Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a lawyer and health coach,
Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise
Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,
Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who
Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,
Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put
Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring
Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,
Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.
Speaker 1: Are you with me? Your friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Rise and Conquered Podcasts. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I have a very special guest for you, one who
Speaker 1: you have asked for and I was fangirling the whole
Speaker 1: time I was interviewing her. I have savonn Eila Richards.
Speaker 1: Savann is a Los Angeles native living in the Valley
Speaker 1: with her two dogs, Olive and Layla, her husband Paul,
Speaker 1: and her baby girl, Capri. She began her blog in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven with the objective of sharing realistic approaches to style,
Speaker 1: home decort, beauty, cooking, cocktail creation, crafting, and now mothering.
Speaker 1: With an unfiltered voice, Savann tries to create contact that
Speaker 1: provides value to her community by sharing personal experiences while
Speaker 1: finding luxury in everything along the way. Savan shares everything
Speaker 1: with her audience, which I think is a big reason
Speaker 1: why we love her so much and we are always
Speaker 1: wanting more. Today we chat about how Savan started blocking,
Speaker 1: how it became so successful, how she keeps such an
Speaker 1: engaged audience, and also the download on being a new
Speaker 1: working mum with her baby Capri. I had so much
Speaker 1: fun recording this episode and I know you guys are
Speaker 1: going to love it. Hi, Savan, how are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good? Thank you, Thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I am so excited to have you here.
Speaker 2: My gosh, thanks for having me. This is my first podcast.
Speaker 1: Ever, is it really? Yeah? I've never done this before,
Speaker 1: just took your podcast, Virginity, So I'm excited.
Speaker 2: You did as a first or everything.
Speaker 1: I love that so I cannot wait to get into
Speaker 1: all the exciting and juicy questions I put on my
Speaker 1: Instagram story that I was interviewing you, and I had
Speaker 1: so many excited people with so many good questions. So
Speaker 1: we're going to get into the good stuff. But before that,
Speaker 1: as this is the Rise and Conquer podcast, what is
Speaker 1: one thing big or small that you are rising up
Speaker 1: and conquering this week?
Speaker 2: Well this week if you follow along with my stories,
Speaker 2: you totally get this. But this might sound simple, but
Speaker 2: I've come to learn that the simple things are just
Speaker 2: as challenging sometimes as the hard things. And one of
Speaker 2: the things I'm challenging myself to this week is putting
Speaker 2: the things in my closet away. I feel like every
Speaker 2: single human being on this planet can sympathize with me
Speaker 2: on this when I say that our closets become piles
Speaker 2: of you know, clothes and discards and trash and hangtags.
Speaker 2: And it's gotten to a point where it's become part
Speaker 2: of my weekly challenge to figure out time to put
Speaker 2: my clothes away. So one of the things I'm dealing
Speaker 2: with this week is getting myself organized and putting my
Speaker 2: clothes away.
Speaker 1: That is so great. And I have seen his stories
Speaker 1: about pull lasing his shit over it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not even joking you. He's thrown to divorce me.
Speaker 2: He's like if you and also like threaten to like
Speaker 2: leave me home on vacations. If you don't put the
Speaker 2: clothes away by the end of this day, you're not
Speaker 2: coming to Mexico. I have long threads howpen over the closet.
Speaker 1: See. I kind of get it because my husband, Tim
Speaker 1: is a total like neat freak, and we just moved
Speaker 1: house and we have a walking robe for the first
Speaker 1: time and he's like the exact same. He's like got
Speaker 1: all his things in his little place and then like
Speaker 1: I'll just like chuck close and he will like go
Speaker 1: and pick them up and be like you can't just
Speaker 1: do that. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So yeah, No, it's funny because men are sometimes the
Speaker 2: opposite and I just happened to get a guy who
Speaker 2: is like completely OCD and neurotic about these things. So
Speaker 2: leave it to me and it gets stuck with something
Speaker 2: like that when I have this closet problem.
Speaker 1: Yep, no food, I'm the exact the same. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because I'm like kind of because I know Tim
Speaker 1: is such like a neat freak, I kind of like
Speaker 1: am a bit more chill because I would, like, I
Speaker 1: know he kind of like, does it.
Speaker 2: M exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, So let's get straight into it. So you've
Speaker 1: built this incredible online brand and really like loyal community.
Speaker 1: That's something that I've noticed about your community is they're
Speaker 1: very engaged, they're very invested, which is amazing. So how
Speaker 1: did this whole online blog and brand stop?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically, I started my blog as a creative
Speaker 2: outlet while I was still working a traditional nine to
Speaker 2: five job. I was in the fashion industry, working in wholesale,
Speaker 2: and it was just not enjoyable by any means. And
Speaker 2: I don't like to get into too much detail, obviously,
Speaker 2: but I like to just mention the fact that I
Speaker 2: wasn't working with people that were very nice, and I
Speaker 2: felt like I was creatively very stunted, and I just
Speaker 2: wasn't really feeling fulfilled. So I started my blog as
Speaker 2: a hobby on the side, and I had been following
Speaker 2: a handful of girls that I feel like kind of
Speaker 2: put blogging on the map at the time, and I
Speaker 2: just realized that you could have a career with it.
Speaker 2: That's not why I started it, and I think that's
Speaker 2: a big reason why it is where it is today
Speaker 2: because I didn't go into it for money. I went
Speaker 2: into it for purely passion and for the love of
Speaker 2: being creative and having complete creative freedom to do what
Speaker 2: I wanted. And so I did it kind of for
Speaker 2: my boyfriend who's now my husband at the time, and
Speaker 2: my mom and I had probably two readers, and I
Speaker 2: still was pumping out content almost every single day. And
Speaker 2: I feel like remaining consistent and doing it purely because
Speaker 2: I loved it really helped it reach to where it
Speaker 2: reached where it is today.
Speaker 1: And so what year did you start the bloke?
Speaker 2: I started in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy, so good. Eight years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a very long time. And for the
Speaker 2: first few years, I would say I really had a
Speaker 2: low readership. It wasn't anything to brag about, let's just
Speaker 2: put it that way. But I just felt like I
Speaker 2: was doing it for myself and that's what kept it going.
Speaker 2: And I obviously reached a point where I was putting
Speaker 2: so much time and energy into it that Paul, my husband,
Speaker 2: had to eventually be like, look, do you want to
Speaker 2: pursue this as a career, because if that's the case,
Speaker 2: you need to take it to the next level. And
Speaker 2: do something to kind of elevate things and speed it up.
Speaker 2: So I had to eventually let go of everything I
Speaker 2: was doing and take a giant risk, and it paid off, obviously,
Speaker 2: because now I'm here and I do this full time
Speaker 2: and it's amazing. It's amazing that this is my job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. And so Instagram obviously came after. That's kind
Speaker 1: of noting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it came after, and it really wasn't. It's funny
Speaker 2: you mentioned that because yesterday I was kind of taking
Speaker 2: a walk down memory lane on my Instagram page and
Speaker 2: I scrolled all the way back to my very first post,
Speaker 2: which I didn't realize Instagram was a social platform. I
Speaker 2: thought it was an app to help you edit your
Speaker 2: photos with filters. So like first caption was this app
Speaker 2: is phenomenon. Like I was just talking to myself about
Speaker 2: how great the app was. So yeah, I had no
Speaker 2: idea that people could see my photos or my captions.
Speaker 2: And so it's funny because it took a while before
Speaker 2: that realization happened. And then I kind of put two
Speaker 2: and two together and I started seeing the bloggers that
Speaker 2: I was following on the computer on Instagram, and it
Speaker 2: like dawned on me like, oh, wow, people can see
Speaker 2: what I'm posting, I should probably post something interesting or
Speaker 2: say something interesting at least. And I think I went
Speaker 2: through a long period of time where I was just
Speaker 2: posting whatever whenever. There was really no rhyme or reason
Speaker 2: or strategy behind it. You know, it just wasn't aligned
Speaker 2: with my actual site. And it took a long time
Speaker 2: for me to realize that. So Instagram was a whole
Speaker 2: other beast.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And so you obviously never intended to
Speaker 1: become an influencer. That kind of just happened. And I
Speaker 1: did see on your stories that you said that I
Speaker 1: think it was a trip to Capri or we don't know. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I think this is the holiday that put me on
Speaker 1: the map as like an influencer. And so did you
Speaker 1: kind of see when you changed your content sort of
Speaker 1: you know, in influx of followers and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So the first instance I realized I was gaining momentum
Speaker 2: on Instagram was my wedding in Greece. The second time
Speaker 2: was when I went to Italy the following summer and
Speaker 2: we were celebrating our first wedding anniversary. I was gaining
Speaker 2: a lot of momentum on Instagram, and so I obviously
Speaker 2: the two things in common there are travel and it
Speaker 2: was you know, destinations that are naturally so beautiful, and
Speaker 2: content is flowing freely everywhere you go. You just find
Speaker 2: something photogenic to take a photo of, and your living
Speaker 2: your best life. Obviously, so things are interesting. But my
Speaker 2: Italy trip specifically, I think there was something about the
Speaker 2: content there that people love on Instagram. I think Italy
Speaker 2: in general is one of those places where if you're
Speaker 2: in Italy and you're either using the flag emoji or
Speaker 2: you're hashtagging Italy or geotagging Italy, I think that there's
Speaker 2: something that registers and in Instagram that you're either thrown
Speaker 2: on the explore page or people are searching for, because
Speaker 2: engagement was at an all time high for me there
Speaker 2: at the time, at least.
Speaker 1: Because it's like, I guess, you know, a dream sort
Speaker 1: of destination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a dreamy place to be, and it
Speaker 2: kind of makes it really easy for your content to
Speaker 2: look cohesive and flow. Unintentionally because back then I didn't
Speaker 2: really know the whole beauty behind a cohesive feed or
Speaker 2: an aesthetic. I really would just put up whatever I
Speaker 2: felt like at the time, and it could be like
Speaker 2: varying styles basically, but when you're in Italy, somehow, some way,
Speaker 2: all your content is just cohesive. It flows, It's just
Speaker 2: naturally mapped out and perfect without even trying.
Speaker 1: And it probably helps that you're having an amazing time.
Speaker 2: Too, exactly so, and let's sprits is the umbrellas that
Speaker 2: you know, everything in Italy is just so gorgeous, but
Speaker 2: it's just cohesive too.
Speaker 1: What do you think you were previously just talking about
Speaker 1: You said you had no strategy and what is your
Speaker 1: strategy now with your blog and Instagram? Do you kind
Speaker 1: of have one or do you kind of just go
Speaker 1: off feelings and what your audience wants? Like, what do
Speaker 1: you think makes it successful? Now?
Speaker 2: Well, after so much trial and error, I feel like
Speaker 2: I now know what my audience is the most receptive to.
Speaker 2: So while I try to keep things very like in
Speaker 2: the moment and unfiltered and raw, I also know that
Speaker 2: there's certain things that people are interested in, so for instance,
Speaker 2: my home, my baby recipes. There's certain things that I
Speaker 2: just know that I emphasize in my life. So obviously
Speaker 2: I've got a lot more going on than what you
Speaker 2: see on the camera. But I know that when people
Speaker 2: want to see specific topics, I make a point of
Speaker 2: showing more of that. People love my husband. They think
Speaker 2: he's funny, and you know, we're always poking fun at
Speaker 2: each other, and he really plays a huge part in
Speaker 2: everything that I showcase on my social media. So you know,
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of strategy behind what I post.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I think that we just
Speaker 2: kind of know we focus in on the categories that
Speaker 2: people are most interested in to keep them engaged. Yep.
Speaker 1: So you're just going off your audience and what sort
Speaker 1: of works best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like, you know, I want I
Speaker 2: want to give people what they want, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to have to force it. So for me, I
Speaker 2: think the reason it works is because it's organically happening.
Speaker 2: We're not setting up these situations or you know, going
Speaker 2: out and creating a setting like we're actually living in
Speaker 2: these settings. We're having these actual conversations, and that's what
Speaker 2: makes the content appealing to people. I think, because it
Speaker 2: ends up coming across very relatable because it's everyday situations
Speaker 2: that happen to everyday people. I'm not living a super
Speaker 2: lavish life or wearing only designer. And I think that
Speaker 2: my life is just very relatable to people, which is
Speaker 2: ultimately why I think people want to come back for more.
Speaker 2: They want to see today what's going on in my
Speaker 2: life that they can relate to.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, I couldn't agree more. That's something I personally,
Speaker 1: I you know, I have this podcast on YouTube, but
Speaker 1: I'm bigger on Instagram and it's definitely more the fitness
Speaker 1: and health angle. But I got to ask the exact
Speaker 1: same question, and for me, I'm very much an everyday
Speaker 1: girl where you know, I'm into fitness and health, but
Speaker 1: it's not like my main priority. And I still have
Speaker 1: a husband and I've got dogs, and it's all very
Speaker 1: like relatable and real, which obviously like like it just
Speaker 1: people can relate to it, so it makes it easy
Speaker 1: content to consume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So what like three.
Speaker 1: Tips that you could give someone if they wanted to
Speaker 1: start an online brand and community.
Speaker 2: I'd say three things to start your online brand and
Speaker 2: community would be one, have a voice. I think that
Speaker 2: a lot of people associate bloggers with beautiful pictures and
Speaker 2: that's it. And I think that if you really want
Speaker 2: to make a difference, grow an audience, stand for something,
Speaker 2: represent something you know, just be different than everyone else.
Speaker 2: I think you have to have a voice that just
Speaker 2: this differentiates you from everyone else. I just personally don't
Speaker 2: have any interest in following someone who's purely pretty pictures.
Speaker 2: I want to see personality. I want to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: I want to hear if you have a sense of
Speaker 2: humor that I relate to. You, know, like, I want
Speaker 2: to know more about the person. I don't want to
Speaker 2: just see a curated image. The second thing i'd say
Speaker 2: is be authentic and original. I know that's probably super
Speaker 2: cliche to say, but I do feel like it's a
Speaker 2: very saturated industry, and I do still think there's room
Speaker 2: for everyone to do what they want to do. But
Speaker 2: if you're trying to replicate someone or steal someone's formula
Speaker 2: that works for them, thinking it's going to work for you,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's going to be a seiling for
Speaker 2: you and people will see right through that. And I
Speaker 2: personally think that remaining authentic and true to yourself is
Speaker 2: obviously the only thing you could do at this point
Speaker 2: that's different than someone else. Because almost everything in this
Speaker 2: universe has been done or designed, or created or invented,
Speaker 2: and so in this space specifically, it's like your personality
Speaker 2: and your voice is really all you have. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that to me is super important. And then three, I
Speaker 2: think having value, adding value to someone's life is also
Speaker 2: really important. So as a blogger, I you know, I
Speaker 2: follow a bunch of bloggers and I've read a bunch
Speaker 2: of blogs over the years, and I feel like I
Speaker 2: always drew inspiration from these girls. And I looked at
Speaker 2: the topics they were talking about and was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: that's really interesting. But I have a different take on it,
Speaker 2: So let me make a similar blog post. But you know,
Speaker 2: give my opinions or my views, and adding value to
Speaker 2: people is really the key if you're going to have
Speaker 2: a blog specifically, because like I just said, everyone kind
Speaker 2: of talks about those blogger topics so to say, so
Speaker 2: you know, like we all say, here's your Italy travel guide,
Speaker 2: or you know, ten jackets to where this winter, or
Speaker 2: what I'm packing to Coachella. We're all kind of talking
Speaker 2: about the same topics. But if you can take that
Speaker 2: and add value to someone somewhere, I feel like that's
Speaker 2: what's going to make you successful as a blogger. You
Speaker 2: can't just give people like surface level information.
Speaker 1: I love that those three tips were amazing, and so
Speaker 1: just touching more on being authentic. So what if someone
Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know, they don't know their style yet
Speaker 1: they don't know what they like. Would you recommend just
Speaker 1: sort of trialing things out and seeing how they go,
Speaker 1: or how would someone go about that?
Speaker 2: I have two thoughts on that. My first one is
Speaker 2: I don't feel like anyone should really have to figure
Speaker 2: out what they like. You either know you like it
Speaker 2: or you don't like it. And that could just be
Speaker 2: me because I'm very decisive. I know right away when
Speaker 2: I like something and when I don't like something, so
Speaker 2: it's not like I have to go out looking for it.
Speaker 2: But as far as like your style goes, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like what feels natural to you. There's like trends,
Speaker 2: for instance, like dad sneakers. I despise them at the
Speaker 2: minute I saw them. I don't care who's wearing them.
Speaker 2: I don't care which designer made them, I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck. Like those are ugly to me and you
Speaker 2: will not see me rocking them, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm literal sorry.
Speaker 1: Money and tim, which this exact same topic, like free
Speaker 1: days great, and he's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, like it's just it's like one of
Speaker 2: those things like I just knew right away that wasn't
Speaker 2: for me. And even though it's popular and maybe if
Speaker 2: I hashtag the right thing, I would get more likes
Speaker 2: my photos or maybe you would get a different audience,
Speaker 2: it's not me. It's not who I am, and so
Speaker 2: there's no way I can do that to myself. So
Speaker 2: that's just like one very simple example of you know,
Speaker 2: I don't conform to things because they're in or trendy
Speaker 2: or cool or whatever. I personally just stick to what
Speaker 2: I know what I like, and I think that that
Speaker 2: register is true and authentic to my audience.
Speaker 1: I love that. No, you explain that, so love And
Speaker 1: so one last question just about the blog. I personally
Speaker 1: love blogs. I follow blogers. I'm a big fan. I
Speaker 1: definitely look at your blog for food and fashion and
Speaker 1: skincare and just like Daily Life inspurs all about that book.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yet I know that lots of people are saying the
Speaker 1: traditional blogs are dead. What is your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I definitely have heard that, and when I first heard it,
Speaker 2: I was kind of sad because I'm like, wait, but honestly,
Speaker 2: writing my blog is one of my favorite parts of
Speaker 2: being a blogger, and I do still call myself a blogger,
Speaker 2: even though we've got this new term influencer, which I
Speaker 2: feel like embodies are pretty good. It's just a good
Speaker 2: description for what people are doing on social media these days.
Speaker 2: I feel like I personally like to identify with the
Speaker 2: term blogger better because I do put so much time
Speaker 2: and effort and energy into my blog, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I always want to provide value to my readers,
Speaker 2: so I spend a lot of time coming up with
Speaker 2: topics that either are not discussed or if I think
Speaker 2: I have an interesting take on something. So I think
Speaker 2: that traditional blogging in the sense that you're just putting
Speaker 2: out like that surface level content we talked about, I
Speaker 2: think that's dead. I think that that's, you know, a
Speaker 2: diamond dozen. We don't really need that anymore, especially with Instagram.
Speaker 2: But I think that if you're a blogger that's pumping
Speaker 2: out like valuable content that people want to read, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's dead. I think that, you know, brands
Speaker 2: also are still really interested in reading blog posts about
Speaker 2: reviews and their products and their services, So I think
Speaker 2: there's still a lot to be done on blogs, but
Speaker 2: I feel like it just depends on the blogger and
Speaker 2: the kind of content you're writing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I couldn't agree more. And something I've even noticed
Speaker 1: with just me and my taste and blogs is I'm
Speaker 1: very used to look at and read a lot of
Speaker 1: blogs where you kind of didn't even know the face
Speaker 1: behind the blog. It was more like this like concept,
Speaker 1: I guess, Whereas now I follow and read a lot
Speaker 1: of blogs because I know the person and even though
Speaker 1: I don't know the person, but I feel like I
Speaker 1: have this you know, connection with this person and it's
Speaker 1: very personal and you're trusting you know their taste and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So I couldn't agree more. Right,
Speaker 1: So I want to move on, and I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your beautiful little girl Capri personally
Speaker 1: like not maternal at all. I'm like that odd person
Speaker 1: who I'm only twenty four, but I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: all my friends are like, oh my god, babies, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just not a fan. I didn't think that.
Speaker 1: I think great and I'm like, hmm, maybe I could
Speaker 1: have children so gorgeous. And I loved watching your whole
Speaker 1: pacy and just kind of going through the journey with you.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you, so, what's life like
Speaker 1: after your first baby?
Speaker 2: Well, first off, thank you so much obviously as a mother.
Speaker 2: Now there's that thing I love hearing more than someone
Speaker 2: telling me that they think my baby's cute.
Speaker 1: I could imagine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's like my greatest compliment these days. But
Speaker 2: life after baby is it's definitely challenging, it's amazing, and
Speaker 2: it's very rewarding. One thing I didn't really think that
Speaker 2: I would recognize in being a mother is how fulfilling
Speaker 2: it feels to take care of somebody, because, like you
Speaker 2: just said, you're not maternal. I'm not maternal at all.
Speaker 2: There's not one maternal bone in my body. This when
Speaker 2: Paul when he's sick, I'm like, no, no, no, you
Speaker 2: can You'll be fine, you'll live.
Speaker 1: It's literally Whenning was like wake me up, it was
Speaker 1: like four of the morning because he walked Ellie and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'm feeling a bit sick, and I
Speaker 1: was like, why did you wake me? Yeah? A person,
Speaker 1: So I resonate with Yes.
Speaker 2: I can relate. I mean, I just I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I've never been that kind of person that's a caretaker,
Speaker 2: and so I was very concerned about that. To be honest,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what would happen when I had her.
Speaker 2: And it's been amazing to kind of see how my
Speaker 2: body just clicks into the role of being a mother
Speaker 2: and taking care of her and it's my priority. And
Speaker 2: so it's definitely I think it just clicks. I think
Speaker 2: people say that all the time. You don't know what
Speaker 2: that means, but when it happens to you, you just
Speaker 2: you get it and you know it. But you know,
Speaker 2: as far as everything goes in life, I feel like
Speaker 2: having her has just been the best thing that's ever
Speaker 2: happened to me.
Speaker 1: And oh g commertional, I'm like crazy at all. I'm like,
Speaker 1: really about this.
Speaker 2: Well, your hormones get all fucked up, so you become
Speaker 2: this like emotional, like mushy person. All my girlfriends are like,
Speaker 2: who are you.
Speaker 1: Honey?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So but it's amazing. But were you asking
Speaker 2: me about career stuff or just like in life.
Speaker 1: Well we'll get into that, but I also I also
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, say, like, how did you know
Speaker 1: that you wanted to start having children? Like how did
Speaker 1: that sort of come back, because how old are you?
Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty one. I think I'm twenty five, but thirty one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this question has been asked multiple times, and
Speaker 2: really the answer is I didn't know that I was ready.
Speaker 2: It was more something that just happened. And yes, I'm
Speaker 2: fully admitting it was an accident, but I have no shame.
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's, you know, obviously the best thing
Speaker 2: that's ever happened, so I will own that. But it
Speaker 2: was one of those things where Paul and I just
Speaker 2: kind of like looked at our lives and realized that
Speaker 2: we've traveled a bunch. We were secure in the sense
Speaker 2: or we owned a home, and we felt very comfortable
Speaker 2: in our careers, and we both felt like we've achieved
Speaker 2: a lot of personal goals that we didn't feel like
Speaker 2: having a child would ever hold us back or you know,
Speaker 2: make us feel like we're missing out on something, or
Speaker 2: we didn't fully like give it our all before settling
Speaker 2: down like that, because obviously a child is a huge
Speaker 2: commitment and responsibility and it's going to change your life
Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. So we personally felt
Speaker 2: like we were in a good place if we were
Speaker 2: to have a child, it was going to be fine.
Speaker 2: And we had not that we've been trying, but it
Speaker 2: had been a few years since we got married. I
Speaker 2: want to say it was three years, and we kind
Speaker 2: of looked at each other and we're like, well, like,
Speaker 2: do we want to have a child? And we said, okay,
Speaker 2: next year if like it doesn't happen naturally, like let's
Speaker 2: sit down and actually talk about it with like a
Speaker 2: doctor or whatever. Next year. And then literally like that
Speaker 2: week if yeah, like that same week that we had
Speaker 2: made this decision, Yeah, I got pregnant. I didn't know
Speaker 2: for the next six weeks. But it's just crazy how
Speaker 2: that happens. It's just like you put things out into
Speaker 2: the universe, and I feel like when you don't stress
Speaker 2: about them and you don't fixate on them and obsess
Speaker 2: over them, I feel like things just kind of fall
Speaker 2: into place. So that's how that happened. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What are some things that have been big adjustments that
Speaker 1: you kind of weren't prepared to after having Capri.
Speaker 2: One of the adjustments I had to make was really
Speaker 2: disciplining myself when I came to work, because I have
Speaker 2: always been a very disciplined person, and I've always been
Speaker 2: self employed, so I kind of always knew what it
Speaker 2: took to be structured and work from home. But today
Speaker 2: it's like one of the biggest challenges is because she's
Speaker 2: home and I'm home and I have help, and all
Speaker 2: I want to do is spend time with her when
Speaker 2: she's awake, and it's just very, very challenging, and I
Speaker 2: never expected this to be the case for me, Like
Speaker 2: I have to like be really really selective about how
Speaker 2: I spend my time these days. So if it means
Speaker 2: skilled events because I need to be home for her bedtime,
Speaker 2: or canceling a shoot because she's just not feeling well,
Speaker 2: there's just, you know, sacrifices you make, and you can't
Speaker 2: ever foresee those things happening. You don't know when they're
Speaker 2: going to pop up. And that's been a challenge in
Speaker 2: something that I just didn't really expect. I didn't expect
Speaker 2: to really ever feel like I'm putting work on the
Speaker 2: back burner for anything. But you know, you do what
Speaker 2: you have to do. She's my priority.
Speaker 1: And so do you have any advice for soon to
Speaker 1: be moms out there who are in their own business
Speaker 1: who was self employed?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to sound like such a ugy bitch
Speaker 2: right now, but I just have to say it, like
Speaker 2: I got a night nurse, and it was something that's
Speaker 2: super foreign to my to me because my husband and
Speaker 2: I did not grow up with nanny or a night
Speaker 2: nurse or any of those things. Like we were just
Speaker 2: you know, we had our parents.
Speaker 1: Can I quickly ask, what is a night mess?
Speaker 2: Yes, so a night nurse is a basically, it's a
Speaker 2: night nanny. It's someone who specializes in like infants, and
Speaker 2: they come to your house as soon as you want
Speaker 2: them to, like we had ours come basically right when
Speaker 2: we came home from the hospital. We didn't know what
Speaker 2: we'd want at first, because we're like, oh, we should
Speaker 2: try to do it ourselves, you know, like come home.
Speaker 2: But after you're in the hospital for three days and
Speaker 2: you're sleep deprived, you obviously like the shock of your
Speaker 2: life just happened. You need sleep more than anything in
Speaker 2: the world when you get home. And I personally called
Speaker 2: our night nurse was like, never mind, you're coming the
Speaker 2: day we come home from the hospital. We were being
Speaker 2: way too ambitious here, and so a night nurs comes
Speaker 2: at night, and basically they're all different, obviously, but ours
Speaker 2: came from nine pm and she stayed until seven am.
Speaker 2: And basically what it did was give us the peace
Speaker 2: of mind to go to sleep, sleep soundly, and know
Speaker 2: that our baby's taken care of. Her feedings were going
Speaker 2: to happen, she was going to get changed, and if
Speaker 2: she woke up, then there's going to be someone to
Speaker 2: soothe her back to bed. And obviously, this is my
Speaker 2: first baby, so I didn't really know what to expect,
Speaker 2: but we happened to get super, super lucky and get
Speaker 2: a child that loves to sleep. So she was a
Speaker 2: very easy baby, and even our night nurse was like, wow,
Speaker 2: your baby is insanely easy. And there was times where
Speaker 2: we were just like, we know, we're just wasting the money,
Speaker 2: throwing it in the garbage, basically because she's such an
Speaker 2: easy baby. But it's also the peace of mind, like Yeah,
Speaker 2: we knew when we had her we could sleep well,
Speaker 2: which meant in the moarning, you're happier, you're more energized,
Speaker 2: you're enjoying your time with your baby, you're not frustrated,
Speaker 2: you have a clear mind, you can work. So it
Speaker 2: was very, very, very crucial for us to be well rested,
Speaker 2: especially in the beginning when she's such a new baby.
Speaker 2: It's such a new concept to us that we felt
Speaker 2: like we truly enjoyed like every moment of her coming
Speaker 2: home and being a baby, and we were just so happy.
Speaker 2: And I feel like without sleep, that would have been
Speaker 2: a very different extpt experience for me. So being self employed,
Speaker 2: I depend on sleep. I need to work from home.
Speaker 2: I need to be awake and sharp. And that was
Speaker 2: what really did it for me, is having a night nurse.
Speaker 1: I love that. So you're kind of giving the advice
Speaker 1: of when you need help, get help.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. I think that so many moms they feel
Speaker 2: so guilty all that mom shame stuff, and it's like
Speaker 2: in the mom guilt and I feel like that's just
Speaker 2: such bullshit. Like it's twenty nineteen and we women work
Speaker 2: and men work, and it's just one of those things
Speaker 2: like it's the human body. We need rest, we need sleep,
Speaker 2: and I don't think anyone is designed to operate properly
Speaker 2: on you know, no sleep.
Speaker 1: I love that you're breaking that stereotype. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like you said, like we live in this world and
Speaker 1: it's not just the women stay at home and look
Speaker 1: after baby, like we work as well, and so I
Speaker 1: feel like you would have known that you might have
Speaker 1: got a bit of judgment from that. I love that
Speaker 1: you're just like, fuck it, I need this my business.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. Like I kind of even experienced
Speaker 1: a little bit of the same. I have like a cleaner,
Speaker 1: and so I grew up like my mom was a
Speaker 1: stay at home mum, and so like when I told
Speaker 1: her I have a cleaner, she was like shocked to
Speaker 1: the core, not shocked. I work from home, and so
Speaker 1: so many people like didn't understand it. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I work, like I don't have time, you know,
Speaker 1: and T only comes once every fortnight. But I even
Speaker 1: felt because I had a cleaner, but I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I need this, like I work full time, Tim works
Speaker 1: full time, Like it's not easy to just do it all.
Speaker 1: And so I love that you're breaking that stereotype, and
Speaker 1: it's being transparent about it.
Speaker 2: There's people that do all these things behind the scenes
Speaker 2: and pretend like they don't have the help, and you know,
Speaker 2: because that's like what you quote unquote should do and
Speaker 2: you know what's expected of you, and you know, social
Speaker 2: media is, in my opinion, a great place to really
Speaker 2: like shed light on what's actually happening, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people want to hide the reality of what's happening
Speaker 2: and make things look so prim and proper and perfect,
Speaker 2: and we all know like having babies, it's messy, it's dirty,
Speaker 2: it's not always pretty, and you know the reality of
Speaker 2: raising a baby it's difficult, it's challenging, you cry, you
Speaker 2: are dirty, you have spit up on you. You know, Like,
Speaker 2: I just don't see the reason to hide all that.
Speaker 2: I think it's so much more comforting when you're honest
Speaker 2: about things and then people can like know that there's
Speaker 2: other people out there experiencing the same things and you
Speaker 2: can talk about it, and then just having that comfort
Speaker 2: to me, it just makes me feel a lot better.
Speaker 2: I love when I can kind of share a challenging
Speaker 2: situation and my audience responds like, oh my gosh, Thank
Speaker 2: god you said that, because I thought I was the
Speaker 2: only one going through this, and it's so nice to
Speaker 2: know that someone else is dealing with the same things.
Speaker 2: So exact, I have no Yeah, I have no problem
Speaker 2: sharing that I ask for help when I need it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love that amazing. Okay, And so I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, and this is might be a
Speaker 1: bit of a selfish question, just because I'm obviously married
Speaker 1: to Tim, and it is sometimes hard juggling a career,
Speaker 1: especially intertwined with social media, because you can make the
Speaker 1: excuse of when you're on your phone, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is work, I need to be doing this, but
Speaker 1: it can sometimes you know, af fetch your relationships and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So I just wanted you
Speaker 1: to go in, what is life like, you know with
Speaker 1: I want to call him Richard, but yeah, and so
Speaker 1: what's life like with Paul? Do you guys have any
Speaker 1: like sort of boundaries with your phones or anything like
Speaker 1: that with social media?
Speaker 2: Well, he's a stage mom, so for him, like the
Speaker 2: more or I share, the better he loves it. I
Speaker 2: think it's funny because people would expect it to be
Speaker 2: the other way around. People think, oh, se Vaughan's the
Speaker 2: actual influencer, so she's probably on her phone all day
Speaker 2: and that's like a very common question. We have a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, don't you get so frustrated with her on
Speaker 2: her phone all the time. And it's actually funny because
Speaker 2: it's almost like he's the one being more pushy about
Speaker 2: me being on the phone more. That's good because you know,
Speaker 2: he's super supportive and he feels like he thinks I'm hilarious,
Speaker 2: so he always wants to document all the like the
Speaker 2: ridiculous things that I say and do, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't always think to grab my phone in those moments,
Speaker 2: but he does. And so I think that it's an
Speaker 2: unspoken role in our house where it's just kind of
Speaker 2: like we know when it's time to put the phones
Speaker 2: away and when it's fine to have them out. Basically,
Speaker 2: at night, we like to have dinner together and catch
Speaker 2: up about our day because Paul works a traditional job.
Speaker 2: He's an entertainment attorney, so he's, you know, at work
Speaker 2: all day. I'm here all day doing my thing, and
Speaker 2: then at the end of the day we come together,
Speaker 2: we have dinner, we'll eat and then sometimes at the
Speaker 2: end of dinner, it's like we'll have a funny conversation
Speaker 2: and I'll almost recap it for my stories. So sometimes
Speaker 2: you'll see me at the dinner table snapping. But for
Speaker 2: the most part, it's like we know that that's like
Speaker 2: our alone time. It's how we spend quality time together
Speaker 2: catching up and we always have things to talk about,
Speaker 2: which I think is it's a whole different topic, actually,
Speaker 2: but it's just nice that we can always have that
Speaker 2: time to ourselves and we carve out time for each
Speaker 2: other and it's like the cameras are not on and
Speaker 2: that's our alone time. But I feel like for the
Speaker 2: most part, we just kind of know what each other's
Speaker 2: boundaries are and when it's like okay to have the
Speaker 2: phone on, and when it's like okay, it's too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that, And I love how supportive
Speaker 1: he is of you and your business and your career.
Speaker 1: It's really lovely.
Speaker 2: It really is a nice feeling. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of girls that they tell me that their white friends
Speaker 2: or husbands get really irritated by it, and I just
Speaker 2: can't imagine. I feel like I would be so discouraged
Speaker 2: if that's how my significant other was, just because it's like,
Speaker 2: you spend so much time with them that you want
Speaker 2: to feel like they're okay with it and that they're
Speaker 2: comfortable with it and they're supporting it. I would I
Speaker 2: just I honestly don't think I could do it without
Speaker 2: his support.
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent amazing. Okay, So I want to
Speaker 1: ask one last question, and this is because I feel
Speaker 1: like Instagram has really or even just social media in general,
Speaker 1: even blogs like at the moment or recently, have really
Speaker 1: gone in the way of, you know, everyone's wearing designer stuff,
Speaker 1: and it kind of puts an image, especially for like
Speaker 1: younger girls who don't necessarily have this sort of money,
Speaker 1: and they'll go out and blow the whole entire pay
Speaker 1: on your Knowscucci back, yeah, and stuff like that instead
Speaker 1: of saving. Like, I feel like social media has really
Speaker 1: taken this turn where it's very much about branded things
Speaker 1: and looking a certain way and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And I know you do love like design of things,
Speaker 1: but then you also love a good bargain. I'm much
Speaker 1: like you in that way, and so you kind of
Speaker 1: in between that sort of look, and so I just
Speaker 1: wanted to get your advice on for others, like, what
Speaker 1: is your take on the whole getting caught up in
Speaker 1: the you know, design a thing on social media and
Speaker 1: what are your rules on spending?
Speaker 2: Okay, so for me, designer has always been something I love.
Speaker 2: I've always loved fashion, even as a young girl, and
Speaker 2: I always knew that if I wanted something really frivolous
Speaker 2: or extravagant or beyond my means, that I was going
Speaker 2: to have to save for it. So I got a
Speaker 2: job as early as I possibly could. My best friend
Speaker 2: and I who's still my best friend today, at fifteen
Speaker 2: years old, we went and got boutique jobs just so
Speaker 2: we could support our shopping addiction because our parents were
Speaker 2: obviously like, you girls are fifteen, why do you need
Speaker 2: to have anything the time is juicy gutur? You know,
Speaker 2: we died for juicy coutur. And our parents were not
Speaker 2: down to bias like two hundred dollars like sweatpants. So,
Speaker 2: you know, like that was instilled in me from the beginning,
Speaker 2: like if I wanted something that was expensive or just designer,
Speaker 2: it was going to have to be on my heart
Speaker 2: earned dollar. And at the end of the day, if
Speaker 2: I was okay blowing my money like that, then that
Speaker 2: was on me. But obviously now as a grown up
Speaker 2: and I have responsibilities, and I have bills, and I
Speaker 2: have to budget. I kind of have to make sure
Speaker 2: that I'm living within my means. And thankfully Paul is
Speaker 2: a finance major, so he's always been really on me about,
Speaker 2: you know, making sure that at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: all my bills must be paid. I have to put
Speaker 2: some money away in the savings, and then what's left
Speaker 2: over for my like fun money or my play money
Speaker 2: is what I'm allowed to spend, and that to me
Speaker 2: is super important. So I even to this day, if
Speaker 2: I want something that's super expensive, even if I can
Speaker 2: afford it without having to go through the whole motion
Speaker 2: of like mapping out my money to the dollar, I
Speaker 2: still have to like go home and think about it
Speaker 2: and make sure that it's worth it and it's something
Speaker 2: that I'm going to use long term and it's not
Speaker 2: just a trendy like in the moment purchase. I think
Speaker 2: that today there's so many cute things Gucci, for example,
Speaker 2: like they just pump out shit left and right that
Speaker 2: is so cute. Every time I walk by, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so many cute things. But I am not afraid to
Speaker 2: say that I have purchased one or two things from
Speaker 2: there that I feel like like I just jumped the gun.
Speaker 2: I went too fast and I was like, fuck, now
Speaker 2: that's trendy and I'm not even like that into it anymore,
Speaker 2: and I feel guilty about it. And now I have
Speaker 2: to look at that bag sitting there being like shit,
Speaker 2: I should have bought something else because that was like
Speaker 2: an impulse buy. So when you're gonna buy designer, I
Speaker 2: feel like you need to really make sure it's something
Speaker 2: that is a classic piece. You're gonna love it for
Speaker 2: a long time. It's obviously within your means. Don't like
Speaker 2: blow your whole rent money on a bag. I think
Speaker 2: that's really silly. Just be why about those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely about treating yourself, but I think you have
Speaker 2: to do it in a reasonable way if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. And I love what you said
Speaker 1: about getting clear, so you know, paying your bills, putting
Speaker 1: some money away from tax or rent or all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and then being clear about what you
Speaker 1: can spend. And then when you do go and spend
Speaker 1: that money, it feels like really good because you're like,
Speaker 1: you know you can.
Speaker 2: Of course I think that, like I've made purchases in
Speaker 2: the past, like don't like, don't be confused, Like I
Speaker 2: wasn't always responsible with my money. I was one of
Speaker 2: those people. This was like in my early twenties, I
Speaker 2: was living paycheck to paycheck. I would buy things well
Speaker 2: beyond my means and I would be racking up credit
Speaker 2: card debt just so I could buy like nice things.
Speaker 2: And it was almost like it took Paul to realize
Speaker 2: what I was doing. And he was like, what's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? You have no savings, You're buying all these
Speaker 2: designer things. You're blowing your money on designer things, and
Speaker 2: you can't afford your bills, Like what is problem? Like
Speaker 2: how are you not seeing what you're doing wrong here?
Speaker 2: And I was like wait what? And I was so
Speaker 2: shocked by the whole thing you like, and then we
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, it was like I needed like a
Speaker 2: reality check really And now, I mean, the way I
Speaker 2: view money is so different than when I was younger,
Speaker 2: And I think as you get older, you start to
Speaker 2: like understand the value of money more. And even though
Speaker 2: I had to work for it, I was blowing it.
Speaker 2: I was like, what am I doing here? So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's all about just being smart about it,
Speaker 2: make good choices, live within your means. If you can't
Speaker 2: afford it, don't buy it. You know, that's just plain
Speaker 2: and simple how it should go. But I know how
Speaker 2: girls are, and like you said, social media makes everything
Speaker 2: look so appealing and everyone left and right is carrying
Speaker 2: like a Chanel. I just bought my first Chanel last week,
Speaker 2: and I was really really like holding out on that
Speaker 2: one because it's so expensive.
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred per said, I think that's such a
Speaker 1: good idea. I definitely like before any designer purchases. Not
Speaker 1: that I buy it that like much, but I definitely
Speaker 1: like had to give myself time and be like really
Speaker 1: think about it, and because I'm like that where I
Speaker 1: want things like in the moment and I want it now,
Speaker 1: but then if like I wait a week or two,
Speaker 1: and then it kind of cools off and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't really actually want that, or like I really
Speaker 1: stalled that, you know that well, or.
Speaker 2: No, that's true. My girlfriend, my best friend, she actually
Speaker 2: taught me this rule that I can't take credit for.
Speaker 2: She basically said, you have to picture yourself using this
Speaker 2: with three different outfits. So this is like specifically in
Speaker 2: regards to shoes. So for her, she's like a shoe attict,
Speaker 2: and she was always like, if I can envision three
Speaker 2: different looks, like entirely different looks with the pair of shoes,
Speaker 2: then I'm going to go for it. But if you
Speaker 2: can't imagine yourself wearing it three different ways, don't buy it.
Speaker 2: Because we're talking like, you know, an expensive shoe, not
Speaker 2: like something you know every day. But that's kind of
Speaker 2: like been ingrained in my head now for bags, you
Speaker 2: know I can imagine it. Yeah, then don't don't do it.
Speaker 2: Don't buy it for like a one off thing or
Speaker 2: just for a one time event you know you have.
Speaker 2: It has to be like a long term purchase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I actually did think similar. I wanted it
Speaker 1: was kind of like a muted green color, which it
Speaker 1: sounds gross, but it and and then I thought to myself, hmm,
Speaker 1: I just don't see myself like it might look good
Speaker 1: with a couple of outfits, but not like a lot.
Speaker 1: So you know, I love that real that's awesome. And
Speaker 1: so also, what is your sort of take on the
Speaker 1: whole getting the designer, Like you said, when you've saved
Speaker 1: up living within your means, but also not being like
Speaker 1: a brand snob and still like finding the bargains and
Speaker 1: not necessarily everything has to be a certain brand.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely a big fan of mixing the highs and
Speaker 2: the lows. It's just not realistic to live in all
Speaker 2: the designer and even if I had the choice too,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to. I feel like there's a level
Speaker 2: of anxiety you get when you're carrying or wearing something
Speaker 2: really expensive, and so to me, I personally would like
Speaker 2: not be able to stand that. So I love living
Speaker 2: in my levies. I'm wearing like a plain white T shirt,
Speaker 2: and I'll wear a Chanel bag or a Gucci bag
Speaker 2: or whatever, and I feel like I'm a million dollars,
Speaker 2: you know. Like it's just that feeling of having a
Speaker 2: little accessory to elevate your luck. I think that's really
Speaker 2: all you need. And so I've always been a big
Speaker 2: fan of handbags, Like that's my favorite designer splurge is
Speaker 2: a handbag.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've never really been big on designer shoes because I
Speaker 2: feel like you wear them out or you don't wear
Speaker 2: them at all. It's kind of one of those things
Speaker 2: like the Gucci loafers. I wear those to death. But
Speaker 2: then I would never buy expensive high heels because I
Speaker 2: can't and wear high heels anymore. It's like a waste
Speaker 2: of money. So I just think that mixing the highs
Speaker 2: and lows is the way to go. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's it's nice, it's effortless, it's realistic, and then you
Speaker 2: just feel like you're carrying something nice with you while
Speaker 2: wearing a normal person every day.
Speaker 1: Else it awesome. Well, I am going to wrap up
Speaker 1: this interview. It has been so amazing to talk to
Speaker 1: you about all these awesome topics, all very different, but
Speaker 1: I loved it. Thank you so much for being on
Speaker 1: the show. Do you want to just let the audience know,
Speaker 1: you know where they can find your blog and your Instagram,
Speaker 1: any plugs that you have, anything that's happening at the moment.
Speaker 2: Sure. Well, thank you so much for having me on
Speaker 2: the podcast. This was really really fun and for being
Speaker 2: my first time. I feel like I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: Now, so fun like a conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like we're vffs now, this is great.
Speaker 2: I'm a VFF in Australia. I know I'm excited, but yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone can find me on Instagram obviously. My handle is
Speaker 2: at sivon aila and and my blog is just my
Speaker 2: name as well ww dot dot com. And as far
Speaker 2: as everything else goes, I've got a lot of things
Speaker 2: in the works. I can't really talk too much about it,
Speaker 2: but for anyone that's been following me in the past,
Speaker 2: we'll know I do a lot of product collaborations, and
Speaker 2: I do a lot of fun things throughout the year
Speaker 2: just to kind of keep it interesting and a good
Speaker 2: way for me to connect with my audience in a
Speaker 2: tangible way. So stay tuned because I definitely have some
Speaker 2: fun things coming out this year. So I love it.
Speaker 1: Make sure you're following her Instagram and you'll see so
Speaker 1: many cute stories and photos of Kupra you'll dot.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my gosh, yeah, just go to her and
Speaker 2: get me.
Speaker 1: I love it, all right, Thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: would talk to you later, all right, Thank you, hie bye.
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