1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Well, as we know, from the first of September this year, 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government is running the twelve month trial 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: allowing eligible members of the public to purchase, possess, carry, 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: and use OC spray for self defense. Now to be eligible, well, 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: you've got to you can only purchase I don't know 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: how many canisters you can purchase. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: We'll see if we. 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Can find out more about that. But you've got to 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: be eighteen years of age or over. You've got to 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: present a valid photo ID at the time of purchase 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: and complete a buyer declaration that you've got no relevant 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: criminal history, police or court orders, and only purchase in 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: store from participating firearms dealers in the Northern Territory. Now 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: joining me on the line is one of the business 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: owners who is going to be licensed to sell the 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: OC spray rod and rifle. Owner in Catherine Trent to 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: with good morning to your Trent. 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie. 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: How are your mate? How's Catherine this morning? 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: Oh? We're talking along. She's freezing down here. I tell 21 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: you it's cold please today. 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're about about twenty three mate, and cold this 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: morning at at a low of eighteen I believe it 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: was not as cold as. 25 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: You guys this morning. It was absolutely magic and it's 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: hopefully the last little stint I think we're going to 27 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: have with the dry season. 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is, so we better all lap 29 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: it up now, Trent. The news obviously that the OC 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: Spray is rolling out from September one. 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: You know, some media outlets are saying that people are 32 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: opposed to it. I'm hearing a lot. 33 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Of positive feedback for it in terms of people wanting 34 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: to actually go and purchase a canister of OC spray. 35 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: What's the word on the street in Catherine, how people 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: feeling about it. 37 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: It probably depends on what media you listen to too, Katie. 38 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: There's some people that seem to have different agendas about things. 39 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: But look, look overall, for us, it's been quite surprising 40 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: the phone calls and just the install inquiries in regards 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: to whether or not it's available yet, and when it's 42 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: going to be available, what it's going to look like, 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: how much it's going to be. There's been a lot 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: of questions around that and we haven't actually had the 45 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: answers until the last sort of previous week. We've finally 46 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: got a bit of information flowing as they've got the 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: documents out to us. 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so in terms of you know, things like 49 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: whether you're you know, whether you're expecting quite an influx 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: of people to come in and purchase O see spray, 51 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean much interest from that perspective, and are you 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: planning as such. 53 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been surprising, a lot of phone calls, as 54 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: I said, and a lot of people in store curious 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: about it. It's funny though, because retail is a funny 56 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: one where you'll get a lot of interest in it, 57 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: but it depends whether or not they actually commit to 58 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: doing what they asking about. But overall, we think it's 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: going to be quite a popular product. And the good 60 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: thing about it, Katie is if you don't want to 61 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: buy it, it doesn't matter. It's there as a tool 62 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: if you want it. But at least you know that 63 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: if you want to grab it, well, I know where 64 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: I can get it. And hopefully, you know, the nine 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: stores are going to be sellers of it. We'll have 66 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: it in stock for you and we're planning to have 67 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: a couple of hundred of the two sizes available on 68 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: the first of September. 69 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are the requirements from your perspective when 70 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: someone comes in and they're wanting to buy the spray. 71 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: So as what we've been told from the government was 72 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: they didn't want to put the onus on the dealer 73 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: doing it, so the onus is on the person buying it. 74 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: So they need to do the self declaration, and they 75 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: need to be over eighteen and they need to have 76 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: a valid ID with them. So anything that goes in 77 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: that declaration is up to them. There's no tick or 78 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: cross at the end of it. But what's happening is 79 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: in the background that declaration is being monitored by a 80 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: team of people on the OC spray you know, little 81 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: task force thing whatever they've put together, and they're going 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: to be able to determine in the background that this 83 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: person shouldn't have bought that we're going to go and 84 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: pay them a visit. 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: Right, So there is a. 86 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: Declaration, there is a follow up, and it's a self declaration. 87 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: So if you tick know that you don't have any 88 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: criminal history, and then that straightaway presents a red flag, 89 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: well you're probably going to get a knock on the 90 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: door in the following day. 91 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 92 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Hey, in terms of the process, So what people are 93 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: having to do when they come in. 94 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: To purchase O sea spray. 95 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: How does it differ when someone say, buys a knife 96 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 1: or a gun to go hunting. 97 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: So two different categories between the knife and the gun. 98 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: So the gun is a heavily controlled one where paperwork's 99 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: done at the police station beforehand it goes to a 100 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: team of people who approve whether or not you can 101 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: collect that firearm. There is a month waiting between doing 102 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: the paperwork and picking up a firearm, a knife, a machete, 103 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: a crossbow, a bow and arrow. There is nothing there's 104 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: not even a self declaration. 105 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: Form you're joking. 106 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: No, And this is the funny thing about the outrage 107 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: of the OC spray is there is no declaration for 108 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: anything else. Yeah, I mean, what do you think is 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: going to be worse, Katie if you're confronted in the 110 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: nighttime by cannavo seats frae or a machete or a knife. 111 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is and. 112 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it's been been a bit of a 113 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: funny one watching the backlash from it, as well as 114 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: the positive side to it as well. Yeah. But yeah, 115 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: it's an interesting thing that you know, we as a store, 116 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: like personally, you know, my staff and myself, we make 117 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: a judgment call at the time. It's not really up 118 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: to us to do that. But it's my town, it's 119 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: where I live. So if somebody comes in and wants 120 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: to buy a machete, well we're going to sort of 121 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: just have a bit of a look. We're going to 122 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: get an ID, we're going to photo copy it, and 123 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: we're going to keep it. And it's just that's enough 124 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: of a deterrent to turn people away pretty quickly. 125 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you're spot on, Like I know, 126 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: even the boys at Fishing an Outdoor World and other 127 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: locations around the place, Like I'm sure you know whether 128 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: you're at you know, really at most locations that are 129 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: owned by Territorians, or most businesses that are owned by Territorians, 130 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: like you've said there. 131 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: You know, you live in this place. 132 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you know that you're 133 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: not getting something in the hands of the wrong person. 134 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: So most people I think. 135 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: Are quite responsible when it comes to those sales. 136 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: Yes, they've got roots in the ground and families going 137 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: to the local schools and the local footy ovals and 138 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. Well they're going to be 139 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: pretty careful on what they're selling, the amount they're selling 140 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: it and who they're selling it to. So yeah, that's 141 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: sort of you know, without the owners being put on us. 142 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: It's what it is. At the same time, you know, 143 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 3: you take that responsibility on yourself. 144 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: I believe, hey, in terms of how much it's going 145 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: to retail for any idea yet how much it is 146 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: going to cost, I don't. 147 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: Have confirmed numbers, but basically what I sort of ascertain 148 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: in WA a ten. So we're allowed in the ordinary 149 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: to sell two sizes, a ten gram can and a 150 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: forty five gram can. They're the biggest we can do. 151 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: And the ten gram can, if you can imagine, would 152 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: fit in the palm of your hand quite comfortably and 153 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: it would probably not stick past your fingers. It's just 154 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: a very can that's going to be about fifty bucks, 155 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: and the forty five grand can is going to be 156 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: about sixty bucks. 157 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Now, in terms of how many canisters you can buy 158 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: at a time, or how many little spray bottles you 159 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: can buy at a time, are there any limitations or 160 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: what are you guys, how are you. 161 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: Guys going to do? 162 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: In chatting with the police, there wasn't actually a limitation 163 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: put on it, but we just think in our area 164 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: we're just going to say, look, it's one per person, 165 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: and yeah, just to go easy at the start because 166 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: we obviously, like I said, we don't need it flooding 167 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: the streets. We just want to judge slowly how it goes. 168 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: And the trial is going to be good on that. 169 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: Get the feedback into the town and see what's happening 170 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: with it. And I suppose just some information on the 171 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: spray as well. It's the smaller can that is ten 172 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: grand I think I read it can go it's two 173 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: and a half meters, yeah, two meters for two point 174 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: five seconds. Yeah. And the forty five grand can I 175 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: think it's five meters for about five seconds. 176 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: So it's not like you you know you're going to 177 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: be able to go around and spray ten different people 178 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: with your OC spray. It's literally like it's an emergency 179 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of you know, a button to push. 180 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not even the fact that you may 181 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: have to deploy it. It's the fact that if you 182 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: feel unsafe and somebody maybe is coming towards you, you 183 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: can say, hey, look i've got OC spray back off, yeah. 184 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: Or the other side of it is I run a 185 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: lot and I get chased by dogs all the bloody times. Yeah, 186 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: and if I ever feel, you know, yeah, if I 187 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: ever feel that one of them is undone and one 188 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: of them is actually going to have a crack, well, 189 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: it's not just forection from people, you know. Animals are 190 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: a good one. And my wife won't run in a 191 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: certain area of town purely because of the dogs that 192 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: are Yep. 193 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: No, it's a fair point, one which I hadn't even 194 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: thought of, but a very fair point. Hey, Trent, I 195 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: know that you're not an expert when it comes to 196 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: OC spray, but we're keen to ask if there's lots 197 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: of people asking lots of questions, any idea, whether it's 198 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: got like an ex spiry date, is it does it 199 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: last only a certain period of time? 200 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: The manufacturer recommendations that I looked on it said twelve 201 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: months is a recommended It doesn't actually haven't explored it, 202 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: just said twelve months was recommended. And then also once 203 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: you do deploy it, it's twelve months basically from that 204 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: point on as well. Yeah, so you know, because it 205 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: can I did do some reading and you can actually 206 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: spray it once and then spray it again, but obviously 207 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: you won't know how much is left in it, but 208 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: at the same time, after twelve months you should toss 209 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: it and get a new one. 210 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Trent, I think it's really interesting. 211 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: It sounds as though you've got a lot more detail, 212 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how it's going to roll 213 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: out from a retailer perspective. We've certainly got more detail 214 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: as well now when you talk about the rollout from 215 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: a consumer perspective, and as you rightly pointed out, you know, 216 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: not everyone's going to choose to go out and get some, 217 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: But it is more about giving people that option if 218 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you are you know, like you or I or your 219 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: wife who go running all the time and you are 220 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: concerned about your safety if you're running early in the 221 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: morning or later in the evening. It's not as if 222 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: you're planning on going and using it, but if you 223 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: are in a situation that's very dangerous, it gives you 224 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: that option, it does. 225 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: It's just another tool there for you that you may 226 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: not have had that with you when you're running. Because 227 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: what other option did we have as runners to do anything? 228 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: Not not just runners? It's all I mean, we keep 229 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: bringing up runners, but overall, what other options do you 230 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: have apart from walking around. A stick can be used 231 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: against you just as well. 232 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Spray can be absolutely and as you've pointed out, which 233 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: I think is really interesting is even when you're then 234 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: looking at purchasing a knife or you know, or a 235 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: gun or not a gun sorry, or you know, a bowl. 236 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: And arrow or I can't think of the correct words. 237 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: Mate. 238 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: Clearly I'm not a hunter. 239 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: But you know, but these different processes and in some 240 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: cases not quite as stringent. But you know, you sort 241 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: of think to yourself, like literally, there's a lot of 242 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: other things that can be you used as weapons as well, 243 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: even a basic kitchen knife. 244 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: You grab them from a supermarket, you know, and there's 245 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: no stringent check out protocols with that stuff. So yeah, look, 246 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: I think I'm not fore and against the whole thing. 247 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: I'm curious to see how it goes, but I'm excited 248 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: for the people who are who in their minds, are 249 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: going to feel safer by carrying this product. Yeah, and 250 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: if they need to deploy it, well, yeah, it's there, 251 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: whether it's a dog or a person. 252 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: Yep. 253 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: Well, Trent, I'll tell you I reckon. 254 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: We'll probably catch up with you on the first of 255 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: September two, mate, to find out how it's going, whether 256 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: the sales, whether it's being run off the. 257 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: Off the floor or not. 258 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: Hopefully we've got enough. 259 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thanks so much for having a 260 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: chat with us this morning.