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Speaker 1: Well it is time for the Week that was and

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning making his Week

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Speaker 1: that was debut, Steve Edgington here from Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, thanks.

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Speaker 1: So much for your time, and we've got nine News

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Speaker 1: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Candleen. We have got well, firstly, we've got.

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Speaker 4: And it's my brother's birthdact to you on the same day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I did that in those days. Get this baby out now.

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Speaker 1: And Eva Lola the treasurer of the perfect week to

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Speaker 1: have you on.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your morning, Katy.

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Speaker 1: And I was going to intro you last keys here

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Speaker 1: as the birthday girl, but you've got that spectacular shirt

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Speaker 1: on that says I'm special on the back, and well

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Speaker 1: it's your birthday, so you can do and wear whatever

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Speaker 1: you're like, are you, Yes, it is wonderful to have

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Speaker 1: you all in the studio. It has been I say

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Speaker 1: it every week, but it has been a massive week.

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Speaker 1: We know that the budget was handed down both here

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Speaker 1: in the territory and also federally, and we will get

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Speaker 1: to that, get to quite a bit of discussion about

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Speaker 1: that very shortly, but a lot of our listeners will

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Speaker 1: be learning for the first time right now that the

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Speaker 1: IKAC Commissioner, Michael Riches has released a report overnight. It

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Speaker 1: was tabled in Parliament, as I understand it into the

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Speaker 1: conduct of Well into the charging of zach Rov. So

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Speaker 1: the report looking into the conduct prior.

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Speaker 2: He says that he has.

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Speaker 1: Concluded that there was no improper conduct in respect to

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Speaker 1: the matters of the matters addressed in the report. So

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Speaker 1: while he has concluded that there was no improper conduct,

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Speaker 1: he thinks that the events offer an opportunity to reflect

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Speaker 1: and consider approaches in the future, and that all public officials,

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Speaker 1: when considering whether to comment publicly about any matter that

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Speaker 1: is the subject of investigation and or judicial process, should

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Speaker 1: consider whether it is appropriate to first take advice from

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Speaker 1: the relevant body as to any prejudicial effect that such

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Speaker 1: comment might have prejudicial. Now, obviously there was so much discussion,

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Speaker 1: you know, before there was so much sort of discussion

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Speaker 1: around the comments that were made by the then Chief

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Speaker 1: shooting of Kuman Jai Walker, and so much has been said,

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Speaker 1: I guess in this space. So that report has now

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Speaker 1: concluded that there was no improper conduct. Kathleen, I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: look through it too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I had to read of it last night.

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Speaker 5: So obviously it was in relation to that phrase that

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Speaker 5: Michael Gunner said at the community meeting, and and you

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Speaker 5: in themu at that consequences will flow as a broader

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Speaker 5: conversation about In the report, it outlines the broader conversation

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Speaker 5: that he said in terms of the coronial inquest, and

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Speaker 5: the coroner will look at it and go on from

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Speaker 5: that after speaking with the elders at the community and

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Speaker 5: they sink the report is so you know, Commissioner Richards

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Speaker 5: are interested, it's not a bad read because it does,

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Speaker 5: that those comments did have some sort of impact on

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Speaker 5: the police morale and that there was an impact on

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think that's a really important point about

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Speaker 6: no influence in the actual decision to charge. But you know,

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Speaker 6: the good advice that was in that report was for

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Speaker 6: And at times, you know, politicians get pushed by media

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Speaker 6: Everybody wants a fair trial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there was no doubt that the words

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Speaker 7: You read the full report, they've got the section.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were provocative, and it's like it's all about perceptions.

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Speaker 4: Like if I believe that that's what the intent of

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Speaker 5: But the Police Association is quoted in the report saying

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Speaker 5: that that Paul mckew is very unhappy with those words.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you came on.

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Speaker 3: Your about it, but you know, when you're looking got

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Speaker 8: Whilst the investigation says that it hasn't amounted to misconduct

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Speaker 8: using those words in public. Police officers heard that, their

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Speaker 8: I think many many people, even broadcast through the media

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Speaker 3: Have you read the report?

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Speaker 8: I haven't read the actually has the report, but I

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Speaker 6: Has the quote and it has I think it was

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Speaker 7: So I think you shouldn't read the report.

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Speaker 6: It's a very fair report obviously, but yes, let's not

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Speaker 6: let's be careful, but also we do need to understand

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Speaker 6: that it was such an emotionally charged situation, and yeah,

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Speaker 7: But read the report.

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Speaker 8: I think hindsight is a great thing and clearly the

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Speaker 7: And well we could argue around that.

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Speaker 6: as I said, as politicians, sometimes that's the thing you

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Speaker 8: I think common sense would say that in the middle

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Speaker 3: It's impacted right across the board. Right across the Northern Territy.

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Speaker 8: It's impacted on police, the role family, the Unimo community,

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that that whole situation and it

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Speaker 1: continues to have an ongoing impact on the community. There

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Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. We know the inquest continues. Look,

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Speaker 1: Parliament past amendments to the Sentencing Act for well, both

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Speaker 2: It is to establish a legislative.

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Speaker 1: Framework for community courts sentencing procedures. So essentially, what the

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Speaker 1: these community courts are going to help address and reduce

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Speaker 6: So basically, as the name suggests, it's actually about court,

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Speaker 7: Happening in the community. I think it's a great thing.

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Speaker 6: I think if people actually see the process that these

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Speaker 6: if they see, you know, the process, it's a bit

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Speaker 6: like in school, you know, if you actually can see

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Speaker 6: you know, what goes on. I think it's because often

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Speaker 6: it's seen as an abstract thing. You know, if somebody

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Speaker 7: Or years later. So I think it's a positive thing.

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Speaker 6: And I think it is about that information that informing

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Speaker 6: I think we do need to be reminded that there

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, people, and.

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Speaker 6: I keep reiterating out there, and I'm sure Steve will

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Speaker 6: and they need to see as I said that justice made.

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Speaker 1: It's no doubt though at the moment we've got a

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Speaker 1: really serious issue with that some of that crime spilling

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which is why we're building. And I knew when

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Speaker 6: I had this conversation during the week. We're building a

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Speaker 6: new police station, a permanent police present at Peppinati just.

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Speaker 1: On that has that funding also included staff to staff

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Speaker 6: Well, once we build the police station, that will be

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Speaker 6: the next process around that. But you know, the Northern

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Speaker 6: Territory No, no, let's just be clear. The Northern Territory

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Speaker 6: government gives the building and that's ninety millions for the building.

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Speaker 6: The police have a record budget. The police have a

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Speaker 6: record budget. That's then up to the Acting Commission of

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Speaker 6: Police to manage their stuff.

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Speaker 1: Battle though in terms of recruiting police, I mean we've

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Speaker 1: this week on the show about what they're doing in

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Speaker 1: Queensland to try to actually entice police, to entice people

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Speaker 1: to join the police force.

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Speaker 4: It's phenomenal fifty twenty thousand to join the police force

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Speaker 4: and then location one hundred and eighty four dollars.

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Speaker 2: Been hextas if you've got, if you've got, depending on.

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Speaker 4: What degree you've got, because it's competitive. It's super competitive

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Speaker 4: that we've seen that.

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Speaker 7: We've seen that in education.

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Speaker 8: When you've got ninety seven percent of the police saying

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Speaker 8: that they're not supported by the Northern Territory government. When

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Speaker 8: you see twenty thousand dollars being offered in Queensland, plus

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Speaker 8: your removeless costs are paid for, I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 8: there'll be a lot of police looking at options of Queensland.

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Speaker 8: We know that the government doesn't support the police.

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Speaker 3: Here, nothing in this year to do that. So here

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Speaker 8: Accuse you, because it wasn't that long ago that the

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us. It is Friday morning. It

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Speaker 1: Winscatlaygazola and Steve Edgington, the Member for Barkley. Now, as

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Speaker 1: How luck for you, you know, as someone who's grown up

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Speaker 5: of them were youths.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot.

443
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Speaker 5: That's one week.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I can't tell you the number of people. And

445
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that everybody in this room has heard the same.

446
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Speaker 1: We're really wonderful families saying, you know, O Katie, we're leaving.

447
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Speaker 2: You know, we're packing up our bags and we're leaving.

448
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Speaker 1: And it actually makes me feel really quite sad to

449
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Speaker 1: be O Katie.

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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what we're seeing across the Northern Territory

451
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Speaker 8: here in Dahen, the deaths, the stabbings, the amount of

452
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Speaker 8: vehicles being knocked off. When you look at the statistics

453
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Speaker 8: over a longer period of time, and I know we

454
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Speaker 8: talk about statistics over a week, over a month, over

455
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Speaker 8: a year, but you know, I monitor them over six

456
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Speaker 8: seven years. And you know, just looking at Palmeston, robbery

457
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Speaker 8: and related to the fences up three hundred and ninety

458
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Speaker 8: two percent just over the last six years. So that's

459
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Speaker 8: a massive number that we're talking about. In dahu And alone,

460
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Speaker 8: robbery and related to the fences two hundred and seventy

461
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Speaker 8: two percent. But even in Tenant Creek house breakings are

462
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Speaker 8: up three hundred and fifty percent just in the last

463
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Speaker 8: six years. And one of the things that I'm constantly

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Speaker 8: one of the things I've constantly asked the government what

465
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Speaker 8: is the plan to tackle crime?

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Speaker 3: Now?

467
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Speaker 8: We don't even have a plan to tackle crime in

468
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Speaker 8: the Northern territy. This is one of the most worrying

469
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Speaker 8: things coming from my background, is that there's no over oral.

470
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Speaker 3: Crime reduction plan for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of piecemeal policies and the government will

472
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Speaker 8: tell the government will tell you they're doing all these

473
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Speaker 8: bits and pieces, but there's no overall.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon they need to do?

475
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Speaker 1: You know, based on your background, what do you reckon

476
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Speaker 1: they need to Firstly, we need to.

477
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Speaker 8: Get a plan together. We need to understand what the

478
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Speaker 8: issues are. We need to understand what the underlying are

479
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Speaker 8: the scope, but there needs to be a collaborative approach.

480
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Speaker 8: We know that there's not enough police. Police can't do

481
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Speaker 8: this alone. There's a role for every government department, there's

482
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Speaker 8: a role for every non government agency. Without a plan

483
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Speaker 8: pointing out what everybody should be doing to tackle these issues,

484
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Speaker 8: we're really got a piecemeal approach to these matters. We

485
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Speaker 8: need to improve the laws. We've spoken about bail laws.

486
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Speaker 8: We've spoken about the revolving door of bail. We've spoken

487
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Speaker 8: about mandatory sentencing. We've spoken about early intervention and prevention.

488
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Speaker 8: There's a whole range of things that can be tackled

489
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Speaker 8: from both ends. Early intervention and prevention, a longer term

490
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Speaker 8: approach to crime, but there needs to be immediate, short medium,

491
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Speaker 8: a longer term approach.

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Speaker 3: To sun Right now, the issue is that it's not

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Speaker 3: happening at the moment.

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Speaker 6: But this is what you do, Steve. You're just talking

495
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Speaker 6: these broad motherhoods.

496
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Speaker 3: Plan and plan to tackle crime.

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Speaker 8: Things are going to get a lot worse and worse

498
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Speaker 8: and worse because this government has no plan and genuinely

499
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Speaker 8: no idea.

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Speaker 1: When yesterday while that rally was happening outside of Parliament,

501
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Speaker 1: I was I think the thing that made me feel

502
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Speaker 1: quite disheartened or most disheartened was to hear you know,

503
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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister then, and I get it's the theatrics

504
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Speaker 1: of Parliament, but to be saying, you know, stop talking

505
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Speaker 1: the territory down.

506
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Speaker 4: That's a cliche. And you know, I don't think you

507
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Speaker 4: said it. I know I call you saying it in parliament,

508
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Speaker 4: but it really has to stop saying. It's just bullshit.

509
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Speaker 4: No one is talking the territory down. I mean, we're

510
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Speaker 4: the best place in the country apart from what's happening

511
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Speaker 4: with our crime at the moment, and you know, we

512
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Speaker 4: have got a lot of potential in whole heap of

513
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Speaker 4: ways and areas. To just stop the rhetoric because that's

514
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Speaker 4: what is pulling the government down, is this bullshit that

515
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Speaker 4: they keep coming out and it's clich and we're working hard, well,

516
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Speaker 4: we know you're working hard, everyone's working everybody. There is

517
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Speaker 4: an issue.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing I've always said, it's dividing the community.

519
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Speaker 1: And that's what I find. That's what I think's upsetting

520
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Speaker 1: is you like, people are really upset. They're really upset

521
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Speaker 1: with what's going on on. Myself, I'm struggling not to

522
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Speaker 1: feel emotional about the way that things.

523
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Speaker 4: Are in that week that Darlin Chin shop for that

524
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Speaker 4: day that the glass got broken, which is one inch stick.

525
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Speaker 4: That's what it's so expensive, puddling a post office broken

526
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Speaker 4: into and all the passes ripped out and chucked all

527
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Speaker 4: over the street. Cafe Blissimo, Tony's Pace broken into Birds

528
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Speaker 4: of Paradise broken into all in one night, Humpty do

529
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Speaker 4: Tavern ram rated. We've had the noon my pub ran.

530
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Speaker 4: We've had berry Springs round rated a couple of times.

531
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Speaker 4: It is coming out into the rule air, and we

532
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Speaker 4: thought we were a little bit immune because of the space.

533
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Speaker 8: Every week, I'll we're able to respond to COVID as

534
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Speaker 8: an emergengency. That's here we are with a crime emergency,

535
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Speaker 8: but we haven't we haven't put resources in place to

536
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Speaker 8: deal with it as an emerg.

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Speaker 1: The government before I've said it before, and I had

538
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Speaker 1: the discussion with the Chief Minister earlier in the week

539
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Speaker 1: and people were really again really quite disheartened after hearing

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Speaker 1: from the Chief Minister through the week that even though

541
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Speaker 1: we'd had a situation where an international student was allegedly

542
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Speaker 1: murdered inside his home, that there doesn't seem to be

543
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Speaker 1: that sense of urgency from the Northern Territory government. Even

544
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Speaker 1: what hope can you give people listening this morning myself

545
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Speaker 1: included that things are going to start to turn around

546
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Speaker 1: and that this is going to be a safe place

547
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Speaker 1: for us to raise our kids. I know, like I

548
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Speaker 1: know that you care about that.

549
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Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, Katie, But you know, these issues are long term.

550
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Speaker 7: We didn't get to this point just overnight.

551
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Speaker 2: No, no doubt, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But there needs to be a stop gap and that's

553
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Speaker 1: that urgency that people want to hear and belief.

554
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Speaker 6: So it is it is the various agencies that continue

555
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Speaker 6: to do the work that they need to do. So

556
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 6: it is police and police are doing what you know,

557
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 6: are doing an amazing job. You know you're talking about

558
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 6: stolen vehicles, well, absolutely working hard to address those issues.

559
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Speaker 6: But then it is this really heavy lifting work of

560
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 6: territory families around that, and you know, we see the

561
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 6: youth justice facilities are full, you know, so there is

562
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Speaker 6: a lot of work around that.

563
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Speaker 2: But there are reasons they're full and people are breaking that.

564
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Speaker 6: So it then gets back to those things that we're

565
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Speaker 6: talking about in the remote meantime. I'm sure there's things

566
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Speaker 6: to do for Younge.

567
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Speaker 2: In the meantime.

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Speaker 1: We had just a little bit earlier this morning on

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Speaker 1: the ABC. I want to point this out. They did

570
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Speaker 1: have a man on the ABC, Kathleen, I can't I

571
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Speaker 1: don't know if you.

572
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Speaker 5: Recall from B two M.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so from the band here. They were referring to

574
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Speaker 1: him as Yellow. I'm not sure what his full name is.

575
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Speaker 1: He had similar words to what I've heard on this

576
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Speaker 1: show before from from Helen's secretary, and that is that

577
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Speaker 1: if we've got people here from communities that are doing

578
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Speaker 1: the right thing, you know, how can we contact the

579
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Speaker 1: land council to make sure that they are then going

580
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Speaker 1: back to their communities and that they're not engaging in

581
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: bad behavior. Now I don't know exactly where people are

582
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: coming in from, but if they're coming here onto Larachie

583
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Speaker 1: Land and they're not respecting to Larachie land.

584
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Speaker 2: Well, why are they allowed to continue to do it?

585
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so there is so Laroche nation and they do

586
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Speaker 6: have government funding to actually return people to country, and

587
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 6: that happens all the time. So Larakiir have a very

588
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 6: strong presence in that place. You see the Larachie vans

589
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 6: traveling around, you see them. I see them at Palmeson,

590
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Speaker 6: particularly on a Friday night, picking up people, taking them

591
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 6: to dry out or whatever needs to happen, and then

592
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Speaker 6: returning those people to country. So absolutely, but sometimes I

593
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 6: think those people aren't always welcoming their own communities either.

594
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Speaker 6: They've caused trouble in their own communities and sometimes have.

595
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Speaker 7: Been Yeah, they've moved them out really, so it is

596
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Speaker 7: a difficult way.

597
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Speaker 8: There's been plenty of things that have worked over the years.

598
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Speaker 8: And as I went back to nineteen ninety five, there

599
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Speaker 8: was law and justice strategies in place, there was law

600
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Speaker 8: and justice committees in place in communities. In two thousand

601
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Speaker 8: and five the Labor government scrapped it. Here we are

602
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Speaker 8: eighteen years later trying to resurrect a community, community justice groups,

603
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Speaker 8: community court sentencing. All of this is sixteen years behind.

604
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Speaker 8: So over the last sixteen years, nothing has been done.

605
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Speaker 8: But on top of that, the Labor government scrapped every

606
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Speaker 8: community government council back in two.

607
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Speaker 3: Thousand and eight.

608
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Speaker 8: So what we have at the moment is no structure

609
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Speaker 8: in many of the remote communities. So without a law

610
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Speaker 8: and Justice committee, without a community government council, the lack

611
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 8: of structure in those communities because some of the things

612
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 8: that those law and justice committees can do is set

613
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Speaker 8: up community protocols. So there's no reason why they can't

614
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Speaker 8: be protocols between Larikir.

615
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: Breaking those protocols the exactly.

616
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Speaker 8: And some of the language groups right across the Northern Territory.

617
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Speaker 8: We had these in place in the Berkley back in

618
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Speaker 8: the nineties.

619
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Speaker 3: So here we are.

620
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Speaker 8: There's plenty of things that have worked over the years.

621
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Speaker 8: What we've seen as a gradual erosion of these things

622
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Speaker 8: that have worked by the Labor government. Now we're behind

623
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Speaker 8: trying to play catch up.

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Speaker 5: I think some providing of time frames, like you know,

625
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Speaker 5: I think everyone agrees that a different approach is good

626
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Speaker 5: if there's going to be generational change and it helps

627
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Speaker 5: the community and you know, first nations people and most vulnerable.

628
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Speaker 2: Get on the top. We've been hearing that for.

629
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Speaker 5: Years exactly, So like when are we going to when

630
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Speaker 5: is it? I mean obviously government doesn't want to be

631
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Speaker 5: wedded to an exact date, of course, because then if

632
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 5: they miss it, then they get criticized. But some kind

633
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Speaker 5: of time frames. I mean, even the bail review, we

634
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Speaker 5: still have no clue as to when that's meant to

635
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Speaker 5: be finished. And that's just you know, told that it

636
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 5: will continue on as long.

637
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Speaker 2: As it needs to.

638
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Speaker 5: But we're obviously seeing major issues and people need that Repriever.

639
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: How long do these things out?

640
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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

641
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: bit of a bride, got it if we're going to

642
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: get those answers today.

643
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Speaker 2: To cape Warden some of those about it again earlier

644
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Speaker 2: in the way, and.

645
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Speaker 8: We're facing an emergency. How long these reviews? Well, it's

646
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Speaker 8: an emergency. Reviews can't go on forever.

647
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, we are going to take a bit of

648
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Speaker 1: a break. You are listening to Mix one oh four

649
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Speaker 1: nine's three p.

650
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Speaker 2: Sixty.

651
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined us,

652
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Speaker 1: see it is the week that was in the studio

653
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Speaker 1: Evil Ala Keesi Epuric, Kathleen Gazola and Steve Edgington. Now

654
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Speaker 1: we know that the budget was indeed handed down evil Ala,

655
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Speaker 1: the Treasurer's first budget in the role, and the federal

656
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Speaker 1: budget was also handed down this week as well by

657
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Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers and well. The Northern Territory is set to

658
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Speaker 1: see some massive spends on roads and housing and a

659
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Speaker 1: significant increase in funding to the overwhelmed prison sector. The

660
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Speaker 1: budget sees a record two point one point one billion

661
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Speaker 1: dollars spend on infrastructure this fiscal year from one point

662
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Speaker 1: seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: There is no doubt, plenty of.

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Speaker 1: Spending on infrastructure and and you know needed no doubt

665
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Speaker 1: about it, but we are.

666
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: In some pretty big debt as well, aren't we.

667
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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, Katie.

668
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Speaker 6: As I said, it was a great week, especially for

669
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 6: people who like budgets a double whammy, but it was

670
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 6: very much a budget that balanced that economic and socials

671
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 6: and that's one of the difficult things in the territory.

672
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 6: You can't have one without the other, or overdo one

673
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 6: or the other. So there was a strong, really strong

674
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 6: spend around infrastructure, and a lot of that is around

675
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 6: setting things up for industry for the future, making sure,

676
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 6: but also roads for locals as well. So a really

677
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 6: strong infrastructure spend but balanced with a spend on that

678
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 6: social side. So we saw twenty million for domestic violence,

679
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 6: which we're talking about crime. The police will tell you that,

680
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 6: you know, twenty thirty sometimes forty callouts in a night,

681
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 6: and the jails are eighty percent of people in our

682
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 6: jails are there because of domestic violence. So a large

683
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 6: substantial amount of money that's gone into domestic violence, so

684
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 6: you can address some of those issues earlier on. So,

685
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 6: as I said, I think it was found a nice balance.

686
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 6: We are having an operating surplus in next year, but

687
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 6: also a fiscal surplus in twenty twenty five twenty six

688
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 6: of about sixty seven million dollars. So yes, you know,

689
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 6: when you get to a surplus, that's when you can

690
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 6: pay down debt, and we saw that with the federal

691
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 6: budget and nice surprise with the federal budget having a

692
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 6: really considerable surplus and being able to pay down some

693
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 6: of the trillion dollar debt that the Feds have got.

694
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 6: So I think it was a sensible budget, a budget

695
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 6: that really earmarked our spends, particularly around infrastructure and areas

696
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 6: of need, so as you said, modular facilities in Alice

697
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 6: Springs to make sure we can address the prison numbers

698
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 6: there also facilities another ward in RDH to look at

699
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: that surge, so a good overall budget.

700
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Speaker 1: Karen Early from the United Workers' Union, she'd asked, is

701
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: it are those modular things for the for the prisons?

702
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Are they just a fancy word for donners? Well the.

703
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 6: Well, the different people have been looking in New South Wales,

704
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 6: so New South Wales have a similar New South Wales

705
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 6: has a similar setup, and so they've been looking at

706
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 6: what they've done into states.

707
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Speaker 2: I mean, I said it to you on Wednesday.

708
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Speaker 1: I think it was that I don't think a lot

709
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: of people will be I mean, I know some people

710
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: will be unhappy that we're doing more to sort of

711
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: build the prison. So I know Jerry would have messaged

712
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: me a bit earlier and said, you know, Katie, are

713
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: they doing anything in terms of making sure that with

714
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Speaker 1: the corrections, with that correction's money, is any of it

715
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Speaker 1: going to new work camps or to get people out

716
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: of the big prison to work near local communities.

717
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

718
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Speaker 6: As I said, I think that the budget was this

719
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 6: budget was all about making sure that we've got enough

720
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Speaker 6: corrections or correctional offices as well as, as I said,

721
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Speaker 6: upgrading those facilities first and foremost.

722
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Speaker 4: Katie, I haven't gone through this. I've been through some

723
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: of them, not all of it. But one of the

724
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Speaker 4: iss we're linking back to the crime is in the

725
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Speaker 4: health area.

726
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Speaker 1: Now.

727
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Speaker 4: I don't know where the health received a substantial budget,

728
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 4: but they probably need to because I've just been getting

729
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: some information from someone like prevention, like we talk about

730
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: school based constables, and I might even just have to

731
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: write to mister Murphy myself rather than the Minutes, to say,

732
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Speaker 4: please consider the school based constables prevention. But the other

733
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: thing is my niece works in ot sh operational therapists

734
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Speaker 4: for children, and she's just told me there's a two

735
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: and a half year wait list to see an ear

736
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: nose throat doctor in the public sector. Now, a lot

737
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: of the people in remote communities need you know, they

738
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 4: get infections, which causes hearing issues, which causes schools, which

739
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: called behavior. And so what you were saying before, I think, Steve,

740
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 4: about more collaborative departments. There needs to be a real

741
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: collaborative approach between the let's call them a specialist kind

742
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: of health. Things like when my niece set up here

743
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: about our six months ago, she's already in a dated

744
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: with public kind of clients and Indez one woman was

745
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: waiting two years to see that's where government needs to

746
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: spend money in more. I know it's sad that we

747
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: have to spend money because we've got sick community, but

748
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: that's where the smart thinking comes from.

749
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Speaker 8: Well, these are the interesting things coming out of the budget.

750
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Speaker 8: I think Eva described delivering the budget as the best

751
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 8: day of her life. But there was very little in there,

752
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 8: very little there to tackle crime.

753
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 9: But at the same time, but at the same time

754
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 9: as announcing the budget, we saw an increase in power

755
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 9: bills across the board.

756
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 8: So you know, there's enough cost pressures on families at

757
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 8: the moment. But getting back to some of those issues

758
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 8: and the budget, you know, I think it was April

759
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 8: last year Labor promised thirty renal units for communities leading

760
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 8: up to the federal election, five hundred Aboriginal health workers.

761
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 8: I've seen nothing in the budget when it comes to

762
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Speaker 8: talking about renal units and communities.

763
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Speaker 3: And we talk about the movement between a couple of

764
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: weeks ago.

765
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Speaker 8: And we talk about the movement of people in communities,

766
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Speaker 8: a lack of structure in communities. Many families have to

767
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 8: move between communities to the larger centers just to access

768
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 8: renal dialysis. There's clearly not enough in the communities.

769
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Speaker 3: But when we look at.

770
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Speaker 8: The budget overall, I picked up the regional report, you know,

771
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 8: coming from the Berkley and it was just about a

772
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 8: duplicate of last year. There's been so much carryover of money.

773
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 8: The people of Tenant Creek have been waiting years and

774
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 8: years and years for projects to be delivered. Purpose reserve

775
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 8: upgrade was promised five years ago, an upgrade of the

776
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Speaker 8: main street promise five years ago.

777
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: When it comes to.

778
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 8: Alcohol rehabilitation, July the fourth, twenty eighteen, nearly five years ago,

779
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Speaker 8: the government promised to build a new rehabilitation facility in

780
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Speaker 8: Tenet Creek, but not one shovel has hit the ground.

781
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 8: In boro Lula, there's a shortage of housing. There's been

782
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 8: money carried over, there's been money budget. There's been money

783
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 8: in the budget carried over now for the last three

784
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 8: to four years to build to construct thirty five lots

785
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 8: in Borolula, a shovel still hasn't.

786
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: Hit the ground.

787
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 8: When we talk about Nick and Ninu, the Arts trail,

788
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 8: for example, twenty sixteen, there was ten million dollars promised,

789
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 8: not one shovel a.

790
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: Stop promising, get movies well.

791
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 8: Stop promising, stop carrying over these projects because always seeing

792
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 8: as many promises but not much getting delivered.

793
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 7: Absolutely not correct at all, Steve.

794
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 6: There, it is correct that last chance, because I was

795
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 6: intending Creek about two weeks ago, drove through without no

796
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 6: I was in ten and Creek and had a good,

797
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 6: good visit with the schools there.

798
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: Did you hit those poles?

799
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 7: One point seven?

800
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 6: It was one point seven nine billion dollar infrastructure budget

801
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 6: last in the twenty two to twenty three year and

802
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 6: we're going to spend one hundred million more than that.

803
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 7: But of course there are projects.

804
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 6: There are always projects that have started the design work

805
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 6: and then moved through. But also sometimes there's complexity Stephen.

806
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: You know that as good as I do around making

807
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 6: sure you consult with community around projects, that you have

808
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 6: to deal with land councils around those projects as well.

809
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 6: So there are some complexities around projects in the Northern Territory,

810
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: particularly in our remote Look at tourism.

811
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 8: You know, here we have the government throwing all of

812
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 8: this money into marketing the territory without dealing with the

813
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 8: crime issues, and the Northern Territory without dealing with the

814
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 8: important infrastructure issues to attract tourists to the Northern Territory.

815
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: It's about roads.

816
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 8: You know, when you come into the Northern Territory, you're

817
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 8: getting faced with potholes in the road.

818
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: Possible damage to your ear, these sorts of things.

819
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 8: And when you look at places in Chennet Creek, you've

820
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 8: got the government promoting things like Battery Hill Mining Center

821
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 8: in Chennick Creek, but the underground tours closed. You can't

822
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 8: tour the gold stamp battery because it's all closed.

823
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 7: The pothole issue.

824
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 6: So we have had a very wet wet We've had

825
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 6: cyclone Elly, We've had three months ago. Lots of things

826
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 6: around that and we've had to have and there is

827
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 6: a plan, Steve, a plan.

828
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 7: You like a plan.

829
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 6: There is a plan and some of the priorities around

830
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 6: opening up some of the roads that were completely roads

831
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 6: to pigeonhole places like that have had to be done.

832
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 6: It's in around the high speed areas has been a focus.

833
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 6: And Steve, you know that I drove the road from

834
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 6: Alice Wings to Tenant Creek. You can see the road

835
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 6: works that are happening there upgrading those areas that were

836
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 6: flooded between Alison Tenant Creek.

837
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 8: When you can't fix the next thing wiped out and

838
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 8: you still can't get.

839
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 6: It well, So that's I.

840
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: Know how, I know how you fix the pothole in

841
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 4: the main street draw Rude things that have sill get

842
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: fixed from time.

843
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: Happened to just residents.

844
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 8: It's the transport industry that are calling me and complaining

845
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 8: about the Berkley holl That's how bad it is.

846
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.

847
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.

848
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

849
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: It is the week that was.

850
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: There has been a lot to cover off this week,

851
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: I guess in what's been some interesting news is there

852
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: has been some rumblings well again about the CLP leadership.

853
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: And the interesting part is that it never seems to

854
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: be amongst the parliamentary wing, but more so the rank

855
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: and file. So a no confidence motion apparently in the

856
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: country Liberal parties Leofanokio is going to be tabled at

857
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: the upcoming members meetings. So it was submitted as I

858
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: understand it, by the party's Litchfield branch Keysier. I can

859
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: see you are busting to say something I.

860
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: Know that the to go behind this motion. Look, I've spoken

861
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: about this before. If it's not someone within the branch,

862
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: it's some mischief maker within the Labor Party and vice versa.

863
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 6: Looking at it, even we've got enough to do the stuff, enough.

864
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 7: Mischief making in their own page.

865
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Even looks genuinely like she wants nothing to do with it.

866
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: She wants nothing to do with leadership. She's just going

867
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: to be the treasurer. I'm very happy to be and

868
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: dipple that's important.

869
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: Kay.

870
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: Look this pops up. It's like a bloody bad penny,

871
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: you know, like it's if it's not. I mean when

872
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, I heard stories, Oh you know,

873
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: Natasha's in trouble. You know, when you when Nicole came

874
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: out and contradicted her about the HOWD Springs damage and

875
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: things like that, And it's the same. Look, you can't

876
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: please all of the people all of the time. And

877
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: that particular branch, well, I know the people in that branch,

878
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 4: and it's probably best that I don't say anything about

879
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: them on air.

880
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because so good plan into legal trouble.

881
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 4: And don't get me into legal trouble. But you know,

882
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Speaker 4: I just think It's just one of those things.

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Speaker 7: The media likes it, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, because it conflict and conflict cell stories. Let's be honest.

885
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Speaker 4: You know, you look at any media story that's got conflict,

886
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Speaker 4: it sells. But what about you, Steve, you should maybe

887
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Speaker 4: put your head in the ring.

888
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Speaker 1: Is the one that gets deposition when your shadow portfolio.

889
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Speaker 3: I've got quite a few attorney generally.

890
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Speaker 4: Like mister t. Bill and I were having a little

891
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Speaker 4: chat about Rhodes actually yesterday and when I went and

892
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Speaker 4: sat down, one of my colleagues said, oh, you're having

893
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Speaker 4: a Kiffer meeting?

894
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Speaker 6: Are you kiffers when all the treasurers get together in Australia?

895
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Speaker 7: So it was.

896
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Speaker 6: And after back having a treasurer's meeting, so it was yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well Step in all seriousness, though, your name is the

898
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Speaker 1: one that gets thrown up when there is any leadership

899
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Speaker 1: speculation that you know that it's that it's you who's.

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Speaker 2: Ready to jump in there and take over for Leah.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting because it's labor that keeps throwing my

902
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Speaker 8: name up. And if you're in Parliament yesterday, I'll tell

903
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Speaker 8: you what. Selena Yebo went right through my resume. She

904
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Speaker 8: put it on the parliamentary record. She told everybody listening

905
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Speaker 8: out there last night apparently apparently how good the Member

906
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Speaker 8: for Barclay is.

907
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Speaker 3: She rattled off every qualification I've got. The only thing,

908
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Speaker 3: the only thing she did. The only thing she.

909
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Speaker 8: Didn't say was where I've worked over the years. I

910
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Speaker 8: think she said, I've got to the diverse experience background.

911
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Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what, the Labor Party was pretty

912
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Speaker 8: impressed with my background.

913
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Speaker 9: So thanks for that to do the numbers for you

914
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Speaker 9: for getting back to you know, the Labor Party was

915
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Speaker 9: showing this motion in Parliament the other day.

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Speaker 8: And you know from our perspective, I suppose from the members,

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Speaker 8: from the elected members perspective for where he is just

918
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Speaker 8: getting on with the job. You know, where a united

919
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Speaker 8: team there's a strong seven seven members and we're out

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Speaker 8: and about, not only here in Darwin but out.

921
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Speaker 3: Now's doing the job.

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Speaker 1: When you've sort of got rank and file members that

923
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Speaker 1: are having a crack then about you know about stuff

924
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Speaker 1: like that, or having a crack at at the leadership.

925
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, as Keys you said, there's things that

926
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Speaker 8: happen in parties. There's a whole range of things. You're

927
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Speaker 8: never going to be able to please everybody around what's

928
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Speaker 8: going on in any political party, And clearly this branch

929
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Speaker 8: is having their say that'll be coming up what in June?

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Speaker 3: I think the next.

931
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Speaker 8: Central Council is so it's quite some time off. But look,

932
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Speaker 8: as elected members, we're out there.

933
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Speaker 3: Doing the job.

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Speaker 5: Charlesi who said disunity is death in politics, isn't it,

935
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Speaker 5: and I mean yeah, came out the other day saying yes,

936
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Speaker 5: it is disappointing.

937
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Speaker 6: The underlying issue is obviously the voice, and so this

938
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Speaker 6: is the issue they have got not with this thing.

939
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Speaker 3: It's not that.

940
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Speaker 6: Disunity between what just Enterprice is saying and her position

941
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Speaker 6: and then obviously the parliamentary wing. So that's what's underlying that,

942
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Speaker 6: and that's in that motion. And I think what's your

943
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: position on the voice?

944
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Speaker 8: Well, we've made our position very clear for many, many months.

945
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Speaker 8: What we want to see is the Labor Party, rather

946
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Speaker 8: than talking about the voice, come out and tell.

947
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Speaker 3: People what the voice is actually about.

948
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Speaker 7: But you know what your position about the voice.

949
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Speaker 8: Not one person from the federalstration, not one person from

950
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Speaker 8: the federal government, has set foot in the Barklay to

951
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Speaker 8: tell any of the constituents what the voice.

952
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Speaker 3: Is all about.

953
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Speaker 8: So here you have here you have a political party

954
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Speaker 8: out saying, oh, you've got to vote for this. So

955
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Speaker 8: the thing is they won't tell people in my regions

956
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Speaker 8: what you're actually voting for.

957
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Speaker 10: But it's also and if you're going to things going

958
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Speaker 10: to be though, is you know, the vote for the

959
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Speaker 10: Voice is going to be towards the end of this

960
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Speaker 10: year October this year, then the next Northern Territory elections

961
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Speaker 10: not till August next year.

962
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Speaker 1: So I don't think that it's going to be the

963
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Speaker 1: issue that the Northern Territory Labor Party is potentially hoping

964
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Speaker 1: that it's going to be, you know.

965
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Speaker 2: At the election next year, hoping at all. Well, so

966
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Speaker 2: in terms of their distunity, we.

967
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Speaker 8: Can't just say, though, Katie, not one person. I think

968
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Speaker 8: probably about two or three months ago, one person approached

969
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Speaker 8: me and wanted to talk about the Voice. But in

970
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Speaker 8: the last two months, not one person in my electorate

971
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Speaker 8: has even raised the issue or the voice because nobody

972
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Speaker 8: knows about it. The Labor Party, who are out there saying, look,

973
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Speaker 8: you've got to vote yes, You've got to vote yes,

974
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Speaker 8: won't talk to the people.

975
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Speaker 3: They won't even tell them.

976
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Speaker 8: The people living in communities, they don't have the same

977
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Speaker 8: access to the media.

978
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Speaker 3: They don't have people out there.

979
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Speaker 8: Talking about the three G let alone four G exactly.

980
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Speaker 8: So the issue that Labour keeps throwing up. All I

981
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Speaker 8: want is to see that my constituents are not only

982
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Speaker 8: spoken about it, but they can make an informed decision

983
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Speaker 8: when this referendum does come up.

984
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Speaker 7: There are people doing that work.

985
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 8: Now, there aren't people out there. There's nobody out there

986
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Speaker 8: at the moment. To Katie, I can assure you there's

987
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Speaker 8: nobody in my region. My electorates the biggest in the

988
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Speaker 8: Northern territory, four hundred and forty three thousand square kilometers,

989
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Speaker 8: and not one labor person has been out there to

990
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Speaker 8: talk about the thing.

991
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Speaker 5: Only the Prime Minister spends a couple hours on the

992
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Speaker 5: ground when it comes to the non territory.

993
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it needs to be a bit more. I

994
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Speaker 2: think at the moment.

995
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Speaker 4: That's just so he can put on his resume where

996
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Speaker 4: have you been.

997
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, and then you can't get a beer because there's

998
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Speaker 2: restricted aims seriousness.

999
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Speaker 1: So I do think that territorianes are you know, they

1000
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Speaker 1: are at a point where they do want to see

1001
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister back in the territory for a little

1002
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Speaker 1: bit more time. Time so that he can actually see

1003
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Speaker 1: some of the issues that we are dealing with. Why

1004
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: do we need him, I think because he's the leader

1005
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: of Australia.

1006
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Speaker 8: Chief Actually, why can't the Chief Minister get on with

1007
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Speaker 8: it and put a plan together to make it a better.

1008
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Speaker 3: Safer place government.

1009
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Speaker 4: They were elected, they got into government, they had the

1010
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Speaker 4: most on the winning team. They should sort out the

1011
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Speaker 4: issues marriage scrimgall Malandaria McCarthy and Luke Gosling. Our federal members.

1012
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Speaker 4: If people listening out there have issues with anything, whether

1013
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: it be the federal issue, even a local issue, go

1014
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: and see your federal members and then go and see

1015
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Speaker 4: your local issue.

1016
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Speaker 3: I have.

1017
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Speaker 8: Is the Prime Minister keep having to tell Natasha files job.

1018
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Speaker 8: That's not and this is very clear with THEWS. The

1019
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister had to tell the Labor government here how

1020
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Speaker 8: to do their job. Well, that's absolutely appalling when we've

1021
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Speaker 8: got an incompetent government.

1022
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Speaker 1: The biggest issue I've got right now is I'm going

1023
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Speaker 1: to play the National.

1024
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Speaker 2: News just so we are going to have to wrap

1025
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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington from Tennant Creek, the Member for Barkley, thank

1027
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Speaker 1: you for your time this morning.

1028
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 3: Thank you and great to be here.

1029
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine Newstar, and thank you for your

1030
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Speaker 1: time this morning and the birthday girl, Caisie.

1031
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Speaker 4: If you're a champagne breakfast, thank god you didn't have

1032
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Speaker 4: a pot on.

1033
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Speaker 6: You for the Italian Festival too. My heritage is Italian,

1034
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Speaker 6: so you'll be down there. We're having the pastor and pizza.

1035
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Speaker 1: Yes, wonderful stuff. I agree with you. Thank you all

1036
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Speaker 1: so very much for your time this morning. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine three sixty