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Speaker 1: the member for Solomon Luke Gosling. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Luke, Good morning Katie Luke.

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Speaker 1: We know that, as I mentioned, a lot of territorians

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Speaker 2: Well, we always knew this day would occur. Maybe the

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Speaker 2: Regardless of what the Teliban says about not seeking retribution

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Speaker 1: Now I know that. Well, the Prime Minister Scott Morrison

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Speaker 1: What is the current situation for those out there listening

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Speaker 2: There are a number of Australian aid workers and journalists,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty negligent now when we've got an ADF who

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Speaker 2: But I just think I owe it to every Afghan

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Speaker 1: Look have you been in contact with any of those

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Speaker 2: They're just sickened by it all. And of course the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh look, I tell you what, it's a really

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Speaker 2: Very disappointed. But I want to say to them clearly

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Speaker 1: In vain spot on Luke. We will wrap up, mate,

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Speaker 1: But are you Are you stuck in camber at the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Luke, we are anticipating that the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: the Member for Solomon, always appreciate your time. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you Katie, and thanks for all your

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Speaker 2: as well. It's very much appreciated by the veteran and

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Luke. Thank you,