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Speaker 2: But when you're in a rush or just can't be

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Speaker 3: Well so let's talk about it, because that's It's that

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Speaker 3: the chain reaction has begun. Certainly, the measure that a

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Speaker 3: It is it's a it's I mean, it feels like

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Speaker 3: so quickly this topic.

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Speaker 4: Should vaxed people be.

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Speaker 3: Allowed more freedoms than those who aren't. It's totally wild.

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Speaker 2: Because now in New South Wales that's happened, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Gladys has made the announcement and said that if you

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Speaker 3: From September thirteen, only and only if you are fully

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Speaker 3: she's already started this tiered system. It's effectively creating two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so is there no with this announcement?

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Speaker 2: Is there no awareness of because if you are, if

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Speaker 2: if you are willing to regularly get tested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So remember in France when when.

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Speaker 3: That's an old one Macron Macron, when Macron announced the

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Speaker 1: Because that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether that's the same case. I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because the other question is like, do are we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird.

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Speaker 3: There's a line there, the line where you know, don't

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Speaker 3: get me wrong, I think I think it's a great

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Speaker 3: you don't get what everybody else gets unless you get vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: And the argument for that is as well, is like

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Speaker 4: Like why should you you know? Do you know what

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 3: Maybe because maybe the method should be that you get

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Speaker 4: Is that not a waste of money.

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Speaker 2: Because the economy, I mean, let's be honest, the economy

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Speaker 2: out more money to reward people getting backs. I agree

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree that.

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Speaker 1: I've had half the VACX. Yeah, I agree with getting vaxed.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't, I think if you regularly can,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she'll be a halfway house.

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Speaker 1: There s to go.

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Speaker 4: Let's Pauline. Loads of calls coming in, Pauline. What do

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Speaker 3: Should people that are vaccinated have more freedoms?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I don't think there should be any line

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Speaker 5: Exactly, and that causes division amongst the people as well.

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Speaker 3: But how else do you expect people to get How

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Speaker 3: And I think the issue is, though, Pauline, that like,

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Speaker 3: If Pauline is entitled to have her opinion on this

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you can't force someone to get vaccinated then,

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Speaker 1: That'll whack on the way out out next once.

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Speaker 3: We aren't talking about the funnest thing any of us

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Speaker 2: The goal for you, because they're the ones who decide

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Speaker 2: when the restrictions, you make the decisions, and they're saying

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Speaker 3: If you want a chance to vote him out of

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Speaker 4: Your claim then. But for right now, that's the deal.

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Speaker 3: Glad As today however, said, and this is going to

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Speaker 4: I know this is what's happened in Europe. The deal is,

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Speaker 6: Today, I'm pleased to announce that, given we did get

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Speaker 4: And that is key gee whiz.

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Speaker 3: So each huge question, should double vaxby people be allowed

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Speaker 7: Hi? Longtime listener, first time poller.

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Speaker 4: Welcome out.

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Speaker 3: You've called up for a topic which is not representative

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 7: Welcome background. I had COVID last year. I'm a healthcare

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Speaker 8: Oh, sorry to hear that, mate, that's into Yeah, but

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Speaker 7: Work thirty forty hours a week, and now I'm up

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Speaker 7: I just want to encourage everyone to get vaccinated because

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Speaker 2: She is so ali with what gladys po Jiclian's announced today,

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Speaker 2: which is, you know, more freedoms for vaccinated pill fully

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Speaker 7: I believe that we need to get the numbers down.

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Speaker 3: No, I think I think the spiraling case is one

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Speaker 7: I think that's I agree with.

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Speaker 4: That breaks the way forward.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll hope you feel better by the way, like,

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Speaker 3: thank you and amazing that you're a healthcare worker.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like you've had a hell of a time mate.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, he Alie, why don't you We've got one hundred

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Speaker 3: why don't you get around that.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like you've had a stinker recently.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, no worries. I really appreciate it. An amazing

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Speaker 1: Thanks Salie, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I reckon they should have both equal right. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: if you're vaccinated, you're vaccinated.

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Speaker 9: If you're not, you should still be able to do

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Speaker 3: Well, put Jesse. If you're vaccinated, your vaccinated. If you

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Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, I think there's

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Speaker 1: And that's the way the Americans would put it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's this beautiful option that we keep talking

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Speaker 4: Both both give you a vaccine passport.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we're not doing that or why.

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Speaker 4: That's that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: We've got to release here thanks to the call, though,

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Speaker 3: Jesse has a bit of logic in the middle there. Alise,

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Speaker 3: Should you get more rights?

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Speaker 10: How are you going?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 10: No, you shouldn't. Lots of reasons, but the main one

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Speaker 10: is you can still catch, carry and spread COVID if

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Speaker 10: you vaccinated. So true, it's kind of a moot point,

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Speaker 10: but what's the point in the vaccine. I'm just saying

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Speaker 4: Yes, because they're still in does does vaccine?

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Speaker 1: Just don't. Does a double.

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Speaker 3: Vaccine mean that you're less infectious though, like are you

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Speaker 3: less likely to spread it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 10: Not less likely to spread it, less likely to fill

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Speaker 10: a lot less lesson symptoms.

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Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, it's not it's

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Speaker 3: not reducing how infectious the virus is in the community. Again,

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Speaker 3: it's just no exactly just a stick effectively to try

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Speaker 7: But it's not right.

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Speaker 9: Yes, you can't as slope.

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Speaker 3: We have to remember that they did also flip the

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Speaker 4: So I think you know Parisians tend to. You know,

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Speaker 1: A lot of things they do.

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Speaker 4: They've got a shorter fuse.

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Speaker 1: They've got a shorter fuse that we do their emotional beast.

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Speaker 4: But I agree with you. You've raised a great point.

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Speaker 3: You know, should politicians be allowed to flout your freedoms

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Speaker 4: For them, Because at the end of the day, it

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Speaker 4: is a good it's a good look for gladys if

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Speaker 4: you yourself Welshman get vaccinated as well. Is it all

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Speaker 4: just politics?

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Speaker 1: Woods?

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Speaker 3: That's probably the most frustrating thing about all of this

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Speaker 4: Is involved with these guys who are at the top now,

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Speaker 4: oh geez, what a mess him? More of the Bull's

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Speaker 10: You know you want to