1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. Today's Thursday, 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: the twenty eighth of July, and on today's podcast we're 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: diving into the government's new emissions target bill. The forty 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: three percent figure has been thrown around a lot. We've 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: certainly posted about it a lot. 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: But what does it. 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: All mean Sam. We'll get to that in just a 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: little while, But first, what's making headlines today. 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: Prices are up by six point one percent in the 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: year up to June. According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: this is the highest level of inflation in twenty one 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: years now. Inflation is determined using the Consumer Price Index, 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: which tracks the price of a range of common items, 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: so think about it as the cost of your supermarket basket. 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in New Zealand, in a world first, and this 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: is a really interesting one, legislation was introduced yesterday to 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: prevent the uptake of smoking in teenagers. The bill, if passed, 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: would introduce a steadily rising age limit to the purchase 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: of cigarettes and would reduce the nicotine content in cigarettes. 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: It received cross party support and it's affected to come 21 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: into effect next year. 22 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Of past New South Wales police have renewed appeals for 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: public information into the deaths of two sisters in the 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: Sydney unit last month. The women's cause of death still 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: hasn't been identified. Police, however, believe they had been deceased 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: for quote some time before being located. 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: And today's good news is people doing good in what 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: is otherwise a bad situation, but an ocean cleanup operation 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: has officially removed over one hundred thousand kilograms of plastic 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: from the Pacific Ocean. The project collected the garbage across 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: an area of over three thousand square kilometers, so that 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 1: is a mighty effort. 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: It's back to school for our parliamentarians this week. They 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: have descended on Nations capital to jump into the chambers 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: and get stuck into it. And the government has not 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: lost any time in introducing its climate change bill. 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: So it's the legislation good to go, a legislated forty 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: three percent legislating. Qreens leader Adam Man has threatened, aside 39 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: with the Liberals and masts strong action on qlimity. The 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Greens what they want a minister of course, he is 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: lost in negotiation. 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: He's issued a list of demand It's going to be 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: a tax on every Australia. 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: Australian people voted for action on climate change or my 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: twenty one and then the Parliament has a chance to 46 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: vote for action on climate change. 47 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: There's been so much political back and forth about this 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: over the last few weeks. Why don't we take a 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: step back and really get to the heart of what 50 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: this emission's target actually is. 51 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Sure, so, at the most simple level, the target is 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: to reduce emissions to forty three percent of two thousand 53 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: and five levels by twenty thirty. So forty three percent 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: on two thousand and five levels by twenty thirty. 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: And why is it forty three? Why not are we 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: talking about forty two or forty four or even you know, ninety. 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: It's a good question and it's interesting to understand how 58 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Labor came to this number. So they did it almost 59 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: in a retrospective fashion, which was to say that they 60 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: worked out what policies they wanted to implement to reduce 61 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: a missions, things like penalizing large polluters and upgrading the 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: electricity grid, and with that in place, they worked out 63 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: how much lower emissions would be as a result. So 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: once they had their plan, they commissioned modeling to work 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: out really what that would mean in terms of reducing emissions, 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: and when they landed with forty three percent, they decided 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: to run with that as their emission's target goal. 68 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 2: It's an interesting way to go about setting a target, 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: so they didn't set the target on what they'd committed 70 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: to it, say the Glasgow Climate Summit, for example. 71 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: The Glasgow Climate Summit was a meeting we spoke about many, many, 72 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: many times, and it was held last November. It saw 73 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: leaders from around two hundred countries come together to discuss 74 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: their plans to tackle climate change. At that summit, every 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: one of those member nations made a pact which said 76 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: that global emissions would need to be forty five percent 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: below twenty ten levels by twenty thirty to limit warming 78 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: to that one point five degrees celsius. 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: So where a signatory to that pact? So does the 80 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: proposed emissions target we're currently talking about meet that target 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: they reached in Glasgow? 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: D answer is no, Labor announce their plan after the summit. 83 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: And remember here that they were in opposition, but they 84 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: need to increase their target to meet the commitments that 85 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: were agreed to in Glasgow. In other words, if every 86 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: country took the same approach, as Labour's forty three percent 87 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: target that the world wouldn't actually succeed at limiting global 88 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: warming to one point five degrees. 89 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: How likely is it looking that Labor will get their 90 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: proposed bill passed into law? 91 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: So this is the lay of the land. Labor has 92 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: this bill that they want to get through to legislate 93 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: their emission's target. And you might be wondering why, Well, 94 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: the government has said that they'll reach their forty three 95 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: percent target either way with or without this legislation, but 96 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: they think passing the target into law will give it 97 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: more certainty, especially considering there will be two more federal elections, 98 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: which is a terrifying thought before twenty thirty, and no 99 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: guarantee that Labor will win them. So it's almost an 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: accountability measure as such. 101 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: And what's standing in the government's way, Well. 102 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: The opposition, who is the coalition at present, doesn't want 103 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: to support legislating that forty three percent. The coalition's proposed 104 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: target at the last election was twenty six to twenty 105 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: eight percent, so considerably lower in terms of that emissions 106 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: reduction target. 107 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: And what about the Greens. 108 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: The Greens are in an interesting position, so they think 109 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: that forty three percent as a target isn't ambitious enough. 110 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Coming into this year's election, their target was seventy five 111 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: percent emissions reduction by twenty thirty and net zero by 112 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: twenty thirty five, so considerably higher targets than what the 113 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: Labor government took to the election. The Greens also had 114 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot of success at the polls. They won a 115 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: record number of seats in the House and also form 116 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: part of the balance of power in the Senate, so 117 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: they're really important stakeholders in this discussion. Essentially, Labor doesn't 118 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: have a majority in the Senate, which means that if 119 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: they want to get their climate emissions bill through the 120 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: upper house, they'll need the Greens or independents on their side. 121 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: So this is put the Greens in what can only 122 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: be described as a prime position really to negotiate with 123 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: the government on their. 124 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: Proposed bill, and are the Greens on site. 125 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: Adam Bant, who's the leader of the Greens, has shown 126 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: what we could describe a willingness to negotiate with Labor 127 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: on their climate bill, but there are a few sticking points. 128 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: The Greens want an assurance from the government that the 129 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: forty three percent would be a flaw, not a ceiling, 130 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: so there'd be room to negotiate in the future to 131 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: increase this target. And we know now the government has 132 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: agreed to this, But the Greens also want the government 133 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: to ban new coal and gas projects. Adam Bant said, 134 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: and I quote, you don't put the fire out while 135 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: pouring petrol on it. This is where the government's drawn 136 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: their line and has said that they won't legislate a moratorium. 137 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Interesting, what is going to happen next? 138 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: So Labor has the power to pass the bill in 139 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: the lower House, which is the House of Reps, but 140 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: it'll need the Greens and one other crossbencher to pass 141 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: the bill in the Senate. That vote isn't likely to 142 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: happen for a little while, so we'll keep an eye 143 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: on how negotiations play out in the meantime. But this 144 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: is certainly something that will be interesting when we understand 145 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: the role of the crossbench on matters like this. 146 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: That's all we time for today on The Daily Oz. 147 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: If you did enjoy today's episode, please give us a 148 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: review on Apple or a rating on Spotify. Your support 149 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: is always greatly appreciated.