1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a lawyer and health coach, 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health, 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves, 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself, 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals. 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Are you with me? Your friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys, 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Rise and Conquered Podcasts. I'm so excited. 13 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: I have a very special guest for you, one who 14 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: you have asked for and I was fangirling the whole 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: time I was interviewing her. I have savonn Eila Richards. 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Savann is a Los Angeles native living in the Valley 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: with her two dogs, Olive and Layla, her husband Paul, 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: and her baby girl, Capri. She began her blog in 19 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: twenty eleven with the objective of sharing realistic approaches to style, 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: home decort, beauty, cooking, cocktail creation, crafting, and now mothering. 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: With an unfiltered voice, Savann tries to create contact that 22 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: provides value to her community by sharing personal experiences while 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: finding luxury in everything along the way. Savan shares everything 24 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: with her audience, which I think is a big reason 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: why we love her so much and we are always 26 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: wanting more. Today we chat about how Savan started blocking, 27 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: how it became so successful, how she keeps such an 28 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: engaged audience, and also the download on being a new 29 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: working mum with her baby Capri. I had so much 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: fun recording this episode and I know you guys are 31 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: going to love it. Hi, Savan, how are you today? 32 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you? 33 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm good? Thank you, Thank you so much for coming 34 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: on the podcast. I am so excited to have you here. 35 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 2: My gosh, thanks for having me. This is my first podcast. 36 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Ever, is it really? Yeah? I've never done this before, 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: just took your podcast, Virginity, So I'm excited. 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: You did as a first or everything. 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: I love that so I cannot wait to get into 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: all the exciting and juicy questions I put on my 41 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Instagram story that I was interviewing you, and I had 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: so many excited people with so many good questions. So 43 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: we're going to get into the good stuff. But before that, 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: as this is the Rise and Conquer podcast, what is 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: one thing big or small that you are rising up 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: and conquering this week? 47 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Well this week if you follow along with my stories, 48 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: you totally get this. But this might sound simple, but 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: I've come to learn that the simple things are just 50 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: as challenging sometimes as the hard things. And one of 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: the things I'm challenging myself to this week is putting 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: the things in my closet away. I feel like every 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: single human being on this planet can sympathize with me 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: on this when I say that our closets become piles 55 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: of you know, clothes and discards and trash and hangtags. 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: And it's gotten to a point where it's become part 57 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: of my weekly challenge to figure out time to put 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: my clothes away. So one of the things I'm dealing 59 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: with this week is getting myself organized and putting my 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: clothes away. 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: That is so great. And I have seen his stories 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: about pull lasing his shit over it. 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not even joking you. He's thrown to divorce me. 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: He's like if you and also like threaten to like 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: leave me home on vacations. If you don't put the 66 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: clothes away by the end of this day, you're not 67 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: coming to Mexico. I have long threads howpen over the closet. 68 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: See. I kind of get it because my husband, Tim 69 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: is a total like neat freak, and we just moved 70 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: house and we have a walking robe for the first 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: time and he's like the exact same. He's like got 72 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: all his things in his little place and then like 73 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: I'll just like chuck close and he will like go 74 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: and pick them up and be like you can't just 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: do that. I'm like, oh my god. 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, No, it's funny because men are sometimes the 77 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: opposite and I just happened to get a guy who 78 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: is like completely OCD and neurotic about these things. So 79 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: leave it to me and it gets stuck with something 80 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: like that when I have this closet problem. 81 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: Yep, no food, I'm the exact the same. And it's 82 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: funny because I'm like kind of because I know Tim 83 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: is such like a neat freak, I kind of like 84 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: am a bit more chill because I would, like, I 85 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: know he kind of like, does it. 86 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: M exactly exactly? 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, So let's get straight into it. So you've 88 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: built this incredible online brand and really like loyal community. 89 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: That's something that I've noticed about your community is they're 90 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: very engaged, they're very invested, which is amazing. So how 91 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: did this whole online blog and brand stop? 92 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically, I started my blog as a creative 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: outlet while I was still working a traditional nine to 94 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: five job. I was in the fashion industry, working in wholesale, 95 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: and it was just not enjoyable by any means. And 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: I don't like to get into too much detail, obviously, 97 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: but I like to just mention the fact that I 98 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: wasn't working with people that were very nice, and I 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: felt like I was creatively very stunted, and I just 100 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: wasn't really feeling fulfilled. So I started my blog as 101 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: a hobby on the side, and I had been following 102 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: a handful of girls that I feel like kind of 103 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: put blogging on the map at the time, and I 104 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: just realized that you could have a career with it. 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: That's not why I started it, and I think that's 106 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: a big reason why it is where it is today 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: because I didn't go into it for money. I went 108 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: into it for purely passion and for the love of 109 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: being creative and having complete creative freedom to do what 110 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: I wanted. And so I did it kind of for 111 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: my boyfriend who's now my husband at the time, and 112 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: my mom and I had probably two readers, and I 113 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: still was pumping out content almost every single day. And 114 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: I feel like remaining consistent and doing it purely because 115 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: I loved it really helped it reach to where it 116 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: reached where it is today. 117 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: And so what year did you start the bloke? 118 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: I started in twenty eleven. 119 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy, so good. Eight years. 120 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a very long time. And for the 121 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: first few years, I would say I really had a 122 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: low readership. It wasn't anything to brag about, let's just 123 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: put it that way. But I just felt like I 124 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: was doing it for myself and that's what kept it going. 125 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: And I obviously reached a point where I was putting 126 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: so much time and energy into it that Paul, my husband, 127 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: had to eventually be like, look, do you want to 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: pursue this as a career, because if that's the case, 129 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: you need to take it to the next level. And 130 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: do something to kind of elevate things and speed it up. 131 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: So I had to eventually let go of everything I 132 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: was doing and take a giant risk, and it paid off, obviously, 133 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: because now I'm here and I do this full time 134 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: and it's amazing. It's amazing that this is my job. 135 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. And so Instagram obviously came after. That's kind 136 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: of noting. 137 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it came after, and it really wasn't. It's funny 138 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: you mentioned that because yesterday I was kind of taking 139 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: a walk down memory lane on my Instagram page and 140 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: I scrolled all the way back to my very first post, 141 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: which I didn't realize Instagram was a social platform. I 142 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: thought it was an app to help you edit your 143 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: photos with filters. So like first caption was this app 144 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: is phenomenon. Like I was just talking to myself about 145 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: how great the app was. So yeah, I had no 146 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: idea that people could see my photos or my captions. 147 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: And so it's funny because it took a while before 148 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: that realization happened. And then I kind of put two 149 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: and two together and I started seeing the bloggers that 150 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: I was following on the computer on Instagram, and it 151 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: like dawned on me like, oh, wow, people can see 152 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: what I'm posting, I should probably post something interesting or 153 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: say something interesting at least. And I think I went 154 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: through a long period of time where I was just 155 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: posting whatever whenever. There was really no rhyme or reason 156 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: or strategy behind it. You know, it just wasn't aligned 157 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: with my actual site. And it took a long time 158 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: for me to realize that. So Instagram was a whole 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: other beast. 160 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And so you obviously never intended to 161 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: become an influencer. That kind of just happened. And I 162 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: did see on your stories that you said that I 163 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: think it was a trip to Capri or we don't know. Yeah, like, 164 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: I think this is the holiday that put me on 165 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the map as like an influencer. And so did you 166 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: kind of see when you changed your content sort of 167 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, in influx of followers and that sort of thing. 168 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: So the first instance I realized I was gaining momentum 169 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: on Instagram was my wedding in Greece. The second time 170 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: was when I went to Italy the following summer and 171 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: we were celebrating our first wedding anniversary. I was gaining 172 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: a lot of momentum on Instagram, and so I obviously 173 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: the two things in common there are travel and it 174 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: was you know, destinations that are naturally so beautiful, and 175 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: content is flowing freely everywhere you go. You just find 176 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 2: something photogenic to take a photo of, and your living 177 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: your best life. Obviously, so things are interesting. But my 178 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: Italy trip specifically, I think there was something about the 179 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: content there that people love on Instagram. I think Italy 180 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: in general is one of those places where if you're 181 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: in Italy and you're either using the flag emoji or 182 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: you're hashtagging Italy or geotagging Italy, I think that there's 183 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: something that registers and in Instagram that you're either thrown 184 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: on the explore page or people are searching for, because 185 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: engagement was at an all time high for me there 186 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: at the time, at least. 187 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: Because it's like, I guess, you know, a dream sort 188 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: of destination. 189 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a dreamy place to be, and it 190 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: kind of makes it really easy for your content to 191 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: look cohesive and flow. Unintentionally because back then I didn't 192 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: really know the whole beauty behind a cohesive feed or 193 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: an aesthetic. I really would just put up whatever I 194 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: felt like at the time, and it could be like 195 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: varying styles basically, but when you're in Italy, somehow, some way, 196 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: all your content is just cohesive. It flows, It's just 197 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: naturally mapped out and perfect without even trying. 198 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: And it probably helps that you're having an amazing time. 199 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: Too, exactly so, and let's sprits is the umbrellas that 200 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: you know, everything in Italy is just so gorgeous, but 201 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: it's just cohesive too. 202 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: What do you think you were previously just talking about 203 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: You said you had no strategy and what is your 204 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: strategy now with your blog and Instagram? Do you kind 205 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: of have one or do you kind of just go 206 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: off feelings and what your audience wants? Like, what do 207 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: you think makes it successful? Now? 208 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: Well, after so much trial and error, I feel like 209 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: I now know what my audience is the most receptive to. 210 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: So while I try to keep things very like in 211 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: the moment and unfiltered and raw, I also know that 212 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: there's certain things that people are interested in, so for instance, 213 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: my home, my baby recipes. There's certain things that I 214 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: just know that I emphasize in my life. So obviously 215 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: I've got a lot more going on than what you 216 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: see on the camera. But I know that when people 217 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: want to see specific topics, I make a point of 218 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: showing more of that. People love my husband. They think 219 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: he's funny, and you know, we're always poking fun at 220 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: each other, and he really plays a huge part in 221 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: everything that I showcase on my social media. So you know, 222 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of strategy behind what I post. 223 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: But for the most part, I think that we just 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: kind of know we focus in on the categories that 225 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: people are most interested in to keep them engaged. Yep. 226 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: So you're just going off your audience and what sort 227 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: of works best. 228 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like, you know, I want I 229 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: want to give people what they want, and I don't 230 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: want to have to force it. So for me, I 231 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: think the reason it works is because it's organically happening. 232 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 2: We're not setting up these situations or you know, going 233 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: out and creating a setting like we're actually living in 234 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: these settings. We're having these actual conversations, and that's what 235 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: makes the content appealing to people. I think, because it 236 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: ends up coming across very relatable because it's everyday situations 237 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: that happen to everyday people. I'm not living a super 238 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: lavish life or wearing only designer. And I think that 239 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: my life is just very relatable to people, which is 240 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: ultimately why I think people want to come back for more. 241 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: They want to see today what's going on in my 242 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: life that they can relate to. 243 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, I couldn't agree more. That's something I personally, 244 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: I you know, I have this podcast on YouTube, but 245 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm bigger on Instagram and it's definitely more the fitness 246 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: and health angle. But I got to ask the exact 247 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: same question, and for me, I'm very much an everyday 248 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: girl where you know, I'm into fitness and health, but 249 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: it's not like my main priority. And I still have 250 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: a husband and I've got dogs, and it's all very 251 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: like relatable and real, which obviously like like it just 252 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: people can relate to it, so it makes it easy 253 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: content to consume. 254 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So what like three. 255 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Tips that you could give someone if they wanted to 256 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: start an online brand and community. 257 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: I'd say three things to start your online brand and 258 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: community would be one, have a voice. I think that 259 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people associate bloggers with beautiful pictures and 260 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: that's it. And I think that if you really want 261 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: to make a difference, grow an audience, stand for something, 262 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: represent something you know, just be different than everyone else. 263 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: I think you have to have a voice that just 264 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: this differentiates you from everyone else. I just personally don't 265 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: have any interest in following someone who's purely pretty pictures. 266 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: I want to see personality. I want to hear your voice. 267 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: I want to hear if you have a sense of 268 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: humor that I relate to. You, know, like, I want 269 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: to know more about the person. I don't want to 270 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: just see a curated image. The second thing i'd say 271 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: is be authentic and original. I know that's probably super 272 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: cliche to say, but I do feel like it's a 273 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: very saturated industry, and I do still think there's room 274 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: for everyone to do what they want to do. But 275 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: if you're trying to replicate someone or steal someone's formula 276 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: that works for them, thinking it's going to work for you, 277 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: I feel like there's going to be a seiling for 278 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: you and people will see right through that. And I 279 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: personally think that remaining authentic and true to yourself is 280 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: obviously the only thing you could do at this point 281 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: that's different than someone else. Because almost everything in this 282 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,239 Speaker 2: universe has been done or designed, or created or invented, 283 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,359 Speaker 2: and so in this space specifically, it's like your personality 284 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: and your voice is really all you have. Yeah, so 285 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: that to me is super important. And then three, I 286 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: think having value, adding value to someone's life is also 287 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: really important. So as a blogger, I you know, I 288 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: follow a bunch of bloggers and I've read a bunch 289 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: of blogs over the years, and I feel like I 290 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: always drew inspiration from these girls. And I looked at 291 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: the topics they were talking about and was like, Wow, 292 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: that's really interesting. But I have a different take on it, 293 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: So let me make a similar blog post. But you know, 294 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: give my opinions or my views, and adding value to 295 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: people is really the key if you're going to have 296 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: a blog specifically, because like I just said, everyone kind 297 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: of talks about those blogger topics so to say, so 298 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: you know, like we all say, here's your Italy travel guide, 299 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: or you know, ten jackets to where this winter, or 300 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: what I'm packing to Coachella. We're all kind of talking 301 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: about the same topics. But if you can take that 302 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: and add value to someone somewhere, I feel like that's 303 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: what's going to make you successful as a blogger. You 304 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: can't just give people like surface level information. 305 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I love that those three tips were amazing, and so 306 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: just touching more on being authentic. So what if someone 307 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know, they don't know their style yet 308 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: they don't know what they like. Would you recommend just 309 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: sort of trialing things out and seeing how they go, 310 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: or how would someone go about that? 311 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: I have two thoughts on that. My first one is 312 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: I don't feel like anyone should really have to figure 313 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: out what they like. You either know you like it 314 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: or you don't like it. And that could just be 315 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: me because I'm very decisive. I know right away when 316 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: I like something and when I don't like something, so 317 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: it's not like I have to go out looking for it. 318 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: But as far as like your style goes, it's kind 319 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: of like what feels natural to you. There's like trends, 320 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: for instance, like dad sneakers. I despise them at the 321 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: minute I saw them. I don't care who's wearing them. 322 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: I don't care which designer made them, I don't give 323 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: a fuck. Like those are ugly to me and you 324 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: will not see me rocking them, and I feel like 325 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: I'm literal sorry. 326 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: Money and tim, which this exact same topic, like free 327 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: days great, and he's like. 328 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, like it's just it's like one of 329 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: those things like I just knew right away that wasn't 330 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: for me. And even though it's popular and maybe if 331 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: I hashtag the right thing, I would get more likes 332 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: my photos or maybe you would get a different audience, 333 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: it's not me. It's not who I am, and so 334 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: there's no way I can do that to myself. So 335 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: that's just like one very simple example of you know, 336 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: I don't conform to things because they're in or trendy 337 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: or cool or whatever. I personally just stick to what 338 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: I know what I like, and I think that that 339 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: register is true and authentic to my audience. 340 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: I love that. No, you explain that, so love And 341 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: so one last question just about the blog. I personally 342 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: love blogs. I follow blogers. I'm a big fan. I 343 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: definitely look at your blog for food and fashion and 344 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: skincare and just like Daily Life inspurs all about that book. 345 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 346 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: Yet I know that lots of people are saying the 347 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: traditional blogs are dead. What is your thoughts on that. 348 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: I definitely have heard that, and when I first heard it, 349 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: I was kind of sad because I'm like, wait, but honestly, 350 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: writing my blog is one of my favorite parts of 351 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: being a blogger, and I do still call myself a blogger, 352 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: even though we've got this new term influencer, which I 353 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: feel like embodies are pretty good. It's just a good 354 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: description for what people are doing on social media these days. 355 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: I feel like I personally like to identify with the 356 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: term blogger better because I do put so much time 357 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: and effort and energy into my blog, and I feel 358 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: like I always want to provide value to my readers, 359 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: so I spend a lot of time coming up with 360 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: topics that either are not discussed or if I think 361 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: I have an interesting take on something. So I think 362 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: that traditional blogging in the sense that you're just putting 363 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: out like that surface level content we talked about, I 364 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: think that's dead. I think that that's, you know, a 365 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: diamond dozen. We don't really need that anymore, especially with Instagram. 366 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: But I think that if you're a blogger that's pumping 367 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: out like valuable content that people want to read, I 368 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: don't think it's dead. I think that, you know, brands 369 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: also are still really interested in reading blog posts about 370 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: reviews and their products and their services, So I think 371 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: there's still a lot to be done on blogs, but 372 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: I feel like it just depends on the blogger and 373 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: the kind of content you're writing. 374 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I couldn't agree more. And something I've even noticed 375 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: with just me and my taste and blogs is I'm 376 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: very used to look at and read a lot of 377 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: blogs where you kind of didn't even know the face 378 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: behind the blog. It was more like this like concept, 379 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: I guess, Whereas now I follow and read a lot 380 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: of blogs because I know the person and even though 381 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: I don't know the person, but I feel like I 382 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: have this you know, connection with this person and it's 383 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: very personal and you're trusting you know their taste and 384 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So I couldn't agree more. Right, 385 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: So I want to move on, and I want to 386 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: talk to you about your beautiful little girl Capri personally 387 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: like not maternal at all. I'm like that odd person 388 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: who I'm only twenty four, but I don't know, Like 389 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: all my friends are like, oh my god, babies, I'm like, oh, 390 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, just not a fan. I didn't think that. 391 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: I think great and I'm like, hmm, maybe I could 392 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: have children so gorgeous. And I loved watching your whole 393 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: pacy and just kind of going through the journey with you. 394 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you, so, what's life like 395 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: after your first baby? 396 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: Well, first off, thank you so much obviously as a mother. 397 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: Now there's that thing I love hearing more than someone 398 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: telling me that they think my baby's cute. 399 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: I could imagine. 400 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's like my greatest compliment these days. But 401 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: life after baby is it's definitely challenging, it's amazing, and 402 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: it's very rewarding. One thing I didn't really think that 403 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: I would recognize in being a mother is how fulfilling 404 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 2: it feels to take care of somebody, because, like you 405 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: just said, you're not maternal. I'm not maternal at all. 406 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: There's not one maternal bone in my body. This when 407 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: Paul when he's sick, I'm like, no, no, no, you 408 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: can You'll be fine, you'll live. 409 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: It's literally Whenning was like wake me up, it was 410 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: like four of the morning because he walked Ellie and 411 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'm feeling a bit sick, and I 412 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: was like, why did you wake me? Yeah? A person, 413 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: So I resonate with Yes. 414 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: I can relate. I mean, I just I don't know, 415 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: like I've never been that kind of person that's a caretaker, 416 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: and so I was very concerned about that. To be honest, 417 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: I didn't know what would happen when I had her. 418 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: And it's been amazing to kind of see how my 419 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: body just clicks into the role of being a mother 420 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: and taking care of her and it's my priority. And 421 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: so it's definitely I think it just clicks. I think 422 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: people say that all the time. You don't know what 423 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: that means, but when it happens to you, you just 424 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: you get it and you know it. But you know, 425 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: as far as everything goes in life, I feel like 426 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: having her has just been the best thing that's ever 427 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: happened to me. 428 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: And oh g commertional, I'm like crazy at all. I'm like, 429 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: really about this. 430 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, your hormones get all fucked up, so you become 431 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: this like emotional, like mushy person. All my girlfriends are like, 432 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: who are you. 433 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Honey? 434 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So but it's amazing. But were you asking 435 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: me about career stuff or just like in life. 436 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: Well we'll get into that, but I also I also 437 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, say, like, how did you know 438 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: that you wanted to start having children? Like how did 439 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: that sort of come back, because how old are you? 440 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking. 441 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 2: I'm thirty one. I think I'm twenty five, but thirty one. 442 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, this question has been asked multiple times, and 443 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: really the answer is I didn't know that I was ready. 444 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: It was more something that just happened. And yes, I'm 445 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: fully admitting it was an accident, but I have no shame. 446 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 2: I don't care. It's, you know, obviously the best thing 447 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: that's ever happened, so I will own that. But it 448 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: was one of those things where Paul and I just 449 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: kind of like looked at our lives and realized that 450 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: we've traveled a bunch. We were secure in the sense 451 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: or we owned a home, and we felt very comfortable 452 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: in our careers, and we both felt like we've achieved 453 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: a lot of personal goals that we didn't feel like 454 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: having a child would ever hold us back or you know, 455 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: make us feel like we're missing out on something, or 456 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: we didn't fully like give it our all before settling 457 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: down like that, because obviously a child is a huge 458 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: commitment and responsibility and it's going to change your life 459 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. So we personally felt 460 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: like we were in a good place if we were 461 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: to have a child, it was going to be fine. 462 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: And we had not that we've been trying, but it 463 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: had been a few years since we got married. I 464 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: want to say it was three years, and we kind 465 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: of looked at each other and we're like, well, like, 466 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: do we want to have a child? And we said, okay, 467 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: next year if like it doesn't happen naturally, like let's 468 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: sit down and actually talk about it with like a 469 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 2: doctor or whatever. Next year. And then literally like that 470 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: week if yeah, like that same week that we had 471 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: made this decision, Yeah, I got pregnant. I didn't know 472 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: for the next six weeks. But it's just crazy how 473 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: that happens. It's just like you put things out into 474 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 2: the universe, and I feel like when you don't stress 475 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: about them and you don't fixate on them and obsess 476 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: over them, I feel like things just kind of fall 477 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: into place. So that's how that happened. Yeah. 478 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: This podcast is brought to you by Naked Half As Supplements, 479 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: a female first Vacan all natural supplement brand. 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Now, let's get straight back into the episode. 503 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: What are some things that have been big adjustments that 504 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: you kind of weren't prepared to after having Capri. 505 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: One of the adjustments I had to make was really 506 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: disciplining myself when I came to work, because I have 507 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: always been a very disciplined person, and I've always been 508 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: self employed, so I kind of always knew what it 509 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: took to be structured and work from home. But today 510 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: it's like one of the biggest challenges is because she's 511 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: home and I'm home and I have help, and all 512 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: I want to do is spend time with her when 513 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: she's awake, and it's just very, very challenging, and I 514 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: never expected this to be the case for me, Like 515 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: I have to like be really really selective about how 516 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: I spend my time these days. So if it means 517 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: skilled events because I need to be home for her bedtime, 518 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: or canceling a shoot because she's just not feeling well, 519 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: there's just, you know, sacrifices you make, and you can't 520 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: ever foresee those things happening. You don't know when they're 521 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: going to pop up. And that's been a challenge in 522 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: something that I just didn't really expect. I didn't expect 523 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: to really ever feel like I'm putting work on the 524 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: back burner for anything. But you know, you do what 525 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: you have to do. She's my priority. 526 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: And so do you have any advice for soon to 527 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: be moms out there who are in their own business 528 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: who was self employed? 529 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to sound like such a ugy bitch 530 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: right now, but I just have to say it, like 531 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: I got a night nurse, and it was something that's 532 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: super foreign to my to me because my husband and 533 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: I did not grow up with nanny or a night 534 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: nurse or any of those things. Like we were just 535 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: you know, we had our parents. 536 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: Can I quickly ask, what is a night mess? 537 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: Yes, so a night nurse is a basically, it's a 538 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: night nanny. It's someone who specializes in like infants, and 539 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: they come to your house as soon as you want 540 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 2: them to, like we had ours come basically right when 541 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: we came home from the hospital. We didn't know what 542 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: we'd want at first, because we're like, oh, we should 543 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: try to do it ourselves, you know, like come home. 544 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: But after you're in the hospital for three days and 545 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: you're sleep deprived, you obviously like the shock of your 546 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: life just happened. You need sleep more than anything in 547 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: the world when you get home. And I personally called 548 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: our night nurse was like, never mind, you're coming the 549 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: day we come home from the hospital. We were being 550 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: way too ambitious here, and so a night nurs comes 551 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: at night, and basically they're all different, obviously, but ours 552 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: came from nine pm and she stayed until seven am. 553 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: And basically what it did was give us the peace 554 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: of mind to go to sleep, sleep soundly, and know 555 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: that our baby's taken care of. Her feedings were going 556 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: to happen, she was going to get changed, and if 557 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: she woke up, then there's going to be someone to 558 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: soothe her back to bed. And obviously, this is my 559 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: first baby, so I didn't really know what to expect, 560 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: but we happened to get super, super lucky and get 561 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: a child that loves to sleep. So she was a 562 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: very easy baby, and even our night nurse was like, wow, 563 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: your baby is insanely easy. And there was times where 564 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: we were just like, we know, we're just wasting the money, 565 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: throwing it in the garbage, basically because she's such an 566 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: easy baby. But it's also the peace of mind, like Yeah, 567 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: we knew when we had her we could sleep well, 568 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: which meant in the moarning, you're happier, you're more energized, 569 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: you're enjoying your time with your baby, you're not frustrated, 570 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: you have a clear mind, you can work. So it 571 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: was very, very, very crucial for us to be well rested, 572 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: especially in the beginning when she's such a new baby. 573 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: It's such a new concept to us that we felt 574 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: like we truly enjoyed like every moment of her coming 575 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: home and being a baby, and we were just so happy. 576 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: And I feel like without sleep, that would have been 577 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: a very different extpt experience for me. So being self employed, 578 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: I depend on sleep. I need to work from home. 579 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: I need to be awake and sharp. And that was 580 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: what really did it for me, is having a night nurse. 581 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: I love that. So you're kind of giving the advice 582 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: of when you need help, get help. 583 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. I think that so many moms they feel 584 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: so guilty all that mom shame stuff, and it's like 585 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: in the mom guilt and I feel like that's just 586 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: such bullshit. Like it's twenty nineteen and we women work 587 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: and men work, and it's just one of those things 588 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: like it's the human body. We need rest, we need sleep, 589 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: and I don't think anyone is designed to operate properly 590 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: on you know, no sleep. 591 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: I love that you're breaking that stereotype. Like I feel 592 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: like you said, like we live in this world and 593 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: it's not just the women stay at home and look 594 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: after baby, like we work as well, and so I 595 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: feel like you would have known that you might have 596 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: got a bit of judgment from that. I love that 597 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: you're just like, fuck it, I need this my business. 598 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. Like I kind of even experienced 599 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of the same. I have like a cleaner, 600 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: and so I grew up like my mom was a 601 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: stay at home mum, and so like when I told 602 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: her I have a cleaner, she was like shocked to 603 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: the core, not shocked. I work from home, and so 604 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: so many people like didn't understand it. But I was like, yeah, 605 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: but I work, like I don't have time, you know, 606 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: and T only comes once every fortnight. But I even 607 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: felt because I had a cleaner, but I was like, no, 608 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: I need this, like I work full time, Tim works 609 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: full time, Like it's not easy to just do it all. 610 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: And so I love that you're breaking that stereotype, and 611 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: it's being transparent about it. 612 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: There's people that do all these things behind the scenes 613 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: and pretend like they don't have the help, and you know, 614 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: because that's like what you quote unquote should do and 615 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: you know what's expected of you, and you know, social 616 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: media is, in my opinion, a great place to really 617 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: like shed light on what's actually happening, and a lot 618 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: of people want to hide the reality of what's happening 619 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: and make things look so prim and proper and perfect, 620 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: and we all know like having babies, it's messy, it's dirty, 621 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: it's not always pretty, and you know the reality of 622 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: raising a baby it's difficult, it's challenging, you cry, you 623 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: are dirty, you have spit up on you. You know, Like, 624 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: I just don't see the reason to hide all that. 625 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: I think it's so much more comforting when you're honest 626 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: about things and then people can like know that there's 627 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: other people out there experiencing the same things and you 628 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: can talk about it, and then just having that comfort 629 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: to me, it just makes me feel a lot better. 630 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: I love when I can kind of share a challenging 631 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: situation and my audience responds like, oh my gosh, Thank 632 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: god you said that, because I thought I was the 633 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 2: only one going through this, and it's so nice to 634 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: know that someone else is dealing with the same things. 635 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: So exact, I have no Yeah, I have no problem 636 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: sharing that I ask for help when I need it. 637 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love that amazing. Okay, And so I 638 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: want to ask you, and this is might be a 639 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: bit of a selfish question, just because I'm obviously married 640 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: to Tim, and it is sometimes hard juggling a career, 641 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: especially intertwined with social media, because you can make the 642 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: excuse of when you're on your phone, you're like, oh, 643 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: this is work, I need to be doing this, but 644 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: it can sometimes you know, af fetch your relationships and 645 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So I just wanted you 646 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: to go in, what is life like, you know with 647 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: I want to call him Richard, but yeah, and so 648 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: what's life like with Paul? Do you guys have any 649 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: like sort of boundaries with your phones or anything like 650 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: that with social media? 651 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: Well, he's a stage mom, so for him, like the 652 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: more or I share, the better he loves it. I 653 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: think it's funny because people would expect it to be 654 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: the other way around. People think, oh, se Vaughan's the 655 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: actual influencer, so she's probably on her phone all day 656 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 2: and that's like a very common question. We have a lot, 657 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: you know, don't you get so frustrated with her on 658 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,479 Speaker 2: her phone all the time. And it's actually funny because 659 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: it's almost like he's the one being more pushy about 660 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: me being on the phone more. That's good because you know, 661 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: he's super supportive and he feels like he thinks I'm hilarious, 662 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: so he always wants to document all the like the 663 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: ridiculous things that I say and do, and you know, 664 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: I don't always think to grab my phone in those moments, 665 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: but he does. And so I think that it's an 666 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: unspoken role in our house where it's just kind of 667 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: like we know when it's time to put the phones 668 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: away and when it's fine to have them out. Basically, 669 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: at night, we like to have dinner together and catch 670 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 2: up about our day because Paul works a traditional job. 671 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: He's an entertainment attorney, so he's, you know, at work 672 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: all day. I'm here all day doing my thing, and 673 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: then at the end of the day we come together, 674 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 2: we have dinner, we'll eat and then sometimes at the 675 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: end of dinner, it's like we'll have a funny conversation 676 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 2: and I'll almost recap it for my stories. So sometimes 677 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 2: you'll see me at the dinner table snapping. But for 678 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: the most part, it's like we know that that's like 679 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: our alone time. It's how we spend quality time together 680 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 2: catching up and we always have things to talk about, 681 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 2: which I think is it's a whole different topic, actually, 682 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 2: but it's just nice that we can always have that 683 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: time to ourselves and we carve out time for each 684 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 2: other and it's like the cameras are not on and 685 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: that's our alone time. But I feel like for the 686 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: most part, we just kind of know what each other's 687 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 2: boundaries are and when it's like okay to have the 688 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: phone on, and when it's like okay, it's too much. 689 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that, And I love how supportive 690 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: he is of you and your business and your career. 691 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: It's really lovely. 692 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 2: It really is a nice feeling. I know a lot 693 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 2: of girls that they tell me that their white friends 694 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: or husbands get really irritated by it, and I just 695 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: can't imagine. I feel like I would be so discouraged 696 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: if that's how my significant other was, just because it's like, 697 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 2: you spend so much time with them that you want 698 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 2: to feel like they're okay with it and that they're 699 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 2: comfortable with it and they're supporting it. I would I 700 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: just I honestly don't think I could do it without 701 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 2: his support. 702 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent amazing. Okay, So I want to 703 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: ask one last question, and this is because I feel 704 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: like Instagram has really or even just social media in general, 705 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: even blogs like at the moment or recently, have really 706 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: gone in the way of, you know, everyone's wearing designer stuff, 707 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: and it kind of puts an image, especially for like 708 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: younger girls who don't necessarily have this sort of money, 709 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: and they'll go out and blow the whole entire pay 710 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: on your Knowscucci back, yeah, and stuff like that instead 711 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: of saving. Like, I feel like social media has really 712 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: taken this turn where it's very much about branded things 713 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: and looking a certain way and that sort of thing. 714 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: And I know you do love like design of things, 715 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: but then you also love a good bargain. I'm much 716 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: like you in that way, and so you kind of 717 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: in between that sort of look, and so I just 718 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: wanted to get your advice on for others, like, what 719 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: is your take on the whole getting caught up in 720 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: the you know, design a thing on social media and 721 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: what are your rules on spending? 722 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so for me, designer has always been something I love. 723 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 2: I've always loved fashion, even as a young girl, and 724 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: I always knew that if I wanted something really frivolous 725 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: or extravagant or beyond my means, that I was going 726 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 2: to have to save for it. So I got a 727 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,479 Speaker 2: job as early as I possibly could. My best friend 728 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 2: and I who's still my best friend today, at fifteen 729 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: years old, we went and got boutique jobs just so 730 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: we could support our shopping addiction because our parents were 731 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 2: obviously like, you girls are fifteen, why do you need 732 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 2: to have anything the time is juicy gutur? You know, 733 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: we died for juicy coutur. And our parents were not 734 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: down to bias like two hundred dollars like sweatpants. So, 735 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, like that was instilled in me from the beginning, 736 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 2: like if I wanted something that was expensive or just designer, 737 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 2: it was going to have to be on my heart 738 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 2: earned dollar. And at the end of the day, if 739 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 2: I was okay blowing my money like that, then that 740 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: was on me. But obviously now as a grown up 741 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: and I have responsibilities, and I have bills, and I 742 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: have to budget. I kind of have to make sure 743 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: that I'm living within my means. And thankfully Paul is 744 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 2: a finance major, so he's always been really on me about, 745 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 2: you know, making sure that at the end of the day, 746 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 2: all my bills must be paid. I have to put 747 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 2: some money away in the savings, and then what's left 748 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 2: over for my like fun money or my play money 749 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 2: is what I'm allowed to spend, and that to me 750 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 2: is super important. So I even to this day, if 751 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: I want something that's super expensive, even if I can 752 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 2: afford it without having to go through the whole motion 753 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: of like mapping out my money to the dollar, I 754 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 2: still have to like go home and think about it 755 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: and make sure that it's worth it and it's something 756 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 2: that I'm going to use long term and it's not 757 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: just a trendy like in the moment purchase. I think 758 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: that today there's so many cute things Gucci, for example, 759 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 2: like they just pump out shit left and right that 760 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: is so cute. Every time I walk by, I'm like, oh, 761 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 2: so many cute things. But I am not afraid to 762 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 2: say that I have purchased one or two things from 763 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 2: there that I feel like like I just jumped the gun. 764 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 2: I went too fast and I was like, fuck, now 765 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 2: that's trendy and I'm not even like that into it anymore, 766 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 2: and I feel guilty about it. And now I have 767 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 2: to look at that bag sitting there being like shit, 768 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 2: I should have bought something else because that was like 769 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 2: an impulse buy. So when you're gonna buy designer, I 770 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: feel like you need to really make sure it's something 771 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 2: that is a classic piece. You're gonna love it for 772 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 2: a long time. It's obviously within your means. Don't like 773 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 2: blow your whole rent money on a bag. I think 774 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 2: that's really silly. Just be why about those kinds of things. 775 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: I'm definitely about treating yourself, but I think you have 776 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: to do it in a reasonable way if that makes sense. 777 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. And I love what you said 778 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: about getting clear, so you know, paying your bills, putting 779 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: some money away from tax or rent or all that 780 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and then being clear about what you 781 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: can spend. And then when you do go and spend 782 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: that money, it feels like really good because you're like, 783 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: you know you can. 784 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 2: Of course I think that, like I've made purchases in 785 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 2: the past, like don't like, don't be confused, Like I 786 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 2: wasn't always responsible with my money. I was one of 787 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 2: those people. This was like in my early twenties, I 788 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 2: was living paycheck to paycheck. I would buy things well 789 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 2: beyond my means and I would be racking up credit 790 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 2: card debt just so I could buy like nice things. 791 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 2: And it was almost like it took Paul to realize 792 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 2: what I was doing. And he was like, what's wrong 793 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 2: with you? You have no savings, You're buying all these 794 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 2: designer things. You're blowing your money on designer things, and 795 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 2: you can't afford your bills, Like what is problem? Like 796 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 2: how are you not seeing what you're doing wrong here? 797 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 2: And I was like wait what? And I was so 798 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 2: shocked by the whole thing you like, and then we 799 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 2: kind of yeah, it was like I needed like a 800 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 2: reality check really And now, I mean, the way I 801 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: view money is so different than when I was younger, 802 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 2: And I think as you get older, you start to 803 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 2: like understand the value of money more. And even though 804 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 2: I had to work for it, I was blowing it. 805 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 2: I was like, what am I doing here? So yeah, 806 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 2: I think it's all about just being smart about it, 807 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,479 Speaker 2: make good choices, live within your means. If you can't 808 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 2: afford it, don't buy it. You know, that's just plain 809 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 2: and simple how it should go. But I know how 810 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 2: girls are, and like you said, social media makes everything 811 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 2: look so appealing and everyone left and right is carrying 812 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 2: like a Chanel. I just bought my first Chanel last week, 813 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 2: and I was really really like holding out on that 814 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: one because it's so expensive. 815 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred per said, I think that's such a 816 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: good idea. I definitely like before any designer purchases. Not 817 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: that I buy it that like much, but I definitely 818 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: like had to give myself time and be like really 819 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: think about it, and because I'm like that where I 820 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: want things like in the moment and I want it now, 821 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: but then if like I wait a week or two, 822 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: and then it kind of cools off and I'm like, oh, 823 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 1: I don't really actually want that, or like I really 824 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: stalled that, you know that well, or. 825 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 2: No, that's true. My girlfriend, my best friend, she actually 826 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 2: taught me this rule that I can't take credit for. 827 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 2: She basically said, you have to picture yourself using this 828 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 2: with three different outfits. So this is like specifically in 829 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 2: regards to shoes. So for her, she's like a shoe attict, 830 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 2: and she was always like, if I can envision three 831 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: different looks, like entirely different looks with the pair of shoes, 832 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 2: then I'm going to go for it. But if you 833 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 2: can't imagine yourself wearing it three different ways, don't buy it. 834 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 2: Because we're talking like, you know, an expensive shoe, not 835 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: like something you know every day. But that's kind of 836 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 2: like been ingrained in my head now for bags, you 837 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 2: know I can imagine it. Yeah, then don't don't do it. 838 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 2: Don't buy it for like a one off thing or 839 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 2: just for a one time event you know you have. 840 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: It has to be like a long term purchase. 841 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I actually did think similar. I wanted it 842 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: was kind of like a muted green color, which it 843 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:25,959 Speaker 1: sounds gross, but it and and then I thought to myself, hmm, 844 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: I just don't see myself like it might look good 845 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: with a couple of outfits, but not like a lot. 846 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: So you know, I love that real that's awesome. And 847 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: so also, what is your sort of take on the 848 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: whole getting the designer, Like you said, when you've saved 849 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: up living within your means, but also not being like 850 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: a brand snob and still like finding the bargains and 851 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: not necessarily everything has to be a certain brand. 852 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm definitely a big fan of mixing the highs and 853 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 2: the lows. It's just not realistic to live in all 854 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 2: the designer and even if I had the choice too, 855 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to. I feel like there's a level 856 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 2: of anxiety you get when you're carrying or wearing something 857 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 2: really expensive, and so to me, I personally would like 858 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: not be able to stand that. So I love living 859 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 2: in my levies. I'm wearing like a plain white T shirt, 860 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 2: and I'll wear a Chanel bag or a Gucci bag 861 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: or whatever, and I feel like I'm a million dollars, 862 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 2: you know. Like it's just that feeling of having a 863 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 2: little accessory to elevate your luck. I think that's really 864 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 2: all you need. And so I've always been a big 865 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 2: fan of handbags, Like that's my favorite designer splurge is 866 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 2: a handbag. 867 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 868 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 2: I've never really been big on designer shoes because I 869 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 2: feel like you wear them out or you don't wear 870 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 2: them at all. It's kind of one of those things 871 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 2: like the Gucci loafers. I wear those to death. But 872 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 2: then I would never buy expensive high heels because I 873 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 2: can't and wear high heels anymore. It's like a waste 874 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 2: of money. So I just think that mixing the highs 875 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 2: and lows is the way to go. I feel like 876 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 2: it's it's nice, it's effortless, it's realistic, and then you 877 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 2: just feel like you're carrying something nice with you while 878 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 2: wearing a normal person every day. 879 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: Else it awesome. Well, I am going to wrap up 880 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: this interview. It has been so amazing to talk to 881 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: you about all these awesome topics, all very different, but 882 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: I loved it. Thank you so much for being on 883 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: the show. Do you want to just let the audience know, 884 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: you know where they can find your blog and your Instagram, 885 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: any plugs that you have, anything that's happening at the moment. 886 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 2: Sure. Well, thank you so much for having me on 887 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 2: the podcast. This was really really fun and for being 888 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 2: my first time. I feel like I'm obsessed. 889 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: Now, so fun like a conversation. 890 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like we're vffs now, this is great. 891 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm a VFF in Australia. I know I'm excited, but yeah, 892 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 2: everyone can find me on Instagram obviously. My handle is 893 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 2: at sivon aila and and my blog is just my 894 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 2: name as well ww dot dot com. And as far 895 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,280 Speaker 2: as everything else goes, I've got a lot of things 896 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 2: in the works. I can't really talk too much about it, 897 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 2: but for anyone that's been following me in the past, 898 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 2: we'll know I do a lot of product collaborations, and 899 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 2: I do a lot of fun things throughout the year 900 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 2: just to kind of keep it interesting and a good 901 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 2: way for me to connect with my audience in a 902 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 2: tangible way. So stay tuned because I definitely have some 903 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 2: fun things coming out this year. So I love it. 904 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: Make sure you're following her Instagram and you'll see so 905 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,760 Speaker 1: many cute stories and photos of Kupra you'll dot. 906 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 2: Yes, oh my gosh, yeah, just go to her and 907 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 2: get me. 908 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: I love it, all right, Thank you so much. I 909 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: would talk to you later, all right, Thank you, hie bye. 910 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening into this week's episode. If 911 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: you love to Riz and Kunka and you're craving more community, 912 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: I have got you, girlfriend. 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