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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington. Good morning to your minister, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, and good morning to the listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, there's been quite a few topics come up

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Speaker 1: we spoke about the hydro therapy poul at Palmerston Regional Hospital. Now, Minister,

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Speaker 1: Can you explain why that decision was made and was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, there's been ongoing consultation, but I want to

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Speaker 1: So how come it's the situation with the likes of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the question needs to be checked

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Speaker 3: So the only thing so that's not a new requirement.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's the only thing that changed was temporarily

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Speaker 1: So from what you're saying to me right now, for

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Speaker 2: That's been the rules that have been in place. As

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Speaker 2: It's there for specific users that need to use that

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Speaker 2: Situation issues around ramping And I don't have the full

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that a standstill is what we've heard.

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Speaker 1: What about the maternity services you'd put in a request

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Speaker 2: Look we're committed to ensuring that there are further choices

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Speaker 2: Yes, we've provided all of those details and those negotiations.

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Speaker 2: work is still underway at a federal level, so the

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Speaker 2: receivers are working with the proponents that have made submissions

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Speaker 2: about buying private hospitals right around the country. But of course,

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Speaker 2: what we want to see and what we have been

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Speaker 2: advocating for, is that if there is a new provider,

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Speaker 2: a new purchaser of the dah And private hospital, what

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Speaker 2: we are strongly advocating for is that maternity be part

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Speaker 2: of that service.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, look we'll talk more about that at another

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Speaker 1: time really quickly, because we're both fast running out of time.

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Speaker 1: On housing, I know you've got the housing portfolio. We

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Speaker 1: are regularly contacted by people living next door to problem

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Speaker 1: public housing tenants. Now I thought that the government were

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Speaker 1: going to be making some announcements around housing when it

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Speaker 1: comes to dealing with problem tenants. Where are things at,

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Speaker 1: when's that going to be happening.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, what we have been doing is that there's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of work going on within the department

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Speaker 2: that since I made someone now that we were tightening

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Speaker 2: up on a whole range of issues and looking at

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Speaker 2: the policy changes. So look, just since March when we

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Speaker 2: made the announcement, there's been eight tenancies that have been terminated.

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Speaker 2: There's currently seventeen matters KD before the Northern Territory Civil

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Speaker 2: and Administrative Tribe Unit, which we know is anti KAT

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Speaker 2: so at the same time, we've also made a number

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Speaker 2: of unit complexes right around the Northern Territory. We've made

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Speaker 2: them alcohol restricted areas, so all of the common areas

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Speaker 2: now in these public large unit complexes are now alcohol

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Speaker 2: restricted areas. But at the same time, we have been

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Speaker 2: working very closely with the police and recently we announced

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Speaker 2: the Police Public Housing Police Public Safety Offices will be

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Speaker 2: introduced later this year. So this is all part of

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Speaker 2: the process and part of our plan to reduce anti

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Speaker 2: social behavior and crime in and around public housing here

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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Minister, we might have to get you on another day

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Speaker 1: about housing because ex lines blown up, but I know

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Speaker 1: you've got to go and I've got my next guest on.

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Speaker 3: The hold, so we'll have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning, Minister

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Speaker 1: for Health and Housing, Kristin Veedgington, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Codin. We will catch up again soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks so much.