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Speaker 1: It is that time for the week that was and

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning. Where shall I start?

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Speaker 1: Nicole Madison, the Deputy Chief Minister, Good morning to you, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, Good morning everyone.

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Speaker 1: And we've still got Keesier Puric, the Independent member for Goida,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Keezier, Morning Katie, Morning Bush people.

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Speaker 1: We've got Georgie Dickerson from nine Years Star and good

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Speaker 1: morning to you. Good morning Katie, Happy Friday, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Joe Hersey from Catherine. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Joe, Good morning Katie, and good morning Catherine people.

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Speaker 1: Oh it looks like it's going to be a warm

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Speaker 1: onning Catherine.

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Speaker 4: Ford as well. So hot, it's been horrible.

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Speaker 1: How's the humidity though, is it a little bit better?

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Speaker 3: It's not as humid as is here, but it's just hot, yeah,

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Speaker 3: warm and moist up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pluck stepping into an oven anyway. Hey, there's so

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Speaker 1: much going on at the moment and unfortunately this morning,

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Speaker 1: I will just make our listeners aware. I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people will have been caught up in this,

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Speaker 1: but a cyclist is in a critical condition after they

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Speaker 1: were hit by a car on well on the it

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Speaker 1: Highway by the look of it. The nt Police Northern

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Speaker 1: Watch Commander Tanya Woodcock has said the cyclist had been

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Speaker 1: taken to Royal Darwin Hospital for treatment after the crash

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Speaker 1: after five a m. This morning. So a driver collided

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Speaker 1: with a cyclist after a single vehicle crash at the

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Speaker 1: Stuart Highway and Wolne Road intersection. She said that the

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Speaker 1: Major Crash Investigations Unit was on the scene and going

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Speaker 1: to determine the cause of that crash. But it does

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Speaker 1: sound it sounds like a terrible situation there.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I jove past the scene on the way in

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Speaker 2: Katie and there's a car flipped. Looks terrible and just

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Speaker 2: again just you know, when we're all on the roads together,

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Speaker 2: just look out for each other. And you know, do

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Speaker 2: all of those affected by it just you know, hope,

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Speaker 2: hope all the best for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sime, I do hope that they're all okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, especially when you just think you're going out

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Speaker 3: from morning exercise and something like that happens.

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Speaker 4: It's tragic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, let's get into the movements

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Speaker 1: of the week, and I tell you what, there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot going on and.

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Speaker 4: We had bad last week.

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Speaker 1: But I tell you what, we kept our chairs where

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Speaker 1: we always sit on a Friday's interesting.

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Speaker 2: When you call me a left I don't know if

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Speaker 2: everybody would agree with that look.

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Speaker 1: It was after much speculation the Chief Minister, Natasha Files

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Speaker 1: announced that new cabinet team as part of what she

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Speaker 1: described as a renewed, reshuffled and refocused Territory government, saying

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Speaker 1: the Territory's cabinet team has the experience, the energy and

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Speaker 1: ideas to keep building the territory's future. Now we know

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Speaker 1: that there's two new appointments to the cabinet. The Member

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Speaker 1: for Fanny Bay Brent Potter appointed the Minister for Police,

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Speaker 1: Minister for Fire and Emergency Services and the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs. Now the second new appointment is the Member

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Speaker 1: for Johnson, Joel Bowden. Mister Bowden's going to serve as

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Infrastructure, Planning and Logistics, the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Business and Jobs and the Minister for Skills, Training and

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Speaker 1: International Education, as well as Tourism and Hospitality and recreational fishing.

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Speaker 1: Of course, with those new appointments comes a couple of

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Speaker 1: demotions Lauren Moss and Paul Kirby kicked from the cabinet

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Speaker 1: and I've got to say without a thank you in

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Speaker 1: the press release, I noted.

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Speaker 5: I saw that they weren't even acknowledged. Not thanks for

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Speaker 5: all your hard work, Minister Moss, thanks Minister Kirby for

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Speaker 5: all your hard work. Nothing like they never existed. Shame job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I will say thank you. You know, let's

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Speaker 2: be really clear here. We've made a decision. The Chief

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Speaker 2: has led a decision there. She's backed in by the

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Speaker 2: team for renewal within the cabinet and to have a

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Speaker 2: look at the portfolio distribution as well, to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we are out there working as hard as we

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Speaker 2: can on the issues that are important for territories each

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Speaker 2: and every day.

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Speaker 1: You know, they gave.

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Speaker 2: A lot of hard work and effort and they're great people,

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Speaker 2: Lauren and Kerbs, and we thank them for all their

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Speaker 2: work that they did do. But it was time for

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Speaker 2: some renewal. We've got Brent and Joe in the team

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Speaker 2: that hit the ground running. They're going to make a

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Speaker 2: great contribution.

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Speaker 1: Many are questioning though, the fact that we have got

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Speaker 1: two very junior people stepping into very senior roles. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of a lot of discussion this

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Speaker 1: week about the police portfolio, but even a portfolio like

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Speaker 1: infrastructure and tourism. You know, they are massive portfolios that

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Speaker 1: generate a lot to the Northern Territories economy. Now for

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Speaker 1: those to go to what many see as two very

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Speaker 1: junior people stepping into the cabinet and not sort of

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Speaker 1: getting you know, a more junior portfolio, but getting what

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Speaker 1: many see has been the most important portfolios.

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Speaker 2: You've helped portfolios, Yeah, absolutely, And they wouldn't have the

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Speaker 2: job if they went up for it. These two members

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Speaker 2: of our cabinet team are very hard working. They are

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Speaker 2: going to do a fantastic job, and they've been given

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Speaker 2: those jobs because we know that they are absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Up for that gig.

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Speaker 2: Brent Potter I've worked with for many years. You know

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Speaker 2: he is going to make an amazing contribution to the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. And I think just the people living in

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Speaker 2: Fanny Bay and Prapp can already see what he's done.

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Speaker 2: He's out there, he's been meeting with the NTPA, the police.

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Speaker 2: He's going to get around to the front line. But

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Speaker 2: he is just going to be fantastic. He brings a.

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Speaker 4: New energy to it.

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Speaker 2: He's worked in as a Defense Force member, and I

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Speaker 2: know he's really passionate about supporting the front line. He's

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Speaker 2: going to do a great job. And Joel, everybody knows Joel.

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Speaker 2: He's owns a small business. Joel is a great guy

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Speaker 2: at promoting the Northern Territory. And they both bring a

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Speaker 2: lot of depth and experience, and I think they're going

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Speaker 3: I think, Katie, what we have to acknowledge, as you said,

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Speaker 3: is we have the most junior ministers doing the most

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Speaker 4: And you know, you can.

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Speaker 3: Put a code of paint on a new building, but

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Speaker 3: it's still you know, the same incompetent labor government.

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Speaker 1: Said you can polish a turd, but it's still a turn.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, you can put lipstick on

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Speaker 4: a pig.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not taking anything away from those two blocks.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I really hope that they step in and

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Speaker 1: that they do actually bring uh, you know, some new

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Speaker 1: from listening to the Police Association for example, they've got

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're pretty concerned and I think, you know, being

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Speaker 6: phenomenal job in that regard, so I'm a bit concerned

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Speaker 6: as to why that was also taken off her as

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Speaker 2: But I will say Brent has met with the nt

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Speaker 2: P A I'll be I thought it was a bit

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Speaker 2: harsh for the nt PA to put out a press

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Speaker 2: release before they've even met him, you know, saying it's

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Speaker 2: too junior like Brent.

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Speaker 5: They've got to give Brent to go.

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Speaker 1: He is going to be fantastic because how many years

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Speaker 1: and going on where.

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Speaker 2: This is somebody I think Territorians should have a lot

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Speaker 2: of faith and he's going to do a great job.

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Speaker 2: Brent in his time in Parliament has already shown what

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Speaker 2: he can get done. And like I said, I've worked

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Speaker 2: with this guy for many years.

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Speaker 1: And the very obvious thing that's been pointed out at

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Speaker 1: the moment as well though matter is the fact that

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Speaker 1: he was your police, your police advisor for quite a

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Speaker 1: long period of time, and many have argued that that

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Speaker 1: was the beginning of when things started to go downhill

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Speaker 1: when things started to get really bad. You know, the

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Speaker 1: in a crime crisis. So a lot of people questioning, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're happy enough to give him a go

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Speaker 1: because we've got no other choice at this point. But

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Speaker 1: is it actually going to make a difference or are

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Speaker 1: we just talking about you know, another person that's going

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Speaker 1: to do the same as what's been happening for the

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Speaker 1: last seven years. Brent Potter is.

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Speaker 2: One of the how can I say it. He's got

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Speaker 2: a lot of talent. He is a hard worker, he's

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Speaker 2: a smart guy, and he really cares and we've allay

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Speaker 2: seen that as his work as a local member. I've

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Speaker 2: seen it with him working with me. I think he's

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Speaker 2: just going to do a fantastic job.

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Speaker 1: Well, time will tell, but hey.

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Speaker 5: One thing I think the government will have to do

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Speaker 5: is to make the doorway into their lobby and meeting

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Speaker 5: be a little bit too.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's going to get a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: You've got these fellows, you know, and I've watched them

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Speaker 5: perform big egos. Yeah, they've got big egos and that's

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Speaker 5: not necessarily a negative.

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Speaker 1: That's what we know. It's not a negative thing.

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Speaker 5: That's not a negative thing. But really I question whether

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Speaker 5: the reshuffle was really needed. Where eight nine whatever it

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Speaker 5: it's the big portfolios to the two new members or

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Speaker 5: two new ministers, and you haven't got long before the election,

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Speaker 5: so they're going to have to be concentrating because they're

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Speaker 5: both new members, concentrating on their electorates to get re elected.

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Speaker 5: But also they've been loaded up with these large portfolios.

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Speaker 5: So whether it's a test by the Chief Minister to

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Speaker 5: see if they really can stump up, you know, the

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Speaker 5: bit like put your money where your mouth is. If

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Speaker 5: you think you can be a good minister, will now's

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Speaker 5: your opportunity. But I questioned whether it was really necessary

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Speaker 6: And by the time yet you head around the portfolio,

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Speaker 6: that's you know, I mean, minister, surely it's you know,

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Speaker 6: four to six months to actually work out the plan

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Speaker 6: of attack of what you're going to be doing, and

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Speaker 6: then you know that's a few months out from the.

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Speaker 4: Georgie.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I have to that they've got

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Speaker 2: the jobs because they're absolutely up to.

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Speaker 4: It and look.

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Speaker 1: One of the one of the other really big things

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Speaker 1: to actually note is the fact that there's been the

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Speaker 1: separation of the fire and Emergency services from the Northern

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Speaker 5: I will compliment the government on that. I've advocated for

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Speaker 5: the separation. I don't I don't know which government brought

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Speaker 4: We've always been.

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Speaker 5: I think it is important and I do know that

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Speaker 5: when Kate Warden had the portfolio of police find emergency Services,

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Speaker 5: she was very insistent on meeting the fire chief, mister Spain,

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Speaker 5: separate with the Police Commissioner. I know the past police

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Speaker 5: commissioner wasn't happy with it, but that's the best way

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Speaker 5: to get the direct information. I support that move. I

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Speaker 5: think would move and perhaps now the fire service won't

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Speaker 2: The instructions being given. We're working through those details now.

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Speaker 2: So he has he has stepped aside, and mister Davies

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Speaker 4: Asked firmly to step aside.

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Speaker 5: It's been approached and he's not the type of man

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Speaker 5: I've met Ken Daves a long time ago when he

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Speaker 5: But he was a very good CEO of Department Education

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Speaker 1: Aside for sharing a microphone and Keysy has got it there,

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Speaker 1: so so he stood aside himself. He wasn't sort of

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Speaker 5: We will never know, Ky, but I suspect he's been

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Speaker 5: and that's what they're looking for guidance within the department

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Speaker 5: from Ken Davies. Well, I saw him at an airport

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Speaker 5: coming back recently. Yes, he had retired. How much he

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Speaker 1: He's not the issue.

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Speaker 5: The issue is why was the other gentleman asked to

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Speaker 1: Well, that would say to me, I think that the

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three

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Speaker 1: Now we know we I think it's ten months out

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Speaker 1: I understand he's arriving today and we're not one hundred

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Speaker 1: a dinner happening tonight. That that confirmed. There's going to

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Speaker 1: be a dinner tonight. The NT News reporting if you

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Speaker 1: want to go five thousand dollars ahead at a swanky

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is this is the baby ASP conference for

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Speaker 1: No, this is a fundraiser with the PM in town. Man,

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Speaker 1: are you going pore thousand bucks? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Are they going to make you pay?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not across the details of this matters with

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Speaker 2: the ALP go fundraiser if here as an independent would

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Speaker 2: go fundrais you know so the Greens fundraise like.

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Speaker 1: Apartment I'm just very far from the working class, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: You know? I have five thousand dollars ahead dinners.

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Speaker 5: In the past when I was with the CLP, we

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Speaker 1: How much did you have to go pay for that one?

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Speaker 5: It wasn't five, it was about three, you know.

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Speaker 1: But that's the way it is. That's the nature of

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Speaker 5: It's also the opportunity for business people. They might not

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Speaker 5: they give her five thousand dollars. But sometimes people want

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Speaker 5: who else come.

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Speaker 1: Seeks to tat with me. My question is, though, is

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Speaker 2: I don't have the deals details, but what I will

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Speaker 2: say Katie again is that we don't have a system

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Speaker 1: Better option, do you reckon we need to go down

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Speaker 2: Fund The jurisdictions are going that way, and I think

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Speaker 2: But you know, I would say to people that if

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's off to China tomorrow, so it more

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Speaker 1: And I guess the lines do get blood to some degree.

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Speaker 1: Then if you are traveling to China and that's official business.

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Speaker 5: It depends how he said, what he's doing and done.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure he'll do something in Dune to do it territory.

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Speaker 5: But let's be honest. They do have to fundraise. All

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Speaker 1: Their rumors or something they're polling.

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Speaker 5: I know they've done polling, and.

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Speaker 2: I would like to know about it.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know what I did speak to Nicole

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's push.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes organizations, because it's face it, it's not just political

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Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, Katie, if the PM's coming to town

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Speaker 3: to you know, help labor after the Four Corners program

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Speaker 1: when you have been the victim of crime, you're going

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Speaker 1: to be hard pressed to find somebody who has been

444
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Speaker 1: the victim of crime who's not supportive of that security

445
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Speaker 1: around our CBD in Northern Suburbs and everywhere else.

446
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Speaker 6: I spent to a few businesses the other day about it,

447
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Speaker 6: because you know, and I even spoke to security guards

448
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Speaker 6: as they were just going for a walk after it,

449
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Speaker 6: ad ad and they said, you know, we've painted us

450
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Speaker 6: all in the same brush.

451
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Speaker 1: We're not all doing the wrong thing.

452
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Speaker 4: Obviously the vision of the wrong thing.

453
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Speaker 6: Was awful, but it takes into account, you know, all

454
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Speaker 6: the other security guards. They said to me, there's someone

455
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Speaker 6: rosted on twenty one hours of day, so that CBD,

456
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Speaker 6: you know, is monitored. And they said, we know who

457
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Speaker 6: lives here, we know where people live, we know who

458
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Speaker 6: shouldn't be speaking to each other, and they know us.

459
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Speaker 2: So the security patrols do a great job. And they're

460
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Speaker 2: also there to get in there early to actually stop

461
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Speaker 2: things from escalating, and you know, to people out there

462
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Speaker 2: and they are supportive of the security patrols. That's certainly

463
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Speaker 2: my experience as a local member and as a member

464
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Speaker 2: of this parliament, and I was very disappointed that the

465
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Speaker 2: full Corners program didn't seem to want to go out

466
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Speaker 2: and actually talk to any of those businesses that wanted

467
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Speaker 2: to give probably some of that feedback. And also, like frankly, Katie,

468
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Speaker 2: I've been around a reasonable amount of time and dealt

469
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Speaker 2: with a lot of media in my time. Like you,

470
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Speaker 2: I've been a media advisor before and some of the

471
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Speaker 2: stories that I had heard and some of you know,

472
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Speaker 2: we've had to put in complaints to the ABC. It's

473
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Speaker 2: about some of the stories we've heard about how they

474
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Speaker 2: were obtaining.

475
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Speaker 1: So what exactly was the concern from the Northern Territory

476
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Speaker 1: government's perspective in terms of the complaint.

477
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Speaker 2: Some of the behaviors in terms of, you know, putting

478
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Speaker 2: transporting vulnerable people. I think you've spoken on your show

479
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Speaker 2: about some of the allegations around the use of pizza

480
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Speaker 2: and pizza vouchers extraordinary.

481
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Speaker 1: So do you reckon that they had the intention of

482
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Speaker 1: coming to the territory and stitching us up. Yeah, of course,

483
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Speaker 1: I'll let Kezer answer that.

484
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Speaker 5: God did They've got a reputation these four corners people,

485
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Speaker 5: you know, And no, we don't live in a perfect world.

486
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Speaker 5: And every occupation of every industry, there are mishaps, and

487
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 5: there are accidents, and there are incidents. But you can't

488
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Speaker 5: judge the whole industry, in the whole scene by some

489
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Speaker 5: unpleasantness that happened.

490
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Speaker 4: And yes, it was not.

491
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Speaker 5: From ten years ago, and from ten years ago, you know,

492
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Speaker 5: I mean it was a gratuitous, lazy journalism. It was

493
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Speaker 5: unprofessional and that woman should be ashamed of herself, whoever

494
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Speaker 5: she is. I don't even know her name, but she

495
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Speaker 5: looked a real deadhead from down south.

496
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Speaker 1: Oh, we'll be careful about our nasty comments. We'll try

497
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Speaker 1: and remain professional. Keysier, all right, miss, we've got a

498
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Speaker 1: missed deadhead from down south. But you know, it was

499
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Speaker 1: unprofessional and it was lazy. I can probably deal a

500
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Speaker 1: little bit with the unprofessionalism, but lazy journalism is probably

501
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Speaker 1: the worst in my view. Now, there would have been

502
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Speaker 1: some people they approached and they said, no, I'm not commenting,

503
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Speaker 1: and that's fair. But there's been a swag of businesses

504
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Speaker 1: and people come out since then who said we would

505
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Speaker 1: have spoken, would we Actually we had people on the

506
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Speaker 1: show lazy. We've actually had people on the show who

507
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Speaker 1: did get interview Kylie and Karama one of our regular

508
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Speaker 1: listeners who had who did actually get interviewed. But then

509
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Speaker 1: they they don't care seed.

510
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Speaker 5: Because it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit what they want

511
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Speaker 5: to show. They want to show all those cafes sipping

512
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Speaker 5: latte people down south what that bad Northern territory is

513
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 5: all about. And it does us as disservice. It does

514
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Speaker 5: the government of disservers, I mean Nicole and all her

515
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 5: colleagues and Joe and all her colleagues. They work hard

516
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Speaker 5: for the territory and yet these people lob into town

517
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Speaker 5: and do do underhanded tactics. Of course, they bought them

518
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Speaker 5: pizzas to get them to talk. Of course they did.

519
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Speaker 5: I'll say they did. I don't know that firsthand, but

520
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Speaker 5: I believe it would have happened, so to say otherwise

521
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Speaker 5: is just nonsense. And they've just sold the story to

522
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Speaker 5: down South. Of course we'll get judged like that, and

523
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Speaker 5: that is wrong. It's morally wrong what they've done.

524
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Speaker 6: And the fact that there was no crime rates put

525
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Speaker 6: in whatsoever. Obviously at the start it was put up

526
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Speaker 6: as to wear the highest crime rates in Australia, but

527
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Speaker 6: that wasn't touched on for the rest of the story.

528
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Speaker 6: So in my story the other day, you know, I

529
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Speaker 6: touched on how high the d rates have increased in

530
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Speaker 6: the assaults and everything like that, but you know that

531
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Speaker 6: was the other end of why they need security in

532
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Speaker 6: the CBD.

533
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and that question was never asked.

534
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Speaker 4: No, that's right, and I think no.

535
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Speaker 3: You know, I've spoken to a lot of people since

536
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Speaker 3: Katie and the security people are doing a great job,

537
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Speaker 3: and I know in Catherine at the local shopping center.

538
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Speaker 3: You know, without the security guards there, most people probably

539
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Speaker 3: wouldn't feel safe going into the shopping center. But what

540
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Speaker 3: we know is that there needs to be more of

541
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Speaker 3: a focus on increasing police and to properly resource the police.

542
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Speaker 3: So we don't need as many security guards.

543
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Speaker 4: But the fact is security.

544
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Speaker 3: Card the guards that are out there are doing a

545
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Speaker 3: good job and people are feeling a lot safer, but

546
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Speaker 3: we actually need more police.

547
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Speaker 1: And look, that's a discussion we've had numerous times on

548
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Speaker 1: the show, isn't it. And we know that the review

549
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Speaker 1: is currently underway into police resourcing. But I do want

550
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Speaker 1: to just move to the fact as well. The ABC

551
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Speaker 1: is reporting the ABC locally reporting that the Northern Territory

552
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Speaker 1: government is persevering with plans to arm private security guards

553
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Speaker 1: with capsic and spray, despite that criticism from the Police

554
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Speaker 1: Association that it's fraught with danger. And following on from

555
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Speaker 1: that Four Corners report, Mattow, are we in a situation

556
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Speaker 1: here where we are going to be still persevering with

557
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Speaker 1: security having oc spray and are we setting them up

558
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Speaker 1: to fail in some ways or to be you know,

559
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Speaker 1: to face potential litigation. We are going.

560
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Speaker 2: Down that pathway, Katie. But again there will be training,

561
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Speaker 2: it will be licensed.

562
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Speaker 1: If people do not use that OC.

563
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Speaker 2: Spray appropriately, there will be ways to deal with that

564
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Speaker 2: and to investigate it. So again I'd say, go and

565
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Speaker 2: talk to everyday territorian, you know, go out to my

566
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Speaker 2: electorate and go talk to people, and they feel comfortable

567
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Speaker 2: about OC spray, you know, going there, we've these these

568
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Speaker 2: are trained people. We're going through that process with police

569
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Speaker 2: about how will.

570
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Speaker 1: We introduce it. But you know, people can feel confident.

571
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Speaker 2: That it will be done in a way where they

572
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: know that it will be used properly, and in an

573
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Speaker 2: event if somebody does do the wrong thing, there are

574
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Speaker 2: mechanisms for complaints, investigation and dealing with it.

575
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Speaker 1: There is the argument though, that we are sort of

576
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Speaker 1: creating this quasi police force in some ways where we've

577
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Speaker 1: got security, we've got transit safety officers. You know, potentially

578
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Speaker 1: we're going to wind up. If you read through the

579
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Speaker 1: alcohol review that was tabled a couple of weeks ago,

580
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Speaker 1: potentially we're going to wind up even with council workers

581
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Speaker 1: with the ability to tip out alcohol. There is this

582
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Speaker 1: real argument that you know that we are because we

583
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Speaker 1: can't actually fill those police jobs or because we do

584
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Speaker 1: not have enough police that we're creating these others. Yeah,

585
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Speaker 1: which I mean, is that the right thing to be doing.

586
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure it is. But in regards to the

587
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Speaker 5: security guards getting the capskin spray, what it's fulled? Oh see,

588
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Speaker 5: how is that any different to equipping the transit officers

589
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Speaker 5: that the same thing. It's the same thing the transit

590
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 5: office has been. They're allowed to have the spray to

591
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Speaker 5: assist in their job. Security people are just getting another

592
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Speaker 5: tool in their toolbox to assist with their job that

593
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Speaker 5: I don't have an issue with.

594
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Speaker 4: I do think I think that is fraught with danger though.

595
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Speaker 1: If they're trained.

596
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Speaker 5: Probably the transit offices, I mean, the transit ofters have

597
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 5: got it. So how is it different to a security office.

598
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Speaker 5: It's just a different type of job.

599
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Speaker 1: It's a bloody ordinary situation that we're in, though, isn't

600
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Speaker 1: it having some people with you know, with things like

601
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Speaker 1: oh see spray of some discription. Yeah, that's the ordinary part.

602
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Speaker 1: That we've got these these levels of crime in the

603
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory at the moment that we're having to go

604
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Speaker 1: down these paths, and I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's also acknowledging that technology changes, the the access

606
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Speaker 2: to the different materials that people can use in their

607
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: job changes, and that you know, this is also about

608
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: you know, these people are in situations that put them

609
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: in the space of dealing with conflict or people who

610
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: are you know, might have drunk too much on drugs,

611
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: you know, causing trouble. These are the people that go

612
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Speaker 2: there and try to They will always try to de

613
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Speaker 2: escalate it and all honesty, yes, and like you know,

614
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Speaker 2: it is not a pleasant experience for anybody to be sprayed.

615
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: But you know, again they're going to have training to

616
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Speaker 2: deal with this.

617
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Speaker 1: And look, I know that a lot of my listeners

618
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: don't agree with what was covered on four corners, but

619
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Speaker 1: the point that I do want to make is what

620
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Speaker 1: I will take from that report is that in some situations,

621
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Speaker 1: people do not actually act in the way that they've

622
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Speaker 1: been trained. Right. So, you know, it's one thing to

623
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Speaker 1: see the vision that we've seen the other night, and

624
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: it was terrible to see that, But what happens then

625
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Speaker 1: when you are actually armed with what is capsic and spray,

626
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: oh see spray, and if it's not used in the

627
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: appropriate way, then what happens? You know, the are the

628
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: government going to get sued. Who's going to wind up

629
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: in trouble, But also what's the ramifications if you're the

630
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Speaker 1: victim on the receiving end.

631
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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to sit in your hands and

632
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: do nothing, Katie, Like I think the community is broadly

633
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: accepting of getting over sea spray here and them doing

634
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: that job and knowing that if somebody took it too far,

635
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: if somebody did the wrong thing, there are mechanisms for investigation,

636
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, and there's also police pathways too, So again

637
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: there will be training, there will be licensing. We're working

638
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: through those details. But again I think this is a

639
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: reasonable step to making sure that we can, you know,

640
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: stop people really getting hurt if somebody really is arcing up.

641
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: I think what we need to remember here, Katie, again

642
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: is that the focus needs to be on reducing the

643
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: crime and not spending more money on security guards. And

644
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, if the labor government was serious, we'd be

645
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: tackling the crime and antisocial behavior by investing and supporting

646
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: the police better.

647
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Speaker 6: But I think this kindom does reduce crime in one

648
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 6: way by dispersing and deterrent in the CBD when they

649
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 6: see these people walking along, you know, people aren't going

650
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 6: to start bashing each other in front of two security guards.

651
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: And again about resources, We've got Vince Kelly leading the

652
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: you into police resourcing right now. He's out there doing

653
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: a great job getting right across the Northern Territory to understand,

654
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, what are those resources, What does that support

655
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: that our front line need to help them do their

656
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: very important.

657
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Speaker 1: If our listeners has just been in contact Christine, she's

658
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Speaker 1: called through to ask or she said she'd support Grade

659
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Speaker 1: three security guards having OC spray, but not Grade one

660
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Speaker 1: security saying that they're not qualified enough. Is that something

661
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Speaker 1: that the Northern Territory government's considering only certain guards.

662
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Speaker 2: So this is the detail being worked through right now

663
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Speaker 2: about who is the appropriate level of having those access

664
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Speaker 2: to that OC spray, the training does required and how

665
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Speaker 2: will work.

666
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Speaker 1: Which I think is fair enough. We do need to

667
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Speaker 1: make sure that people are adequately trained. Nobody wants to

668
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Speaker 1: see anybody injured as a result of that OC spray

669
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Speaker 1: being used. But also you want to make sure that

670
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Speaker 1: we're not winding up in a situation where people are

671
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Speaker 1: being sued, where the government's being sued, where all sorts

672
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Speaker 1: of stuff is going on, because people who aren't adequately trained,

673
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Speaker 1: are potentially using.

674
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Speaker 5: A sh The other thing, when you talk about the

675
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 5: legalities of it, the transit officers are employed by the government,

676
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Speaker 5: whereas these security people are private issues. So that presumably

677
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 5: something that the government has to work through with the

678
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 5: Attorney general or solicitor general in regards to if something

679
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 5: does go wrong. Who is liable? Is the company libel

680
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 5: in the first instance, or is the company liable plus

681
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: the anti government because anti governments contracted them. So that's

682
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 5: the legal issues that the government will have to work

683
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 5: to and get it right, because otherwise you're going to

684
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: end up with one purse or a bit of a

685
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Speaker 5: legal mess.

686
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Speaker 1: Well, we've seen that happen, you know. We've seen a

687
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Speaker 1: situation even out at don Dale of course, where where

688
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: we have wound up with people being able to seek

689
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: that compensation redress. That's right.

690
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Speaker 3: I just wanted to give an example of anti social

691
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Speaker 3: behavior Katie, if I can. In the city this morning,

692
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Speaker 3: So I'm staying at a hotel on the Esplanade and

693
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there quietly having my breakfast. A guy comes

694
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Speaker 3: in the managers trying to get the person. The person

695
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: was from Port Keats because I ended up having to

696
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Speaker 3: get up from my breakfast and help the manager. And

697
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: this is an example of antisocial behavior coming into hotels

698
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: in the city.

699
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: I was at the Novtel and you know, the guy came.

700
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: He took something off my table while I'm sitting there

701
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: having breakfast, and I just said, mate, you can't do this.

702
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: It's unacceptable. And I said to the guy, have you

703
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: got a takeaway cup? I grabbed a glass of water.

704
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: I had to coax him outside with the glass of water.

705
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: But on the way he shaped up to the manager

706
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: and was sort of like throwing punches at him. I

707
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: said to him call the police, which he had. By

708
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: the time I left and went out to come here,

709
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: the police hadn't attended. Now, the police do a great job,

710
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: but you know, on a scale of.

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 5: They just had not suffer that.

712
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: So, you know, I'm sitting there having my breakfast. Fortunately

713
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: for them, I was the only one there, and fortunately

714
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: of them I'm used to. You know, this is not

715
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: uncommon to me, and I don't mind talking to these people,

716
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: not from Bloody yeah, exactly. So you know, it was

717
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: just very confronting and the staff in the hotel were

718
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: left shaken, and that's not acceptable and.

719
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Speaker 5: Forget the bad behavior. The fact remains that person was

720
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Speaker 5: probably genuinely hungry.

721
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: That person generally was hungry.

722
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Speaker 1: Yep.

723
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: Him and John Wayne, who he said is outside, were

724
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: absolutely drunk has and they were also on something you

725
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: could just tell.

726
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been around long enough. They were definitely and.

727
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Speaker 1: So the question then, you know, the question then gets asked,

728
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: and I think that this is where we're rash in

729
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory right now. Is okay, We've got security

730
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Speaker 1: to try and help deal with those situations. People are

731
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Speaker 1: calling the Northern Territory Police. Yes, nobody has been injured

732
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: at that point in time, nobody has presented a weapon

733
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Speaker 1: at that point in time, but somebody has come in

734
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: and threatened a staff member at the hotel. So I

735
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: the police, as we all know, are absolutely stretched. We

736
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Speaker 1: get that, and we know that they can't be going

737
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: out to absolutely every every incident or they may not

738
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: be able to get there as quickly as they'd like

739
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: to be able to. But this is where a lot

740
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: of people are questioning, will hang on, where are the police?

741
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 4: Yep.

742
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Speaker 2: So I'll definitely follow up with that particular issue. Joe.

743
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: That's terrible shouldn't have.

744
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: To put up with that.

745
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: Those poor people of the hotel.

746
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous this time of the morning, and people being

747
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: that out of their mind like that, that's disgraceful behavior

748
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: on their part. But I'll follow that at one.

749
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately not isolated, like everybody in this room could

750
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Speaker 1: have an example like that. And and you know, you

751
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to go far around the territory for people

752
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: to be able to tell you about things like that.

753
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: Manager, does this happen often?

754
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, generally, yes, Katie.

755
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Speaker 5: The other issue that needs to be looked at and

756
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: considered is why are these people in town. I keep hearing, Oh,

757
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 5: they come into town for medical stuff, they come in

758
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 5: down to be relatives, And I'm getting a bit tired

759
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 5: of that, you know. And I don't take away that

760
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 5: there are that genuine group of people who have generally

761
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Speaker 5: come to town for extra treatment medically and otherwise teeth, eyes, whatever,

762
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 5: But there is a large and growing migration of people

763
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: from remote communities coming into the urban settings and they

764
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 5: have nowhere to stay because their houses are out in

765
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Speaker 5: their communities.

766
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Speaker 1: And I do want to touch on long the comments

767
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Speaker 1: that were made then by Marcia Langton throughout the Coronial

768
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Speaker 1: inquest during the week as well. Where As for those

769
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: who don't know. Obviously an eminent Aboriginal academic, she's told

770
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Speaker 1: the coroner that extending alcohol bands across the Northern Territory

771
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: is an absolutely necessary public health measure. She said that

772
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: tightening exceedingly lacks alcohol policy was central to tackling domestic

773
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: violence and reducing anti social behavior more generally. And look,

774
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: we've spoken about this a lot, but she said the

775
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: restrictions need to be uniform across the jurisdiction, not severe

776
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: in Aboriginal areas and open season in towns.

777
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Speaker 5: You know, I get a bit up with these experts

778
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 5: in brackets who come up from down south and tell

779
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 5: us how we should manage our businesses. All right, now,

780
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 5: what if she's so concerned about limiting alcohol across the board,

781
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 5: take it across the country. Take it back to your

782
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 5: hometown wherever you live, Marcia Langton, take it back to Melbourne.

783
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: Because alcohol is not just a Northern Territory thing. You know,

784
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 5: it's across our country, it's across the world.

785
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So we seem to have a very serious issue

786
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: with the public drunkenness and the public anti social behavior

787
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: and DV.

788
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: The alcohol is a contributing factor, I give you that,

789
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 5: and it's a very large contributing factor, but there are

790
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 5: other factors that contribute to the way that people behave

791
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: the way they do. And as I said to you,

792
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 5: there's growing migration from remote communities to come into the

793
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: big cities.

794
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: I get it.

795
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 5: Coming to the big cities is a good thing to do,

796
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 5: and it's fun, and why wouldn't you You know, that's where

797
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: the action is and the fun and the going on

798
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: holidays to the big cities exactly, But they're staying here?

799
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 5: Are they staying here because they don't want to go home?

800
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: Why don't they want to go home? So it's one

801
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: thing to say, I just do a blanket band of alcohol.

802
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: I've been here long enough, like Nicole, like Joe. I

803
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 5: saw all the takeaway licenses drop down across all the

804
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 5: roadside inns. Then I saw the port go, Then I

805
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 5: saw the four leader cast go, and we.

806
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: Still have analy.

807
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 5: So along the way, all us, Laura, abiding citizens and

808
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: territories are being discriminated against because of the behavior of some.

809
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 5: So I don't agree with that comment from Langton.

810
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: And also just to add on to that that the

811
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: Member for Goid has brought up is that Mekesia is

812
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: that in Catherine, in Tenant, in Alice. We all have

813
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: these restrictions, but let's not forget that that then pushes

814
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: up secondary supply. And like Kesy is saying, those people

815
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: are coming in from the communities, they're bringing their families in.

816
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: The children aren't attending school. We know that we've got

817
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: poor attendance rates and that fifty eight percent of all

818
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: kids across the territory are not meeting literacy and numeracy,

819
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: and we know that eighty five percent of Indigenous kids

820
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: are not meeting literacy and numeracy. So there's a bigger

821
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: problem here when people come into you know, regional centers

822
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: and they aren't on their communities, you know, having their

823
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 3: kids go to school and you know, staying out there

824
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: on the communities and you know, maybe being able to

825
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: have a drink socially on their community. They shouldn't have

826
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: to come into town. But they're also when they come

827
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: into town, you know, there needs to be some you

828
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: don't just hang around here for extended periods of time,

829
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: which potentially this morning look was happening.

830
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to have to take a very

831
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: quick break and in the studio this morning, of course,

832
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: Nicole Madison, Keesy Eppuric, Georgie Dickerson and Joe Hersey. Now

833
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: just taking you across to the news story that well

834
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: all the media are reporting, but the ABC. Santos They're

835
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: five point six billion dollar Barossa gas project has been

836
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: delayed yet again, just hours before the company was due

837
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: to begin constructing an underwater gas export pipeline north of

838
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: now on Thursday morning. Yesterday morning, as a Santos operated

839
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: pipeline vessel headed to the team or C, the federal

840
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: court granted an emergency injunction sought by a Tewee Island's

841
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: traditional owner. It means that Santos must immediately pause installation

842
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: of its proposed two hundred and sixty three kilometers pipeline

843
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: until at least five pm or November thirteen. Mado, Are

844
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: you does this fall under your portfolio? Now?

845
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I've been the Administer for Energy and Industry

846
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: and yes, on shore and offshore gas does sit with me.

847
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, this is a five billion dollar investment by Santos.

848
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: They've made final investment decisions some years ago. They have

849
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: got customers in career in Japan, and I've certainly met

850
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: with those customers many times. This is a project here

851
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: that would extend Darwin Allen g by twenty years. It

852
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: supports hundreds and hundreds of jobs and then the businesses

853
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: that are around it as well. And the other good

854
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: thing about this project is that it's going to help

855
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: also kick off the CCS project, that's carbon capture storage

856
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: project at Bayowunden TiO that look Santos has had not.

857
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: Seema put a stop to some of their work because

858
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: they said they needed to go out and do further

859
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: consultation with traditional owners, and they have been very diligent

860
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: in that consultation. I know that they've done a huge

861
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: amount of work at the teewe's in town. There wouldn't

862
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: be many people who haven't seen or heard their advertising

863
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: to make sure that they got out there and communicated

864
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: with as many people as possible. However, clearly there are

865
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: still some people who are not wanting to see this

866
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: project proceed. I don't believe it is representative of all the.

867
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: People, so you reckon that there are people in the

868
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: community who want it to tap it.

869
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: There is a court process that is happening now, and

870
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: I respect that court process, but what I will say

871
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: is that I think people can have confidence that there

872
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: has been a huge, huge amount of work done by

873
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: Santos to make sure that they communicate with as many

874
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: people from the Tier Island so they had the facts

875
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: about where the pipeline goes and what this actually means.

876
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 5: Katie, I just find it extremely disappointing, and I agree

877
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: with everything Nicole said, like this is this is a

878
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 5: multinational company that is at the top of the level

879
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 5: of its profession and how they go about their business,

880
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 5: even in little Old Dale and town here. And you know,

881
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 5: this project hasn't just popped up overnight. It's been ongoing

882
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: for quite a while. And there's been other projects in

883
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: and around the TV Islands going as far back as

884
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 5: when there was mineral sands and you know, and when

885
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: there was mineral sands operation or bit not very long

886
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 5: on the TV Islands, there was always this group of

887
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: activists who were spreading myths and myth truths about you know,

888
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: what the mineral sands were going to do. You know,

889
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 5: there was going to make a big hole and the

890
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 5: islands were going to sink. You know, all this sort

891
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 5: of rubbish, just like lead point, you know, and people

892
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 5: were starting to believe it now, you know, I think,

893
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 5: you know, there should be a meeting halfway. I mean,

894
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: government's doing as much as it can do, you know,

895
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 5: and the company's doing as much, if not better than

896
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 5: what it can do, you know. And I just think

897
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 5: the TV Land Council or the TV people or whoever's

898
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: managing them, you know, they should come to the party

899
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 5: and really start to you know, look at it seriously. Okay,

900
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 5: So what is it they don't want? Is it that

901
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: they're concerned about the pipeline near their islands? Not on

902
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: their islands? You know, Yeah, the federal government does regulate offshore.

903
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 5: Are they concerned about the pipeline near their islands because

904
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: the actual Borosca is way out in the bloody Ocean,

905
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 5: you know, nowhere near the Tivy Island. So what exactly

906
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: are they objecting to and.

907
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 4: Why why is it They're almost there?

908
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: And then suddenly one person pops up and takes the

909
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: matter to Federal court or the Federal Court High Court?

910
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: And how much money is being spent?

911
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: Who's managing this? Because I can guarantee it won't be

912
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 5: that person who's objected, the mister or missus on the

913
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 5: Tivy Islands, the individually. They're being pushed by someone and

914
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 5: that's what disappoints me. They're being manipulated. I think.

915
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: Well, look, we are unfortunately going to have to take

916
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: a really quick break before we get ready to wrap

917
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: up for the morning. You are listening to Mix one

918
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty. That is just about it

919
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: for us this morning. A massive thank you to everybody

920
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: for your time this week. Morning. Joe here's the member

921
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: for Catherine. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

922
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: Thanks Katie.

923
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a bit hard to get a word in,

924
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: but anyway, sorry to me, not people.

925
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: We're all into talking and it's.

926
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: All about vuying for the microphone space, isn't it so anyway,

927
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: thanks Catherine, great.

928
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: Lefty friend here.

929
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's Katherine Prize tonight when I go back forty

930
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: eight Katherine Price. So I look forward to going to

931
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: that at godmun Up Price wonderful.

932
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: That'll be fantastic. Georgie Dickerson, thank you, thank you for

933
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: your time this morning.

934
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 6: Shout I was going to give my favorite pub of shoutout.

935
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: I don't have anything shags compete with that.

936
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to do a shout out to Kel McLaughlin.

937
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 5: Young Kell's eighteen. He's a volunteer for down a Lamb's Lagoon,

938
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: son of Dave and Kim, and he got the award

939
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 5: last night for the Junior Volunteer of the Yords. He's

940
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 5: a lovely young fellow. Not only does he do that

941
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, he grew his beautiful hand, it was

942
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 5: down to his waist or something, and then he then

943
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 5: he shaved it off for leukemia.

944
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: So he's not a nice kid.

945
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 5: He's done Scouts and all that sort of stuff. So

946
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 5: big shout out to your cow I know your parents

947
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: are too.

948
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: Well done, mate, Nicole Madison, Thanks k. I hope everybody

949
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Speaker 1: has a lovely weekend. We certainly will.