1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows, 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: fearlessly failing fam. Today on the pod, we have Western 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: and Wade. Now they're actors, they're screenwriters. They are showrunners 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: of this incredible new pilot called Codependent. You can find 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: out more about Codependent in the show notes. This episode 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: is for anyone with a creative dream. These two incredible 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: humans have literally come out of film school, come up 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: with this idea written about their lives, and they've literally 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: executed this thing. 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: It's so inspiring. There are so many tips. 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: If you've got a dream or a passion, or that 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: little flicker in your heart where you just want to 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: chase that thing but you're a bit afraid to do it, 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: this is the episode for you. 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to the pod. 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: I want to say Western and Wade, but I don't 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: know if people say Wade and Western what do people say. 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: I say whatever, Honestly, I reder. 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 4: We both leos though, right, yes, okay, I'm so excited 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 4: to talk to you both because well, there's so many things, 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: but your screenwriters. 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: You've been to film school. You've been to a really 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: fancy film school. Right is it called Chapman. It's called Chapman, 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: And that is like in La in America when it 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: comes to film schools, that's like Krem de La Crem. 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hollywood Reporter named it number four film school. 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Really, I circularly swanked like the commencement last week, the 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: commencement speech, like the graduation speech. 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's like the dean is so well connected in 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 5: the industry because I think he like used to work 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 5: for like the Hollywood Reporter or something, so he gets 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 5: so many like celebrities to speak and do like master 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 5: classes and yeah, and that was honestly he started kind 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 5: of doing that more so when we left, I'm like. 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: I know, oh okay, so positive impact. 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay. So you're both actors as well, and 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: they started really young, right. 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, we both started we like we were just really 44 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 5: rambunctious and all. We like always made videos and always 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 5: were kind of performing for our famay and so honestly 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 5: it was mostly our idea to just like do community theater. 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 5: So we did community they like our city, and then 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 5: we like did this random class and at the end 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 5: of the class there was a showcase. So then we 50 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 5: like were in a showcase and then we got like 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 5: an agent when we were younger, and then just. 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty exciting, Like, I mean, that's happened pretty naturally 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: for you. 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, it was kind of random. 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was kind of random, but we we took 56 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 5: this class intentionally because we knew at the end there 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 5: was a showcase with agents, so we kind of did 58 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 5: like manifest that a little bit. 59 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still I would say, that's just being smart 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: and stavy. 61 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: I love that, right, So obviously I had to deep 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: dive your tiktoks YouTube's excuse me. 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: Viral he YouTube little Yeah, it was. 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: Kind of so you were kind of famous for like 65 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: the parody stuff, right, that was your whole Is this 66 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: where like the because obviously your writing is quite comedic. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: I would say, is this where that has started from? 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, Like when we were younger, we were such 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 5: like YouTube scenes, like we loved like comedy influencers, even 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: though they didn't even really call it that back then, 71 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: but just like people that made like crazy silly skits, 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 5: and we loved movies, so every time we watched a movie, 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: we're just like, wait, like it would. 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: Be funny if that scene actually went this way. 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 5: So then we just started like filming ourselves and then 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 5: we started posting these comedy parodies on YouTube, and like 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 5: the first one we posted like kind of got a 78 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 5: bunch of views. 79 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: It was the first one we posted, and we were like, 80 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: this is crazy. 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: Don't like one like twelve fifteen million or something. 82 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the first one. We posted. Our Annabelle parody. Yeah, 83 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 5: like horror movie about the doll, but yeah, that was 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: our first one, and it like went viral and and 85 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 5: that's crazy. And we just made it like with our 86 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 5: friends that we met and yeah in school. 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: And wasn't it like at someone's grandma's house and you're 88 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: like leave? 89 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: Ye? 90 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: Really we literally were like like can we use your 91 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: house for the day? You got to go? So we 92 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: were like always. 93 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 5: Doing that kind of stuff ever since we were little, 94 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 5: being like you know, like asking friends and family. 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: For favors for like weird ideas and oh, my goodness. 96 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: And so you've done I know e've ben a lot 97 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: of what do you get auditions a lot together or separately? 98 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 3: How would you say acting together? 99 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, like you know what towards the beginning, because we 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 5: we just like started acting again. 101 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: I think honestly, like filming codependent, like what we're going 102 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: to talk about. 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that like really I feel like got us excited 104 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: about acting like that prospect. So we recently got into it, 105 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: got like commercially represented, and at first it started off 106 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 5: like more alone, but I think once we like booked 107 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: something together, like oh we should send them out together. 108 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 5: So it's like now we've been auditioning more together, which 109 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 5: is fun. 110 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Oh totally. 111 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: And also I imagine it takes the nerves away because 112 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: you got your like this buddy next to you. 113 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's less like in your head like you like 114 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 5: you know when you're alone, which like in most things, 115 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 5: and like you kind of like are insecure more thinking 116 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 5: about like oh all eyes and me, but when there's. 117 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: Two, that's just like no, not all eyes on me, 118 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: it's like all eyes on both of us. Yeah, less scary. 119 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: I go, No, I love it. 120 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I've never every time I go to a like cast 121 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: me or a call back. I'm like, oh, okay, here 122 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: we go, Here we go. 123 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 5: Here. 124 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm the random a Z in the room, you know, 125 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: like that like having like a teammate with you. 126 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: I feel like would be like a superpower in a way. 127 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so nice. It's so nice. 128 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 5: It's kind of like a nice little confidence booster. 129 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 130 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: I have to ask about the Ryan Murphy audition. Can 131 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: you take me through this? Because when you told me 132 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: this story the first time, I was like, he said, what, Yeah. 133 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: This story is such tea So basically like this season 134 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: one of American Horror Story. It's like American Horstory, How 135 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 5: come out yet? I think he'd done other shows. He 136 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 5: was like pretty popular, but he wasn't what he was 137 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 5: right now, Like yeah, you know, literally everything green, that 138 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 5: type thing. But yeah, so we went in the room 139 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 5: we auditioned for The Twins in season one. It was 140 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 5: just kind of random like characters, uh and yeah. So 141 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 5: we went in and it was Ryan Murphy, which we 142 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 5: did not We didn't like, but we didn't really know 143 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 5: of Ryan Murphy at the time. It was. 144 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: He's a massive now he's like signed to Disney. 145 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 5: Ryan. 146 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like yeah. 147 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 5: So we went in and like it was Ryan Murphy, 148 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: which we didn't know, you know, but no, no, and 149 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 5: another person and we auditioned. We read. 150 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: I thought we did pretty bad. 151 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: It's pretty good, but it was like the script was 152 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 5: like there were like parts and jars and like it 153 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 5: was just gross, like we're walking through this gross, decayed 154 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: basement and like, I don't know that I look back 155 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 5: at it. Maybe he had a plant. But anyway, at 156 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 5: the end of the audition, Ryan Murphy was like, I 157 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 5: don't know, like it's just a bit too Disney, like ye, 158 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 5: do it again and be liked more dark because like 159 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 5: it's just giving Disney. 160 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 3: No, he didn't even do that. 161 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 5: No, no, okay, like I'm gonna say, this. 162 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: Is what he did. He goes, he goes, it's too Disney. 163 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: But he didn't even elaborate. He doesn't just like you're 164 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: like giving the nice version. 165 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: I mean no, like honestly, I'm not like smacking him 166 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: for it, like, you know, do you like it? Right? 167 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: I think it was like looking back, it's a. 168 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 5: Fun experience, Like it's funny. So yeah, but yeah he 169 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 5: said that, I'm like, you know what, you have a 170 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 5: point probably, and we didn't know the vibe of the show, 171 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 5: so we were probably oh my god, there's a head 172 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 5: in a jar, Like we probably didn't know it was 173 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 5: going to be like darkly, I don't know the tone, 174 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 5: didn't know the vibe. 175 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my goodness. 176 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: So as soon as you told me that story, I 177 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, of course you must get compared to 178 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: this browse brother brothers. 179 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: Does that happen loads. 180 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: All the time, especially when we were younger, because it 181 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 5: was like popular, you know that Zack and Cody was 182 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: like popular. 183 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: And also like, when I've looked back at younger YouTube video, 184 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: is like one of you was kind of blonde, and like, 185 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: was it that was dark? 186 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: Really dark? Here? 187 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: Someone had darks? 188 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 5: I like, cool blonde, Yeah, he was like the darker. 189 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like yeah when you did the YouTube, 190 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: but you both had like half an hour to create 191 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: a song from scratch. 192 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: I made your mom judge it, and you were giving 193 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: very sprouse brother with the blonde highlights. This is what 194 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 2: I remember. 195 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: So do people like ask you, oh did they when 196 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: you were younger? They were asking loads like. 197 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the Disney was the. 198 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: Zach who's the girl? They would say, like which one 199 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: is which? 200 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 5: I think when we were younger, you were Zach, right, No, 201 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: Like yeah, when we were younger, I was like more 202 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 5: of a Zach. 203 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: Like. 204 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 5: I was the chill, the cool one that like the 205 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 5: one that like didn't want to like listen to my 206 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 5: mom and like I was the one where Wesson was 207 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 5: like Cody. I was distressed out one. I was the 208 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 5: one communicating with my parents, you know what I mean. 209 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 5: I was the one that they were texting, like are 210 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 5: you guys home? 211 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah. 212 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 5: I was a little I know. That's kind of annoying 213 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 5: to me because I would be the one to like 214 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 5: and they wouldn't ask me because they know that I'm 215 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 5: not the one to like ask about that kind of stuff, 216 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 5: like when they like when you're gonna be home? They 217 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 5: would ask him because I'm like, I've not shaped our personality. Yeah, 218 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 5: but you know, but it's reversed. I feel like now 219 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 5: you're more Zach. Now he's more chill, Like I'm like 220 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 5: the chill like whatever, and I'm the kind of more 221 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 5: like type A now. 222 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm like neater than you. 223 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you meique in different ways, Like there's different kinds 224 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: of neat. Like my boyfriend who's off camera right now. 225 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: He's so good at making a house like perfecto. But 226 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: then I'm a control freak with like my desk has 227 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: to be neat also I have to have the dishwatch 228 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: has to be unloaded in the morning like that. 229 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 5: Sometimes, Like well, I do feel like Wade's kind of 230 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 5: like you in a way because I feel like certain 231 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 5: things You're like, oh yeah, yeah, I like that, But 232 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: things I'm really neat about and like I have like 233 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: how it should go, how it goes yes, and other 234 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 5: things I don't care. I'm like, oh close, like closed stuff, 235 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: don't care, Like I'm kind of messy with that stuff. 236 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: So it's very particular. 237 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: Do you know what the good self awareness of you both? 238 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: I must say, I think do you know? And I 239 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: don't know Wade you well enough for this, But one 240 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: of my favorite traits of yours Western is you're so curious. 241 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: It's like your natural set point, and it's kind of 242 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: rare for people to sit in that as they're like, 243 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, like natural way, it's like do you 244 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: know where? Like that is that? Just like you've got 245 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: epic parents that were like obviously they gave you great names, 246 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: so true, like did they kind of like did you 247 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: grow up with that being like a value? 248 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 249 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think like having older sisters too, Like we 250 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 5: have older sisters, so I think they like I don't know, 251 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 5: seeing how they communicate, and I just think that's kind 252 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 5: of something that's always been Maybe it's like also built 253 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 5: in me where I feel like I'm just I feel 254 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 5: like you're the same too. 255 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: I feel like we get along because like we're both. 256 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 5: Like very genuine in each other's lives, you know what 257 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 5: I mean. Yeah, But yeah, I feel like I've just 258 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 5: always kind of naturally like it's not even something I 259 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 5: think about. I just always want to know more about people, 260 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 5: Like I just want to know the tea. 261 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. 262 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 5: Well, I honestly think it comes from being And I 263 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 5: don't know if like younger siblings really but for me personally, 264 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 5: and I don't know about you, but like I feel 265 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 5: like being the youngest sibling of like four of us 266 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 5: in total, it's like you're kind of always on the outside, 267 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 5: kind of always like like observing and listening. 268 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 269 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 5: So it's like when where kids were like watching our 270 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 5: sisters like have boyfriends and do this and like be 271 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 5: in high school and we're young, so it's kind of 272 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 5: like being that way where you're like, oh, what. 273 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: Are you guys doing? What do you whatever? 274 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 5: And yeah, we're kind of watching everything, so we're curious 275 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 5: about you know. 276 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: Oh I love it. It's such a good trait. 277 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: I have an acting teacher here in LA and she's like, 278 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: if you're ever in an audition and you're kind of 279 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: stuck in your head or like freaking out about your reader, whatever, 280 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: She's like, just become curious. And she's like, tell me 281 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: after the audition. She's like, tell me they're scene partner's 282 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: eye color. And she's like, you just take all the 283 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: attention off you and like focus on beautiful blue eyes, 284 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it just pulls you 285 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: out of your head straight away and like grounds you. 286 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: Such a good trait, but you naturally sit in that space, 287 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: which I think is a gift for sure. 288 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: Welcome you two, Oh thank you. 289 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's why we're chatting today because I I remember. 290 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: When we first met. 291 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: I was like, so what do you do? And you 292 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: were like, so I'm a screenwriter and I was like, 293 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: excuse him, are like that's amazing, Tell me more. And 294 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: I think when I were working the yogustire literally cleaning 295 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: mirrors together at that point. 296 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I remember that, And now cut. 297 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: To you've both just shot your first pilot together, Codependence. 298 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: It's incredible. I've seen the trailer. I've had a little 299 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: snaky I've had a little snaky peke. 300 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: Okay, let's start at the start. How where did the 301 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: idea come from? What made you want to do it? 302 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Like like start at like the seat of the idea. 303 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think like, like we graduated college in 304 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, and I think we were just like 305 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 5: at a point in our lives where we weren't like 306 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 5: getting like our school was kind of pushing us to like, 307 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 5: you know, take a traditional route, like you know, go 308 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 5: work in an agency, be an assistant, like like work 309 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 5: your way up type thing, but we just really weren't 310 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: seeing results. And I think we were just at a 311 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 5: point where we felt stuck. But it motivated us, and 312 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 5: I think, Okay, at the end of the day, what 313 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 5: do we want to do? Like we want to like 314 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 5: make TV and like we want to write. So we 315 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 5: kind of like formed the idea in that headspace where 316 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 5: we're just like know we're gonna like do what we 317 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 5: want to do and like make it for ourselves instead 318 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: of waiting for an opportunity. So yeah, because like, for example, 319 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 5: I was an assistant because I was like in school, 320 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 5: they don't really they don't really tell you like do 321 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 5: things that like do things yourself and whatever. So I 322 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 5: was like, Okay, I'm gonna like be an assistant and 323 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 5: then like. 324 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: Work my way up. 325 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 5: But I did that for literally like not that long, 326 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 5: like seven months, and I was just like this. 327 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: Ain't it right. 328 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: It's just like yeah, I mean it was just like 329 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 5: in my head, I'm like, wow, doing this for like 330 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 5: people do that for like what six seven years kind 331 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 5: of thing until they kind of like work their way 332 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 5: and not that they say an assistant, but they just 333 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 5: do that kind of thing where they like. 334 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: Work for other people for a really long time. 335 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 5: And I get it, and like that's totally a hustle 336 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: that like I'm like so fond of because I'm like, 337 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 5: oh my gosh, like go off, like I can't, like 338 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. So we're kind of just like we 339 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 5: just need to like do something ourselves pretty much like 340 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 5: and we always wanted to make a show about like 341 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 5: the Twin experience because we felt like like we felt 342 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 5: like there's a lot of Twin stuff out there, especially now, 343 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 5: I feel like twin content is like really having a moment. 344 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 5: Yeah kind of well, I feel like a lot of characters, 345 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: like like actors are playing like one person's playing. 346 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: Twins, which I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like you know. 347 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 5: Like sinners, simple favor or stuff like that. But I 348 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 5: feel like what's missing is genuine like authentic twin stories 349 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 5: from a twin perspective. Yeah, so that's why we're like, 350 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 5: oh and it's a really fascinating relationship. 351 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and without it being like kind of a plot device, because. 352 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 5: I feel it's always like like in a mystery, it's 353 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 5: like the twin sister did it? 354 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: Like the twin Sisters alive and shit. 355 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 5: So yeah, so it's kind of used as like some 356 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 5: like crazy twist plot device, and we're like the idea 357 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 5: kind of sparked of us being like there's no like 358 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 5: because that like twin was such a big thing when 359 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 5: we're kids, Like Zack and Cody was like, yeah, it's 360 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 5: literally just watching these twins because it's such a unique, 361 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 5: weird experience like live as twins or whatever. So like 362 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 5: there's not really that for like adults or like like 363 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: coming of ageing as twins as adults, it's not as 364 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 5: much of a thing that like we've seen in content 365 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 5: as much. 366 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: So that's kind of where it started. It started. 367 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: H My goodness, I like the way you hit like 368 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: coming of age because it does still have that although 369 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: it's like quirky and funny and kind of like offbeat. 370 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: Can I say that was actually great? 371 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: There's still like a hero's journey for you both, for 372 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: both of your characters throughout it, like we're still like 373 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: fighting the good fight for you both. I feel like 374 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: having read the script. Yeah, so okay, what was one 375 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: of the hardest parts about it? Like was the did 376 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: the writing come easy? We like, oh shit, has I've 377 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: got to train up on my acting again? Because YouTube 378 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: both star in it obviously spoiler it, so like was like, 379 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: because I know you went back to acting school ahead 380 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: of like filming the stuff in New York, what was 381 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: the hardest bit or what was kind of like the 382 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: scariest in the leader? 383 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 384 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 5: Well, for me personally, I think the writing was fun 385 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 5: and honestly because there we started off just writing it, 386 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: like how we mostly start things as we just write 387 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 5: it because we want to get it out and like 388 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 5: we want I don't know, we just have this urge 389 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 5: to like get something out there. And it's we're not 390 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: really thinking about like everything after that, you know what 391 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: I mean. It's just like we're just creativity, okay, like 392 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: writing the story. And I think the the stressful, harder 393 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 5: stuff came when we're like we have to like make 394 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 5: this a whole thing and like we have to like 395 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 5: bring all these things together and really like bring it 396 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 5: up like from the ground. 397 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: Up, you know. 398 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 5: So, and also the acting part, it was like we 399 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 5: have to show run, we have to give our performance, we. 400 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: Have to be in the moment. 401 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 5: So what we really wanted to do is get crew 402 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 5: out our experience and really good at what they do, 403 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 5: so we could kind of be like we honestly let 404 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 5: a lot of people like have their own creative. 405 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: Direction because like we kind of wanted one. 406 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 5: Filming came because I feel like for us, like we 407 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 5: are strengths. Kind of what you're saying is like writing, 408 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 5: so like that's fun and comes easy. Even though it 409 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 5: was one of the longest processes, like it we wrote 410 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: for like a year to two years, Like it was 411 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 5: like a year and a half we were writing this 412 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: because it was like a completely different show, like a year. 413 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: And a half go committing. 414 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 5: It was a mystery about like twin, like this guy 415 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: who like clones his face as the celebrity because he 416 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 5: wants to like be hit. 417 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: He wants to like take his life. I don't know. 418 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 5: It was a camping camp and crazy, it was housewives vibe. 419 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: We're like, we don't have the budget for this. We 420 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: need to make it more like drawn to us. 421 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it definitely changed off, but that's so fun 422 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 5: and it kind of comes naturally. 423 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: To do us that kind of stuff. 424 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 5: But then it's the kind of stuff when we're done, 425 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 5: we're like, okay, wow, like crew, like we need to 426 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 5: get people who know how to do this like making 427 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: this happen, because we're not as much we're like writer 428 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 5: brain more so then yeah, getting really good producers, but 429 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 5: we like produced so much of this on our own, 430 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 5: even though we did get really good producers. So that 431 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 5: was really hard to because like I don't have as 432 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 5: much or I don't think I see that like money 433 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 5: brain like that kind of thing, like I'm not that 434 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 5: we're creative people. Yeah, yeah, so that was really hard 435 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 5: to do for sure, that kind of stuff. 436 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: With it, any kind of like setbacks, like I know, 437 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: all the LA stuff was going to be shot and 438 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: then there was the fires happened here, Like was with 439 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: those kind of things they like put in This might 440 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: be an Australian saying, but put a spinner in the works, 441 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: like make it harder. 442 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so actually like it it was. 443 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: I mean the La fires were devastating for everyone, awful, 444 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 5: and we happened to be like we were planning to 445 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 5: film like literally yeah literally when it happened and we 446 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 5: were like, of course we can't film right now, like 447 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: of course, yeah, We're like, of course we can't, like 448 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 5: and in the moment it was very like, I don't know, 449 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 5: it was kind of stressful. It was kind of like 450 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 5: you know, you get those intrusive thoughts like oh God, 451 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 5: like is this ever gonna happen? 452 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: Like, you know, you get those scary thoughts. 453 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 5: But honestly, I really think like, I mean, yeah, like 454 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: obviously the circumstances were not they were terrible, but I 455 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 5: think in terms of the creative process, like we fixed 456 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 5: the script and it became so much better. So yeah, 457 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 5: like we we genuinely fixed and I think if it 458 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 5: wouldn't have gotten delayed, like we wouldn't have like made 459 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 5: the script better. So I think, like, yes, we got stepbacks, 460 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 5: but you know, we made it work and made it 461 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 5: like work to our advantage. 462 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah. 463 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: And I'm glad that everyone got to, like because not 464 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 5: no one in our crew was like directly affected or anything, 465 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 5: but like it's traveling and all that stuff and like 466 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 5: worrying about friends and family and just the air like 467 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 5: yeah in the air body. It's kind of like we 468 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: just need to like you know, not definitely not film 469 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 5: and we wanted to like. 470 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: Retain the guidelines that kind of Hollywood was doing. 471 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 472 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a good decision for sure. 473 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: I have to ask you filmed in New York City, 474 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: which is like iconic. 475 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: Like everyone's stream right. 476 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: Like I grew up watching Gossip Girls, so I'm like, 477 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, you're filming in New York, Like how 478 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: was that? And was really cold when you were there 479 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: with Christmas wild January? 480 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 5: Right, so freezing like literally during filming we had to 481 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 5: like wear gloves in and out of tastes because my 482 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 5: hands would literally get so red and dumb they were 483 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 5: like numb by the end, I could not feel my hands, 484 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 5: but it was so much fun and pretty much we 485 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 5: like we like had this idea in the ending that's 486 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 5: really pivotal for it to be in New York. I 487 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 5: won't spoil, but like, yeah, we just always have loved 488 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 5: New York and even like movies and TV from New 489 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 5: York and you relate too, as you were saying, but 490 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 5: like sex and City and like friends and like all this, 491 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 5: like we just love New York, so it's just so 492 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 5: close to us. Yeah, I felt right, And honestly, it 493 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 5: was just so fun because New York was it was 494 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 5: such a different vibe from the LA set because new 495 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: York it was very like it was very like running gun, 496 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 5: very like honestly like get what you can. But it 497 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 5: was kind of fun because I feel like it aided 498 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 5: to the story because New York was very like the 499 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 5: tone is very like chaotic. It's very like, you know, 500 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 5: like just like fast pacing, kind of like messy vibes. 501 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it. 502 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 5: Aided to Like it's honestly so fun to shoot like 503 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 5: that kind of because you can't think or yeah you 504 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 5: don't have time, Yeah, you don't have time, so you 505 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 5: kind of just do it and you're like, I mean, 506 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 5: because it's going to be. We were filming on location 507 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 5: in New York, so we didn't like runt down on 508 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 5: these spaces. We were literally filming on the streets, having 509 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 5: a big camera like running getting our show oh so fun, 510 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 5: and no one really cared. Like you know how in 511 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 5: LA when that stuff happens, everyone kind of stops. I 512 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 5: know New York people just walk by the do not care. 513 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: I love it New yorkcase. 514 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: It's just so directly like as long as I can 515 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: get to where they need to go, they just don't 516 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: exactly this is this is a hard one for you 517 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: to both say about each other, but like working with 518 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: each other in this creative capacity, what would you say 519 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: is each other's strength and weakness because I imagine you 520 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: balance one another out. 521 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love that question. That's so good. 522 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 5: It's hard though, Like you, I would say, I think 523 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: that I I'm pretty good at like being the one 524 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 5: to be really annoying and like worry about like the 525 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 5: big worry about like every detail. I think because I, 526 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 5: like I was saying, I'm kind of more of that 527 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 5: type eight where I'm like I'm like thinking about like 528 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 5: so many things and being like I don't know more, 529 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: I guess meticulous producer had more. 530 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah. Yeah, And then I feel like Wes 531 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: is kind of better at being like we need like 532 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: let's just do what's right, or like like I think, 533 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: like do what's right. 534 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 5: I think like since I've also like directed before, like 535 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 5: in college, I don't know, I think what what I 536 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 5: value a lot on set. 537 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: Is just like making a good vibe. 538 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 5: I don't know, because so I feel like I'm good 539 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 5: at that way creating a good vibe, like when I 540 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 5: can kind of tell when people get stressed, and I 541 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 5: feel like I try to alleviate that stuff. And yeah, 542 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 5: like I also feel like i'm like think very actory too, 543 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: and I feel like I like in terms of like 544 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: performance and like talking to actors like because you know, 545 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 5: of course the director like was definitely taking the reins 546 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 5: on that, but I definitely like feel like that was 547 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 5: something fun for me, like contributing to acting and performance 548 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 5: and stuff. 549 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think more. 550 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 5: The short answer I guess is I feel like I'm 551 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: more like maybe writer, producer brain and you're like actor director. 552 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I think. 553 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how it blends. 554 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: I think, how great, though, like what like dynamic duo? 555 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: I love it. I have to ask, so, what's so 556 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: fascinating for me that was lucky enough to be an 557 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: actor in your pilot? 558 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: Amazing? 559 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: It was so much fun. It was so much fun. 560 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: But is the kind of like behind the scenes you 561 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: spend all this time in acting school where like obsessing 562 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: over a script in scenes study for four weeks and 563 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: nick minute You're like, it's not the same as being 564 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: on a set, Like I said, is that you do 565 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: a dry. 566 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: Run with the director. 567 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: What would blow me away about your direct what was 568 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: your directors? In between takes when there was resets, Caitlyn 569 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: would have to draw. I don't know if you did 570 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: you notice this about Caitlyn. Yeah, and she was like 571 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: I have to like reset my brain kind of thing. 572 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: And it would take her out of it, but it 573 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: would keep her creative. And I was like, if. 574 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: You would notice that it's so fun, she would like 575 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: even like for fun, she would just start drawing. 576 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, it would just help her like creatively flow. 577 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: It makes total sense, though. 578 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: It was like full like felt like I was watching 579 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: some magical genius do their thing. 580 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: But there are so. 581 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: Many like and for the listeners or viewers, the interesting 582 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: thing is like what we see on a page when 583 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: we were in scene study is quite different to like, no, actually, 584 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: you've got to hit this mark. Like I know, I 585 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: had to do a shot where it was just my 586 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: feet and we had to like get that close up, 587 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, why the f are you nervous about 588 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: where your feet go? Like, just get the shot right, 589 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: and then you do coverage so your focus there's a 590 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: camera on your shoulder. Getting the other actors takes like 591 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: three times, and then it's it's very different to like 592 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: what is my my feeling? What is their motivation in 593 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: this moment, It's like, no, we need to get clean shots. 594 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 595 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 5: It kind of becomes like a little technical in a 596 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 5: good way, which is so nice because it doesn't as 597 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 5: much feel if you're the actor that it's about you. 598 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 5: It's like, oh no, like it's literally this like they 599 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 5: need your shoulder, they need this technicality of it all, 600 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 5: and it's kind of like you just have like and 601 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 5: a lot of times with technical notes, you kind of 602 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 5: have to have that note at the forefront, which kind 603 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 5: of helps sometimes performance just like. 604 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: Happen because you can get out of your head, like 605 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: what you were saying, you're more hered like and it 606 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: feels very much like you're one piece of a really 607 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: big team. 608 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: Which is really really which is how we do it 609 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 2: we do right. 610 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like I don't know because I like 611 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 5: we were talking about like I hadn't acted that much, 612 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 5: Like I don't know. This was like the first time 613 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 5: getting back into it. I feel like and you realize 614 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 5: like it's actually like like we're talking about like less 615 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 5: stressful because you're like, oh my god, so many people 616 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 5: are contributing to this. 617 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 3: It's not just me. It's like there's so many elements. 618 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, it feels so calming too, and so 619 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: awesome to like because I'm I feel like we're both 620 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 5: like this where it's like once the project's out there, 621 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 5: I like don't have an ego with it because I'm 622 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 5: like with our direct like with our DP and with 623 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 5: our director, like they're so good at what they do 624 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 5: that I fully trust them, and I feel like it's 625 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 5: so important to get people that you can do that with. 626 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: And it feels so nice. 627 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 5: Like you like you you appreciate their talent so much 628 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 5: that you're kind of just like do what you do 629 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 5: because like you guys don't know how to do that, 630 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 5: so that CP was. 631 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: Not missing about it. I was like I've pulled side. 632 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm kind of scared, and you're like no, no, 633 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: so lovely, just New York, New York. 634 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: So cool and so nice and so. 635 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah amazing and like straight you could just feel like 636 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: That's what I think I love so much about it 637 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: is like watching everybody in. 638 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 5: Their Yeah, it was honestly so amazing just to watch 639 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 5: like Caitlin and Kyle and everyone just like in their 640 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: element and it was so so much. 641 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: Fun to act is so fun. Yeah, I know, little buds, 642 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: Ye see you both. 643 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: It was so fun. 644 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: So I know you're both. 645 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: I would say, like you're so present with the way 646 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: that you are and around this and creating it. But 647 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: like let's talk big picture dreams, like what's the dream? 648 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: Where do we want this to go? Like are we 649 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: thinking Emmy's twenty twenty six seven? 650 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: Like you know, I mean this guy's a limit. 651 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think we're honestly trying to think of course, 652 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 5: like we want like big things to happen with this, 653 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 5: like we would love for it to end up somewhere 654 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 5: like yeah, for to like end up somewhere like exist somewhere. 655 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: Where we can make more. 656 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 5: You know, we would love to make more, of course, 657 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 5: but I think initially we're trying to like kind of 658 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 5: have it live in the festival circuit, like. 659 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: Having a life there, and we kind of we just want. 660 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 5: People to see it, you know, we want like to 661 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 5: get eyes on it and to get people to watch it, 662 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 5: you know, and like it's it's honestly about everyone else 663 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: in the crew too, because like I don't know, it 664 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 5: would just be so fun if like like had a 665 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 5: little festival round and like we could all like go 666 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 5: to these things and like all just like and I 667 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 5: don't know, if it got picked up, that would be 668 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 5: amazing and like bring along people who we have so 669 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 5: much faith in, Like I don't know, it's just so exciting. 670 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean we hope it gets picked up, 671 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 5: and if not, like just that people see it and 672 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 5: that like we can continue working with everyone we've worked with. 673 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: And who we brought on this project who's been so amazing. 674 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 5: So or even like get steps to like I don't know, 675 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 5: writer representation stuff like that, yeah, yeah, yeah. 676 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 3: Like or just like get a Kneewner, I don't know 677 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: anything like that. 678 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: You're doing all the right stuff. 679 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: So for people listening to this that like a lot 680 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: of young actors listen to this pod and like you've 681 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: gone out there, You've done the thing, like and I 682 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: can imagine like there's a big difference between having the. 683 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: Idea to be like maybe we should write something. 684 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Together versus actually executing that thing and you've done it. 685 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: Congrats. 686 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: What advice do you have to like a young actor 687 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: or a screenwriter that is kind of like in the 688 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: infancy of their career. 689 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that, Like for me, the biggest 690 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 5: advice is kind of like if you're not booking or not, 691 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 5: like I don't know, things aren't kind of working out 692 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 5: how you want. 693 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: Like I would just say just kind of do it. 694 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 5: Like if you're an actor, then like get your friend 695 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 5: who like likes to director, or get your friend who 696 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 5: like you think is really talented and like make something 697 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 5: or I don't know, because for me that I like, 698 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 5: and sometimes you question yourself, you're like, oh, why am 699 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 5: I not booking? 700 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 3: Why are people not hiring me? Why am I not whatever? 701 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 5: But it's kind of like you just have to show 702 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 5: them because they haven't seen it. Yeah, so you just 703 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 5: have to like show people what your ideas are because 704 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 5: everyone has such unique different ideas. Maybe you're yourself isn't 705 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: going to fit into someone else's. 706 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: Vision or whatever, but you could make your own. And yeah, 707 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: that'd probably be because that's like what I kind of 708 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: lived by in a way. 709 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think I would say, first of all, 710 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 5: advice is so subjective. But you know, for me, I 711 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 5: feel like what I had to do is like you 712 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 5: really have to sit down and figure out what you want, 713 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 5: like genuinely what you want in life, because I feel 714 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 5: like there's so many different paths and like sure, like 715 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 5: and at the end of the day, like I didn't 716 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 5: what I wanted was to like be an actor, but 717 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 5: like be acting for my own words and like have my. 718 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: Own huge show. 719 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: Like yeah, just literally like figure out what the heck 720 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 5: you want, Like I wanted to have a TV show, 721 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: so we made one, you know what I mean. It's 722 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 5: just like figure out the path and like the life 723 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 5: that you want. 724 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: And like also if. 725 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 5: You're going in it for the money, like don't yeah, yeah, 726 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like if. 727 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: You're doing this career for money, like what, Yeah, no, Like, 728 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: I like what. 729 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 5: I like what you said there, because it's kind of 730 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 5: like you just kind of have to do what you 731 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 5: want because you can't wait for it. 732 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: I guess you can't wait. You can't wait for an opportunity. 733 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: You just have to do it. Yeah. 734 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: I love this idea of like we'll create the thing 735 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: so that that people can see agents can see you 736 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: or other actors rather like and it's fascinating when people 737 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: see they're like, oh, they're actually. 738 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: Perfect for this, or you know, like I think, I 739 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: don't know. 740 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: I think, like even when you asked me to do this, like, yeah, 741 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how you came to that, but I 742 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: don't know how you you know, yeah, well we were 743 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: just chit chatting about our dreams, right yeah. 744 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 5: Well honestly, like I think when we were writing the show, 745 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 5: I did, I mean a lot of you know, literally 746 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 5: how we wrote this script. It's so funny because how 747 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: we wrote this script is literally like we before we 748 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 5: even thought of a lot of the characters. We literally 749 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 5: would think of like which one of who of our 750 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 5: friends would we want to be in this? So we 751 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 5: would write roles specifically for people and like shape roles 752 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 5: for people. So we definitely I had you in mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 753 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 5: well I just had you in mind. And like even 754 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 5: like our other friend Alex, Like we have been friends 755 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 5: with her for a while and we like love her, 756 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 5: so we're like, Okay, this should be Alex and we're 757 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 5: gonna write her like this, and like this character should 758 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 5: be our friend Josie who we met at school. Yeah, 759 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 5: and like yeah, so we kind of shaped our show 760 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 5: based off of the talents that we and like people 761 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: and the people that we do. 762 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, genius, I love it. I love you two are 763 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: like literally like just doing it. And it's so like, 764 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. We'll have to do like a chicken 765 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: like six months to down the line. I just know 766 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: it's all gonna come to fruition for youture. So for 767 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: people listening that want to support, I know you've just 768 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: when this comes out, you will just relaunched crowd Is 769 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: it called crowd fundraising? 770 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: Is how we call it. Explain to me how people 771 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: can all have it all in the show notes as. 772 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 5: Well, Yes, so we're crowdfunding for the second time because 773 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: we need more money. Got yeah, because filmmaking and making 774 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 5: dreams come true is expensive. So yeah, so we basically 775 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 5: through this website called Seed and Spark, we are raising 776 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 5: money for like post production and stuff. So yeah, we 777 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 5: already filmed, we already did all that jazz, but we're 778 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 5: raising money for editing for like sound mixing things like that. 779 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 5: And then yeah, and then so our Spark is going 780 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 5: to launch on June eleventh. It's going to run for 781 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 5: a month, so it's gonna end like what July ninth, 782 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 5: And I'm I think our Seed and Spark is going 783 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 5: to be ww Seed and Sparks slash codependent slash, Codependent 784 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 5: Pilot slash one. 785 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll put it promise. 786 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 5: And then you can also follow our Instagram Codependent Pilot. 787 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, codependent Pilot. 788 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: I checked that this. 789 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 5: So you we have a we have like a bunch 790 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 5: of incentives. We have like little t shirts, some key 791 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 5: shirts yea, and yeah, so either donate or if you 792 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 5: can't like share all the Instagram, just like get something. 793 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 5: Anything helps, Like if you like have some friends who 794 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 5: like love indie filmmaking, send it over to them, you 795 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 5: know that kind of stuff. 796 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: Are you going to have a screening or like you 797 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: gonna have a little are okay? 798 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 5: Here in l a, here in La we're gonna do 799 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 5: like more of like an intimate when we're done with 800 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 5: the trailer and everything in the in the first uh, 801 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 5: when the fundraiser lunch happens, we're gonna do like a 802 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 5: little trailer like watch Party, I think. But then when 803 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 5: the actual pilot's done, we're going to do like we're 804 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 5: going to try to rent out a theater. 805 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: And we're gonna rent a theater. We're gonna, babe, We're gonna. 806 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: Rent out of theater. And also there's an incentive for that. 807 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 5: So if you want to be invited to the screening, 808 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 5: go click the link. 809 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: Do you have my favorite thing that I've noticed interviewing 810 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: you both? So when Weston wants to speak overweighth westn 811 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: will just do it. When Wade is ready to speak, 812 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: he'll just tap west and really gently on the arm. 813 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, right, And he's like, it's. 814 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: So fun to watch. 815 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: You have both been such a joy to interview and 816 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: also to work with, like I can't wait for more. 817 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: I have to say thank you for giving me so 818 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: out of my comfors zone rewriting that coffee order that 819 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: I was like having a mild anxiety attack trying to 820 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: learn on the spot, but it was so much fun. 821 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: So thank you like you. 822 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: I was so nervous in that moment, like sweaty palms. 823 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: I was always so hard when like a script change 824 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: and yeah. 825 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 2: Like thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you both. You're wonderful. 826 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for you. 827 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: To you at home, get involved, support, follow all the things. 828 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: I'll have it all in the show notes. Yes, that's 829 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 830 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: As always, thank you to our. 831 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: Guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at 832 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Yamo Lollerberry. This partty my work for podcast is available on. 833 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: All streaming platforms. 834 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate and comment 835 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: and of course spread the love.