Speaker 1: This is Outspoken.
Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torber.
Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,
Speaker 2: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things
Speaker 2: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is
Speaker 2: so fetch Thank you, Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: We wanted to kick off today's.
Speaker 2: Podcast by discussing tear my situations with your parents, because
Speaker 2: we all consider our mum our best friend. But I
Speaker 2: feel like there are just some things that you don't
Speaker 2: discuss with your mum, and there are also some things
Speaker 2: that you just don't want to know about as well.
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's even the case with the
Speaker 1: three of us.
Speaker 2: Like some people might think that we share intimate details
Speaker 2: with one another, or that we get change in front
Speaker 2: of one another, but we do have some.
Speaker 1: You know, guidelines, abound boundary.
Speaker 2: We'll go to the toilet in front of each other,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't like have a shower in front of you.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a bit of a line.
Speaker 2: But the stupid thing is we probably look exactly the same, Like,
Speaker 2: I just find it quite funny. I don't think it'd
Speaker 2: be as embarrassed about that. I think that was more
Speaker 2: through puberty that you don't want to be seen, I suppose.
Speaker 1: I think we're all over that now.
Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't even when we were little, discuss
Speaker 2: our periods with each other, Like we all kept it quiet,
Speaker 2: But now we always discuss it. So maybe it's a
Speaker 2: thing about getting older. I feel like that was only
Speaker 2: as much. I thought that was only when we were twelve. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I think this conversation is getting two TMI well. That
Speaker 2: being said, I also don't think that most people share
Speaker 2: intimate parts about their personal relationships with their mum the
Speaker 2: way that influencer Saffron Barker has. Yeah, so so I
Speaker 2: when I were cacking ourselves this week watching twenty one
Speaker 2: year old YouTuber Saffron Barker and her latest video entitled
Speaker 2: asking My Mum Questions.
Speaker 1: You're too afraid to ask yours? Now, this isn't a
Speaker 1: new trend.
Speaker 2: There have been other videos released, but I feel like
Speaker 2: this was probably the most honest one of these videos
Speaker 2: I've seen. So some of the questions Saffron asked her
Speaker 2: mum included has she ever heard Saffron having sex in
Speaker 2: her bedroom? Do her mum and dad still have sex?
Speaker 2: And does Saffron's mum go snooping in her room?
Speaker 1: Now her mum?
Speaker 2: Wendy, she was an absolute trooper during this video and she.
Speaker 1: Answered some of the questions.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel like too honestly. Let's have a listen
Speaker 2: to what Wendy said.
Speaker 1: Do you still have sex with dad?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: God, I didn't want to ask.
Speaker 4: I think I am not hundred Sometimes when I have to, oh,
Speaker 4: are you forty six? Forty six? Forty six? I think
Speaker 4: you answer is probably still yes. I think people probably
Speaker 4: have sex a lot longer than that. To be fairly clean,
Speaker 4: you out thinking about it, out thinking about myself so
Speaker 4: at that age, or anything, but to be honest, to
Speaker 4: quench me, I think, abou anyone having sex and I'll
Speaker 4: try not to right.
Speaker 2: Probably a good idea. So well, this question is is
Speaker 2: sex still is good after doing it with self?
Speaker 4: I don't know, because I like to change it up
Speaker 4: a bit. When I can shut up, I think I'm
Speaker 4: not asking for I don't want to hear this. From
Speaker 4: a point of view is as a person, I feel
Speaker 4: like the more you have sex for the same person
Speaker 4: the more we get to know each other, like, so
Speaker 4: I would imagine that that probably is better. There's some
Speaker 4: random dude that you just met that like probably just
Speaker 4: wants it all for himself. Oh god, I'm maybe getting
Speaker 4: paid for this. I wanted to go to Costo and
Speaker 4: get a coffee and not even getting that. I'll get
Speaker 4: you that thank you think you're glad. You might need
Speaker 4: a box there.
Speaker 2: I feel like Wendy should get some of the ad
Speaker 2: revenue off this video because she was absolutely amazing. I
Speaker 2: did love the tension in the car because you could
Speaker 2: tell that this wasn't rehearsed. They actually genuinely felt awkward.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was the same sort of mood
Speaker 2: when there's a sex scene on and you're sitting with
Speaker 2: your parents and everyone's trying to look away at the screen.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the vibe going on in
Speaker 1: that car.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was also a bit contentious because
Speaker 2: Saffron has recently just broken up with her ex boyfriend,
Speaker 2: so I feel like the mum was kind of going
Speaker 2: there with some of the comments about the because she
Speaker 2: also said that she can't stand Saffron's baby voice, that
Speaker 2: she did with him. Yeah, that was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite bits because I remember when they were together there
Speaker 2: was a few potshots made about the baby voice, but.
Speaker 1: You could tell the mum went in hard. Then once
Speaker 1: they've broken up.
Speaker 2: I do love Wendy. She almost reminds me a bit
Speaker 2: of the mum out of mean girls. It's like kind
Speaker 2: of the cool mum that's willing to sort of have
Speaker 2: these conversations with her daughter. It's funny because this YouTube
Speaker 2: is all about questions you're too afraid to ask your parents.
Speaker 2: But these are just questions that I would never ever
Speaker 2: ever want to know the answer.
Speaker 3: You can't just be happy with where you are, like,
Speaker 3: there's always more to.
Speaker 4: Be a cheat.
Speaker 2: UK influencer Molly May Haig has been labeled tone deaf
Speaker 2: and privileged after commenting on a podcast that we all
Speaker 2: have the same twenty four hours in the day. The
Speaker 2: backlashes spark discussions about the shifting ways we view work,
Speaker 2: as well as how we respond to successful women. So, Kate,
Speaker 2: can you tell us exactly what happened?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Molly May has.
Speaker 2: Come under fire for comments she may on popular podcast
Speaker 2: Diary of a CEO and to be totally transparent, we
Speaker 2: did do a segment on Molly May's interview with Stephen
Speaker 2: Bartlett when the episode dropped back on the thirteenth of December. However,
Speaker 2: we did not cover the twenty four hour statement at
Speaker 2: the time, nor did the mainstream media, who instead chose
Speaker 2: to create headlines about Molly having no friends and choosing
Speaker 2: to make money over making time with friends. Now, the
Speaker 2: comment at the time didn't stick out to us because,
Speaker 2: to put it into perspective, the episode in question was
Speaker 2: over an hour and forty two minutes long and it really.
Speaker 1: Did cover a lot.
Speaker 2: So the backlash only just hit over the weekend after
Speaker 2: a condensed version of the clip was shared on Twitter
Speaker 2: and TikTok. Now, Sophy, can you tell us more about
Speaker 2: the comment the comments in question that have come under
Speaker 2: fires around privilege and background And before we do get
Speaker 2: into the quotes, I really wanted to provide some context
Speaker 2: that I don't feel was given in the press coverage
Speaker 2: or in the social media clips.
Speaker 1: So going into the.
Speaker 2: Podcast, as the name suggests, Diary of a CEO is
Speaker 2: a podcast which explores the unfiltered journey of some of
Speaker 2: the world's most influential people and experts, and it is
Speaker 2: targeted as a motivational podcast that sheds light on people's
Speaker 2: remarkable rises to success and also gives insights into how
Speaker 2: they got there now.
Speaker 1: The host, Stephen.
Speaker 2: Bartlett, is a twenty nine year old British businessman who
Speaker 2: was born in Botswana and moved to the UK at
Speaker 2: the age of two, and he describes himself as a
Speaker 2: university dropout who once stole food from a corner shop
Speaker 2: and forage for loose change to keep his hunger at bay.
Speaker 2: Now Stephen dropped out of UNI and founded two social
Speaker 2: media marketing companies called Social Chain and Media Chain, which
Speaker 2: are now worth over three hundred million pounds, and he
Speaker 2: became a self made millionaire at just twenty three and
Speaker 2: more recently, Stephen has appeared as the youngest investor on
Speaker 2: the BBC show The Dragon's Den Now. When he joined
Speaker 2: the show, he said he hopes young people from less
Speaker 2: privileged backgrounds like his, especially minorities who don't always see
Speaker 2: themselves reflected in certain programs or industries, will.
Speaker 1: Feel enabled now.
Speaker 2: During the interview, Stephen discussed Molly's childhood and the fact
Speaker 2: that she had grown up with police officer parents in
Speaker 2: the small town of hitchin Stephen said, your mom and dad,
Speaker 2: as police officers, live very solid lives and careers. I
Speaker 2: always wonder at a young age how much of it
Speaker 2: is an innate desire to get more and be different
Speaker 2: and not live the standard life, or how much is
Speaker 2: it following the heart and seeing where it goes. Now,
Speaker 2: Molly responded saying she was petrified of living a very
Speaker 2: ordinary life. And this is the first instance. When she
Speaker 2: touched on the twenty four hour comment, this is what
Speaker 2: she said.
Speaker 3: I think for me, watching my parents have a very
Speaker 3: ordinary life, it sort of petrified me at there. It
Speaker 3: was like a bit terrifying, the thought of I don't
Speaker 3: want to grow up in this house and when I'm
Speaker 3: old in my rocking chat, I tell my grandkids, you know,
Speaker 3: like I had this really ordinary life and I had
Speaker 3: an ordinary job, I had an ordinary income like that.
Speaker 1: It petrified me.
Speaker 3: From I think around, I recognized started fitting that way
Speaker 3: from about fifteen. I realized that the world is literally ourystan.
Speaker 3: We can do whatever we want with the twenty four
Speaker 3: hours in the day that we're given. So why had
Speaker 3: am I not going to go out and meet the
Speaker 3: most of them and do crazy things.
Speaker 2: Molly then went on to say that as a teenager,
Speaker 2: she was desperate to leave her small town to move
Speaker 2: to Manchester to kick start her influencing career. Now, her
Speaker 2: following had started to gain traction at the time, and
Speaker 2: she had found a management team in Manchester. So at
Speaker 2: the age of eighteen, she dropped the news to her
Speaker 2: parents that she found herself a flat and within a
Speaker 2: week left their home. She said that at the time
Speaker 2: she could barely afford her rent and was making one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month of her influencing jobs, and her
Speaker 2: rent was nine hundred pounds, so she was living paycheck
Speaker 2: to paycheck now. This conversation then led to Stephen comparing
Speaker 2: his experience of growing up in a small town to
Speaker 2: her experience. Stephen said, as you look back at that
Speaker 2: young girl in Hitchin, I'm from a small town myself
Speaker 2: with not a lot of global dreaming going on. What
Speaker 2: have you learned about the nature of confidence and how
Speaker 2: it builds and how capable and powerful your potential really
Speaker 2: is as you've climbed up. Now this is where Molly
Speaker 2: again reference the contentious twenty four hour comment.
Speaker 3: Here's what she said, Beyonce has the same twenty four
Speaker 3: hours in a day that we do. And I just
Speaker 3: think like, it's literally you're given one life and it's
Speaker 3: down to you what you do with it, Like you
Speaker 3: can literally go in any direction. And when I've spoken
Speaker 3: about that before in the past, I have been slammed
Speaker 3: a little bit with people saying, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: easy for you to say that, you know, you've grown
Speaker 3: up and you've not grown up in poverty, You've not
Speaker 3: grown up, you know, with major money struggles. So if
Speaker 3: you to sit there and say that we will have
Speaker 3: the same twenty four hours in a day, it's not correct.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, technically what I'm saying is correct.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 3: So I understand that obviously we will have different backgrounds
Speaker 3: and we're all raise in different ways, and we do
Speaker 3: have different financial situations. But I think if you want
Speaker 3: something enough, you can achieve it, and it just depends
Speaker 3: to what lengths you want to go to get where
Speaker 3: you want to be in the future. And I'll go
Speaker 3: to any lengths, Like I've worked my absolute ass off
Speaker 3: to get where I am now. A lot of people
Speaker 3: don't think that and believe that, but it's true. I've
Speaker 3: worked so so hard.
Speaker 2: So there has been an outpouring of anger over the comments,
Speaker 2: with many dubbing Molly May's comments privilege for comparing her
Speaker 2: life to that of people working comparatively more stressful, lower
Speaker 2: paid jobs. One Twitter user road worked her ass off.
Speaker 2: I go to do my twelve hour shift to put
Speaker 2: a roof over mine and my son's head. I should
Speaker 2: have thought of this, but don't think Love Island would
Speaker 2: accept forty eight year old size fourteen single mums. Another
Speaker 2: said she literally just went on a TV dating show
Speaker 2: and got brand deals. I'm not sure she worked her
Speaker 2: ass off. Meanwhile, some fans showed support for the Love
Speaker 2: Island star. Of course this is a stupid comment, but
Speaker 2: I do feel like she's been hung out to dry
Speaker 2: a bit here. The podcast was called The Diary of
Speaker 2: a CEO, where I think she felt the need to
Speaker 2: say inspiring things like follow your dreams and you can
Speaker 2: do anything. It's tone deaf, not malicious. Another person tweeted
Speaker 2: Savo Sullivan wrote a fantastic piece for a refinery about
Speaker 2: this topic, and she pointed out that it's not the
Speaker 2: first time Molly May has been subject to a Twitter uproar,
Speaker 2: but this time it's not about her dog or the
Speaker 2: nature of her giveaway or the fact that people cared
Speaker 2: deeply about when her boyfriend Tommy Fury is going to
Speaker 2: propose instead. It speaks to the fundamental flaws at the
Speaker 2: heart of the influencer economy and the shifting ways is
Speaker 2: we conceive work. What I loved about this article is
Speaker 2: it pointed out that the twenty four hour comment really
Speaker 2: spoke to the girl Boss era of twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 2: that was when our Instagram feeds would be full of
Speaker 2: quotes saying things like you have the same twenty four
Speaker 2: hours as Beyonce and The article also pointed out that
Speaker 2: there is a distinct difference between the quantifiable period of
Speaker 2: time and how you can spend it. So, for example,
Speaker 2: people who can afford to pay for support like childcare,
Speaker 2: cleaners and assistants are paying not only for the support,
Speaker 2: but for the freedom to use their time how they
Speaker 2: say fit. So it's really difficult to compare a regular
Speaker 2: twenty two year old who may be working several jobs
Speaker 2: to cover their rent and is cooking their own food, cleaning,
Speaker 2: maybe socializing. It's very difficult to say that they have
Speaker 2: the same amount of time and free time to invest
Speaker 2: in their future as an influencer who is currently on
Speaker 2: a seven figure contract with a huge Fast Fast.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's crazy?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: When I heard these comments on the podcast, I did
Speaker 2: immediately think that it's strange to me that Molly would
Speaker 2: comment on her twenty four hours because when you watch
Speaker 2: her YouTube, so you get the impression that she actually
Speaker 2: doesn't do that much. So I did wonder if that
Speaker 2: had anything to do with the upbrough people like, are
Speaker 2: you serious. I think it definitely has added to it.
Speaker 2: And I think what's even more awkward is the fact
Speaker 2: that she is the creative director of a fast fashioned
Speaker 2: brand like Pretty Little Thing, who obviously employs workers that
Speaker 2: are living below the poverty line to create their clothes.
Speaker 2: So I think there are a lot of points here
Speaker 2: that have angered a lot of people. And as one
Speaker 2: of those Twitter commenters said, it might not have been
Speaker 2: with malice, but it was a very tone deaf thing
Speaker 2: for Molly to say. And I think she's in the
Speaker 2: position where she was elevated onto this podcast where a
Speaker 2: lot of important people go on and talk about their success,
Speaker 2: and I think it's a little bit of tool poppy
Speaker 2: syndrome in the fact that she's in a position to
Speaker 2: drag her down, and she's obviously said something that is
Speaker 2: offensive as well.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I went back and listened to the Pretty Little Thing
Speaker 2: podcast and there was an episode which featured Molly and
Speaker 2: it was crazy because this was probably early last year,
Speaker 2: and she said the same quote about having twenty four
Speaker 2: hours in a day.
Speaker 1: I actually think the fact.
Speaker 2: That someone's picked it up and put it on TikTok
Speaker 2: is the reason that there is so much anger over this,
Speaker 2: because I don't know, it seems like TikTok can expose
Speaker 2: these kind of quotes, but it also doesn't give a
Speaker 2: lot of the context of the interview. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's any denying that the comment was tone deaf. However,
Speaker 2: as you said, Amy, I think it's made to look
Speaker 2: a lot worse when it is cut up without any
Speaker 2: of that context that Molly had made throughout the whole interview.
Speaker 1: And then when you.
Speaker 2: See that isolated, you're like, what the hell, Like this
Speaker 2: is bullshit, And especially on a platform like TikTok where
Speaker 2: a lot of woke people are on a lot of
Speaker 2: young people that are angry about things, and I think
Speaker 2: it just snowballs from there. Well, the thing that does
Speaker 2: annoy me a little bit is as Sophy said, this
Speaker 2: podcast is called the Diary of a CEO, and there
Speaker 2: are a lot of other podcasts out there that are
Speaker 2: inspirational business podcasts. And I've listened to Gary V's podcast
Speaker 2: numerous times and he says lots of similar things about
Speaker 2: you know, utilizing your time and you know you can
Speaker 2: do it, and you have the opportunity just like everybody
Speaker 2: else does. The thing is the whole twenty four hours
Speaker 2: in a day common It really drives home the message
Speaker 2: that if we all have the same amount of time
Speaker 2: in the day, the only thing holding us back from
Speaker 2: our goals is not working hard enough, which really perpetuates
Speaker 2: the whole hustle culture philosophy, and it gives the impression
Speaker 2: that the power to change our circumstances is in our
Speaker 2: hands and the only thing stopping us is ourselves, which
Speaker 2: of course isn't true for people who find themselves in
Speaker 2: less fortunate situations. And the philosophy really is, as Refinery said,
Speaker 2: at the heart of influencer culture, and Refinery so cleverly
Speaker 2: pointed out that the performance of working hard is so
Speaker 2: key to an influencer's relatability. So the article said that
Speaker 2: influencers like Molly may try to reinforce the idea that
Speaker 2: the graft is primarily what got them there. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: if luck and advantages were the primary reason and no
Speaker 2: hard work or real work was put in, then it
Speaker 2: would be harder for us to buy into that idea
Speaker 2: that influencers are aspirational and most importantly relatable. I think
Speaker 2: that's so true, And I feel like in that part
Speaker 2: of the interview, Molly had been asked about appearing on
Speaker 2: Love Island and sort of was questioned about what set
Speaker 2: herself apart from the other contestants, and I feel like
Speaker 2: she was really amped up to talk about how hard
Speaker 2: she had worked in comparison to the Love Island contestants
Speaker 2: and how you know they all had had the same
Speaker 2: opportunity as her. The thing is, as you say, Kate,
Speaker 2: she was comparing herself to the other contestants, but not
Speaker 2: looking at the deeper issue of the fact that she
Speaker 2: was very lucky and in a privileged position to find
Speaker 2: herself on the show. Because you look at the people
Speaker 2: who were cast on the show, and you can't say
Speaker 2: that beauty standards don't play a role in who gets selected.
Speaker 1: Well, host of the CEO diary.
Speaker 2: Stephen Bartlet took to Twitter to defend Molly may He said,
Speaker 2: the standard the publics whole Molly may Too is absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 1: Hero.
Speaker 2: I've become very aware of the double standard successful women face.
Speaker 2: If I interview a man, he can brag about money,
Speaker 2: take full credit for his success, and talk about his cars.
Speaker 2: I've had male guests say what she said and no
Speaker 2: one cared gender issues aside. The standard we hold Molly
Speaker 2: may Too as a twenty two year old who is
Speaker 2: figuring out the world is absolutely outrageous. I do agree
Speaker 2: a lot with what Stephen has said here because I
Speaker 2: do think gender does come into play, and I think
Speaker 2: there is a lot of internalized misogyny in the way
Speaker 2: that we view women earning a lot of money, and
Speaker 2: we sometimes get our back up about it. And I think,
Speaker 2: in particular with influencers, I think it's difficult because whilst
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that Molly may has worked incredibly hard
Speaker 2: by her own standard to get where she is, I
Speaker 2: think what constitutes hard work in the life of an
Speaker 2: influencer seems to be very different to outsiders who work
Speaker 2: a nine till five grind, or someone working grueling shift work.
Speaker 2: We tend to view influencer work as easy and simple
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of benefits and glamorous sides
Speaker 2: to it. Well. I think that's also how they portray
Speaker 2: it on YouTube, because often when I'm watching Molly May's YouTube,
Speaker 2: she has in the past spoken about how she's gone
Speaker 2: to bed really late because she's been watching movies and
Speaker 2: getting taken away and then gotten up really late again
Speaker 2: and not done much. And I think it's sort of also,
Speaker 2: as you were saying before, how they portray themselves online
Speaker 2: to remain relatable, because I have watched a lot of
Speaker 2: YouTubers say that they normally film on their days off,
Speaker 2: which I think is detrimental to themselves because this is
Speaker 2: what you think everyday life is like for them, when
Speaker 2: it may be not like that at all. They might
Speaker 2: actually be working hard. I also think people lack sympathy
Speaker 2: when someone is being paid incredibly well for their job.
Speaker 2: Now there have been reports that Molly May is being
Speaker 2: paid a seven figure sum for her role as creative
Speaker 2: director of Pretty Little Thing, and even in the interview
Speaker 2: when Steven questioned Molly about what her role actually encompassed,
Speaker 2: there was a bit of a question, even in my
Speaker 2: mind going on of war, what she actually does in
Speaker 2: that role. I mean, let's just be honest. The comment
Speaker 2: that she made was incredibly careless. I do wonder how
Speaker 2: much weight all of the media coverage surrounding el Darby's
Speaker 2: racist comments had because I noticed that a lot of
Speaker 2: articles about Molly May then linked back to the el
Speaker 2: Derby controversy. And I feel like at the moment, with
Speaker 2: it being the start of the year, it's like people
Speaker 2: are on holidays and they're kind of looking to be
Speaker 2: outraged by something. So well, I feel like media organizations
Speaker 2: also know there's currency in covering these backlashes and influencer
Speaker 2: apologies because even one of the articles I read in
Speaker 2: the Sun they said the groveling apology from Molly May,
Speaker 2: and I noticed that that was the exact way they
Speaker 2: led about l Darby's apology. Well, talking about that apology,
Speaker 2: shall we get into Molly's because she said I wanted
Speaker 2: to come back online today as normal, but I feel
Speaker 2: like before I do, I just wanted to say this.
Speaker 2: When I say or post anything online, it is never
Speaker 2: with malice or ill intent. I completely appreciate that things
Speaker 2: can affect different people in different ways. However, I just
Speaker 2: want to stress that I would never intend to hurt
Speaker 2: or upset anyone by anything I say or do. I
Speaker 2: apologize to the people that have been affected negatively or
Speaker 2: misunderstood the meaning of what I said in the podcast.
Speaker 2: The intention of the podcast will only ever to tell
Speaker 2: my story and inspire from my experience. Loved You will
Speaker 2: always I really feel like it's a.
Speaker 1: Bit of a nothing apology. Yeah, I tend to agree.
Speaker 2: I think it had a bit of a tone of
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you misunderstood and took what I said
Speaker 2: in the wrong way. And even if that's how she feels,
Speaker 2: and I mean, we've just been discussing that, we do
Speaker 2: think there are elements where people have blown this tone
Speaker 2: deaf comment out of proportion. I do think when you
Speaker 2: are making an apology on.
Speaker 1: Such a big stage.
Speaker 2: Like she is, that she did need to hold up
Speaker 2: her hands and say my comment was tone death, I'm
Speaker 2: going to learn from it, this is how I'm going
Speaker 2: to move forward. Like it didn't really hit all the
Speaker 2: right notes for me that an influence apology should. Then again,
Speaker 2: I think maybe she wasn't sorry because she was probably
Speaker 2: copying so much vile hate from people online. Even Bartlett
Speaker 2: said in his Twitter post that you know, we must
Speaker 2: remember to be kind and reference Caroline Flax. So I
Speaker 2: can only imagine the comments that Molly may must have
Speaker 2: been receiving, and the fact that so many men on
Speaker 2: this Diary of a CEO podcast said the exact same
Speaker 2: thing and received no backlash. Maybe she didn't really feel
Speaker 2: like apologizing. Yeah, but that's the thing I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: saying that I totally think her comment was tone deaf,
Speaker 2: but I don't think the reaction has matched what she
Speaker 2: actually said.
Speaker 6: So we have come to Victoria Park and we've just
Speaker 6: on a little lap around the park and I actually
Speaker 6: am feeling really good. It actually gave me a bit
Speaker 6: of momentum.
Speaker 3: So Princess.
Speaker 6: Okay, Princess Victoria Park, Well, I can tell people exactly
Speaker 6: where I was. I thought that would be dumb. They'll
Speaker 6: come at you for that, but like I just didn't
Speaker 6: who gives the exact location of where they.
Speaker 5: Are we're sitting Anyways, I was.
Speaker 6: About to say something important.
Speaker 2: Bella Valares has denied accidentally uploading a screenshot of her
Speaker 2: bank account to her instant story. The former A Bachelorette
Speaker 2: contestant claims her Instagram was hacked and the account details
Speaker 2: are not hers. Kate, can you tell us what happened? Well,
Speaker 2: just a quick recap. On Monday show, we discussed how
Speaker 2: a screenshot had briefly appeared on Bella's insta story showing
Speaker 2: a bank account with more than ninety eight thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in savings Now. The screenshot was swiftly deleted, which led
Speaker 2: many people to believe she had accidentally uploaded the details. However,
Speaker 2: since our episode went live on Monday, we received a
Speaker 2: message from Bella saying the following. She wrote, Hi, guys,
Speaker 2: I've just got sent a blurb from a podcast you
Speaker 2: put out about me and my savings account. My Instagram
Speaker 2: was hacked and that wasn't a screenshot of my bank account.
Speaker 2: This is why I got taken down as soon as
Speaker 2: I regained access to my account. Your podcast has made
Speaker 2: it out like it's something I did on purpose, and
Speaker 2: you seem like genuinely nice people, so I'm not sure
Speaker 2: why you would go out of your way to fabricate
Speaker 2: a whole scenario without first checking with the person.
Speaker 1: There has now been.
Speaker 2: Articles made, and it's immensely distressing that they are making
Speaker 2: it out like this is something I have done on purpose.
Speaker 2: Who in their right mind would share a photo of
Speaker 2: their savings. I'd appreciate if you rectified the situation now.
Speaker 1: We responded straight.
Speaker 2: Away, saying we were unaware her account had been hacked
Speaker 2: and we were sorry if we had contributed to any
Speaker 2: distress that she was experiencing. We also went on to
Speaker 2: explain that we used the story as a hook to
Speaker 2: discuss the hot topic of influencers pay, and that we
Speaker 2: were happy to update our listeners on Friday with the
Speaker 2: details she provided. However, Bella viewed our reply and is
Speaker 2: yet to respond. She did, however, do an interview with Pedestrian,
Speaker 2: where she again reiterated her Instagram was hacked and it
Speaker 2: wasn't a screenshot of her bank account. She said, that
Speaker 2: is why it got taken down as soon as I
Speaker 2: regained access to my account. She went on to say
Speaker 2: that the incident had been immensely distressing again for her,
Speaker 2: and she's been receiving hate messages on Instagram. Bella said,
Speaker 2: I had no control of the situation, and it's been
Speaker 2: made out like it was done on purpose. It's just
Speaker 2: unfortunate that people jump to conclusions and judge when they
Speaker 2: see a media article, they don't think to take into
Speaker 2: consideration that its third degree information that's being used, along
Speaker 2: with biased opinions from the people talking about it or
Speaker 2: writing about it. I understand it comes with the territory,
Speaker 2: but the hate messages shouldn't be. Didn't anyone think to themselves,
Speaker 2: she's obviously been hacked. Who would actually willingly share their
Speaker 2: bank details? And what kind of people would then share
Speaker 2: that to a Facebook page without knowing the full story.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous and pathetic. Now what did you guys make
Speaker 2: of all of this? I do feel for Bella, because
Speaker 2: no one should ever be copying hate messages. However, I'm
Speaker 2: surprised by her thought process because to me, it isn't
Speaker 2: my first thought, Oh, this person must have been hacked.
Speaker 2: My first thought is wow, this person must have accidentally
Speaker 2: uploaded their private details, especially because she didn't then write
Speaker 2: a message saying hey guys, I've been hacked. And also,
Speaker 2: how does she gain access to her account so quickly
Speaker 2: to remove the side instantly? Yeah, well, that's what I
Speaker 2: want to know, because I feel like there's different levels
Speaker 2: of hacking, and she has been pretty vague with the
Speaker 2: details about this hacking. So, for example, I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people have experienced being hacked by their sibling
Speaker 2: or their friend when someone steals their phone and posts
Speaker 2: something as a joke, which I think that this could
Speaker 2: fall into this category. But then I feel like she's
Speaker 2: referencing that she was hacked by a third party. But
Speaker 2: I feel like it doesn't really match up to the
Speaker 2: story because it would take a long time, you would
Speaker 2: think to regain access to your account. I mean, Sophie,
Speaker 2: you took about a week to get back into your
Speaker 2: Facebook account and that wasn't even hacked. That was just
Speaker 2: because you forgot your password. But why would you hack
Speaker 2: some Why would you hack someone's Instagram to put up
Speaker 2: a screenshot of a bank account? Like, is she claiming
Speaker 2: that it's not her bank account and she claiming that
Speaker 2: it is and someone else put it up there. No,
Speaker 2: she's saying that this isn't her bank account. The thing
Speaker 2: that also blows my mind is she's acting like she
Speaker 2: doesn't have any right of reply. But if she was hacked,
Speaker 2: why didn't she go on and address it straight away
Speaker 2: and say sorry, guys, my Instagram got hacked. Why does
Speaker 2: she then have to give out interviews to pedestrian, and
Speaker 2: you know, to clear up the story, just jump on
Speaker 2: your story and say what happened? Yeah, but why would
Speaker 2: anyone hack someone's account?
Speaker 1: Upload?
Speaker 2: Is it meant to be embarrassing that she's only got
Speaker 2: like ninety eight K and savings? I don't understand it
Speaker 2: all doesn't make it seem the funny thing is it
Speaker 2: seems like she is embarrassed, like, no, that's not my account.
Speaker 1: I've got way more money.
Speaker 5: Entire Channel four news team, I'm Veronica Corningstone.
Speaker 4: And I'm Ron Burgundy.
Speaker 6: Go fuck yourself, san Diego.
Speaker 2: Leaked vision of seven News readers Rebecca Madden and Mike
Speaker 2: Aymore calling tennis player Novak Djokovic and asshole has gone viral.
Speaker 2: The incident has sparked an investigation by the Seven network
Speaker 2: to find the culprit responsible for the leak, while many
Speaker 2: are now speculating the whole debarcle could have been an
Speaker 2: elaborate publicity stunt amy, can you tell us more well?
Speaker 2: The leaked vision shows Rebecca Madden and Mike Amore sitting
Speaker 2: at the news desk getting ready to present the nightly
Speaker 2: news bulletin. And having worked in TV news, it's very
Speaker 2: common for newsreaders to discuss the headlines before the news
Speaker 2: actually begins. So on Wednesday morning, the vision surfaced online
Speaker 2: and quickly made headlines around the country. I think we
Speaker 2: should have a list into what was said.
Speaker 5: That talk of each is a lying, sneaky asshole, Like
Speaker 5: whatever way you look at it, it's unfortunate that everybody
Speaker 5: else stuffed up around. That's it like to go out
Speaker 5: when you know you COVID positive. Well I don't think
Speaker 5: he wasn't even COVID positive.
Speaker 6: That bullshit.
Speaker 4: Fell over his lies, which is what happens, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what's happening.
Speaker 5: And then him now then ticking he didn't go to Spain.
Speaker 4: It's just like, but I think I think he's going
Speaker 4: to get away with it.
Speaker 5: He is going to get away with it.
Speaker 2: I think most fairminded people would say, look, Blakes an asshole.
Speaker 6: Did we did they do the right thing by him?
Speaker 5: I don't know, don't.
Speaker 2: That So first it was everyone's reaction to the comments.
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised because, as you said, Amy, we've all
Speaker 2: worked newsrooms before, and it's pretty common, as you said,
Speaker 2: for the newsreaders to have a pretty open chat. I
Speaker 2: mean I was sometimes surprised how open some of them
Speaker 2: would be when they were miked up, particularly because vision like.
Speaker 1: This can leak. But I wasn't surprised to.
Speaker 2: All, and I really agreed with their commentary. To be honest,
Speaker 2: I kind of liked seeing the real and raw side
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 1: It made me like them.
Speaker 2: I think they just said what a lot of Australians
Speaker 2: were thinking. And it was quite funny because a lot
Speaker 2: of people seemed outraged by the swearing. But as someone
Speaker 2: who has worked in a newsroom that's pretty regular, that's
Speaker 2: where normal. Yeah, that's where I picked up a lot
Speaker 2: of my bad swearing from.
Speaker 1: I do think a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people were surprised how off the cuff the comments were, because,
Speaker 2: as we said, the general public aren't used to seeing
Speaker 2: new newsreaders in that light because they're normally so prim
Speaker 2: and proper on air. However, I feel like when these
Speaker 2: reports first came out, I initially thought, oh gosh, this
Speaker 2: is going to really damage Rebecca and Mike's image, but
Speaker 2: it really seems to have done the opposite if you
Speaker 2: look online. So Twitter was ablaze with praise for the pair.
Speaker 2: So author and broadcaster Justin Smith wrote yesterday, I thought
Speaker 2: Mike Amore and Rebecca Madden were professionals with integrity. Today,
Speaker 2: I feel exactly the same, except I like them just
Speaker 2: that little bit more. Writer Jess Maguire tweeted that seven
Speaker 2: News footage where the host called Novak Djokovic a lying,
Speaker 2: sneaking asshole is a delight and honestly, I'd love nightly
Speaker 2: news shows where hosts spoke so frankly, so Amy, What
Speaker 2: did you make of the initial reporting of the leaked division? Well,
Speaker 2: to be honest, I was a little bit annoyed by
Speaker 2: the initial coverage because a lot of the headlines only
Speaker 2: named Rebecca Madden, and they were headlines like Rebecca and
Speaker 2: Madden calls Novak Djokovic a sneaky little asshole, and I thought,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, she's gonna get absolutely crucified at work
Speaker 2: and also by.
Speaker 1: The general public.
Speaker 2: And it did really annoy me that it seemed to be, again,
Speaker 2: the media, we're picking on the woman in this instance,
Speaker 2: just playing devil's advocate. Do you think that that's because
Speaker 2: she does have a higher profile nationally than Mike Amoor.
Speaker 1: Because she was on the footy show. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think Mike Aimore is a very well respected journalist
Speaker 2: as well, and I think it would have been just
Speaker 2: as shocking for them to include him in the headline.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: According to media reports, Seven are furious about this league
Speaker 2: and have said that the vision was illegally obtained. Amy,
Speaker 2: what are they putting that down to Well. Seven's director
Speaker 2: of News and Public Affairs, Craig McPherson described the league
Speaker 2: as cowardly and said it was in breach of the
Speaker 2: Victorian listening devices legislation. He also said the perpetrator would
Speaker 2: be accordingly dealt with when found. I find this all
Speaker 2: very interesting because it seems to be a complete backflip
Speaker 2: to the way Seven handled the issue with their reporter
Speaker 2: Georgia love So, the former bachelorette was embroiled in a
Speaker 2: racist Instagram story scandal and at the time there were
Speaker 2: emails leaked between her and her co worker Nathan Templeton.
Speaker 2: And it's not like Seven came out and said that
Speaker 2: this is disgusting or anything. They stayed quiet on the matter.
Speaker 2: So I wonder what the change of heart is all about. Okay,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, it's not the first leak at the
Speaker 2: seven Melbourne newsroom. It seems to be happening to Seven
Speaker 2: Melbourne time and time again, because in February twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: there were several emails from the newsroom that were leaked,
Speaker 2: which many media networks said revealed that the seven News
Speaker 2: office had a mean girl's culture. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys remember this, but one of the emails
Speaker 2: in question was from executive news producer Lynn Scrivens, and
Speaker 2: it said twenty eighteen was, without doubt.
Speaker 1: Been the year of the women.
Speaker 2: Around the world, women are standing up for themselves, being
Speaker 2: taken seriously, getting more opportunities. Yet here in the seven
Speaker 2: newsroom it seems we are still a bit behind the times.
Speaker 2: The bitching and backstabbing. I'm so done with it, all
Speaker 2: of us. I'm sure have been guilty of having a
Speaker 2: bitch about a colleague. Enough already, Let's start supporting each
Speaker 2: other as women in an industry dominated by men. People
Speaker 2: who spend spare time at work looking for stories, not
Speaker 2: gossiping or online shopping will do well in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: And what I find interesting.
Speaker 2: Is it is clear that these email leaks came from
Speaker 2: somebody within the Seven network where it's come out now,
Speaker 2: the leak of this vision actually came from an outsider,
Speaker 2: So maybe that's why Seven are now pushing to expose
Speaker 2: who did it, so it takes the heat off the network.
Speaker 1: So it seems like.
Speaker 2: They're internally dealing with the other email leagues, but as
Speaker 2: you said, this is a third party, so they're putting
Speaker 2: them out to dry basically, well, I think they want
Speaker 2: to make it clear that it wasn't somebody at the
Speaker 2: seven network who actually leaked it. So initially there were
Speaker 2: multiple reports saying that this must have been a disgruntled
Speaker 2: seven employee. However, it's come out now that the blame
Speaker 2: has been put on a captioning service which is believed
Speaker 2: to be responsible for the leak. So the company has
Speaker 2: access to the nightly news feed and then they add
Speaker 2: the captions for people to read. So The Australian has
Speaker 2: reported that the captioning company is AI Media, who have
Speaker 2: launched their own investigation into the leak, and it's understood
Speaker 2: they're currently interviewing staff and conducting extensive IT networking traces
Speaker 2: and it's thought that once the cultport has identified, the
Speaker 2: incident will then be reported to police.
Speaker 1: So what's really fascinating is it was actually the.
Speaker 2: Time stamp in the right hand corner which cleared seven staff.
Speaker 2: So this time stamp doesn't appear on internal seven video outputs.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm assuming Seven have come out in
Speaker 2: such a strong way to say, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: find this person because it was clear it's not a
Speaker 2: seven staffer. Well, the controversy actually ended up being a
Speaker 2: ratings win for Seven on Wednesday night, forty thousand extra viewers.
Speaker 2: Then the previous night tuned in to watch the bulletin
Speaker 2: affronted by Rebecca and Mike, and this has led many
Speaker 2: to speculate whether the leak was actually a publicity stunt.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think? I don't think there's any
Speaker 2: way that Seven would actually allow this to be put out.
Speaker 2: I think they've been involved in so many scandals recently
Speaker 2: that it's just not a good look for the network.
Speaker 2: I think it's ended out being a good move personally
Speaker 2: for the reporters. However, it doesn't reflect well on the
Speaker 2: network as a whole. Well, the thing is, I think
Speaker 2: the reason why so many people think that it could
Speaker 2: be a publicity stunt is the fact that Rebecca Madden
Speaker 2: has only just returned to the seven network from nine,
Speaker 2: so she was at nine for five and a half years,
Speaker 2: and she only returned in early January, so now everybody
Speaker 2: knows she's back at seven after this vision is leaked,
Speaker 2: and because the reception from the public has been so positive,
Speaker 2: that's obviously led people to speculating. But I agree with you, Kay,
Speaker 2: I think there is no way the seven network would
Speaker 2: air something like this because they could never have predicted
Speaker 2: that the public response would be this way. Well, that
Speaker 2: being said, I don't think that would have been so
Speaker 2: difficult to predict.
Speaker 1: At the moment.
Speaker 2: Online there's been so much backlash towards Novak Djokovic, and
Speaker 2: the general consensus is that he is a complete asshole.
Speaker 2: So I feel like putting out that sort of content
Speaker 2: where the anchors are speaking the way that we all speak,
Speaker 2: They're having a great chat, they're sounding like everyday people
Speaker 2: you can get along with. I can see why people
Speaker 2: would think this is leak.
Speaker 1: I can see it.
Speaker 2: But the whole thing with news is that journalists are
Speaker 2: meant to be unbiased and they're not meant to push
Speaker 2: their own opinion in the story. And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people were like, oh, well, why would I
Speaker 2: listen to you because you're obviously coming from your own agenda,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that's good from a.
Speaker 1: News perspective at all.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think that's all we've got time
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