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Speaker 1: everything about spinal energetics with doctor Sarah Jane. Essentially, what

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Speaker 1: So I just know you guys will absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: And after you've finished, make sure you check out doctor Sarah.

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Speaker 1: She's just incredible. Doctor Sarah, Welcome to the Rise and

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Speaker 2: were meant to go through these things. But you can

431
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Speaker 2: still have a beautiful life.

432
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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, yeah, well that's even like the stuff

433
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Speaker 1: with like my thyroid. Now looking back, I was really

434
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Speaker 1: kind of living a life that wasn't sustainable, you know,

435
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: the quarters, all the stress. Like a lot of people

436
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: will look at my journey and be like, oh my god,

437
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: how how did you do so much when you're so young,

438
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I developed an That's how I do.

439
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

440
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: That makes sense?

441
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes complete sense.

442
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm not shocked now I did because you were

443
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: running at a point of this drata isn't sustainable.

444
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: And I was like that for so long that I

445
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: didn't know how to run it any other capacity. And

446
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: consciously it was like, oh, I even remember I used

447
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: to go to numerous practitioners and they'd be like, you

448
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: just need a stress less and you just need to

449
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: like relax, And I used to be like, it doesn't

450
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: matter how much I know. I'm like, this is the

451
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: most unhelpful thing I've ever experienced, And yet it wasn't

452
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: until I worked with the subconscious that I was able.

453
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: So all that was protection skills strategies that I had

454
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: learned that worked really well to get me certain things

455
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: in life.

456
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: In the Western world, it work, yes, to be successful.

457
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: No, yeah, none of them. Not not my poor body.

458
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: And I had to unlearn it, and I had to

459
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: again kind of talk to my body and be like,

460
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: would just be like, it's okay, we don't have to

461
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: always prove ourselves. We don't have to constantly succeed to

462
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: be worthy, and like all these kind of wounds I

463
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: had to work through.

464
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: So true. And you said something really important, which was

465
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: when you weren't in alignment. So when you weren't listening,

466
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: when you weren't in alignment, that's when there's more friction

467
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: and more chaos. And like I was saying to you before,

468
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you live necessarily a quiet life now,

469
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: but it's a definitely more aligned life, which is why

470
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: you don't get fatigued working at this level because it matches.

471
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: But it's when there's friction there that you won't have

472
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: as much to work with the body. The body is

473
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: telling you again, okay, something's not right. Here, and especially

474
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Speaker 2: with autoimmune diseases, you know, the body is not meant

475
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: to attack itself for lack of better words. With that,

476
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: the body is literally confuse and turns on itself to

477
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Speaker 2: get your attention. And that usually comes from other things

478
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, you're very aware mentally, so the

479
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: awareness isn't enough. No, you know a lot of people

480
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: that come to me are very intelligent, highly intelligent people

481
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: who know all this, like even this conversation. Yet I

482
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 2: know that I know I should stress less, but again

483
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: that's not actually solving you know what the experience is

484
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: for that individual telling someone that.

485
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Speaker 1: No at all. Yeah, well it's actually very interesting because, yeah,

486
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: Cooper came into my office the other day and obviously

487
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: he was dealing with whatever he was going through, but

488
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes, You're so relaxed, were spicy, Georgie,

489
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: And you know, he's talking about something in business and

490
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: he wants to like go to the next level and whatnot,

491
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just I'm not stressed about it,

492
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: Like I I know I will get there, like I'm

493
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Speaker 1: not stressed. And you can tell he was getting worked

494
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: up and probably going into old strategies and I just

495
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: was like Cooper, it's fine, and he's like, I don't

496
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: like this, Georgie, but you.

497
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: Won't letting him play out the story. No, I wasn't

498
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: wanted to.

499
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Speaker 1: I know, I wasn't letting hm him playing to the

500
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: pattern we usually play.

501
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: In tea and especially as siblings, Like there would be

502
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: a pattern there that you both could have jumped on

503
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: the train for. So you were annoying him in that regard.

504
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: But I like that. But you've also developed enough in

505
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: a resilience now and knowing that things always work out, yes,

506
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: and stressing about it, you actually can't think clear. Like

507
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: when you're stressed, you're reacting instead of actually you know,

508
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: taking a moment to actually respond in a clear way,

509
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: in an appropriate way.

510
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: So, well, like my big mission kind of right now

511
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: is like I have kind of proved to myself that

512
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: I can do really incredible things at very fast paced

513
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: and you know, all the things. But I'm like, okay,

514
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: so my next mission is like I can do all that,

515
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: but not in these Yeah, not in the high cortisol,

516
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: in the hustle, in that masculine energy. And so my

517
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: whole journey at the moment is like very stepping into

518
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: the feminine, healing that and then showing people it's like, well,

519
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: you can do it this way too. I've experienced that way.

520
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: It's just I developed a lot of issues.

521
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: I think it's really goodful that you're touching on that

522
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 2: because for me as as a female entrepreneur as well,

523
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: I've had to be quite masculine to gain success in

524
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: a certain way as well. And I'm really at a

525
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 2: point now too where i'm just you know, I'm in

526
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: the flow of things as well, Like even coming up here,

527
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: this is the last minute kind of trip, but I

528
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I'll bring Pepper and Katy, you'll look

529
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: after it. Whereas before, if we got lost, for example,

530
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: before if that had to happen before we were gone,

531
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: where are we going, We're gonna be last at an

532
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: Whereas it's more enjoyable when it's not so stressful.

533
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: I can feel your energy and it's very much even

534
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: matching like what I'm trying to embody, and it's so

535
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: nice to be around. And I think about before and

536
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: the energy I would have been in, and it's like

537
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: it would have been very intense for other people. Oh

538
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: you don't work for me though, Georgie said, don't get

539
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: me wrong, like Sarah, you don't want any.

540
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: Georgie and I are both difficult to work with. But

541
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: that's okay, that's a whole nother podcast difficult. We just

542
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: we've got.

543
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: Sarah literally goes to my session. You're quite difficult to

544
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: work for. You have very high expectations and you want

545
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: everyone to do it like you. And I was like,

546
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's so right.

547
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: It takes one to know one, so I understand. But yeah, like.

548
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: Girls laugh when they listen to this podcast, they'll be like,

549
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's actually you know.

550
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: I think it's you wouldn't be where you are if

551
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: you didn't have those standards. So I get it. But

552
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: then it comes a point where you have to grow,

553
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: you have to evolve, and you have to bring people

554
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: in and you have to let go of things being perfect. Yeah,

555
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: and I think, yeah, every person that owns a business

556
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: gets to that point where they're like, Okay, I can't

557
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: literally do everything myself and.

558
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: Don't have the capacity. Yeah, no, I want to kind

559
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: of talk to you a little bit more about For example,

560
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: I also has been diagnosed so like p so o,

561
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: ass is this something that you have worked with with

562
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: clients and maybe also like you rually spoke about the

563
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: other one buts and like endometriosis.

564
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, So for me, anything that's inflammatory in the

565
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: system is something I'm interested in. You did say its

566
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: very say you had inflammas yea perfect, that's just a

567
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: tendency to inflame. Yeah, that doesn't shock me. Knowing your

568
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: nature and knowing the way that you know your life

569
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: is and also what you've gone through in your life.

570
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: Inflammation is you know, related to grief and sadness as

571
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: well as uh, you know, just constant pushing, pushing, pushing.

572
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: So I have a really large interest in any kind

573
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: of inflammatory disease because anything that ends in itis, for example,

574
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: is known as inflammatory.

575
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, why is this person so inflamed?

576
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Like why can I sorry? Just to be specifically, what

577
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: is inflame to mean?

578
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: It basically just means that the body is having a

579
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: hyper response to something. There's a lot of like rheumatoid arthritis,

580
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: for example, is an inflammatory disease, and Jimmy triosis and

581
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: things like that. There's things going on in the lining

582
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: and there has to be some kind of emotional component

583
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: because why do some people have it and some people don't.

584
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: The other interesting part is, you know you can get

585
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, surgery and things like that, and then it

586
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: grows back, you know, So why is it growing back?

587
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: Things like crisis that have a large interest in exma,

588
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: even like gluten intolerance and things like that, even like

589
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: inflammatory bow disease IBS, things like that, gut syndromes where

590
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: there's no real reason what's going on. We can't find anything.

591
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: You just have an irritated gut. So anythink you eat,

592
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: you have to go on this diet for the rest

593
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: of your life. A lot of that. No one's been

594
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: asked again about their emotions, what they've gone through in

595
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: their life, what's been passed through their families. For example,

596
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: has there been sexual trauma in the family, has there

597
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: been emotional trauma in the family. What's happened in your

598
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: life that the body has decided that that era is

599
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: the area it could be matched with any disease. But

600
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: I have a special interest in inflammatory conditions and especially

601
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: autoimmune So like in my family, my mum is currently

602
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: in care from a really rare brain disease called adem

603
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: which is a cute demylination kephemyelitis, which is a bit

604
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: of a big mouthful, but it's basically an autoimmune condition

605
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: and an instantaneous MS. She was sixty eight when it happened, healthy, happy,

606
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: in the next minute was in a coma and she's

607
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: now brain damage as a result of this really rare disease.

608
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: I had MS in my family, I had Parkinson's in

609
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: my family. I had M and D in my family.

610
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: So there was also an extensive amount of trauma in

611
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: my mum's family, and so for me, it was like, well,

612
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: and they didn't work on it either. But you know,

613
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: that wasn't something my mum ever really spoke about or did.

614
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: I never remember my mum doing any of the things

615
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: that we are doing. So for me, I wanted to

616
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: I didn't want that to happen to me. And I

617
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: do believe that we have impact. What we do in

618
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: this life does have impact, working with our emotions and

619
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: what we've gone through. If we don't, it will catch

620
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: up with us later. And you know, we are all

621
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: designed to eventually leave this planet. That's okay, But I

622
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: think there's things that we can do that aren't necessarily

623
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, genetic in the line, but nurtured through the line.

624
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so someone does have, like you said, in inflammatory Yeah, case,

625
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: what's your sort of recommendations? What are the steps? Yeah,

626
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: well you know, my lawyer, what do we do?

627
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. There's no point having the information

628
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: without knowing what to do with it.

629
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

630
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: So the reason I love spinal energetics is that it

631
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: changes the nervous system response. So it takes you out

632
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: of that sympathetic state, which is that cartersol driven state,

633
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: that fight or flight state, and into a parasympathetic state.

634
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: So you can't have that kind of you can.

635
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Rest and recover. Yeah, yeah, okay.

636
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: So you can't have that kind of inflammation going on

637
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: if you are in your parasympathetic state at times. You

638
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: can only be in one at a moment in time

639
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: as well, so if you're stressed, you're not in parasympathetic,

640
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: you can only be in one.

641
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: So the way that I've heard someone explain this to me,

642
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: which was really helpful, was he was saying, like, you know,

643
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: if you've had a lot of traumas and certain coping,

644
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: then you implant coping mechanisms and like whatnot. And he

645
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: explained it like it feels like there's seventeen tigers around you,

646
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: and like you know, in the wild, we see a tiger,

647
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: we're stressed. And so unless you're resolving these traumas and

648
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: working through them, you're constantly going to be in a

649
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: state of survival. So if a tiger is chasing you,

650
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: you're not digesting food, you're not healing, you're not resting.

651
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: And so that just made so much sense to me.

652
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: And so his whole thing is like he was like,

653
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: so we need to reduce the tigers and then you

654
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: will be in a state. And he's like, you're you know,

655
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Hashimotos will heal itself because your body knows how to

656
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: do it, It created it, it knows how to resolve it.

657
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: But you need to be in an environment where you're

658
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: not in survival, you're not stress rest all the time.

659
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: And like you said, for me, consciously, I know all

660
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: the things. And it's like if you consciously said that

661
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: to me, I'm like cool, But it's.

662
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: How do I yea feel that? How do I embody that?

663
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: How do I embody? And that's why you're saying, like

664
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: we need to work with an energetic field because it's

665
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: not a conscious talk therapy situation.

666
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: No, no, Otherwise, you know, you could do thirty talk

667
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: therapy sessions about the tigers, and it's not especially for you.

668
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: It's not going to change your physiology. So Peter Levine,

669
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: he's a Semitic therapist, and he spoke a lot about this.

670
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: He has a book called Waking the Tiger. Yeah, it's

671
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: really really interesting. What I see a lot is exactly

672
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: what you know, You're other practitioner was saying. But and

673
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: emails the tiger instead, or you know, not getting a

674
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 2: cart spots the tiger instead, or your partner not being

675
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: twenty minutes late is the tiger instead. It's an accumulation,

676
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: So we don't respond in a way that's necessarily relatable

677
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: to that one event. All of a sudden, it's it's

678
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: an accumulation of every other thing that's ever gone wrong,

679
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: and you explode at that point. And that's just because

680
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: we're in this constant, constant stress state. And the Western

681
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: world praises people in that state. What we deem successful.

682
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know how to do in

683
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: a state of flow. So you can get all these

684
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: amazing things and not necessarily have to grind yourself like

685
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: to death to do it. It doesn't mean that it's simple.

686
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: It's not. You still have to work hard. I do

687
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: believe that, but not to the point where you're going

688
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: to have to hurt yourself to get it, or you know,

689
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: experience pain. Like what's the point of having everything if

690
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: you wake up every day in pain? Like your health

691
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: is is everything? Yeah, unfortunately we are all pretty stressed

692
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: in the in the West. If you go to somewhere

693
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: like you know, so I love traveling because you learn

694
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: so much from different cultures. But if you go somewhere

695
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: like you know, Southeast Asia or India or whatever, they're

696
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: they're happy people, even amongst the chaos. I remember seeing,

697
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, Buddhists and being like, why are they so happy?

698
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: And we're so miserable And they're not having that friction

699
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: against life as much as we are. That's that's what

700
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: got me interested in this work. Like, you know, you

701
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: have to have your own trauma story to be interested

702
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: into this work. So obviously that's where it's come from.

703
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: But who are you without identifying with it? And who

704
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: do you want to be because of it? And despite

705
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: of it? And I like to help people return back

706
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: to their true self instead of being this hijacked version

707
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: of them and what's happened to them?

708
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: And so when you work with someone, obviously you do

709
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: one on one sessions and do you also do oh

710
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: you don't do just for me? I do feel very

711
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: so thank you. Obviously you work with people and you

712
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: teach them this work. Yeah, what's the kind of you know,

713
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: like process of how you work with people.

714
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: That's how it all started. I started in clinic and

715
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: for example, you know, rubbing out a sow muscle. I

716
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: would come back next week. So I wasn't working with

717
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: the intelligence. I was almost trying to override the intelligence

718
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: by smoothing it out, telling it what to do, and

719
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: then the next week would be back. Or I would

720
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: work on, say like a tension pattern in the neck,

721
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: and I would go just work on the neck, thinking

722
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: if I wanted to help someone's neck, I had to

723
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: work purely on their neck. They felt good for three days,

724
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: four days, next minute it's back again. So why is

725
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: it coming back Because we're not working with the actual

726
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: intelligence that created that tension. So once I started working

727
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: with energy and in the field, people weren't experiencing these

728
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: symptoms coming back again straight away. Like if anything like

729
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: maybe once a year, and then when we worked at

730
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: that again, it moved and shifted so much quicker again,

731
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: because you're working with the actual part of you that

732
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: created it, rather than trying to fight it, do you

733
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, And we work in the

734
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: areas of ease. So let's say, for example, your right

735
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: neck is super tight. Just as an example. What we

736
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: do is we look for the areas that are working well.

737
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: We then work more with those, and then that shares

738
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: that richness to the other areas that are more energy poor,

739
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: for example, like the Robin hoods of of energy. Like,

740
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: here's richness, we can send that to the area of

741
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: that's not working as well. Again, that even changes the

742
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: perspective of the client, like instead of thinking what's wrong

743
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: with them? And how do I fix it? How can

744
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: I listen to the body and communicate it and work

745
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: with the intelligence to have this person feel safer and

746
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: more loved as a person. That's our main goal. Yeah, Like,

747
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: if I'm looking at what's wrong with you?

748
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you?

749
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very different lens. We have that enough,

750
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: you know. And so my goal isn't to fix anyone.

751
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't believe anyone needs to be fixed. I believe,

752
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: like for example, with your thyroid, Yes, that's communication, but

753
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: if we didn't listen to it, you might have kept

754
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: living life that way.

755
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it was completely out of the linement.

756
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's bring you back into that and not

757
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: just through conscious words, but through actual experiential feeling of

758
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: feeling who you really are and feeling like what is

759
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: you and what isn't you? So then you can you know,

760
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: flow far more easier of even decision making. No, that

761
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: is a line with me though, That isn't who are

762
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: you as a person. It's like everything that really matters

763
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: you feel it on the table, almost like a really

764
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: good meditation or you know sometimes even you know people

765
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: are really into yoga, they get this sense of connecting

766
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: with themselves and the bigger picture and all that noise

767
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: gets not so loud.

768
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: Someone asked me the other day, like, what's like a

769
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: really peaceful moment you've had recently? And straight away I thought, oh,

770
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: six months ago when I did a yin yoga class.

771
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: It's like I've never felt so And then I was like,

772
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was six months ago. What am

773
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: I doing?

774
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: Why?

775
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: And this is sorry, this is a random question, why

776
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: do you think we because a lot of us we

777
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: for example, someone like me, who has access to people

778
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: like you, who does have resources, who does have time

779
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: and money. Why do you think we don't gravitate towards

780
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: the things that can distress us, that can help our body,

781
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: that can talk to our intelligence, and it takes to

782
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: the point of us getting sick to then go and

783
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: figure out and go on this big journey like why

784
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: do you think we don't go, Oh, well, I'm just

785
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: going to do a yin class weekly.

786
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: Very good question for me. Change is hard, so we

787
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: may not want to change. Yeah, Number one, so a

788
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: lot of us don't change until we have to. Number two,

789
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: we don't really want to listen to what the body

790
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: has to say. We might tell us something we don't

791
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: really want to hear, so we avoid that moment and

792
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: that quiet time with ourselves and having to listen to

793
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: We might have to make some decisions we don't want

794
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 2: to make, or you know, there might have to be

795
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: some changes made. So I think that they're kind of

796
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: a lot of the reasons. Another reason might be self

797
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: sabotage or you know, I don't deserve to feel like

798
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: that I don't deserve to feel peaceful. I only know

799
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: this feeling of being stressed all the time. So it

800
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: can be, you know, just being familiar with an environment

801
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: that feels.

802
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: Stressful creatures of comfort, aren't we Well.

803
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll always choose, you know, what feels familiar rather

804
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: than even what's best for us. You know, there's a

805
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: study done makes me say, because I love dogs, but

806
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: there was a study done on doggies where they're in

807
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: a cage and they would get electrocuted every time they

808
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: tried to leave the cage. And then they just left

809
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: the doors open and they no longer electrocuted them, and

810
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: not one dog left. I know, you don't have to

811
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: put this in. I love animals, by the way, so

812
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: it makes me really sad too. Would never get past

813
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: these days. But what we can learn from that is

814
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: we're not really much different. We're in these cages of

815
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: these expectations of what society says we should be, shouldn't

816
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: be what our chraunmeries can be that you know, that

817
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: electrocution and then when we have the chance to free

818
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: ourselves from it, even though that's something we deeply deeply

819
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: want and yearn for, the safety the survival still can

820
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: be larger, and that is not a world I want

821
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: to live in. I want to live in with people

822
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: who who have managed to have that courage to step

823
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: out even when it hurts.

824
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: There's a really great quote that sums that up, and

825
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: it's like, you'll always pick a familiar hell over an

826
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: unfamiliar heaven. Hmm. That's what we're kind of trained to do.

827
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: And again, it's not a conscious choice. No one would

828
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: consciously want to stay in the cage.

829
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: No, and that's why we need to work with a subconscious.

830
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, and that's why we get such you

831
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: know amazing. You know, people once they have a session,

832
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: they tell everyone about it. And the reason they tell

833
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: everyone about it is because there's a certain like wanting

834
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: to share this gift with people, the of being able

835
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: to connect back to yourself. But again, people like you

836
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: were saying about the inn, sometimes avoid trying this because

837
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: it's like, well, I don't know what could come up,

838
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what I might feel. There's a reason

839
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: there's this feeling of oh, because you know, what will

840
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: what will I have to do?

841
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I have a friend who has had someone really close

842
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: to them pass away. You know, a couple of years ago,

843
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: and they are very intelligent, they're very spiritual, but they

844
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: said it's like too hard. I can't go to it

845
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: and process it. It's like I know I should, and

846
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: I know it's what I need to do, but it's

847
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: like the thought of it, like it's too crippling. Hearing

848
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: that breaks my heart because you know, this person's even

849
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: conscious and they like it's too hard. So you can

850
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: imagine someone who isn't aware of this work, who's not

851
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: very conscious the sort of patterns and the sort of

852
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: health issues that would be happening because they refuse to,

853
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, work through that trauma.

854
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: And grief is hard. You know, grief is like, out

855
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: of everything I've ever experienced, grief has been the hardest

856
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: thing I've experienced. But what we can do with spinal

857
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: which is what I love about it as well, is yes,

858
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: we're working with the experiences, but it doesn't come up

859
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: while you're on the table, so you won't get specific

860
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: things about like you know what your trauma is specifically

861
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: as such, you'll just feel this ease in your body

862
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: or this movement in your body, so it's not rehashing

863
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: trauma as such.

864
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have any specific trauma came up, Like,

865
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: there was a lot of thoughts and feelings, and I

866
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: felt like I went through a lot of waves of

867
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: like really fast thoughts and then like a letdown and

868
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: then fast.

869
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: Thoughts should feel kind of like yeah, a ride.

870
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I felt through your emotional states

871
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: and through states of consciousness.

872
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: But I understand why people find it challenging. But then

873
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: you know what's more challenging living a life like that

874
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: in pain forever. And grief is such a beautiful thing too,

875
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: Like it means you love someone you know, and you're

876
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: not going to get to that straight away, and maybe

877
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: she's just not ready yet.

878
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah you know.

879
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I mean, every day I miss a lot

880
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: of things, but it's also because they meant something to me.

881
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: Some people don't get to have.

882
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: That on the scale of emotions. If you can feel

883
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: the depths of grief and sadness and disappointment, it's because

884
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: you can also feel the highs, And it's like, what

885
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing, because without feeling this, you're never going

886
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: to feel that, And what a sad life to just

887
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: stay in the middle and feel nothing. Yeah, Oh that's

888
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: why you and I have such interesting experiences in life

889
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: though too.

890
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: They're very drastically over here to hear. But that's what

891
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: you said makes perfect sense. You can't have these amazingly

892
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: beautiful life experiences that are almost unheard of for most

893
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: people's life, Yeah, and then expect the other end of

894
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: the spectrum to not be in existence as well. It's

895
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: got to balance out somewhere. There's two sides to every coin,

896
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, and you wouldn't know the true beauty of

897
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: it if you hadn't known the true hell of it.

898
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: So that's why. Also, I think you're calmer and got

899
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: more resilience because you're just like, well, I've been there,

900
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: I've got myself out of the worst of the worst,

901
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: so I can do it again if I have to.

902
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: So there's a sense of calm which comes from that

903
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: learning about yourself. I know.

904
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Sarah Guys did say that I'm due for hard life.

905
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: So not a hard life, but two trict life, an

906
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: intricate life, And that's no, that's very much here. And

907
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: I think even though on my social media obviously a

908
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: lot of people would see the highlights, they would see

909
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: the life I live, what I've created, but what they

910
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: don't see is the depths that I've gone to in

911
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: order to be able to be someone that creates that.

912
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we don't tend to film that bit, no

913
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: people Ane is interested in watching that sometimes. But that's

914
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: why for me, like whenever I see someone living, you know,

915
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: something that I inspire to live by as well, I

916
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: just know that that didn't come easy for that person.

917
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: There's just you know, even overnight success doesn't exist, you.

918
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Know, it doesn't exist, does not not a thing, not

919
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: a thing.

920
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: For me, I find Australia culture quite different in that way.

921
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: You know, if you're really successful, it's it's an interesting

922
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 2: thing that shows up for people that you know, where

923
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: as opposed to say someone like America or that.

924
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: We have the tall poppies.

925
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah we really do, We really do. Yeah, because you're

926
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: from from born Australian and just the difference in attitude

927
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: is yeah, you know, it's wild. It is wild when

928
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: you really value and understand that, like how incredible that

929
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: someone can create that for themselves when like odds are

930
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: against them. Yeah, like be inspired by it.

931
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Yes, But also that's what I kind of talk to

932
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: people about when they do, you know, say like I'm

933
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: going through it's really bad hardship or you know, express

934
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: how you know, hurt their feelings. Something I say is,

935
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: you know every inspiring person that is, you know the

936
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: Tony Robbins that all those people their background, like you

937
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: hear about it and you're like, oh my god, that's

938
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: it's so much. And so I try and instilling them

939
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: that it's like, yes, this is hard at the moment,

940
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: but your mess is your message, and this is something

941
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: that you'll use and you will carry if you choose to.

942
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: So it's like, yes, we can go through these really

943
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: dark and hard times, but it is molding us into

944
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: the motion you know, credible best us, higher self us,

945
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: and how important because other ways we cannot become that

946
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: person without those experiences. Like if just everything went right,

947
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: you had no hardships or anything like that, you you

948
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't know how to relate to people, You wouldn't know

949
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: how to express yourself, you wouldn't know how to feel

950
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: it just it wouldn't Really That's why you see a

951
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: lot of you know, maybe like celebrity children who get

952
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: born into a certain sort of privilege who end up

953
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: like doing drugs and going off the rails because they

954
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: they're like, I want to feel something. They've never had

955
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: to struggle. They create their own struggle.

956
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't think of anything worse than being given

957
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: and absolutely everything and anything. That's why when people become famous,

958
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: for example, it's so challenging for them because it's like

959
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: they have access to anything and everything, and then what's

960
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: life about? Then? You know, that's why even celebrity culture

961
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: is not as easy as people.

962
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: Think it is not I would hate.

963
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: It's really weird how many people want to be absolutely

964
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: not but you're.

965
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: Not being able to go to the grocery store or

966
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: just they have really simple privacies.

967
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: I like that I've had a life that's shaped me

968
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: in that way. I think it's made me understand people more,

969
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: like you said, but not just from like the words

970
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: of it, but truly, like you can look at someone

971
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: and know when they've been through like real pain. And

972
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: that's why a lot of the time, like traditional you know,

973
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: therapy sessions may not work because the person's listening to you,

974
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: but you're like, you don't know what I'm talking about.

975
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: You've read this in a book, but you haven't experienced it.

976
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: So when someone has experienced it, there's a knowing between

977
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: the two and two people, there's an intelligence that goes,

978
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: this person has been to that place and pick themselves

979
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: back up again. You know, I probably wouldn't be in

980
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: this field of work and do well at it necessarily

981
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: if I hadn't had that experience. I couldn't imagine having

982
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: a perfect life and being able to work in this field. Yeah.

983
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: Even kind of what we spoke about off air, you

984
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: can see that that has all your hardships and everything

985
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: it has gone through has built this current.

986
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: Usually birthed it. You know, the hardest time of my

987
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: life burst it. I had to do something. It was

988
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: like all this stuff had happened and I had to

989
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: do something with it, and if I didn't do something

990
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: with it, it was just gonna overtew me. Yeah, Like I

991
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 2: was just so I had to do something and something

992
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: bigger than myself, you know, to help, because if it

993
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: was just about me, then that wouldn't be enough either.

994
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: And you've done that as well. People say like, oh,

995
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: this is your modality and things like that. I don't

996
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: necessarily believe that. I believe that I've that's something you

997
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: fostered out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And a lot of what

998
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: I talk about is not new, just a different way

999
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: of expressing it.

1000
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: You know, I do a lot of mindset work with

1001
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: my community, and you know, talk about manifestation and spiritual principles,

1002
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: and you know, people ask, oh, you know, should I

1003
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: do your course? Should I join you know, the community,

1004
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: And I kind of explained to them, I'm like, well,

1005
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: when you listen to me, does it activate you? Do

1006
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: you feel something? Because I'm going to be for certain

1007
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: people and I'll say something to someone and it will

1008
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: be AHA moment and it will be like life change.

1009
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: But there will be other people that there's nothing. And

1010
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: so I love that you said that because it's like

1011
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: there will be certain people with you that it's like

1012
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: life changing.

1013
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: This is it.

1014
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: This is the thing in saying that though you have

1015
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: literally created a movement, So do not doubt only movement.

1016
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, yes, tools too, Yes, don't downplay your incrediblen.

1017
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: What do you feel like is next for spinal energetics?

1018
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: You know what? I actually don't know. I've never been

1019
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: a planner. Scared this is scary?

1020
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: No, yeah, absolutely, I never planned this first place.

1021
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: So I kind of just go with what I feel.

1022
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: You know, if you had told me that i'd be

1023
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: out of practice, you know. Two years ago, i'd be

1024
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no, because I love working with clients.

1025
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: But now I'm really passionate about teaching. Currently, We've got

1026
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: six hundred or so practitioners around the world, and I've

1027
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: taught every single one of them. I'm really proud of

1028
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: the integrity of the medality and I want to expand it,

1029
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: but not at the cost of the reverence of the work.

1030
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of in that period now, like how

1031
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: do I figure out it? But not losing to the

1032
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: heart of it too. So that's kind of where my

1033
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: mind is at the moment. But I love my life

1034
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: is pretty much coming and doing things like this now,

1035
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: and just I want to get as many people hearing

1036
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: about it so that they aren't missing out on something

1037
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: that could really assist them because it changed my life.

1038
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: I know it's anecdotal, but I've seen it change so

1039
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: many people's lives. And you know, if even one person

1040
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: hears this and goes and tries it and has happiness

1041
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: and joy and hope in their life again, then that's

1042
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: just I've done my job. You've done it, Yeah done,

1043
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah done?

1044
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: So how can someone go and get around the work experience.

1045
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: It give us all the plugs well, even online. So

1046
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: if you hadn't told me it worked online, would not

1047
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: have believed you. But I started doing work online in

1048
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: COVID and it worked, and I was like, this is crazy.

1049
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: And again we'll get into this. Tony robbins that she

1050
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: has a result experiment on it. He's just released papers

1051
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: on his online upw and the physiological changes you get

1052
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: from mirror neurons and things like that. So there's actual

1053
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 2: science that show that online is just as powerful as

1054
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: in person. There's no difference.

1055
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: That makes complete sense to me though, because if you

1056
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: think about social media and the movement of social media,

1057
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: of TikTok of you know what I mean, Like, there

1058
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: has to be somethin in it, otherwise it would not

1059
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: make sense.

1060
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: I think even with spunk, people can feel it the video.

1061
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: That's why people either love it or hate it, because

1062
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: this is this like it provokes.

1063
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: I loved it, touch me on.

1064
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: People provoked something so I can't remember what I was saying,

1065
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: but there's something around that. So online you can get

1066
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: a spinaline, so people do online sessions in person. We've

1067
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: got a beautiful studio in Richmond, which is our headquarters

1068
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: where the practitioners work closer with me, so they're probably

1069
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: the most experience in terms of time with me. Otherwise,

1070
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: we've got practitioners all over the world. We've got a

1071
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Speaker 2: little map where you can type in where you're from

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Speaker 2: and see who your closest person is if you prefer

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Speaker 2: in person.

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Speaker 1: Is anyone on the Gold Coast?

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Speaker 2: There is, there is people on the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to say who I look favorite like,

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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely there's I think three or four on the

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Speaker 2: Goldie Cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. Well, we'll make sure we link everything in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. But thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you so much for my private

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Speaker 1: such I feel so special, guys. I know it was

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Speaker 1: honestly incredible, and like you said, I've dipped my toe

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Speaker 1: into this work, so I one hundred percent believe in it.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, for me, it honestly saved my

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Speaker 1: health to work with my subconscious to put my throat

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Speaker 1: into remissions. So yeah, thank you so much for explaining

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Speaker 1: for your time, for being here with us. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing your story of that as well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's always people when they hear someone like

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Speaker 2: yourself having experienced something like that and then working with

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Speaker 2: a modality like this and it changing you. I think

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Speaker 2: we'll definitely get some people who maybe wouldn't necessarily look

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Speaker 2: into something like this to look into it.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for helping me spread the word so welcome.

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Speaker 1: You think I'm closed off? Do you think I repress

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Speaker 1: sometimes conjectually? Thank you so much, Sarah,