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Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this

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Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land

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Speaker 1: where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from.

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bales.

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Speaker 2: On this week's episode of The Black Magic Woman Podcast,

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Speaker 2: we pick up from last week's episode where Mandanara and

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Suwan Hunter are discussing the challenges of holding the

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Speaker 2: government accountable for its policies and frameworks and the lack

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Speaker 2: of assessment on various initiatives aimed at improving the lives

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Speaker 2: of First Nations peoples.

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Speaker 1: So, in the State of Victoria, is it five years

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Speaker 1: this Truth Commission? Where are we at with this commission?

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Speaker 3: In the it was original three.

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Speaker 4: It's just one of the biggest By the way, it's

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Speaker 4: one of the biggest mandates ever for any truth commission.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by one of the biggest mandates?

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Speaker 4: So we get this is what we have to investigate

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Speaker 4: systemic justice against first people from seventeen eighty eight to current.

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Speaker 4: We had three years to do that. We've got an

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Speaker 4: extra year and we've got probably about.

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Speaker 3: Ten months left.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this next ten months, what's on the cards.

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Speaker 3: So we've done a heap of hearings.

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Speaker 4: We just finished Landing Justice and we just finished health, housing,

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Speaker 4: education and socioeconomic sort of life. We've still got accountability

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Speaker 4: hearings when we call them back, particularly chop protection criminal justice,

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Speaker 4: because they did that ages ago, so we want to

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Speaker 4: know they promised this a few things.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if they, oh, they come back, we're asking

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Speaker 3: them back. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: We've also got one day of descendants hearings, so there's

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Speaker 4: three descendants of colonizers that really want to come forward

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Speaker 1: So these are a wide Australian fan Was it a

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Speaker 1: been here since the first fleet?

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Speaker 4: Well, we had Susannah Henty. So if you look down

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Speaker 4: on going to Jamara country down in Portland, it's named

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Speaker 4: the birthplace of Victoria and that's all hinty sort of

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Speaker 4: country down there. So we had Susanna Henty come on, it's.

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Speaker 1: A I think I saw this one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So she come and spoke about her descendants.

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Speaker 1: Early sixties older lady.

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Speaker 3: No, no, young lady.

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Speaker 4: So she spoke about the descendants of her people of

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Speaker 4: the Hinties. We've got a few others that we're working

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Speaker 4: tell what wrongs their descendants did.

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Speaker 1: So when this commission, you've got Aboriginal people that are sharing.

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Speaker 4: So we've got the evidence and it is evidence right

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Speaker 4: and usually look, you know, you're not the British for

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Speaker 3: Can actually match stuff up.

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Speaker 4: Right, They've got we've you've got all this stuff that

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Speaker 4: you've got first people's coming forward to tell this and

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Speaker 4: it matches right. But then we're holding the state to account.

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Speaker 4: So this is the first time the governments had to

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Speaker 4: answer to first people's. So we've had the Premier of

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Speaker 4: the Minister for Corrections Jacqueline Simes, the Attorney, the Treasurer like,

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Speaker 4: we've had them all come to the stand. I do

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Speaker 4: the police, the commissioner for the Police, Shane Patton, gave

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Speaker 4: seventy two things that they're going to do within the police.

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Speaker 3: Force in Victoria.

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Speaker 4: But he also they also held a day and apology

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Speaker 3: So we went to that.

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Speaker 4: I think people, we're just asking people to listen. You know,

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Speaker 4: don't want to take things away, because then that takes

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Speaker 4: How do we add first people's voices to that, and

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Speaker 3: We move forward because it's not working.

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Speaker 4: It's ugly, it's scary, the rates being a mom, it's scary,

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Speaker 4: the rates of child protection, desting, custody, you name it.

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Speaker 3: We've got the highest rates.

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Speaker 4: So how does this Commission and First People's Assembly push

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Speaker 4: and saying this, I feel like I bang I head

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Speaker 4: the same thing since my days of working in chop diction.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, my mom was removed, her

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Speaker 1: five generations on my mother's side that was stolen, children institutionalized,

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Speaker 1: DNA exactly. And I heard that it takes seven generations

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Speaker 1: to heal from trauma. Now I'm the first generation with

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Speaker 1: I think that's what needs to be understood, that we're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that I talk to people and I say,

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Speaker 4: So it's not like the missions. Aren't that like, it's

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Speaker 4: These stories, well, I don't even like calling them stories

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Speaker 1: Were controlled, every aspect, controlled by the state.

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Speaker 4: And surveiled like the constant surveillance and still happens, right,

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Speaker 4: it just looks different, It looks completely different. These systems

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Speaker 3: To stabilize us, to civilize well, not even that it

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Speaker 4: And who was in the way, and where does the

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Speaker 3: It's all in the land.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: What we need to do today is we.

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Speaker 4: Can't get it all back, and we can't you know,

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Speaker 1: And there's not enough of us anyways. There's three percent

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Speaker 4: And in Victoria we're under one percent, right, yeah, So

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Speaker 4: we're fighting for changes and you know.

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Speaker 3: The retric's still there.

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Speaker 4: You tell people, I don't want your backyard, that's not

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Speaker 3: Oh you want money. It's not all about money.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's about dignity and pride and holding your head

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Speaker 3: But to be able to have the same opportunity.

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Speaker 1: As if you're the same privileges, that's exactly why. And

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Speaker 1: this land of opportunities, the lucky country. We're not asking

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Speaker 3: No, we're not.

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Speaker 4: And I think the thing is if you look at

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Speaker 1: For mob You're gonna have a lot of non Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: all this extra money? I wish there's thirty billion dollars

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Speaker 1: So people don't realize that our old Minister for Indigenous Affairs,

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Speaker 4: So we just did the landing justice and we broke

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Speaker 4: we don't get absolutely anything from our land that is

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Speaker 4: constantly being decimated, and that our traditional lands. And we're

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Speaker 4: not asking for a lot, but when you're pulling out trillions,

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Speaker 3: But what does it look like? What does it look like?

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Speaker 3: And what should we have?

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Speaker 4: And people are just you're right, People say, don't you

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Speaker 3: Don't you?

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, I don't know about you, but I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't see any of it either.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know where it goes. And I look

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Speaker 1: Our I've gotten told where it goes, it's caught up

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Speaker 3: Well it is.

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Speaker 1: And who's actually benefiting from our disadvantage because it's called

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Speaker 1: I reckon we will. How can we not, especially when

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Speaker 1: Truth Telling is definitely on my agenda. I kind of

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Speaker 1: if I can get you in, even if I have

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Speaker 1: But on that note, thank you for giving up your

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Speaker 1: evening to be here. Very welcome and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to like, I want to do the work. With you

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Speaker 1: we got it, we got it. So I love you,

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Speaker 1: my assistant, thank you, thank you, Commissioner Hunter, thank you,

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Speaker 1: buys stuff, thank you, and for everyone that's listening. I

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Speaker 1: really do hope that you've enjoyed this episode. Until next time,

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