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Speaker 1: Late last week, it was revealed the colp's member for Braitling,

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Speaker 1: Josh Burgoyne, had been involved in a crash in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Now yesterday, Josh Burgoyne issued a statement confirming he and

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Speaker 1: his wife were involved in that crash in August. He

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Speaker 1: He claims he was told those taken to hospital were

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Speaker 1: as a matter of precaution. Now, since then, mister Burgoyne

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Speaker 1: said he had not heard anything further about that accident

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Speaker 1: and no reason had no reason to believe that there'd

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Speaker 1: be any actions taken. Last week he was called by

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Speaker 1: police though, indicating that he'd likely be charged in relation

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Speaker 1: to the accident. Yesterday, he was charged with careless striving

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Speaker 1: causing serious harm under the Traffic Act. Now, the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leafanocchiaro joins me in the studio. Good morning to you, Leah, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, when did you first become aware of the incident?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, in August last year, Josh was involved in

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Speaker 2: a motor vehicle accident in his private vehicle with his wife,

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Speaker 2: who was thirty eight weeks pregnant. At the time, So

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Speaker 2: you know he told me about that. My immediate concern,

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Speaker 2: of course, as any territory in receiving that call, would

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Speaker 2: be for the welfare of everyone involved. And you know,

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Speaker 2: at that time Josh had no reason to believe anything.

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Speaker 2: As his statement said, he was told it was a

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Speaker 2: precaution to take people to hospital. So time passes on,

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Speaker 2: seven months goes by, and of course then last week

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Speaker 2: he's rung during parliament saying, oh, you know you're likely

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Speaker 2: to be charged, and so fast forward to fright yesterday

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Speaker 2: he was only charged yesterday. So as soon as that

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Speaker 2: information came to light, because of course Josh didn't have

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Speaker 2: the information, he then made a public statement because you know,

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Speaker 2: that's absolutely the right thing to do. That's what he's done,

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Speaker 2: and it's clearly before the courts now and so people

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Speaker 1: So why at the time when they accident happened, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is the question that's beening asked. Why at the

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Speaker 1: time when that accident happened, didn't you or Josh come

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Speaker 2: And that's a good question, and some people might think that,

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Speaker 2: but ultimately, really what would I have said? This is

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Speaker 2: a politicians of people too. He was involved in a

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Speaker 2: traffic accident. It's something happy that happens to people every

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Speaker 2: single day, and the public interest really arises upon it

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Speaker 2: becoming a matter that is looked at by the police

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Speaker 2: and of course then by the courts. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to take criticism from people if they felt

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Speaker 2: the time, but ultimately I don't agree. I think the

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Speaker 2: real important point was that when there's information to give,

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Speaker 2: that information is given. And that's exactly what Josh did yesterday.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I have noticed over the

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Speaker 1: referring to this as an accident. But the point is

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Speaker 1: here that from those charges being laid, there has been

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Speaker 1: rules broken, the law has been broken, and our road

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to disagree with that, Katie. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you know, there have been terrible incidences on our roads

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Speaker 1: So despite the other people being taken away in the ambulance,

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Speaker 2: Again, I think that would be a confidentiality issue. I mean,

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Speaker 1: They're not going to give you that medical information. But

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Speaker 2: Months for police to come around and charge. They've now

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Speaker 1: So just to confirm, are you saying that he did

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Speaker 2: He heard from police last week literally and they didn't

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. You would have to ask Josh.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess the problem is we can't. We can't

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Speaker 1: ask him anything. And that's the whole point at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. You know, there was a press conference,

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Speaker 1: Yes today, Yes, he's come out with a statement, but

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Speaker 1: So that's where that speculation starts to mount.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the reality is, what are we talking

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Speaker 1: This we're talking about openness and transparency, But to.

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Speaker 2: You know, what is the objective here? Now? Whether his

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Speaker 2: does that materially change anything? I don't know either, Cad.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose The point that's definitely worth making

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Speaker 1: is last week you guys were screaming at the government

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Speaker 2: Well that's a great that's a great question that you've asked.

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Speaker 2: So what we've got is a desperate labor government doing

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Speaker 2: Now Chancey, Paike, the Attorney General, and Evil all of

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Speaker 2: Katie is come Friday we had the Police Minister of

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Speaker 2: that is entirely inappropriate as the police minister. So to me,

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Speaker 2: this reeks of desperate distraction politics from a government that

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Speaker 1: Think this is like a concoction from the governmental Oh?

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Speaker 2: I think they are jumping on this and to distract

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad that Robin Lamley has referred Brent Potter

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Speaker 2: It really is extraordinary. But can I just say, we

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Speaker 1: Going to be able to focus on the job at hand,

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Speaker 1: though while he has got this court case now lingering

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Speaker 2: Without question, Josh is an incredible local member of Parliament.

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Speaker 2: He is so passionate about Alice Springs. He was born there.

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Speaker 2: He just loves that place with every breath in his

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Speaker 2: body and he will continue to fight. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: just have to look at the front page of the

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Speaker 2: and Josh will continue to be an exceptional local member.

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Speaker 1: The member has now been charged though, with careless striving

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Speaker 1: causing serious harm. And I understand that people are innocent

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Speaker 1: Burgogne going to be able to stay in that shadow role?

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Speaker 2: I mean it is going to.

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Speaker 1: Be hanging over your heads now.

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Speaker 2: Well, he will go through this process and that's just

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't impact at all on his ability to

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Speaker 1: There's an impact on his ability though to say that

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. He literally got charged yesterday and walked straight

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Speaker 1: The fact is he has been involved in an incident.

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Speaker 1: And I totally agree that the situation between the Attorney

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Speaker 1: from Josh's perspective, he's heard nothing from the police. But

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Speaker 1: hang on a second. You're all too quick to call

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Speaker 2: I think that's not the case in this situationally different. Well,

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Speaker 1: it is quite different.

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Speaker 2: That's right. But our job is to hold the government

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Speaker 2: I've just outlined for your listeners what has happened, and

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Speaker 2: I think people expect us to be talking about the bigger,

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Speaker 2: more important issues now. Chancey Paate buying shares while he

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Speaker 2: managed that conflict in cabinet is a very serious issue. Now.

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Speaker 2: That's not to minimize or take away from whatever the

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Speaker 2: court process will be going forward, but nothing is stopping

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Speaker 2: us to continue to do the important work ahead of us.

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Speaker 2: We are so very focused, Katie, on talking about the

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Speaker 2: very happy to accept criticism about not notifying people in August,

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Speaker 2: but again I go back to the point of you know,

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Speaker 1: We've done, At what point does it become the public

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Speaker 1: does it become public interests that a member should be

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Speaker 2: Well, at that time it was a traffic accident and

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Speaker 2: there was no more information about that. At this point

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Speaker 2: in time, there have been charges laid and that's immediately

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Speaker 2: been made open to the community. So Josh fronted up

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Speaker 2: yesterday and absolutely made that statement. So again, we're focused

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Speaker 2: on the future. We believe strongly in the territory. Our

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Speaker 2: entire team is behind Josh and our mission, and our

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Speaker 2: mission is to change the government. We have to save

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Speaker 2: is destroying people's lives, and so is crime, and that's

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Speaker 1: So at this point in time, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: Josh Bergown is not going to stand down wild court

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Speaker 2: No, No, that won't be the case, and I think

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Speaker 2: that would be really irresponsible. Why should the people in

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Speaker 2: Brackley not have representation during that period. I mean democracy

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Speaker 2: is very important principle to uphold and Josh is an

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Speaker 2: absolute fighter for his community, as is all of my team,

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Speaker 2: and that's why we're so focused, Katie, and we're not

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Speaker 1: The distraction though that you guys are calling out the

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Speaker 1: fact that crime's the biggest issue in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: right now, and it is, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: While you've got a member of your team facing criminal charges, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't see anything that stops any of us from pursuing

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Speaker 2: a safer territory. That's what we all want. That's why

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Speaker 2: our policies are very focused in that space, because we

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Speaker 2: living if our community isn't safe. So that remains our priority.

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Speaker 2: Yet to really be able to explain their vision for

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Speaker 2: eight years we have suffered and things have continued to

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Speaker 1: Leah, Just finally, will there be any action now from

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Speaker 1: you as the alternative Chief Minister or is this it?

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Speaker 1: A member of your team can face criminal charges and

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Speaker 1: on those Labor Party members to resign over what you

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Speaker 2: I think everything has to be taken in the context

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Speaker 2: of what it is right. There's no blanket way of

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Speaker 2: doing anything. So in this situation, Josh has come forward

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Speaker 2: upon the charges and now that court process needs to

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Speaker 2: take its place. We fully support Josh. We will continue

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Speaker 2: the territory's best days are ahead of us. And while

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Speaker 1: You did touch on earlier the fact that you said

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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley has referred this now to the ICA Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: So do you feel as though the police have been

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Speaker 1: used to some sort of pawn in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, I certainly found it extraordinary that out of all

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Speaker 2: the Police Minister, particularly given if we'd made it very

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Speaker 2: clear that no charges had been laid, so he would

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Speaker 2: have known that because we said that, he was making

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Speaker 2: all kinds of public comments on your show and insinuations,

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Speaker 2: which is entirely inappropriate. And if I was a police

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Speaker 2: officer listening to the police minister talk about an active

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Speaker 2: investigation like that, I would seriously question his ability to

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Speaker 2: clearly so did the Member for Ara Lewin, which is

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Speaker 1: A very quick one. Leah Russell's just message through. He said,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Katie. Can you please ask the leader of

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Speaker 1: the opposition whether she thinks that the current issues regarding shares,

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Speaker 1: motivehicle accident are damaging to both Labor and the COLP.

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in defending or accusing these but in

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think people will make their own minds up. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: it's this is not an issue that people have raised

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Speaker 2: with me, whereas the share scandal absolutely is. And of

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Speaker 2: course there's a long list of behavior from Labor around

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Speaker 2: this failure to manage conflicts of interest share issues. But

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Speaker 2: you know, Russell, you like every other territory, will make

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Speaker 2: up your own mind. My job is to make sure

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Speaker 2: you understand what life looks like under a future CLP

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Speaker 2: government and that you will be safer. Our economy will

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Speaker 2: And ultimately, if we're given that opportunity to govern, people

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Speaker 1: All right, Leah, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Appreciate your time this morning. As always, thank

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care everyone,