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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 2: Join the conversation with Katie Wolf. You are our eyes

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Speaker 2: and ears in the Territory mixed one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 3: Joining me in the studio right now is the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 3: Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, gooday Katy now Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: The territory's Chief Health Officer has now declared a hotspot

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Speaker 3: over Greater Melbourne and the Bendigo Local Government areas. The

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Speaker 3: advice means that anyone traveling to the Northern Territory from

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Speaker 3: a COVID nineteen hot spot, which currently includes obviously Greater

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Speaker 3: Melbourne and the Bendigo Local Government areas, must undertake fourteen

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Speaker 3: days of mandatory supervised quarantine as we know, do we

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Speaker 3: have any idea how many people this is going to

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Speaker 3: impact today in terms of flights arriving.

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Speaker 4: Big decision last night, so we had simpsy around seven

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Speaker 4: thirty pm to discuss it.

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Speaker 2: In the advice from the Chief Health Officer.

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Speaker 4: We have in recent times looked at exposure sites and

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Speaker 4: other ways of tackling this, but there is concern obviously

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Speaker 4: about the number of cases and the spreader cases, and

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Speaker 4: the feeling is.

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Speaker 2: That we're now to be safe.

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Speaker 4: We had to capture Greater Melbourne, which we've done. At

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Speaker 4: that point in time, there were two flights expected to

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Speaker 4: land after midnight and there was around three hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty passengers expected on those flights. Around one hundred people

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Speaker 4: have landed and gone into quarantine overnight, so we do

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Speaker 4: know people are now very much aware of were fifteen

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Speaker 4: months in. So people are very much aware of what

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Speaker 4: can happen and adjust their plans quite quickly. We've got

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Speaker 4: a hold of both airlines and they are able to

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Speaker 4: advise passengers what was occurring. Obviously, passengers can that point

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Speaker 4: choose to not come, which is what essentially has happened.

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Speaker 4: So around one hundred people into house springs.

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people though, were questioning why

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Speaker 3: it took so long to call that hot spoth so

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Speaker 3: like the number of cases hasn't jumped dramatically from yesterday

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Speaker 3: morning about nine point thirty to last night seven thirty,

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Speaker 3: so why was that decision not made sooner?

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Speaker 4: So a lot of conversation during the day around should

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Speaker 4: it be all of Greater Melbourne or not? So some

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Speaker 4: jurisdictions haven't gone all the Greater molbment. Some jurisdictions have

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Speaker 4: so conversation around what should be the geographic area, and

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Speaker 4: then obviously decision at seven thirty about supervised quarantine.

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Speaker 3: Again, though I'll ask there were those fifteen cases by

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Speaker 3: nine thirty yesterday. Why does the government keep making these

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Speaker 4: The decision was made prior to departure, so we're keeping

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Speaker 4: an eye on the departure times. Look, I have to

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Speaker 4: probably put my hand up to be a little bit

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Speaker 4: at fault here. So I was in our springs yesterday

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Speaker 4: we probably could have met slowly earlier than seven thirty,

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Speaker 4: but seven thirty was when I got off the plane.

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Speaker 2: It was able to convene the SEMPSE to have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: So realistically that's the reason why, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Probably could have been done, would have otherwise been done

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Speaker 4: somewhere between five and seven, but I was physically in

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Speaker 4: of coordination conversations amongst the SEMPSEY. But having said that,

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Speaker 4: that gave time for the chief otherlso to consider the advice.

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Speaker 4: But look, I'm happy to take some responsibility for that

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Speaker 4: to our delay at the end there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, it's probably pretty cold

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Speaker 3: comfort to some of the people who've been impacted by this.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to what some of them have told

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Speaker 3: Sky News a little bit earlier this morning.

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Speaker 4: Well, I sped away for three and a half weeks,

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Speaker 1: They're in the air when the government changed their rules,

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Speaker 1: and here we are.

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Speaker 4: She's going to the camp taken away from me with

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Speaker 4: my kids for another two week's.

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Speaker 1: Good on your Australian government.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling.

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Speaker 1: Just disappointed to plated, concerned for my family?

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about the way your whole communication

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Speaker 2: this has.

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Speaker 1: Made O It's typically appalling.

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Speaker 3: Typically appalling is the way that that passenger described it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what's your reaction to that.

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Speaker 4: Always complete sympathy to anyone who's had their life impacted

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Speaker 4: by these decisions. There are times we've had to make

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Speaker 4: it mid air. Mindstanding is decision. The decision was made

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Speaker 4: prior to departure, and people were informed prior to departure.

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Speaker 4: We obviously can't control what happens at the Victorian end

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister a question from one of our listeners it says,

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Speaker 3: please ask the Chief Minister what happens to anyone who's

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Speaker 3: been in Greater Melbourne for the past five days but

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Speaker 3: either at home or at Howard Springs.

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Speaker 4: In a suitable premise. So if your premise is not suitable,

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Speaker 4: then Howard Springs. But yeah, we're asking people to essentially

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Speaker 4: test and isolate for forteen What makes.

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Speaker 3: It different though, I guess then if you look at

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Speaker 3: the fact that at nine point thirty yesterday in morning

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Speaker 3: we knew that there were those fifteen cases, we didn't

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Speaker 3: declare it then, but then you know in the evening

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Speaker 3: last night we did declare it. I mean, did anybody

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Speaker 3: arrive yesterday on a flight there? And why those people

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Speaker 4: So this is the situation we're faced over fifteen months,

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Speaker 4: and we always just draw a line in the sand.

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Speaker 4: We say, from prior this time, is this some posts

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Speaker 4: that time? It's that I you're already in the territory,

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Speaker 4: it's that isolation rule. If you come in after that date,

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Speaker 4: it's the quarantine. There always has to be a line

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Speaker 4: line somewhere, and we've had to wrestle that all the

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Speaker 4: a new situation, but there comes points on me.

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Speaker 2: You destroy a.

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Speaker 1: Line, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: The opposition yesterday questioned why aren't these interstate passengers being

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Speaker 1: So this was yesterday throughout the day.

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Speaker 3: Is it because NT Health has failed to recruit the

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Speaker 1: Is that the case? No?

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Speaker 4: No, So obviously we stood at the supervised quarantine last

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Speaker 4: night after our decision. We took one hundred people over

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Speaker 4: change their plans. We find now there's a much much

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Speaker 4: People just adjust there their plans.

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Speaker 1: How many staff have now been recruited out there at

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Speaker 4: I have to double check the latest number, mister for

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Speaker 2: I do know that, so I'd have to get you

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Speaker 2: the exact number.

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Speaker 3: Now, can I ask you what's the decision to cancel

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Speaker 3: or by the AFL.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's clarify that, so it's extremely likely to be canceled,

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Speaker 4: has actually been formally canceled yet, that will be a

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Speaker 4: the chow to consider in the timeframe involved. It's extremely

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Speaker 4: like unlikely that plan would be approved, but it's not

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Speaker 4: formally canceled yet. That's a decision that will happen today.

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Speaker 3: But as I understand that those clubs of one of

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Speaker 3: the clubs has made well, they're not actually able to

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Speaker 4: So any plan the AFL will put together for the

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Speaker 4: CHOE to consider. Obviously, safety of territorians comes first, and

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Speaker 4: the AFL would have to demonstrate how they were aboule

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Speaker 4: to get here, play the game and leave.

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Speaker 2: They're interacting with territories.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying it could still happen, so.

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Speaker 4: Extremely unlikely, extremely unlikely, but it's not automatic veto. So

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Speaker 4: we had AFL here obviously last year and they had

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Speaker 4: a bubble situation set up which the chow signed off on,

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Speaker 4: but there's a lot more time evolved prior.

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Speaker 2: To that decision.

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Speaker 4: Considering the amount of time evolved between now and the game,

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Speaker 4: it's unlikely, extremely unlikely to occur. But in good faith

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Speaker 4: negotiations AFL can they if they choose lodger plan, which

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Speaker 4: the Chief Health Officer that can then consider that.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, the Chief Health Officer might not sign

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Speaker 4: So ex extremely unlikely that would happen, but in good

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Speaker 4: faith we're still having conversations with the AFL today about

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Speaker 4: whether the game is or isn't possible. It would start,

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Speaker 3: Would you feel comfortable with that as the leader of

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Speaker 4: Would depend on what plan they put forward. And obviously

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Speaker 4: that is unlikely in the time that we've got available,

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, it's likely to be canceled today,

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Speaker 4: that that is the most likely outcome. But it's not

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Speaker 4: an automatic veto with what fifteen months actually probably longer.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen months into COVID, we've got six to two months

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Speaker 2: But the main filter always is the safety of territorians.

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Speaker 4: If that cannot be satisfied to the highest of standards,

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Speaker 4: then obviously it gets canceled. All I'm saying is in

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Speaker 4: to negotiate an outcome too. If the game is canceled

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Speaker 4: about what we get next? Now, no one should get

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Speaker 4: too excited.

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Speaker 2: Time game.

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Speaker 4: I can't like, I don't want to put that. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to people expect about delivers something similar this time.

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Speaker 4: But by acting in good faith for the AFL under

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Speaker 4: our contract, it puts US in a batter position the

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Speaker 4: next time around. But safety of territorians always first.

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Speaker 1: The reality probably is that it's going to have.

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Speaker 2: Likely cancer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's move along, because the situation with the NT

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Speaker 3: Treaty Commissioner continues following allegations that he'd verbally abused women.

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Speaker 3: Now it seems the Treaty Commissioner is going to remain

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Speaker 3: in his two hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 3: taxpayer funded job well for at least two more weeks

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Speaker 3: after taking sick leave.

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Speaker 4: Why there are employment conditions that people can access which

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Speaker 4: the Treaty Commissioner is doing. I think a couple important

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Speaker 4: Treaty Commissioner can defend himself. That's a protection he's allowed

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Speaker 4: to And we're currently essentially in an employment law situation

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Speaker 2: That's the role he's got.

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Speaker 4: We've lost confidence and the ability for that to happen

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Speaker 2: There are things in place that we are obliged to do.

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Speaker 4: We've made our position clear and by going on sick leave,

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Speaker 1: Getting paid obviously at the taxpayer's expense as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, under under that employment law. So we've obviously made

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Speaker 3: I mean, the allegations here are very serious. Is this

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Speaker 4: I think the Treaty Commissioner has taken advantage of the

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Speaker 2: Advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling about that?

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Speaker 3: The government though, going to the mover emotion to have

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Speaker 4: Well, that two week period is taking at the moment

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Speaker 3: But if it's a situation where he doesn't resign himself

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Speaker 2: Well, we've made up is very clear.

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Speaker 4: I'd be extremely unhappy for someday I've got to August

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Speaker 2: And if it's not, well, you do what you have

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Speaker 3: And I guess the reality here is though that he

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Speaker 4: I would have to be careful commenting there about exactly

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Speaker 1: So realistically you don't think it's appropriate that he remains

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Speaker 2: Oh when we communicated that to him, both formally and informally.

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Speaker 3: Now today the IKAK Commissioner is seeking legal advice after

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Speaker 4: Any i CAC investigation is very serious, simply by the

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Speaker 4: The KAC commission has made it clear probably does two

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Speaker 4: that's very very important thing. The i CAAC Commissioner has

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Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the people caught up in this,

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Speaker 4: I will give him the credit that he's genuinely acknowledged

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Speaker 2: To address that. But obviously it's a serious error.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is a pretty big mistake, and it's

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Speaker 4: Well, the ICAC is governed by, or oversighted by an

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Speaker 4: We are considering for other statuary officers, there is actually

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Speaker 2: Do that work.

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Speaker 4: And obviously that happened with in regards to the comments,

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Speaker 3: Has does this latest incident cloud previous or future reporting.

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Speaker 4: I believe that we would know if errors have been made.

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Speaker 4: Has been had to very publicly, right, so I think

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Speaker 4: I believe that the former speaker, she can speak for herself,

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Speaker 4: IKAK report is never the full stop. That rarely the

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Speaker 3: Just finally this morning another reporter of a very serious

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Speaker 4: I spoke to the Police Commissioner this morning and the

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Speaker 4: much more information than that. Apart from it factor is serious.

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Speaker 3: Chief better to Michael Gunner. We better leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Always appreciate your time. Thanks very much for coming in

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Speaker 3: with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you