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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio for the week that was.

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Speaker 1: We have got the colps Marie Claire Booth b good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, and good morning listeners, tho you saining cool.

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Speaker 1: We've got nine News, Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good morning, Kathleen.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Brent Potter for the ALP. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to your.

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Speaker 3: Brent Morning, Katie, Morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you all in the studio. And of

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Speaker 1: course it is the day where we will pause to

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Speaker 1: remember it is Remembrance Day. At about eleven am this morning,

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Speaker 1: we will go silent here at the radio station and

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Speaker 1: right across the nation to remember those we have lost.

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Speaker 1: And Brent, I'm sure that this is an incredibly important

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Speaker 1: day for you. I've given the fact that you are

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Speaker 1: a veteran.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm going to run straight from here down to

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Speaker 4: the Cenata for ten thirty, so extremely important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and no doubt plenty happening around the place. Ten thirty,

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Speaker 1: I think is when it is all kicking off, lots

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Speaker 1: of different locations.

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Speaker 5: So go one and parmesan run by the Parmesan RASL

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Speaker 5: and I'm wearing my puppy today. I'll be racing Strada

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Speaker 5: to Parmesan to make sure we get to that. It's

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Speaker 5: always a fantastic That is a great Poppy's it been niche? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: this one's from Bill roy House over there on the

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Speaker 5: raft base and the administrator had given these out to us.

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Speaker 5: I think it might have been last Ann's that day.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I always proudly wear it.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Well, let's move along. There is so many

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Speaker 1: issues for us to discuss this week, and I think

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Speaker 1: that it is only fair that we do start off

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Speaker 1: with the terrible situation that we saw unfolding Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week. We know that five youths aged

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Speaker 1: the week after a Toyota Prato was stolen from the

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Speaker 1: ABC before being observed driving dangerously through the CBD. We

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Speaker 1: know the police did indeed apprehend those young offenders, but

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Speaker 1: the scenes that we have seen out of Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: way that it's been described. It was horrendous behavior and

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Speaker 1: horrendous to to see those youths allegedly ramming a police

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Speaker 1: the thing that was probably most concerning as well is

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Speaker 1: that the police actually had to issue that warning to

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Speaker 6: I mean, the only other time that I've seen a

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Speaker 6: Right, so that's the only other time that I've seen

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Speaker 6: the police issue a warning like that to avoid an area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was what I was struck by that as well.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I haven't seen something like that come out before.

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Speaker 1: And I've been doing this show for eight years, I've

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Speaker 1: then I think that, you know, the fact that we

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Speaker 1: thirteen was the incredibly frightening part. Because I've got an

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Speaker 5: Katie, this is like it is, this is really serious.

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Speaker 5: I mean when we have young people who are actively

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Speaker 2: Now they're young people.

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Speaker 5: They went I took the CCTV out, they stole the vehicles,

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Speaker 5: they actively drove around. Police had to not only warn

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Speaker 2: So those youths.

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Speaker 5: Who know how to drive a car, who know how

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Speaker 3: I think that's a bit of a stretch. Maria, say

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Speaker 4: Did they talk about interruption to say that this is

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Speaker 4: organized crime. I think police would have a very different

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've got chamber.

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Speaker 3: No one's shying away from that.

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Speaker 6: But takeing Whifle cops to the government to admit that

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Speaker 3: Quite a long insurance. This is an emergency, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: But I mean at the same time, we've now got

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Speaker 4: you've got government all working together. To say that we're

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Speaker 4: those people who come to the table to find a solution.

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Speaker 4: That particular instance is horrible. Now eleven year old should

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Speaker 4: Warne's come really strong out this and saying we know

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Speaker 4: where we need to we'll get involved and we'll make

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Speaker 4: sure those kids are safe when their parents.

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Speaker 3: You know, not at home well.

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Speaker 1: And this is obviously, you know, this is the point

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Speaker 1: that the that the Minister's now come out. We know

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Speaker 6: I mean, what's it going to take to unfortunately, take

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Speaker 1: In particular, given that a couple of those that were

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Speaker 6: Car the other night had never been encountered by the

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Speaker 5: So you talk about are there, you talk about the

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Speaker 5: tipping point of what that is, and you know, is

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Speaker 5: I mean, we already had a youth who died at

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're bread. What do you think should happen?

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Speaker 4: Well, everyone uses the capital eil when they're a food intervention.

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Speaker 4: What I think needs to happen is exactly. I think

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Speaker 4: what you said, Kaye was't liven year old out at

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Speaker 3: You asked question today.

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Speaker 4: So what needs to happen is when those kids are

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Speaker 1: It right though.

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Speaker 1: I think the government's got to realize that that. You know,

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Speaker 1: kind of crime. Everybody gets that. But what the community

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Speaker 1: is saying right now is we need to sort this out.

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Speaker 1: And we know that it's complex to use the government's words,

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Speaker 1: Territory Families, she's the one who's used those words, and

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Speaker 1: she has said, yeah, the police Minister had said that

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Speaker 1: there does need to be a situation here that there

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Speaker 1: is a clear message to parents and caregivers. She said,

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Speaker 1: Families will assist you to do that work, and we

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Speaker 6: But I think the residents of Alice Springs that are

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Speaker 5: So you talk about the programs, Brent, and and you know,

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Speaker 5: Do you honestly believe that it's going to make people

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Speaker 4: Sure answer, yes, can we do things better? Absolutely? But

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Speaker 4: And like I just said, short answer, yes, can we

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Speaker 5: All that it does is has there's there's We need

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: They'll have some KPIs to make sure that they're being

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Speaker 2: That they're not we hope.

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Speaker 4: So okay, do you like, let you know, a good

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Speaker 2: know what the outcomes of those programs are.

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Speaker 3: Contract You've got to look at them, I'm pretty sure.

445
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Speaker 2: But all we know is that the statistics keep going

446
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Speaker 2: higher and higher.

447
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Speaker 4: And.

448
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Speaker 1: That contract, how many kids have gone through it, what

449
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Speaker 1: the recidi of is some rates have been after they

450
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Speaker 1: have gone through them.

451
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Speaker 4: And yeah, absolutely, I mean it's not my portfolio and

452
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Speaker 4: bring them, but more than happy to make sure they

453
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Speaker 4: get it.

454
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Speaker 1: To keep getting told that sixty percent figure, I know,

455
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Speaker 1: I feel like that hasn't changed for a few years anyway,

456
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what we can find out about that

457
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Speaker 1: one sounds good.

458
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Speaker 3: I'll get you.

459
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Speaker 1: Someone's listening that could text you out.

460
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Speaker 3: Now I'm making not to look at my phone.

461
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Speaker 1: Look, I do think it is incredibly important that you

462
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Speaker 1: know that we do see some change for the people

463
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Speaker 1: of Alice Springs.

464
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Speaker 7: It is.

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Speaker 1: It's been sad to see the path that they've been on.

466
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Speaker 1: It was incredibly sad to see what had gone on

467
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week. I know that there's been further

468
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Speaker 1: vision shared as well this morning in different locations on

469
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Speaker 1: different I think it might be on the Action for

470
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Speaker 1: Alis page or somewhere of Yeah, frightening Frightening called it.

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Speaker 6: It's like a grand theft auto game. Put it to music,

472
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Speaker 6: and that's what it sounds, and that's.

473
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Speaker 1: What the kids have done.

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Speaker 6: You know, some people are like, oh, well, they want

475
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Speaker 6: the attention, and you reporting on it builds it up

476
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Speaker 6: even more. But if you don't shine a light on it,

477
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Speaker 6: I mean, how do you put that pressure on the

478
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Speaker 6: people who make the decisions to actually go and take

479
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Speaker 6: that action. If it's just swept under the rug and ignored,

480
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Speaker 6: you just can't ignore it, you can't. You know, the

481
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Speaker 6: residents are crying out for something to happen and to

482
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Speaker 6: put it out there to show everyone what's going on exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean we always talk about how we want

485
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Speaker 5: to see the rights of the victims be placed well

486
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Speaker 5: above the rights of the offenders, and only just yesterday

487
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Speaker 5: I heard a story and again this morning's.

488
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Speaker 2: An update about it.

489
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Speaker 5: Where a wheelchair bound man in perap living there who

490
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Speaker 5: is actually a veteran as well, which is even more sad.

491
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Speaker 5: He is now leaving the Northern Territory. And the reason

492
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Speaker 5: is is because yesterday he witnessed a stabbing at his

493
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Speaker 5: apartment block and he called the police. I did the

494
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Speaker 5: right thing, The police attended and it was all dealt with. Now,

495
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Speaker 5: some people after the incident have now started to send

496
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Speaker 5: him and to go to his home and threaten him,

497
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Speaker 5: and so he feels that he has no protection. He's

498
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Speaker 5: asked for emergency housing so that he can be relocated

499
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Speaker 5: so he can feel safe, and there is nothing there

500
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Speaker 5: for him. So he's now going to be driving out

501
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Speaker 5: of the territory. He's lived in the territories since nineteen

502
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Speaker 5: sixty eight. He feels for his life. He fears for

503
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Speaker 5: his life. And that is where we have this whole

504
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Speaker 5: society where government are focusing so much on offenders and

505
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Speaker 5: making sure that they're going to be okay, and not

506
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Speaker 5: enough on society, the ones that are contributing to society.

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Speaker 2: You know, the hard work is the families.

508
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Speaker 5: And I mean there are so many terrible, houseless examples

509
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Speaker 5: and real life things and the real life impact that

510
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Speaker 5: people are experiencing. And I think until we can see

511
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Speaker 5: the government recognized that offenders need to go at the

512
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Speaker 5: bottom of the priority order and not the top victims

513
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Speaker 5: should be the priority always, we're always going to have this.

514
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a really short break. I do

515
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Speaker 1: want to still continue to talk about this because I

516
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Speaker 1: want to actually take you to some of the comments

517
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Speaker 1: that were made by Sushira from Kota after the break.

518
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Speaker 1: So we'll take a very short break. You are listening

519
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Speaker 1: to me. Nine three sixty eight is the week that was,

520
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Speaker 1: And if you've just joined us in the studio with

521
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Speaker 1: us today is Marie Claire Booth by Kathleen Gazola and

522
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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, And well, one of the one of the

523
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Speaker 1: sad situations that we did here of earlier in the

524
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Speaker 1: week is the fact that seniors at the moment around

525
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory really not feeling safe in the community. Now,

526
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Speaker 1: if you missed Sushier from Kota, she joined us on

527
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Speaker 1: the show on Tuesday, I believe it was take a

528
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Speaker 1: listen to what Sue had told us on the show.

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Speaker 7: They're frightened, they won't go out on their own. So

530
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Speaker 7: this is causing isolation, it's causing fear, and it's it's

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Speaker 7: traumatizing for seniors. We have about thirty people in on

532
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Speaker 7: a Monday in dal And doing pilarities and then another

533
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Speaker 7: thirty doing armchair aerobic since they come in into my

534
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Speaker 7: office every time they're in there and they're not going

535
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Speaker 7: to Casarina. They're too frightened to go to casina. So

536
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Speaker 7: what should be a nice downing and a nice shopping

537
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Speaker 7: trip is turning into something so traumatizing. Now, really, who's

538
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Speaker 7: suffering here? If something has to happen, Why should we

539
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Speaker 7: seniors be living in fear, not enjoying our golden years.

540
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Speaker 7: We have contributed to the growth of the Northern Church,

541
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Speaker 7: to the economic and the social fablic of the Northern Turkey,

542
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Speaker 7: and here we are, we're hiding in our own homes.

543
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Speaker 7: Even in our own homes, we aren't the safe.

544
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Speaker 1: So that was Sue Shier on the show. Earlier in

545
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Speaker 1: the week, we also caught up with Sarah Henderson, who's

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Speaker 1: one of the counselors out in Palmerston, and she'd spoken

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Speaker 1: of a similar situation where there are seniors that are

548
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Speaker 1: concerned about getting on the public public bus network or

549
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Speaker 1: on public transport, concerned about going to do their shopping,

550
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Speaker 1: and she was sort of trying to organize almost a

551
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Speaker 1: bit of a link up where, you know where potentially.

552
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Speaker 1: I know that she takes some sceniors out to do

553
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Speaker 1: their shopping and things like that, but some different ways

554
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Speaker 1: to try to help some of those sceniors to feel

555
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Speaker 1: more safe being able to do different things, whether it's

556
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Speaker 1: going out for a walk or go to do your shopping.

557
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Speaker 1: And I think that it is really important that we

558
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Speaker 1: try to work something out here because it is an

559
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Speaker 1: incredibly sad indictment on our society if you've got seniors

560
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Speaker 1: who do not feel safe going out to do those

561
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Speaker 1: things that they've got every right to be able to do.

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Speaker 3: Independence is fundamental as you get older.

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Speaker 4: You know, in Ageka, it was one of the things

564
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Speaker 4: that we tried to keep was their independence, their sense

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Speaker 4: of independence, and no one should feel unsafe getting a bus,

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Speaker 4: and especially the elderly. And I think mister Lawla has

567
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Speaker 4: acted pretty quickly on that. I think I believe it's

568
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Speaker 4: fourteen additional security guards. We're riding on the buses, not

569
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Speaker 4: the bus inter changes riding the actual buses with them,

570
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Speaker 4: and if that's what we need to do right now

571
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Speaker 4: to make people feel safe on the bus, that's what

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Speaker 4: we will do.

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Speaker 3: So in your response to your question, Mary, you asked

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Speaker 3: for an action there, it is that's what we're going

575
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Speaker 3: to do in the short term.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, fighting your own argument, and can I just

577
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Speaker 5: say it's not just on the busses though, that people

578
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Speaker 5: feel unsafe. And I think Sue and Sarah out at

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Speaker 5: Palmeston have really hit the nail on the head there

580
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Speaker 5: because I mean I just heard of a story only

581
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Speaker 5: recently where at Gateway Shopping Center. I mean that's where

582
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Speaker 5: ev Lula's office is, and I mean it used to

583
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Speaker 5: be a really nice place to go to and that's

584
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Speaker 5: it was definitely the go to for Palmerston seniors. But

585
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Speaker 5: just the other day there were a lot of seniors

586
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Speaker 5: all their shopping and there was an incident where a

587
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Speaker 5: mother had been almost surrounded by a group of views

588
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Speaker 5: and adults who were eyeing off her trolley and they

589
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Speaker 5: were they were being so threatening to this woman that

590
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Speaker 5: they were calling her the most horrendous, obscene names quite loud.

591
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Speaker 5: In the shopping center, lots of onlookers didn't really know

592
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Speaker 5: what to do because they were quite scared. They were

593
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Speaker 5: even raising their hand to their to the to the

594
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Speaker 5: own lady's throat and kind of like making it I'm

595
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Speaker 5: going to kill threat. Yeah, And so this woman had

596
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Speaker 5: to end up being escorted out of the shopping center

597
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Speaker 5: with a trolley by security. And I just think that

598
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Speaker 5: it's all of these things that just make it really hard,

599
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Speaker 5: not just for seniors but for everybody. So, I mean,

600
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Speaker 5: unless legislation starts changing and we start seeing more consequences

601
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Speaker 5: for those people to do that. I mean, this particular case,

602
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Speaker 5: the police who are reviewing it said that they wouldn't

603
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Speaker 5: be able to press charges because they didn't actually break

604
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Speaker 5: you anything.

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Speaker 1: But it's that threatening behavior. Do you know that's interesting

606
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Speaker 1: you say that. I actually had a friend who was

607
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Speaker 1: at Casarina last Friday. I'd seen her there. Then she'd

608
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Speaker 1: gone to go out and get into her car after

609
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Speaker 1: she'd done her shopping, couldn't because there was people all

610
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Speaker 1: surrounded around her car. When she went to get security,

611
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Speaker 1: there was young people trying to intimidate her so that

612
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Speaker 1: she couldn't sort of get back into her car. And look, again,

613
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Speaker 1: it's not criminal behavior, but it's threatening and intimidating behavior,

614
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Speaker 1: and it's the kind of thing that should not happen.

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Speaker 1: No one should feel unsafe to go and do your

616
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Speaker 1: food shopping in the middle of a day on a Friday.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, okay, right, and it is loitering to

618
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Speaker 4: me of these people in the suit mart, at the

619
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Speaker 4: shopping centers and those places unknown to security. And that's

620
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Speaker 4: why we're reviewing trespass that you know that will be

621
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Speaker 4: the change they've asked for. The second chance is going

622
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Speaker 4: to trescars.

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Speaker 3: So if you're in the car park, yeah, well it's

624
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Speaker 3: the still prop property.

625
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Speaker 4: So on the or it can you counsel land you

626
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Speaker 4: cancel has an obligation in force there by laws around trespass,

627
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Speaker 4: and they can do that. But we listened to the

628
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Speaker 4: Chamber of Commerce and other businesses and we'll make that reform.

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Speaker 1: So then like in a situation like that, what do

630
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Speaker 1: you have to do it here to a trespass.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's why I removing the second chance and

632
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Speaker 3: the trespass.

633
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Speaker 4: The chief came out and said that because you know

634
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Speaker 4: there needs to be you cannot continue to come back

635
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Speaker 4: to a place that you've been told you cannot be

636
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Speaker 4: out for no good.

637
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Speaker 1: Reason though, like how hard it would be then for

638
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Speaker 1: like let's say, you know, that woman goes out with

639
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Speaker 1: the security guard, So then who's issuing the trespass night

640
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: it's the security guard and it's like ten people surrounding him.

641
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Speaker 4: This is what police have asked for as well as

642
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: And they're talking to the guys on the segway the

643
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: other day and that was stoked that this is coming

644
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 4: in because they said that will be the change for them.

645
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Speaker 3: It can be the private security guard.

646
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Speaker 4: That's one of the reforms that will be made is

647
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Speaker 4: changing who can issue it, you know, impowing more people

648
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Speaker 4: the security guards, the lease holders and the business owners

649
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Speaker 4: and the premise owner to make it easy to issue

650
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Speaker 4: for those people because at the moment he is cumbersome.

651
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I hope you're right. I really hope you're right.

652
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Speaker 1: You know, same as with what's going on in Ala Springs.

653
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Speaker 1: I hope you're right it work down because if it

654
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Speaker 1: doesn't work, where do we go next.

655
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Speaker 4: It's part of many reforms, like one thing is going

656
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Speaker 4: to solve, But I think trespass, you know, for a while,

657
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Speaker 4: has been that sort of that gap for businesses at

658
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Speaker 4: the very least, and that's what they've asked for, so

659
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Speaker 4: we've listened.

660
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Speaker 1: Well, time tell I suppose now I do want to

661
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Speaker 1: just just say, though, you know, what are we going

662
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Speaker 1: to do for these seniors in the meantime. Is there

663
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Speaker 1: a way that we can link some of these people

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Speaker 1: up to help each other and so that you know,

665
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Speaker 1: they can go out and do their shopping, do various

666
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Speaker 1: different things, because there is no way that our oldies

667
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Speaker 1: and I say that very affectionately should feel unsafe.

668
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie at at Palmerston, the Palmeston Seniors Parmeson, the

669
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Speaker 5: Litchfield Seniors Organization actually do a driver's program and it

670
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 5: is coordinated out of my office which is next to

671
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Speaker 5: Target at the Parmeston shopping Center, where seniors can call

672
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Speaker 5: in ask to be allocated a driver to tell them

673
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Speaker 5: to a doctor's appointment or a hospital appointment and the

674
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Speaker 5: driver will wait for them until they've finished and then

675
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: take them back home again. So of course you know,

676
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 5: there's an appointment in the Casuarina or the city that

677
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: makes it really easy and it's a really cost effective

678
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 5: because away and I say cost effective, because they can

679
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 5: join to be part of that club and that just

680
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 5: is a small fee.

681
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Speaker 1: It's a nice thing to do.

682
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Speaker 2: It's a really nice thing.

683
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Speaker 5: We have a lot of seniors that use that option

684
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 5: and be great to see it expanded into other officers.

685
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: I know that Kezia has started to look into it

686
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 5: as well for the rural area.

687
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Speaker 4: That's the best bit about being a local member. If

688
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 4: someone calls up and need a handlight this, you'll absolutely

689
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Speaker 4: go and do it. So I think regardless of whatever

690
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 4: electorate it is, and if you call the Electric oppicely

691
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: need a hand they'll find someone, or the group, the

692
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 4: probist groups or even though you know I'll go out

693
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: and do it. I ride the bus with you down

694
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: to Casarina and back. Good chance to get the office

695
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: and you go and see a different different electorate even.

696
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: Why not, hey, now we will. Before we take a

697
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: short break, I do just want to take you across

698
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: to some information which has just come from the Northern

699
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: Territory Police. A little earlier. Northern Territory Police have arrested

700
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Speaker 1: a man in relation to a death in Leanna. Yesterday

701
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: at about five thirty, the Joint Emergency Service Communications Center

702
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: received a report that a woman at a residence in

703
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: Leanna wasn't breathing. Saint John Ambulance and police arrived a

704
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: short time later, where the woman was pronounced deceased at

705
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Speaker 1: the scene. A crime scene was declared and a male

706
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: suspect was arrested at about two am at a residence

707
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Speaker 1: in Rosebury. A detective scene is Paul Morrissey said. At

708
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: this stage, detectives are treating this incident as a homicide.

709
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: It is believed the man and woman were known to

710
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Speaker 1: one another. The man suffered injuries and is currently under

711
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: police guard at Royal da And Hospital. More information will

712
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Speaker 1: be released as investigations continue. So that information there from

713
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police sounds awful. We will take a

714
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one oh four

715
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was. You

716
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: are listening to the week that was in the studio

717
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: this morning, Brent Potter, Kathleen Gazola and Marie Claire Boothby.

718
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Speaker 1: Now just going to another statement that has just been

719
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Speaker 1: issued by the Northern Territory Police. They've arrested a man

720
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Speaker 1: after an unlawful entry at a business in Larachia overnight

721
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: at about twelve fifteen this morning. Police received reports that

722
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: an offender had unlawfully entered a business on Marine of Boulevard.

723
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: The offender allegedly stole a quantity of alcohol before being

724
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Speaker 1: confronted by an employee. The offender has attempted to strike

725
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: the employee with a blunt weapon before physically assaulting him.

726
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: The employees suffered facial injuries and a minor concussion. The

727
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: offender fled the scene in a nearby vehicle. Northern Territory

728
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Police have since arrested a twenty five year old man

729
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: in relation to the offending. He's expected to be charged

730
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: later today. Senior Sergeant Brent Cottier said Strikeforce Trident, Serious

731
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Speaker 1: Crime Forensics CCTV operators in general duties have all been

732
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Speaker 1: working together on this investigation. So that one just coming

733
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: through from the Northern Territory Police and yeah, ye, well,

734
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: and yet another terrible situation of bloody crime. Yeah, alcohol

735
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: related break in.

736
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Speaker 5: And there are so many stories like this, and I

737
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: keep saying it until legislation has changed so that the

738
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: rights of the victims are put above the rights of

739
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 5: the offenders, we're just going to continue to see this

740
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Speaker 5: and it's just a slippery slope and it's awful. People

741
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: are just sick of it. And I guess, Katie, that's

742
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 5: why people are leaving the territory. I mean, we hear

743
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 5: it every day. They just don't want to be here

744
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: because they can go somewhere else and have a nice life.

745
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: And none of us want to talk the territory down.

746
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: We'd love it. We want it to be like it

747
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: used to be.

748
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: We want it to be the best place that it

749
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: can pulsibly be. And I'd said that to the Chief

750
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Minister earlier in the week when i'd interviewed. You know,

751
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: everybody wants this place to thrive. We all live here

752
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: because we want to raise our kids here. We want

753
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: the place to thrive. But some of what we are

754
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: seeing around the place at the moment is it's horrible.

755
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, it is horrible. Even hearing that it's it's atrocious.

756
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Nobody should be at work and be assaulted with a

757
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: blunt weapon and protect Yeah, it's just not on.

758
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 4: And now that he's been arrested, you know, hopefully the

759
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: courts will take that into account and ultimately, you know,

760
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: serve them justice and get them on the programs to

761
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: start with, because I mean, our color is a huge issue.

762
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: Clearly but at the end of the day, the community

763
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: is so distressed and we're.

764
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: At here is the concern that the like, do we

765
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: feel as though the you know, like I guess what

766
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: we hear all the time is everybody seems to be

767
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: doing their job. So that's what we're you know, that's

768
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: that's the sense that we get. Everybody's doing their jobs.

769
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: But where are we being let down?

770
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 7: Like?

771
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Where is this system breaking down? Is it that we

772
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: don't have enough programs or enough you know, enough to

773
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: sort of to try to rehabilitate people when they do

774
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: go through the court system. Where is this breaking down?

775
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: Or Am I the only one.

776
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: That's questioning that we don't have enough legislation because clearly

777
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: he's been charged and he's been appreended by police, of

778
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: the legislation's there. Obviously the cops responded, which is fantastic,

779
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: you know, so we have enough police, you know, And

780
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: then the program is a question without knowing who it is,

781
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: whether he's actually gone through a program previously. But what

782
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: I would touch on is, you know, we do have

783
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: liquor courts. You know, they are mechanisms to put additional

784
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: measures in place with agreed outlets to further restrict alcohol

785
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 4: and then you know, get police out there targeting secondary

786
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: supply like they're doing now, you know, I mean it's

787
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: trying to be on.

788
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: The businesses ye to restrict it.

789
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Speaker 6: I mean it's breaking in as he says regularly, alcohol

790
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 6: is not an illegal thing obstance, So it's the root

791
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 6: of the problem. As you said, I mean, I think, yes,

792
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 6: the government has implemented a lot of measures around alcohol

793
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: because it is one of the biggest issues that we face.

794
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: But you know, we still haven't reviewed the BDR. Yeah,

795
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: that's very true.

796
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Speaker 6: You know, like why why aren't we just continuing to

797
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 6: keep performing these things. I mean, obviously the BDR is

798
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 6: a controversial measure. The opposition has been against it in

799
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 6: the past. I think they're removed to now. But you've

800
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 6: called Falzi backs the BDR but refuses to do a review,

801
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 6: even though we've seen a review of the flaw price,

802
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 6: which didn't really give an outcome of whether it was

803
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: workable or not.

804
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like, yeah, this is like, this

805
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: is I guess we're on becoming frustrated, and I think

806
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: the community is becoming frustrated as well as the government

807
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: is telling us all the different things that they're doing

808
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: and how it's going to like, you know, how it's

809
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: going to work. Everybody's you know, everybody's sort of saying, well,

810
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: this is you know, we're doing this job, but we're

811
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: doing that job. Yet we're continuing to see the same

812
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: issues and we're continuing to go down the same path

813
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: and it's not actually getting better.

814
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: Well, there are plenty of options. Likely I'll give you

815
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: an example.

816
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: So my liquor outlet's locally, we're going to go and

817
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 4: they're going to go on a smaller cord specific to

818
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: the electric and we're going to implement additional measures that

819
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: they've all agreed upon that we think that will reduce

820
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 4: access to alcohol for those who intend to misuse it,

821
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 4: and police are supportive of that, that the business owners

822
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: are as well. And I think locally that I'll get

823
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: a solution, But across the territory it is alcohol and

824
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 4: you are right the BDR.

825
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: So with measures like that, like, let me just go

826
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Speaker 1: for an example. So in Funny Bay, for example, the

827
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: IgA there, I've spoken to Manual, the owner before. He

828
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: said to me, Katie, I don't sell alcohol on Sundays.

829
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I can't sell alcohol on Sundays, but there's still people

830
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: drinking in the park.

831
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: Well, if you go to recently, it's been very very quiet,

832
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 4: and this is some of the stuff that he's been

833
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: doing and others. That's why they're going to go on

834
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: a cord and they've agreed to implement some additional measics.

835
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 4: Because he's working there, they realize that there is no access,

836
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: so they going to other places. I mean, secondary supply

837
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: is a huge thing, and police are targeting that because

838
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, some people that are

839
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: problem drinkers will find a way to get to it.

840
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: Prohibition did not work, proved.

841
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: Definitely some that are doing it. I mean, we're meant

842
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: to have the two kilometer law and there's still people

843
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: drinking in the city.

844
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you cops have been at least

845
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 4: in Pratt we have had the best response out of

846
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: the last four weeks. They are coming out, tipping out

847
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: season and moving people on and they're doing it three

848
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 4: four times a day. So that's secondary supply that they're

849
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 4: near targeting.

850
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 6: The biggest thing that has changed recently is obviously stronger

851
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 6: futures and that inspiration now that community has had to

852
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 6: opt in to stay dry rather than opt out, which

853
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 6: a lot of health organizations, original health organizations all that

854
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 6: have said was the wrong move.

855
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: But now the horse has bolted, So how do you

856
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: want that? Well, and on that note, because I do

857
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: want to sort of transition to the Code yellow, we

858
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: know that it was a chaotic seventy two hours even longer,

859
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Speaker 1: I guess should say towards the end of last week

860
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: where there were multiple code yellows across territory hospitals, so

861
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Royal Darwin and also Palmerston Regional and then Catherine Hospital

862
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: as well. We know that that one ended in Catherine,

863
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I think it ended Friday last week. Then we had

864
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: the code yellows across the other two for a couple

865
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: of days. They've lifted now, but there were questions being

866
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: asked by the likes of the AMA and others as

867
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: to as to whether the ending of the Stronger Futures

868
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: legislation was having an impact.

869
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, I've been hearing stories out of our hospitals

870
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: about the fact that when you go to an emergency

871
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 5: department that you are sitting there unwell, surrounded by drunks.

872
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: There are just drunks, water ceiling, and then when you've

873
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 5: sat there and waited there for so long. When you're unwell,

874
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 5: you then go through to see a doctor. And the

875
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 5: beds are now like two to the each curtain section.

876
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: There are just drunks sleeping and snoring their hangover off,

877
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: if you like. And and we know that the police

878
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 5: have been dropping them off to the hospital when they

879
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 5: are drunk, because they're being treated like a taxi service.

880
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 5: And I think when you've got them, when you've you've

881
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 5: got that's more.

882
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 6: They've got to get a health check rather than just

883
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 6: being drops and left there. Then they get taken to

884
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 6: a serving upshelteros much asolutely correct.

885
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 5: So and that's rife, like there's just it's crazy. No

886
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: matter what day of the week or time of day

887
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: you go there, this is what's happening. And of course

888
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 5: that's going to take up a lot of resources. So

889
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: the people who are not the ones drinking are the

890
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: ones that are suffering.

891
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 6: I mean, I think they do steal triage obviously if

892
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 6: someone is priority wise, they don't necessarily overtake you know,

893
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 6: someone who's drunk over someone who needs the medical attention immediately.

894
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 6: I mean, in that sense, the hospitals will.

895
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: I don't think hospitals are doing a wonderful job. I mean,

896
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: the pressure that they're under is almost.

897
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 6: There isn't any stats yet as to whether they're alcohol that.

898
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 6: I mean, the shortage has been highlighted as a major

899
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 6: issue with.

900
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: The coach as well as with pressure and yeah, and

901
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: I guess that's the other part of it too. It's

902
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: like it is absolutely tragic really to hear that there's

903
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, there's seventy five seventy five people that could

904
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: should be in age care across the territory who are

905
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: in beds in the hospital because there's nowhere else for them.

906
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: I know, we have now got the funding. I think

907
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: it is for SI of those beads or yeah, and we.

908
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: Are we work in the FEDS and we're grateful that.

909
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: Obviously with the Albanezy government, they're willing to see the

910
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 4: table and talk through home care packages, which with what

911
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: we've been crying out for for a very long time

912
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: under the previous government and looking at new residential care,

913
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 4: there is just you know, there is a shortage across

914
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 4: the nation and we need more residential, sorry home care

915
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: before residential, because we know if a person stays in

916
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 4: their home, it prolongs the time before they have to

917
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 4: go into residential care.

918
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Speaker 1: Look, let's take a really short break. You are listening

919
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: to the week that was the studio with me this

920
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: morning if you have just joined us, we've got Murray

921
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: clear boothby Kathleen Gazola and Brent Potter. And before we

922
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: do wrap up for this morning, well, as we know,

923
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: we're all we've been living with COVID for quite some

924
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: time now. I think we're all pretty well. But Territorians,

925
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: the Government Center statement out saying they're encouraged to keep

926
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: practicing the COVID safe behaviors as we work to limit

927
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: the spread and protect our community. So it's no longer mandatory.

928
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: Territorians are strongly encouraged to test for COVID when feeling

929
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: unwell or showing symptoms to limit the spread. And this

930
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: is all because we know that those COVID rules as

931
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: of today are gone and no more masks.

932
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: Got rid of the app recently as well, which was good,

933
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: and I think, I mean, everyone would just like be

934
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 5: so grateful and relieved that this is all over, But

935
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 5: I don't think we can ever forget the pain that

936
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: everybody went through as well in those two years. It

937
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 5: does feel like a blur, It does feel like a

938
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: long time ago. But there are a lot of businesses

939
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 5: that suffered immensely. There are a lot of people who suffer.

940
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 5: There are a lot of health professionals who suffered immensely,

941
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: and of course we know lives were lost, so we

942
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: can't forget the pain suffering right throughout the whole community.

943
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: About I mean, you say it's over, but.

944
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 6: These restrictions now, I mean in Queensland they're bringing back

945
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 6: masks inting and.

946
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: We have to remember it's gone, and we have to

947
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: remember that the chow does still hold those powers for

948
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 5: another eighteen months, you know, the current legislation. So you're right,

949
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 5: like if something else happened and easily anything could change.

950
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: A listener question his message through get Akad during the

951
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: week that was, could you please ask the government about

952
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: the one hundred and thirty million dollars worth of rats

953
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: that they bought in the dying days of the pandemic.

954
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: What will what will we do with them now? What

955
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: is the go with those rat tests?

956
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: You know, bread, I don't even know where they are

957
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: at the moment. It's not my area.

958
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Speaker 4: But I'm happy to come back to your listener on that.

959
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll get used people using a test to find

960
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: it that actually got COVID.

961
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Speaker 3: That would be right now.

962
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: You have an expiry, don't they, So they'll do yeah,

963
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: and they're useless.

964
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I have no information on that, but I'll come

966
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: back to this, honor.

967
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be keen to find out because it was

968
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Speaker 1: well I remember at the time. I remember at the

969
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: time we're all sort of go and hang on a sex.

970
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: That's a big that was a big tender, remember, But yeah,

971
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Speaker 1: I don't know sure. What's the guy?

972
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Speaker 5: How many schools and police officers and teachers we could

973
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: pay for million dollars?

974
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: On how It Springs. What's happening out there? The last

976
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Speaker 2: time we run together, you had some plans for that.

977
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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't remember that, But I think you'll find

978
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Speaker 4: there'll be some stuff with Howard Springs in the future.

979
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Speaker 4: They got twelve months on the contract with the federal

980
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 4: government to keep it there as an emergency accommodation facility

981
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Speaker 4: for COVID or another outbreak, and obviously will work with

982
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Speaker 4: them to too.

983
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: It looks like twelve months that we could be using

984
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: it for something else, that's for sure.

985
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: What would you like it here for?

986
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 2: I think our workers village would be great.

987
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: Where are you getting workers from, Marie? You've said this before.

988
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: I've said if you get the workers and you bring

989
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: it to the table, will absolutely open it.

990
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: Economy to forty billion or whatever it is by twenty thirty.

991
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: Somewhere for them to live, and it's built.

992
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: And it's a safe place to bev We've.

993
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Speaker 3: Got bladingm Village as well. There's plenty of accommodation as

994
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: a city. Last time we've been used by the define

995
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: the workers.

996
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: Well, look we've run out of time. Thank you all

997
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: as always. Mary Clare Boothby from the COLP, thanks so

998
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,479
Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

999
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 5: Thank you and a big shout out to all the

1000
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 5: veterans who will be commemorating Remember and stay today absolutely.

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00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine Newstar and thank you for your

1002
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: time this morning. And Brent Potter from the ALP, thanks

1003
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: so much for your time.

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00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: Thanks Katy always to be That's well.

1005
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: That is the week that was for this morning. Still

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Speaker 1: plenty more coming your way after ten o'clock right here

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Speaker 1: on Mixed one oh four nine