1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: We know that as part of the budget, the governments 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: confirm they are going to be spending a record amount 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: on law and order, or certainly that's what they've said. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: The total budget for policing, Corrections and the Attorney General's 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Department's going to be one point three four billion dollars. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: They're saying it's a one hundred and twelve million dollar 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: more than the last budget. It's going to include six 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: hundred and eight million dollars for police services, including continued 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: support for the Remote Policing Plan, police aircraft as well 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: as CCTV monitoring and school based policing. Sixteen million dollars 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: to upgrade critical infrastructure and technology as well at the 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: Triple zero Call Center, and a further two million dollars 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: allocated to boost emergency communications in Central Australia. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: But there are still. 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Concerns from the Northern Territory Police that an agreement has 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: not yet been reached when it comes to pay negotiations, 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: and the union which represents officers say that they are 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: not will they work not as far as I can understand. 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: Originally invited to a budget briefing, Now joining me in 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: the studio is the President of the Northern Territory Police Association, 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn Morning Finny, Good. 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: Morning Katy, and good morning to your listeners. 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: Finny. 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: First off, what was your reaction to the budget when 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: it comes to what's been allocated for the police? 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: Definitely, Katy, And as you highlighted just then, the frustrations 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: around not being initially invited to that government and the 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: budget briefing we attended yesterday, as we reached out to 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: him and said, hey, what's going on. We usually invited, 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: we haven't been invited. We attended yesterday morning. It was 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: a short briefing and then basically we're locked up for 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: two hours and then they didn't hand out the budget 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: paperwork to us. They initially refused to hand out the 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: budget paperwork to us so we could actually go through 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: a valid questions. And then about fifteen minutes later, after 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: we asked, theyally come back in and then handed out 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: the budget paperwork to us. Why did they not, I'm 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: not quite sure, Katie. And it was quite frustrating because 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: we're sitting in there. The briefing went through with a 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: minor time and we're have to get to sit there 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: for an hour and a half and basically do nothing, 42 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: so we couldn't have our phones, we couldn't have our 43 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: equipment with us. So it was quite frustrating and disappointing 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: that it really come to that, but we got through it. 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: We ask the questions we need to ask. There's still 46 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: a lot of concerns about it that they hadn't announced 47 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: what the police budget had been until late last night. 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: Six hundred and eight million dollars has been allocated as 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: a slight increase from the previous financial year or the 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: revised budget for the twenty four to twenty five being 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: a thirty six million dollar increase. 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah. 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: What we see in that for police is an additional 54 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: twenty million dollars to support the roll out of the 55 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: police allocation that the resource review that was. 56 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: Conducted, Oh yeah by Vince Kelley. 57 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Vince Kelly some time again. Now we see a 58 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: twenty million dollar increase in that. We also see as 59 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: you've highlighted the six point six million dollars for JESK 60 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 3: and new technologies. We're rediating that there's nothing in there 61 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: for the people actually doing the job. What hasn't been 62 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: focused on in this budget for police is an increase 63 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: in the police wages can spend all the money we 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: want on infrastructure. There's a record spend of infrastructure money 65 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: in there. That's been a majority of that's been revoted 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: as well, so that means it's been allocated pre in 67 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: previous budgets over the years, hasn't been spent. 68 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: So it's a bring over sort of thing. 69 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a prime example. So when they say it's 70 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty eight million dollars whatever it is 71 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: for remote area infrastructure, a lot of that money has 72 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: been reallocated from previous budgets that hadn't rolled out. So 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 3: example that has Man and Greater Police station. It was 74 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: identified it was a new station needed in twenty fifteen. 75 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 3: We are now twenty twenty five. We still haven't seen 76 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: that station, and now the cost blowout from that has 77 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: gone from around fifteen million dollars to in excess of 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: thirty seven. 79 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Million, which is incredibly frustrating. I would imagine when it 80 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: blows out to that degree, because you also think to yourself, well, 81 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: hang on, we needed this station several years ago, and 82 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: that money that is now going to be spent on 83 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: the cost blowout or the budget blowout, could have been 84 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: invested in frontline offices. 85 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely that's and that's what we see the 86 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: need of your investment. We needed in the investment of 87 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: the police. Police officers doing the job, performing the job, 88 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: hard job every day and they're overwhelmed at the moment, Caddy. 89 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: And we've said this time and time again on your station. 90 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: But there's some priorities in the budget, especially in around 91 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: remote community police stations and new police stations where we 92 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: don't have a police presence currently or we provide a 93 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: response from other jurisdictions. In respect to that, there's sixty 94 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: million dollars allocated for new police stations ones at el 95 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Perulham and ones at Beswick community. 96 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Is there money allocated go to staff them? 97 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: Definitely not, Caddie, and we were joking. So the problem 98 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: we see and in our remote stations is I believe 99 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: there was about twenty six vacancies in our remote stations. 100 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: We have roughly about fifty two I believe remote stations. 101 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: Don't quote me on that, but around that figure. So 102 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: at least half of them stations aren't at capacity simply 103 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: because we haven't got the housing on the infrastructure in 104 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: these remote communities. We current police and then we're looking 105 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: at building new police stations. I phrase it like the 106 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: Nycliffe Police station. We can build this lovely shiny police 107 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: station and we haven't got any police to operate out 108 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: of it or operate from it to help the community. 109 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: So why are we looking at new police station. 110 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: We can when you can't? 111 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, well and look this would be this is a 112 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: frustration for the community. Like I mean, we get contacted weekly, 113 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: if not, you know, every couple of days about the 114 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Nightcliff Police station for example, not operating at full capacity. 115 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: So then you go out to some of those remote 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: communities and I know I've definitely been contacted by people 117 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: living in remote communities saying to me, we do not 118 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: have you know, police able to come out to different 119 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: incidents that we are experiencing as quickly as what they 120 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: should be able to because they're not based in that 121 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: particular community and there may be traveling from another one nearby. 122 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: It's frustrating, to put it mildly, for the public. But 123 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: how did the police feel about that? 124 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: The Police Australian Caddy that the extra pressure that's being 125 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: placed on the especially in the remote sense of policing, 126 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: is huge. I was on the phone to an ic 127 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: of a push station this morning where he hasn't had 128 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: power to his house since Easter, so he's had a 129 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: temporary generator that has to fill up every day to 130 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: house power for his house. He's been suffering these conditions 131 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: over the last two days. That's failed. The temporary solutions 132 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: have now failed. So he spoke to us and we 133 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: advise them to go into Alice Springs, go into town. 134 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: This is not sustainable and there needs to be priorities 135 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: put in place to make sure that the works around 136 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: in supporting our remote It's tough enough to work remote 137 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: without the further the challenges that they're. 138 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: Facing, yeah, let alone dealing with that. 139 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: So Finny, I mean obviously that remote policing it sounds 140 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: like it is, you know, it is something that there 141 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: needs to be a focus on. We do need to 142 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: make sure that there are a police out there able 143 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: to help the community, but they need to make sure 144 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: that there's housing appropriate, housing, appropriate accommodation as well for 145 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: those officers. 146 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: There needs to be incentives for people to go remote. Yeah, 147 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: it's tough enough to go remote, Katie, but when you're 148 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: on a similar wage than what you are in Darwen 149 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: and with the luxuries that people, our officers have here 150 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: in Darwen. We see that time and time again. There's 151 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: no incentives for them to go Bush and given the 152 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: aging infrastructure, the housing, we had a commitment from the 153 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: previous commissioner to say that we'll increase our members out 154 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: Bush to three member stations. We haven't got the infrastructure 155 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: to do that. 156 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: So what do you think, I mean, what do you 157 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: think needs to happen? 158 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: The priority is remote housing and remote housing for our 159 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: police officer in our current communities, not to build new 160 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: police stations. 161 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: Okay, yep, So actually I. 162 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: Need I need to actually staff the communities we've got. 163 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's have a look at some of the 164 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: funding announcements that they have made. I know that the 165 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: government have said that they're going to be Obviously there's 166 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: funding into CCTV monitoring and also. 167 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: School based policing. 168 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Sixteen million dollars to upgrade critical infrastructure and technology at 169 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the Triple zero Call Center, and a further two million 170 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: allocated to boost emergency communications in Central Australia. Is that 171 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: technology at the Triples Center a Triple zero call center 172 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: quite old? 173 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: Or what's the goal? 174 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: We have an omber A programs that we've had that 175 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: need upgrading. We haven't got the up to date technology there. 176 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: So the commitment's been made and we applaud that commitment. 177 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: But again, if we haven't got the people there to 178 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: answer the phones and to direct those calls, and haven't 179 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: got the police officers to respond to those jobs, it's 180 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: basically putting the horse before the count before the horse. 181 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So it does sound to me as 182 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: though the real critical concern here for the Northern Territory 183 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: Police is having the numbers, the police numbers that we 184 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: need to be able to deal with all these different 185 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: situations that you're experiencing, and that they are paid adequately. 186 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: So by the sounds of it, the budget, yes today 187 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,479 Speaker 1: a bit of a fail from the Police Association's perspective. 188 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: Definitely, we never see it as a fail. An investment 189 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: into police is obviously always needed and make sure that 190 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: we have a safe at Northern Territory, and without police 191 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: we won't have that. So we're saying we need to 192 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 3: investment in our members. This new budget hasn't taken any 193 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: consideration any incentives for retaining our experienced police to make 194 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: sure we're able to recruit new police to the Northern 195 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: Territory Police Force to assist our current members that are 196 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: basically crippling under the pressure that they're being faced and 197 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: put under. We need to make sure that the priority 198 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: is our resources and our human resources that actually do 199 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: the job day in and doubt day out, and that'll 200 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: be reminded as we come up to next week. We've 201 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: got a coronial here for remember that passed away or 202 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 3: took his own life while serving in the Northern Territory 203 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: Police Force. So that's the true and going through that 204 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: documentation over the last couple of weeks and getting prepared 205 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: for that, it's heartreaching. It's a tough gig. Our members 206 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: suffer and they suffer in silence majority of the times, 207 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: and when we can be there to be their voice, 208 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: we will be there to be their voice and make 209 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: sure that they're heard and make sure that they're supported 210 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: the best they possibly can, to make sure that not 211 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: only they can do their job, but also protecting the 212 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: Northern Territory community, because that's what they signed up for, Katie. 213 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: They didn't sign up for themselves. They sign up to 214 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: protect the community and make sure they can make a 215 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: difference in the community. 216 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: So Finny where to from here, you know, in terms 217 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: of those pain negotiations and moving forward with the COLP government, 218 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: because from what I'm hearing from you over the last 219 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, it sounds as though yourself the association 220 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: offices are quite frustrated. In fact, it sort of seems 221 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: like the relationship with the government's broken down quite badly. 222 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: It has, Katie, and we admit that, and we're not 223 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: going to step back from that. We've got a duty 224 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: to do and we've got a job to do. Friendships aside, 225 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: regardless of our relationships personally with the government and ourselves. 226 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 3: I've got a job to do and I won't step 227 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: back from doing that job. And I was taken back 228 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: after we've done an interview last time about I was 229 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: quite emotional. I was quite frustrated and where the government, 230 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: we haven't got any closer to getting into agreement. We're 231 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: working through negotiations, we're still trying to negotiate. Housing still 232 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: on the table there to be removed from Darware members 233 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: in Darwin. We are frustrated and members are frustrated. And 234 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: I've got to act more professionally. And I was quite frustrated, 235 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: angry last time when I was on the radio and 236 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: I'm making sure that, but I need to represent that 237 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: views as well of our members. 238 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing that people are saying to 239 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: you that they're frustrated. It's actually your job to say that. 240 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: It is your job to bring that forward. I guess though, 241 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: like for me from the outside looking in, I suppose 242 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: what I'm wondering is, how do you guys all move 243 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: forward and try to make this work. Because the thing is, 244 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory community is so reliant on Northern Territory 245 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: Police and the great job that our police officers do. 246 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: But even you know, for members of. 247 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: The public at different times they're calling the police, they're 248 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: not able to get somebody out to attend to the 249 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: jobs or to attend to really dangerous situations that they're facing. 250 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: And that's what hurts our members daily, Caddie. The last 251 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: thing they want to do is to let someone in 252 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: the community down. They want to expect that when someone 253 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 3: in the community rings the police, that our police will 254 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: be there. It disheartens them when they can't get to 255 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: help the people they need to help. It's a prime 256 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: example of the trauma they deal with every day, and 257 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: this compounds them. The outcomes from court. They get frustrated 258 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: the outcomes of court because they put so much work 259 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: into putting the alleged defender before the court and when 260 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 3: they're not dealt with properly. That's an added frustration from 261 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: members as well. But also our members just struggle getting 262 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: to those jobs and the increased workload that we've seen 263 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: and over the last few years with the numbers, we 264 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: are getting a few numbers in, but we're still just 265 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 3: above our attrition rate. And to put that into perspective, 266 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 3: we haven't grown that much over the last five years, 267 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: and the demand for crime and the increase in crime 268 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: that we've seen over that time, our members have been 269 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: crippled and they want to help, but they're in a 270 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: position where they can't help Katie, and that's demoralizing to 271 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: them and frustrating them because they didn't here to sit 272 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: behind a computer and do administration duties. They want to 273 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: be on the community, out in the community, talking to people, 274 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: making sure they're safe and making sure that they can 275 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: proactive for the police. We haven't been for a lot. 276 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely well. 277 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, president of the Northern Territory Police Association. Always 278 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: good to catch up with you. Thank you so much 279 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: for your time this morning. 280 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: Always a great pleasure to come in Katie, and lovely 281 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: speaking to you and your listeners. But again, our men 282 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 3: and women out there, they are straggling by all means. 283 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: We've got First Responders Day coming up next month to 284 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: celebrate our first responders. That's not just police, it's the 285 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: first responders right across the Northern Territory government, the look 286 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: after your community. We say thank you, and obviously for 287 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: our men and women in blue. We will fight for 288 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: a deal that's suitable to us and to make sure 289 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: that our experiences retained and make sure we're attracting new 290 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: members of the Northern Territory. 291 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: Please force us, yeah, keep us up to date with 292 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: how those discussions go. Always, kat Jenny, thank you, thanks 293 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: so much.