about that, and he said, well,

534
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Speaker 1: I think all you've got to do, Kdie, is look

535
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Speaker 1: at what's happened in Alice Springs since those restrictions have

536
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Speaker 1: actually been introduced and the impact that it's had on

537
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Speaker 1: the emergency department. So it does make you wonder, and

538
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Speaker 1: I know we've got some very serious alcohol restrictions already

539
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Speaker 1: in place in the Northern Territory, but it does make

540
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Speaker 1: you wonder.

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Speaker 2: Whether they're working the way that they're intended to. Really.

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Speaker 5: But as the Member for Barkley says, prohibition doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: He says it constantly, we need to address the root cause.

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Speaker 5: You know, So whilst there has been considerable changes in

545
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Speaker 5: Alice Springs with those alcohol hours that have come in,

546
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Speaker 5: you know, I don't think it just pushes the problem

547
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Speaker 5: somewhere else. And I know, speaking to a publican and

548
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Speaker 5: Catherine yesterday, you know some of their problem drunks have

549
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Speaker 5: come up to Darwin.

550
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Speaker 3: You know they know that that they've come up to Darwin.

551
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Speaker 5: So you're just moving the problem around, you're not really

552
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Speaker 5: solving the root cause.

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Speaker 7: So I completely agree prohibition does not work. But sometimes

554
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Speaker 7: you need to put in strict harmonimization processes so that

555
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Speaker 7: you can save people from themselves. Now, the absolute reality

556
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Speaker 7: is nobody has the authority or the ability to control

557
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Speaker 7: human behavior. So as a government, we work very closely

558
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Speaker 7: with all of the support services. Has do an incredible

559
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Speaker 7: job and they're really overloaded with the vulnerable people who

560
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Speaker 7: continue to consume alcohol at dangerous levels In levels that

561
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Speaker 7: they get to where they can't control their behavior and

562
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Speaker 7: they become a risk not only to themselves but to

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Speaker 7: everyone else. And it's really sad to see. And I'm

564
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Speaker 7: always wondering what led to that. Why would somebody pick

565
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Speaker 7: up that bottle or inhale that solvent or put themselves under.

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Speaker 4: Through that process to kind of switch off. It's really sad.

567
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Speaker 7: But when we look at it, we've got to have

568
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Speaker 7: measures in place that not only protect people from themselves,

569
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Speaker 7: but to give them the opportunity to do better for themselves,

570
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Speaker 7: especially if they've got young kids in the household, to

571
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Speaker 7: get back on track and to live a better life

572
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Speaker 7: and to not cause so many issues for so many

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Speaker 7: other people around them.

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Speaker 6: But then that goes back to the situation that we've

575
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Speaker 6: harped on so often as to why the government allowed

576
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Speaker 6: restrictions to be lifted in Alice Springs once wronger futures ended.

577
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Speaker 6: That's the case that you know, unfortunately people need to

578
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Speaker 6: be stopped from consuming these harmful substances because they haven't

579
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Speaker 6: improved their behavior. Then how did the government allow that

580
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Speaker 6: to happen?

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Speaker 2: So there hasn't been.

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Speaker 7: That accountability ten years of federal legislation telling Aboriginal people

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Speaker 7: and remote communities what they could and couldn't do. As

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Speaker 7: a proud Aboriginal person, I'm always trying to push to

585
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Speaker 7: make sure that those responsible communities have the ability to

586
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Speaker 7: govern themselves. That's what self determination was all about. And

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Speaker 7: so ensuring that those who are ready to get back

588
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Speaker 7: on track and to look after and govern their own

589
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Speaker 7: affairs with the assistance of government and every other layer

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Speaker 7: of support out there, that's that's what we should be strugging.

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Speaker 2: You had, like Marian Scrimjaw, you had others going in,

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Speaker 2: it's not good, it's not working. You know, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I was strong Aboriginal people screaming for.

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Speaker 6: It, saying that there should be a transition from that

595
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Speaker 6: situation to the new situation rather than just flicking as It's.

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Speaker 5: Not like you didn't know that time was coming to

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Speaker 5: an end. So what was done in the lead up

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Speaker 5: to that to talk to those communities to work out

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Speaker 5: some kind of agreements for them.

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Speaker 7: So discussions have been occurring over the ten years of

601
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Speaker 7: the intervention and the lasting impacts of that between both

602
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Speaker 7: levels of government, and you know, it's still questionable about

603
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Speaker 7: whether the intervention should have happened in the first place,

604
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Speaker 7: and so a lot of people were really looking forward

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Speaker 7: to getting out of that control of the federal government.

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Speaker 7: And so it's really important to hear both sides of

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Speaker 7: the story and to work with those communities who want

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Speaker 7: self determination to achieve just that.

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Speaker 2: So what do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that these alcohol restrictions realistically should be

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Speaker 1: scrapped that you know that people should have the opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and I know that that's what we're sort of working towards.

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Speaker 1: But at this point in time for Ollers Springs, it's

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Speaker 1: something that has been extended because you can sort of

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Speaker 1: see the results.

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Speaker 2: But so what do you think.

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Speaker 7: I think we're in a really good position at the moment,

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Speaker 7: and I'm really happy to support the extension of those restrictions.

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Speaker 4: I think, like you.

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Speaker 7: Said, doctor Robert Parker and other medical professionals will tell

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Speaker 7: you that it's having a really good impact on the community.

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Speaker 7: I think we've still got a way to go, and

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Speaker 7: I've been really pleased by the results so far.

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Speaker 4: So for those who.

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Speaker 7: Are being unfairly restricted and they have to go through

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Speaker 7: a little bit more rigmarole to get takeaway and they've

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Speaker 7: got their you know, two dry days a week. Sometimes

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Speaker 7: I'd love to see that in my own little electorate.

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Speaker 7: I think we'd have a great turnaround. So I'm really

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Speaker 7: open to all suggestions and whatever works I think we need.

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Speaker 4: To stick with. But it's not forever.

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Speaker 7: We will always have that way that we can get

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Speaker 7: out of it and try to work with the community

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Speaker 7: so that we don't have the restrictions in place forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do wonder, like in somewhere like you know,

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Speaker 1: in a place like Karama, or in a place like whatever,

637
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Speaker 1: any suburb within the Northern Territory, what kind of impact

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Speaker 1: it would actually have if there was a couple of

639
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Speaker 1: days reprieve.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And it's a conversation that comes up all the time, Katie,

641
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Speaker 7: which is really pleasing. So talking to the local licensees

642
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Speaker 7: and you know, seeing the harm that alcohol does through

643
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Speaker 7: our community and knowing that it is a legal product

644
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Speaker 7: if you're over eighteen and you have the ability to

645
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Speaker 7: purch so you can consumer as much as you like.

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Speaker 7: And so it is a concern and there are a

647
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Speaker 7: lot of people who need to be saved from themselves

648
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Speaker 7: and offered the opportunity to be clear of mind and

649
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Speaker 7: to live a better life and we keep pushing that

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Speaker 7: at the local level, and I do as a member

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Speaker 7: for Coroma.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a really short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was, if you've

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Speaker 1: just joined us in the studio this morning, we've got

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola, Nari ar Kit and also Joe Hersey and well,

656
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Speaker 1: Jacana Energy throughout the week announced that they're seeking expressions

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Speaker 1: of interest for the supply of up to one hundred

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Speaker 1: megawatts of renewable energy for the Darwin Catherine region. Now,

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Speaker 1: proponents are being asked to consider connecting at specific locations

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Speaker 1: within the Greater Darwin area that are consistent with the

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Speaker 1: location of the Northern Territory Government's renewable Energy Hub. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people looked at this and

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Speaker 1: when Okay, this seems like a good announcement. However, we

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Speaker 1: do still have three of those solar projects that aren't

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Speaker 1: totally switched on at this point in time, because there

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Speaker 1: is still this work needs to happen so that the

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Speaker 1: system is able to actually handle it.

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Speaker 2: And then this.

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Speaker 1: Discussion about whether those whether those solar farms now need

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Speaker 1: batteries and who's going to foot the bill for those batteries.

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Speaker 1: So the irony was not lost on me this week

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Speaker 1: when that announcement was made where we're looking for more

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Speaker 1: solar farms, yet we've got a few that aren't switched

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Speaker 1: on properly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is my this was my day off, so

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Speaker 6: I wasn't at the press conference and was shocked to

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Speaker 6: see that media release and was sort of like, hang on, yeah,

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Speaker 6: what happened to the current solar farms that we have

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Speaker 6: that aren't connected new ones?

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Speaker 5: As someone who lives in Catherine and just you know,

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Speaker 5: five kilometers out of Catherine, we have a solar farm

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Speaker 5: that has been there for I didn't think it was

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Speaker 5: as long as seven years, but you know, potentially seven years.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that landholder still has not seen one

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Speaker 5: cent of rent from that either, and three of them are.

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Speaker 3: Not hooked up.

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Speaker 5: And yet we saw the minister come out and say

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Speaker 5: let's have expression of vin for another solar farm with batteries.

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Speaker 5: When I read the solar farm in Catherine, they were

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Speaker 5: going to be made to well, the situation is that

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Speaker 5: needs batteries and it was going to be at a

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Speaker 5: cost of around forty million dollars, which was not affordable.

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Speaker 5: I read that somewhere the other day, you know, I

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Speaker 5: mean it was just for the you know, maybe that's

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Speaker 5: for the three of them, but they all need batteries

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Speaker 5: to come across. I I just read that somewhere and

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Speaker 5: it's the thing is, these solar farms were built with

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Speaker 5: an agreement to hook up to the grid, and all

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Speaker 5: this time, every day they're following the sun being worn

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Speaker 5: out and nothing is happening.

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Speaker 1: Is what I did wonder a lot, you know, given

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Speaker 1: the fact that we've got these three that aren't currently

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Speaker 1: able to be used, what's going to be in place

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Speaker 1: in terms of this EOI to provide certainty for the

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Speaker 1: proponents that obviously put their hands up for these new

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Speaker 1: solar farms.

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Speaker 2: But also you know, yeah, if our system can't.

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Speaker 1: Withstand the three that we've currently got, how is it

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Speaker 1: all going to work? And I know that the minister

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Speaker 1: said that there will be batteries required and there's going

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Speaker 1: to you know, obviously the proponents are going to.

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Speaker 2: Have to go through that process.

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Speaker 1: But why wasn't that agreement in place before these other

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Speaker 1: solar farms are allowed to be built?

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Speaker 4: And also details them that Katie, I'm happy to follow up.

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Speaker 5: The other thing, Katie, is you know, the labor continually

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Speaker 5: talk about listening to the experts, and the chair of

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Speaker 5: the government twenty seventeen report in Renewables was saying that

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Speaker 5: this is going to fall flat on its face and

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Speaker 5: it's an unrealistic regulation. So I just found it very

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Speaker 5: interesting that the Minister would come out again with expressions

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Speaker 5: of interest.

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Speaker 6: Well do you think it just shows you how unstable

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Speaker 6: the whole network is, which is why that they're not connected,

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Speaker 6: and you know, currently going through some of them are

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Speaker 6: commissioning all the rest of it, so that yeah, once

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Speaker 6: they are connected, they don't then cause a whole complete

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Speaker 6: system black which we've experienced in the past, you know.

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Speaker 6: And the whole thing about the push for people to

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Speaker 6: take on batteries in their personal homes is because everyone's

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Speaker 6: taken up the solar panels on their roofs, so there's

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Speaker 6: a huge influx of power going back into the grid,

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Speaker 6: which further destabilizes it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I did see the cut in the solar

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Speaker 3: tariff as well.

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Speaker 5: Joe.

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Speaker 1: I have just found this article, so it's actually an

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Speaker 1: ABC article where that forty million dollars is referred to

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Speaker 1: by Oliver Chaseling and it says that E and I

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Speaker 1: Australia owns three of the four solar farms which remain idle,

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Speaker 1: so sorry there is four and the company told the

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Speaker 1: Utilities Commission that the cost of upgrading and maintaining them

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Speaker 1: to the proposed standard would be well over forty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: In its final decision, the Commission acknowledged E and I

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Speaker 1: held significant concerns over the financial viability of its projects,

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Speaker 1: but it would nevertheless be required to wear costs set

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Speaker 1: out under the new standards. So the Acting Minister for

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Speaker 1: Renewable c Lalla said the cost of providing battery storage

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Speaker 1: was necessary to smooth out intermittent output of solar energy.

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Speaker 1: But I also note in this article that well, the

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Speaker 1: chair of the government's twenty seventeen report into achieving the

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Speaker 1: Renewables Target, Alan Langworthy, said the idle solar farms had

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Speaker 1: been hamstrung by those strict generator performance standards, and the

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Speaker 1: new standards were implemented by the int Utilities Commission after

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Speaker 1: the solar farms were built in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that seems pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: To me that we're in a situation where we've allowed

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Speaker 1: these companies or this company to build these solar farms

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Speaker 1: and then change the goalposts afterwards.

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Speaker 6: Correct, And I mean I've had the report that Matt

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Speaker 6: Cunningham tried to access and then it was locked out

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Speaker 6: completely except for the opening page. So there are still

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Speaker 6: huge question marks as to what that roadmap to renewables was,

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Speaker 6: the cost that was identified to go along with it.

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Speaker 6: We still haven't had that indication exactly, that answer ever

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Speaker 6: given to us in regard to that whole roadmap and

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Speaker 6: how we're going to reach the target. And the government,

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Speaker 6: we obviously heard through in estimates was well behind its

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Speaker 6: current target, and now we had this announcement with more

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Speaker 6: solar farms to try and reach that target further.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly right.

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Speaker 7: My government's continuing to move towards a cleaner, greener, net

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Speaker 7: zero future, and solar is a huge proponent and how

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Speaker 7: we get there. This one hundred megawatt project would bring

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Speaker 7: in up to fifteen percent of us to reach our

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Speaker 7: target of fifty percent renewables by twenty thirty. Some of

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Speaker 7: the things that Kathleen raised was about the grid capacity

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Speaker 7: and we need to make sure that we don't have

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Speaker 7: those systems blacks. So for information that Darwin Catherine grid

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Speaker 7: is a microgrid compared to the rest of the country.

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Speaker 7: We know here that we are reliant on our climate.

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Speaker 7: We have often days or a couple of weeks on

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Speaker 7: end where during the wet season we won't see the sun,

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Speaker 7: and then we'll have times where we have only son.

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Speaker 4: So we've got to make sure that the grid is.

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Speaker 2: Hand do that right from the word go.

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Speaker 1: And it seemed as though when this happened a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago in Alla Springs, it was a surprise,

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Speaker 1: like it was sort of a surprise to people that

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Speaker 1: hang on this cloud coverage is meaning that now the

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Speaker 1: solar is not working and there wasn't that backup system

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Speaker 1: in place where you know, most people that have worked

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Speaker 1: I guess in that sector would have realized that you

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Speaker 1: needed to have those backup systems in place.

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Speaker 2: But I've really got a question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this a situation where the Labor Party

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Speaker 1: is letting their ideology obviously take over the practicality of

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Speaker 1: reaching that target for renewables. And yes, everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: get to that point where we are at the renewables

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Speaker 1: target that we're trying to achieve, but you have to

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Speaker 1: make sure that we've got the funding or the finance

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Speaker 1: to be able to do it, and you've got to

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Speaker 1: actually make sure that the system's able to you know,

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Speaker 1: to handle it. So yeah, that that infrastructure is in place.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's probably what people are questioning is

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Speaker 1: is it's great to have these targets, and you definitely

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Speaker 1: need to have something to aim for, but you've also

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Speaker 1: got to be practical about them, about how much they

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Speaker 1: get a cost, whether you're going to be able to us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's correct, Katie.

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Speaker 5: You know, we all want to work towards renewable targets,

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Speaker 5: but we're not going to reach them.

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Speaker 3: Unless we manage the economy and can attract investment.

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Speaker 5: And by changing the goalpost like we've seen with E

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Speaker 5: and I, how is that going to give people confidence

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Speaker 5: to come and build another solar farm with the.

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Speaker 3: Battery you know that the minister was asking for.

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Speaker 7: So I think it's important to note that, you know,

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Speaker 7: work continues to make sure that gorid stability and battery

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Speaker 7: storage is going to be suitable, and we're looking at

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Speaker 7: more solar farms in the meantime, but a project of

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Speaker 7: this size will attract what is likely upwards of two

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Speaker 7: hundred million dollars investment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: We've got three.

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Speaker 5: We've got four solar farms already that companies have done's

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Speaker 5: got three. That's a massive investment. How are you going

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Speaker 5: to attract new investment if these three are not even

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Speaker 5: hooked up and they've got to spend more money on batteries.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I want to actually move on because I

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Speaker 1: do want to talk about investment into another area, and

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Speaker 1: that is actually our airlines and now connectivity, because I

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Speaker 1: think this is an incredibly important one as well. We

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Speaker 1: know that one of our key international aviation routes, linking

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Speaker 1: the territory to one of the world's busiest terminals, is

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Speaker 1: set to return to a daily service, so Singapore Airlines

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Speaker 1: obviously announcing that it's going to boost it's Star and

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Speaker 1: Singapore schedule from five days per week to seven.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: The minnes of for Tourism was actually really honest about

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Speaker 1: this on the show yesterday and she said, Katie, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good news, but it's not enough. We actually need more.

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Speaker 1: We want more international flights, we want more domestic flights,

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Speaker 1: and she said she's working incredibly hard to try.

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Speaker 2: To make that happen.

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Speaker 1: She did say though, on a few occasions throughout that

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Speaker 1: interview that you know that the fees and charges at

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Speaker 1: the airport obviously do have a part to play in

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Speaker 1: terms of our attractiveness to some of those airlines. Now

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Speaker 1: we know we've open to Bonza before the CEO from Bonza,

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Speaker 1: he sounds keen as to come to the territory, but

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Speaker 1: he said that what's going to stop them is, you know,

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Speaker 1: is some of that red tape and some of those

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Speaker 1: fees and that kind of thing. It's got to stack

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Speaker 1: up for them. So how do we make this place

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Speaker 1: more attractive? And I'm not saying that the government needs

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Speaker 1: to sort of, you know, hand over cash to get

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Speaker 1: airlines in because that's not going to work. But how

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Speaker 1: do we make this a little bit more attractive and

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Speaker 1: more sustainable so that we can have more airlines operating

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Speaker 1: in the territory, hopefully bringing down the bloody cost of

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Speaker 1: flights and meaning that we don't have to travel out

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Speaker 1: at one o'clock in the morning every time you want

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Speaker 1: to go somewhere.

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Speaker 6: Well, unfortunately, I don't think the Red Eyes are going anywhere,

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Speaker 6: given that we are on a raft base so it

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Speaker 6: can operate all year round, and then those planes can

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Speaker 6: then be used on the East Coast for those extremely

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Speaker 6: busy flights once their curfews have lifted. But I mean

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Speaker 6: my understanding is that essentially that aviation attraction fund will

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Speaker 6: help the idea. Essentially, it will help with those fees

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Speaker 6: and charges. That's why the airports can then apply to

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Speaker 6: open up a new route. So then it offsets those

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Speaker 6: fees and charges for those airlines. But the sustainability angle,

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Speaker 6: what you mentioned will fee is the big kicker. Once

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Speaker 6: that fund runs out, is exhausted and the money is

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Speaker 6: no longer offered anymore, then yeah, do those airlines then

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Speaker 6: pull out. It's all about keeping those bums on seats

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Speaker 6: and the freight underneath those seats to make it keep going.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, Daniel Roschford has said in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 6: if bonds A were to come through, he says, Alice

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Speaker 6: Springs will red Center residents alone would be able to

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Speaker 6: sustain that flight, let alone the extra tourists coming in.

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Speaker 7: And that's the important information that we need to make

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Speaker 7: sure is heard by all of the potential new airlines. Katie,

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Speaker 7: Alice Springs do deserve more flights in and out, and

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Speaker 7: so do we up here in Darwin.

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Speaker 4: But we do have a small population base. We're not

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Speaker 4: a Melbourne, we're not a Sydney.

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Speaker 7: So knowing our locals and their trouble habits or the

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Speaker 7: ones that they would like to move to is really

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Speaker 7: important for selling the Northern territory for those regular flights

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Speaker 7: by other airlines.

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Speaker 5: But also you know, I don't think we've sent any

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Speaker 5: detail of the twenty million cash splash which has been

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Speaker 5: offered to the airlines and also.

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Speaker 2: To the airport.

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Speaker 6: They're not going directly to the airlines. I don't think

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Speaker 6: the airlines, the.

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Speaker 3: Aviation to the Yes, sorry to the industry.

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Speaker 5: And as you were saying, you know, the likes of

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Speaker 5: bonds are wondering if it's going to be tied up

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Speaker 5: in red tape. But we did also hear in the estimates,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Minister was talking about the social influencers

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Speaker 5: and marketing harder also to attract people. But we've got

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Speaker 5: to be able to have that to be sustainable and

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Speaker 5: attract people here to a safe environment as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to take a really short break nearly

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Speaker 1: time for us to wrap up this morning. If you

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Speaker 1: have just joined us in the studio, we've got nine

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Speaker 1: news Darwin's Kathleen Gazola from the Labor Party. We've got

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Speaker 1: n Aria Kitten from the COLP. We've got Joe Hersey. Joe,

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Speaker 1: you were just telling me a moment ago a bit

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Speaker 1: of an announcement or there was a bit of movement

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Speaker 1: on a development that was due to happening Catherine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, there's been a development of a worker's camp

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Speaker 5: on Lansdowne Road that has got the community a little

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Speaker 5: bit up in arms with not you know, there wasn't

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Speaker 5: a lot of accountability and transparency on what was actually

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Speaker 5: going ahead, and through the residence of Lansdowne Road and

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Speaker 5: surrounding areas lobbying the Minister.

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Speaker 3: I had sent her an email to the Minister as well.

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Speaker 5: I heard that this morning at the moment, for the

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Speaker 5: time being, that is not going to.

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Speaker 2: Be going ahead, so it's been halted.

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Speaker 5: So it's been halted for the time being or I

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Speaker 5: don't know any more than that at this stage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know if you get any further detail.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the people of Catherine will be keen to

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Speaker 1: find out any that we're able to get now, Ladies, listeners,

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Speaker 1: everybody out there tomorrow afternoon, of course, the Matilda's are

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Speaker 1: going to be playing again. Hell ah absolutely.

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Speaker 6: My family's just been screaming at the TV basically so

934
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Speaker 6: excited to see Sam take the field and that is

935
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Speaker 6: just like the best thing. With the French coming up,

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Speaker 6: like that's going to be a tough match, but I

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Speaker 6: think the girls have it in the bag.

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Speaker 1: There's a family favorite in my household and that's Mary Fowler,

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Speaker 1: Young Mary Fowler. My kids just think that she's absolutely awesome.

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Speaker 1: She's a Cans girl as well, and she wears the gloves,

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Speaker 1: so we all.

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Speaker 2: Just think she's amazing. And it's been so wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I reckon to see the depth of the Australian squad

944
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Speaker 1: as well, so everybody sort of knows Sam Kerr knows

945
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Speaker 1: that name, but now all of these other incredible female

946
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Speaker 1: athletes have become like household names.

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Speaker 3: And it's been really good.

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Speaker 5: There's been so much sport happening at the moment, but

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Speaker 5: the two game that I've seen with the Matildas recently

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Speaker 5: has just been amazing.

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Speaker 3: And my daughter has some friends, some people living with

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Speaker 3: her from Denmark and that they were going out that

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Speaker 3: night and I'm going I don't know how they came

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Speaker 3: back probably a bit sad.

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Speaker 7: Probably it's been absolutely fantastic And you're right, Katie sam

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Speaker 7: Kerr is a household name right around the world. But

957
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Speaker 7: to see Caitlin Ford and Mary Fowl and the others

958
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Speaker 7: being able to step up and shine in their own

959
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Speaker 7: they're doing the country proud and we continue to cheer

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Speaker 7: for them every game and good luck tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Now what do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Is Elbow going to declare a public holiday should they

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Speaker 1: make it to the finals.

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Speaker 2: We had a lot of business people going, oh, wolfy,

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Speaker 2: this is not good.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to foot the bill for it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of others that are obviously paid employees. He's going, no,

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Speaker 1: let's make it happen. So it's a bit of a

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Speaker 1: mixed bag with just allow people to be a bit

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Speaker 1: walk in.

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Speaker 4: That might just be the nice comprom and you don't

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Speaker 4: want to jink some matildas. We want them to win

973
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Speaker 4: all the way where we don't want to call I.

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Speaker 5: Want them to win, but as a previous business owner,

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be so pinged. Which holiday which is extremely costly,

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Speaker 5: But if you want to take the day off.

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Speaker 2: Good advice. Joe Joe Hersey for the COLP Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Katie. It's been great to be up here again.

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Speaker 1: Narri are Kitch for the Labor Party and also the

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Speaker 1: Minister for various Portfolios.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Katie and PADEL members and nine News

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Speaker 2: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thank you for your time this morning.