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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the fourth of December.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: The Butterfly Foundation, which is the national charity dedicated to

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Speaker 2: supporting Ozzie's living with eating disorders, is expecting a surgeon

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Speaker 2: calls to its national helpline over the holiday period. They

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Speaker 2: say there was a fifteen percent increase of calls during

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two holiday period compared to the year before.

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Speaker 2: So in today's Deep Dive, tda's deputy editor, Emma Gillespie

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Speaker 2: will speak to Melissa Wilton from the Butterfly Foundation to

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Speaker 4: We do see an increase in hospital presents at this

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Speaker 2: But first let's do the headlines.

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Speaker 3: A twenty six year old man has been arrested after

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Speaker 3: a French citizen previously known to intelligence services, whilst French

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Speaker 3: President Emmanuel Macron called the incident a terror attack and

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Speaker 2: The Productivity Commission has called for the federal government to

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Speaker 2: the moment, Ozzie's can claim a tax deduction when giving

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Speaker 3: The Brisbane Lions have taken out the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: Researchers have rediscovered the de Winton's golden mole species, which

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Speaker 5: Melissa, Welcome to the Daily OS podcast. Thank you so

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Emma, it's lovely to be here.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about eating disorders in the holiday period, and

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Speaker 5: Butterfly Foundation is expecting at this time. What makes the

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Speaker 5: holiday period a difficult time for people with eating disorders

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Speaker 4: Sure, And we do see an increase in hospital presentations

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Speaker 5: How will the Butterfly Foundation respond to that increased demand

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Speaker 5: You work, of course in this space in supporting people

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Emma.

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Speaker 3: hundred thirty three forty six seventy three. Again, that's one

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Speaker 3: eight hundred thirty three forty six seventy three. We'll be

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Speaker 3: back in your years tomorrow morning. Until then, have a

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Speaker 3: great dab