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Speaker 1: Yesterday on the show, there was a bit of rji

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Speaker 1: barjie about the federal budget, the Northern Territory Treasurer Bill

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Speaker 1: Yan saying on the show that Labour's federal budget has

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Speaker 1: let territorians down. Luke Gosling got in contact though, and

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Speaker 1: said the comments ignored the real investments being made in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and the Federal Member for Solomon, Luke

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Speaker 1: Gosling joins me on the line. Good morning to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Katie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really good, Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now,

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Speaker 1: Luke bill Yan said on the show yesterday the only

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Speaker 1: new money announced for the Northern Territory is a conditional

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Speaker 1: two hundred million out of a total budget of seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six billion.

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Speaker 2: Luke, is that the case, nah, bill Yan is. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what he's doing. I would have thought that's

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Speaker 2: a good idea to establish good working relations and tell

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Speaker 2: the truth to people about the real body of the

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Speaker 2: NT's financial situation. If you look at over seven billion dollars,

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Speaker 2: eighty eight percent of the budget of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: is provided that revenue is provided by the federal government,

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Speaker 2: so it's substantial funding. We even had the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: trying to say that two hundred million for the Stuart

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Speaker 2: Highways the only roads funding we're doing, when you know

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Speaker 2: I'm doing near to that just in Darwin and Palmerson

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Speaker 2: in terms of road funding, littlee the rest of it

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Speaker 2: where there's like billions of dollars for roads and highways

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Speaker 2: I guess they're trying to help their CLP colleagues by

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Speaker 2: sort of talking down this budget, but when there's more

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Speaker 2: dollars going into territori AND's pockets through greater tax cuts,

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Speaker 2: greater energy bill relief and those.

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Speaker 1: Tax cuts in a minute, but I suppose what I'm

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Speaker 1: keen to get to the bottom alls is is what

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Speaker 1: new you know, like what new money was in the

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Speaker 1: budget for the Northern Territory that was handed down on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night?

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Speaker 3: So can you walk me through the new projects?

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Speaker 1: So not money that to carry over from previous years,

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Speaker 1: but what new projects were announced on Tuesday night? Because

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Speaker 1: you know, usually I get a raft of pressure releases

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Speaker 1: and things come through, but they sort of didn't for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's always what we call decisions taken and

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Speaker 2: not yet announced. I e. There's obviously going to be

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Speaker 2: more announcements in the coming weeks as we move into

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Speaker 2: a federal election. So consider that the what has what

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Speaker 2: lot of money that's been carried over in effect that

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Speaker 2: new money because the NT government hasn't used it. Now

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Speaker 2: I can look, I know.

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Speaker 1: That's what I really want to get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of now, though, Luke, is what new projects were announced

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday night?

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Speaker 3: Because that's you know.

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Speaker 1: Like what the what the Treasurer is saying is that

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Speaker 1: the only new money was that two hundred thousand and

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Speaker 1: four two hundred million. I should say I'm running it

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Speaker 1: Stuart Highway. So that's what I'm really trying to nut out,

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Speaker 1: is what other new projects were announced on Tuesday night?

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Speaker 3: Were there any well.

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Speaker 2: You would have seen in the paper, and in fact

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Speaker 2: I think you talked to someone about it in the

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Speaker 2: lead up because it was in the paper. And then

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Speaker 2: there was that GST funding which allowed the government to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I spoke about that and spoke about the cliniques

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Speaker 1: and spoke about all those things. But again I'm just

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Speaker 1: asking what new projects were there on Tuesday night?

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Speaker 2: Real? Sorry? Yeah, so they are all real things. There

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Speaker 2: are all real things that are going to have cash

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Speaker 1: So there was nothing new on Tuesday night. We've got

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Speaker 2: Well, that's obviously going to be soon, Katie. I think

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Speaker 1: Confirm there wasn't anything else new on Tuesday night. We

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Speaker 1: But there wasn't new projects announced on Tuesday night that

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Speaker 2: We'll just consider o Katie, that we've increased funding for

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Speaker 3: So is that new money on Tuesday night?

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Speaker 2: It's an increase in the roads to recovery.

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Speaker 3: But is that maintenance money, as the.

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Speaker 2: Treasurer had said, maintenance money?

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Speaker 3: What new roads?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the councils are responsible for some of the

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Speaker 2: biggest roadnecks road networks in the country and so that

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Speaker 2: as possible, greater than what have you, and that is important.

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Speaker 2: But don't forget that the funding for infrastructure in Darwin

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Speaker 2: have not been utilized by the anti government. So what

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Speaker 2: my message to the Treasurer Katie simply is do your job,

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Speaker 2: crack on, get these projects happening. Meanwhile, we've got an

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Speaker 2: incredible amount of funding through the defense budget coming in

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Speaker 2: which is really underpinning our economy at the moment, and

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Speaker 2: that will continue. All of that comes obviously from the

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Speaker 2: federal government, as it should, and I'll keep fighting for

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Speaker 2: as much of that as I can. And your listeners

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Speaker 2: will hear more from us in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 1: But so look, it sort of sounds like unless people

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Speaker 1: vote for you, there's not going to be further funding

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Speaker 2: No rubbish, Katie. We're going to announce before people vote.

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Speaker 3: But it's not going to be in the budget yep.

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Speaker 2: So in the budget there's always announce funding for projects

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Speaker 2: that have not yet been announced.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about something that Labor is doing

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Speaker 1: in terms of cost of living measures. There's been some

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Speaker 1: conjecture about how much money we're going to have in

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Speaker 1: tax cuts which they pass through Parliament. As I understand

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Speaker 1: it last night, they're costing a seventeen billion that's is

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Speaker 1: it an additional five five dollars a week on top

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Speaker 2: The easiest way, and I'll put some more explaining information

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Speaker 2: you like, they're part of that mob. They voted against

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Speaker 2: they voted against it. That's their prerogative, but I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, voters might remember that because what we want

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Speaker 2: to do is you guys do it, okay. So the

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Speaker 2: easiest way to appreciate it is when those tax cuts

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Speaker 2: the year, which I think anyone would agree is going

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Speaker 2: when you consider we've increased now energy bill relief to

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Speaker 2: be helpful as well. But we've got downward pressure on inflation,

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Speaker 2: we've had rate cuts, We've worked hard on that. So

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Speaker 2: these last night was a modest increase, but when you

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Speaker 2: when they're implemented, which is nothing to sneeze at. If

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Speaker 2: I mean, they can always donate it to their favorite charity,

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Speaker 2: but most people I talk to think that cost of

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Speaker 2: living relief is important.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, the battle lines have definitely been drawn,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. In terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: do and the coalition we are expecting they're going to

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Speaker 1: hand down their budget reply speech tonight. What do you

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Speaker 1: think of Peter Dutton promising to make some changes to

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Speaker 1: the fuel excise.

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Speaker 2: I don't think much of Peter Dutton. He's not backing

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Speaker 2: tax cuts for territorians.

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Speaker 3: But what do you think of the fuel excise?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm happy to talk about the fuel excise,

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Speaker 2: but I think what just before I do, what your

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Speaker 2: only our investments in medicare, which are new, but all

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Speaker 2: he won't say where he's going to cut the three

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty billion. That's one a lot of public

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Speaker 2: people need to start thinking about what is he going

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Speaker 2: to cut the pay three six hundred billion dollar nuclear

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Speaker 2: made a decision like your listeners would have seen, Caddie

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Speaker 2: that recently fuel was about a dollar seventy nine dollars

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Speaker 2: but the trend has been down in recent times. Fuel

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Speaker 2: is a big expense for families. But that's why through

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Speaker 2: by past performance. I mean, that's a pretty heroic assumption

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Speaker 2: and it's a sugar hit to get him through the

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Speaker 2: election campaign.

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Speaker 1: And that's what they're saying, your tax cuddies. So I

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Speaker 1: suppose either side you know, the point I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: suppose is that people have their own choice right what

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Speaker 1: as well. Look, there's been so much discussion about the port.

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be an election commitment about the port?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks for the question, Katie. I just right at

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Speaker 2: the end, I just wanted to make that distinction. The

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Speaker 2: tax cuts are permanent, so they're not a temporary hit.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to the port, we'll have more

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Speaker 2: to say what i'.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? What more to say? What else

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Speaker 3: is going to be seen?

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Speaker 2: So when I send that message through to you, and

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you're reading it out because you know,

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Speaker 2: not every news agency gives us the opportunity to refute

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Speaker 2: when people are jumping on the radio and talking absolutely rubbish.

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Speaker 2: But bill Yan's job, So.

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Speaker 3: Are you're talking about the treasurer there?

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Speaker 2: Bill Yan? The Treasurer is basically got on and has

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Speaker 2: been having to go at me for being What I'm

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Speaker 2: doing is being constructive in talking to organizations that are

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Speaker 2: interested in having some equity in the port. Obviously there

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Speaker 2: NP so the federal government is doing is assisting Bill

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Speaker 2: Yan to do his job to legally get some clarity

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Speaker 2: they're in breach or not. So we're helping him to

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Speaker 2: do his job there. He's politicizing it by trying to

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Speaker 2: make it all about, you know, whether there's money in

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Speaker 2: the budget for the for the port or not.

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Speaker 1: We'll have more tea do you reckon like I suppose

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Speaker 1: you know from me just stepping aside from everything he's said,

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Speaker 1: and like I understand your frustration, and obviously he's frustrated

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Speaker 1: as well as as like just an everyday territorian is there,

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Speaker 1: Like do you think there needs to be a you know,

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Speaker 1: like does the federal government need to step in here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So when we've got more to say, we'll obviously

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Speaker 2: say it, Katie. But like what we're doing at the

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Speaker 2: moment is the anti government owns the port, right they

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Speaker 2: leased it and there was another CLP government of previous

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Speaker 2: one and they leased it to a Chinese company for

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Speaker 2: ninety nine years that's done. We're ten years into that lease.

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Speaker 2: There may be reasons that the NT government can use

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Speaker 2: to take action, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Breach their contract or something the.

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Speaker 2: Reach their contract, and our people federally are helping the

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Speaker 2: treasure with that. Meanwhile, there's a whole range of discussions

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Speaker 2: about what the future looks like. But we absolutely stand ready,

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Speaker 2: and I think I've been pretty consistent in this point

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Speaker 2: in the ten years since the idiotic decision was made

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Speaker 2: that we stand ready as a federal government to assist

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Speaker 2: the NT government in that endeavor. And there's others other organizations,

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Speaker 2: including Australian companies that are ready to do that as well.

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Speaker 2: But I think we need to work together.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything we can do if they, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: if Lambridge haven't breached their contract and there's you know

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Speaker 1: like and there's no reason to you know, to end

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Speaker 1: that lease from that perspective, Is there anything that can

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Speaker 2: All of these things? Well, that is an obvious hypothetical

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Speaker 2: situation there. The NT government owns support, they're doing the

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Speaker 2: their options are. That's what Bill yand should be saying

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Speaker 2: he can be assured of my support. If he's not

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Speaker 2: assured of my support. Want to do that. I just

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Speaker 2: think both of them, the Chief Minister and the Treasurer,

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Speaker 2: increase our productivity in the Northern territory and that's what

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Speaker 2: big infrastructure commitments like what the Albanezi federal government has done,

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Speaker 2: don't forget critical minerals. We're put in a billion dollars

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Speaker 2: to that. All that stuff has been budgeted. We're trying

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Speaker 2: to help the Anti government to diversify their economy so

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Speaker 2: they're not so dependent on the Commonwealth. That's what they

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Speaker 2: want to do, that's what we're committed to help them do.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, we're giving everyone tax cuts and

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Speaker 2: help with their energy bills because people need it at

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Speaker 2: the moment and that's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Mate. Sorry, we are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: I've got the mayor waiting outside, mate. Wen's this selection

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Speaker 1: going to be called tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Very soon. I reckon Catie, all right, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Let you go. Louke Thusling, thanks so much for your

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Speaker 3: time this morning,