1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: A quick warning. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: This podcast contains distressing themes, including domestic violence. If you 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: or anyone you know needs help, you can reach out 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: to one eight hundred respect on one eight hundred seven 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: three seven seven three to two. 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the DAILYA. 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: the twenty fourth of March. 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: Last week, a coronial inquest heard evidence relating to the 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: killing of twenty one year old Lily James. 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Lily was killed in October. 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty three by Paul Tyson, with whom she 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: had ended a short relationship less than a week earlier. 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: In today's podcast, we'll explain what we now understand happened 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: on the day of her murder and the events leading. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: Up to it. Zara, this is a really distressing story, 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: and I remember it really clearly when it broke and 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: the kind of days and weeks after the actual incident itself. 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: For anyone though, who might not have seen this in 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: the headlines back in twenty twenty three, can you talk 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: me through what exactly happened here? 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, on October twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, the 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: body of twenty one year old Lily James was discovered 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: by police in the bathroom of Saint Andrew's Cathedral School 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: in Sydney's CBD. At the time, police said that Lily, 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: who was a part time water polo coach at the school, 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: was working on the night of her death. According to police, 31 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: she suffered serious head injuries. Shortly after Lily's body was found, 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: police ruled her death a homicide and named a prime suspect, 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: Paul Tyson. He had made a call to emergency services 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: shortly after the murder telling them the location of her body. 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: After a wide scale police investigation, a few days later, 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: police found the body of Tyson in the water in 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: Diamond Bay. 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Voulka, I'm ten to understand a little bit more about 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: the events that led up to the murder of Lily, 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: But before we get into those details, why don't you 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about who Lily James was. 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Who this twenty one year old was. 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really important place to start 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: this podcast, because she's being described as this really vibrant, 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: outgoing and beloved young person by basically everyone that knew her. 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: She was born in Sydney South and she had one sibling, 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: a brother called Max. Lily graduated from school in twenty twenty. 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: She was studying sports business at uts Or Sports Management 49 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: and she was due to graduate in twenty twenty three. 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: As I said, she was working part time at s Andrew's, 51 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: and the school described her as full of vitality, energy, 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: enthusiasm and a natural fit in the school community. Her 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: colleague said that she was a smart, compassionate young lady 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: who impacted the lives of many at the school. And 55 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: it was working in that job at s andrew that 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: she met Paul Tyson, the man responsible ultimately for her murder. 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: And you said earlier that in the early stages of 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: this investigation it was Paul Tyson who is identified by 59 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: police as a prime suspect. Talk me through what we 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: know about him. 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: What I think is important to know about him is 62 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: that he and Lily were known to each other, so 63 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: they dated very briefly before he murdered her. And as 64 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: we've learned during the course of the coronial inquest, he 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: demonstrated extreme levels of coercive control during that very brief period. 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: It was a matter of weeks that they were seeing 67 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: each other, alongside multiple examples of physical stalking in the 68 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: weeks leading up to her death. The court was told 69 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: that Tyson used a range of emotionally abusive and manipulation 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: tactics to erode Lily's sense of self. So he did 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: things like used Snapchat to monitor her location. He became 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: agitated when he found out that she was attending a 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: party with her ex partners for example. These are some 74 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: of the behaviors that the court heard about in the 75 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: lead up to her death. 76 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: Can you just describe coercive control for yeah? 77 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, coercive control is a form of domestic violence 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: where a person denies a victim autonomy and independence over time. 79 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: So it's being criminalized in states across the country. And 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: we've spoken about that before. It really came, i guess 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: into the popular vernacular following the very brutal murder of 82 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: Hannah Clark in Queensland. Findings from a national review of 83 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: domestic and family violence found that over eighty percent of 84 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: men who killed a current or previous female partner had 85 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: exhibited nonviolent behaviors like coercive control against their partners that 86 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: they then went on to kill. 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: And we understand that he was exhibiting these sorts of 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: behaviors in the lead up to Lily James's murder itself. 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: And the reason we're talking about it today is because 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: of this colonial inquest last week. What did we learn 91 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: from the coronial inquest? 92 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do just want to clarify quickly. I 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: said that Tyson was found dead shortly after the murder, 94 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: and so what that means is that no trial, no 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: formal trial can be held in this situation. Instead, as 96 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: I said, there's this coronial inquest, and a coronial inquest 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: is just a court hearing where the coroner considers evidence 98 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: to determine the identity of the deceased and the date, place, manner, 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: and cause of death of the decease. So it's what 100 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: they can do with what they have available. 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: And what you'll often find with a coronial inquest is 102 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: they often look at at a death and try and 103 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: figure out what were the bigger themes here and what 104 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: can we be doing better as a society to prevent 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: similar deaths in the future. So it might be a 106 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: way that the hospital system could be working better. And 107 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: we're not at that stage of the inquest yet. The 108 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: coroner then takes some time to review the evidence and 109 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: will come back to us in weeks or months with recommendations. Essentially, 110 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: there were three days of hearings last week. What was 111 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: kind of talked about there? 112 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess the key takeaway from all of 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: these hearings is that the murder of Lily James was premeditated. 114 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: The court was shown quite a lot of CCTV footage 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: of Tyson. One of those clips was him standing in 116 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: a Mito ten store looking at different types of hammers 117 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: and basically assessing their weight. The inquest was also told 118 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: of Tyson putting a cleaning sign in front of one 119 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: bathroom door so that Lily would go to a different bathroom, 120 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: the larger disabled bathroom, which is where the attack took place. 121 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: The court also heard that Tyson practiced his attack in 122 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: the hours before it occurred. And again there was this 123 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: CCTV footage that was then released publicly with the consent 124 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: of Lily's family that showed him basically practicing bursting into 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: the bathroom, practicing how this attack would eventually take place. 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: All of these things coming together to really paint a 127 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: picture of someone that had planned out every step. 128 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: Of this attack. It was really disturbing footage to watch, 129 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: and there is something about seeing these moments play out 130 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: in the grainy CCTV footage that really brings this story 131 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: to another level in the way that we think about it. 132 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: You said at the beginning that straight after the attack, 133 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Tyson called emergency services. 134 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, So the inquest was played an audio of 135 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: him calling Triple zero and in the recording, he basically 136 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: tells the operator that there is a body at the school, 137 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: and he specifies exactly how police should go and find it. 138 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: He doesn't disclose his name, but we now understand that 139 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 2: moments after that phone call ends, he died. 140 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: And Zara, you mentioned Lily's parents just before and then 141 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: consenting to a lot of this footage and audio being released. 142 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: They also appeared at the inquest. What did they say? 143 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as you can imagine, their devastation was palpable. 144 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: It was palpable. In this statement, I've watched a bunch 145 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: of interviews they sat down with sixty minutes, a really 146 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: moving interview. There they said they would love their daughter forever, 147 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: that they would never forget her. They said she was beautiful, independent, intelligent, 148 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: and loyal, and that she could light up a room. 149 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: But then they also spoke of this fear that they 150 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: had around educating young men. They said in the statement, 151 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: if we are not teaching boys how to accept and 152 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: value a woman's opinions and choices and accept rejection, we 153 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: may be setting them up for failure or in our case, 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: a moment of time that we will never recover from. 155 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: It's a really harrowing story and I can't help but 156 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: think about the fact that this coronial inquest was playing 157 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: out the same week that Adolescence, a series on Netflix, 158 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: was also dominating a lot of kind of topics of conversation, 159 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: not just in Australia but all over the world. I 160 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: heard a statement from the UK Prime Minister in Parliament 161 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: talking about almost word for word, the exact sentiment of 162 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: the sentence that you just read out from Lily's parents, 163 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: And it seems that when the coroner passes down their findings, 164 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: that the role of education, especially for young boys, could 165 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: very well be a theme in those recommendations. 166 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so from here, as you said, we will wait 167 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: to hear from the coroner with those findings and recommendations. 168 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: But I do just want to end this podcast again 169 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: with a reminder that there is always help available. 170 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: If you or. 171 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Anyone you know needs some of that help, you can 172 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: reach out to one eight hundred respect As I said 173 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: at the top on one eight hundred seven three seven 174 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: seven three to two, take care of yourself today and 175 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: we'll be back again later with the day's headlines. 176 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 177 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl Country. 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