WEBVTT - Molly-Mae's '24 Hour' Backlash, The 'Sneaky Arsehole' Leak & The Insta Hack 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.200 This is Outspoken. 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:05.000 The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torber. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.800 We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.200 so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:21.760 reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:27.880 so fetch Thank you, Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:28.280 Now. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.080 We wanted to kick off today's. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:34.400 Podcast by discussing tear my situations with your parents, because 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.199 we all consider our mum our best friend. But I 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.520 feel like there are just some things that you don't 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.520 discuss with your mum, and there are also some things 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:44.680 that you just don't want to know about as well. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.760 So I feel like that's even the case with the 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:47.480 three of us. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.880 Like some people might think that we share intimate details 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.160 with one another, or that we get change in front 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:54.880 of one another, but we do have some. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.920 You know, guidelines, abound boundary. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.720 We'll go to the toilet in front of each other, 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.680 but I wouldn't like have a shower in front of you. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.240 I feel like there's a bit of a line. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.840 But the stupid thing is we probably look exactly the same, Like, 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.560 I just find it quite funny. I don't think it'd 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.360 be as embarrassed about that. I think that was more 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.880 through puberty that you don't want to be seen, I suppose. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.160 I think we're all over that now. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.160 I mean, we didn't even when we were little, discuss 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.840 our periods with each other, Like we all kept it quiet, 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.720 But now we always discuss it. So maybe it's a 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.759 thing about getting older. I feel like that was only 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.600 as much. I thought that was only when we were twelve. Anyway, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.360 I think this conversation is getting two TMI well. That 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.520 being said, I also don't think that most people share 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.040 intimate parts about their personal relationships with their mum the 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.720 way that influencer Saffron Barker has. Yeah, so so I 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.319 when I were cacking ourselves this week watching twenty one 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.440 year old YouTuber Saffron Barker and her latest video entitled 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.200 asking My Mum Questions. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.960 You're too afraid to ask yours? Now, this isn't a 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:51.520 new trend. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.680 There have been other videos released, but I feel like 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.680 this was probably the most honest one of these videos 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.120 I've seen. So some of the questions Saffron asked her 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.680 mum included has she ever heard Saffron having sex in 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.680 her bedroom? Do her mum and dad still have sex? 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.040 And does Saffron's mum go snooping in her room? 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:11.400 Now her mum? 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.960 Wendy, she was an absolute trooper during this video and she. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:16.520 Answered some of the questions. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.560 Sometimes I feel like too honestly. Let's have a listen 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:20.920 to what Wendy said. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.480 Do you still have sex with dad? 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:22.880 Oh? 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:24.639 God, I didn't want to ask. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:30.960 I think I am not hundred Sometimes when I have to, oh, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:35.560 are you forty six? Forty six? Forty six? I think 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.680 you answer is probably still yes. I think people probably 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.720 have sex a lot longer than that. To be fairly clean, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.000 you out thinking about it, out thinking about myself so 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.079 at that age, or anything, but to be honest, to 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.760 quench me, I think, abou anyone having sex and I'll 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:49.600 try not to right. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.080 Probably a good idea. So well, this question is is 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.720 sex still is good after doing it with self? 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.840 I don't know, because I like to change it up 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.520 a bit. When I can shut up, I think I'm 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.080 not asking for I don't want to hear this. From 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.359 a point of view is as a person, I feel 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.120 like the more you have sex for the same person 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.760 the more we get to know each other, like, so 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:16.080 I would imagine that that probably is better. There's some 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.679 random dude that you just met that like probably just 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:23.000 wants it all for himself. Oh god, I'm maybe getting 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.120 paid for this. I wanted to go to Costo and 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.160 get a coffee and not even getting that. I'll get 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.120 you that thank you think you're glad. You might need 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.880 a box there. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.600 I feel like Wendy should get some of the ad 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.720 revenue off this video because she was absolutely amazing. I 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.960 did love the tension in the car because you could 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.320 tell that this wasn't rehearsed. They actually genuinely felt awkward. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.360 I feel like it was the same sort of mood 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.920 when there's a sex scene on and you're sitting with 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.080 your parents and everyone's trying to look away at the screen. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.080 I feel like that was the vibe going on in 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:52.600 that car. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.360 I feel like it was also a bit contentious because 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.360 Saffron has recently just broken up with her ex boyfriend, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.280 so I feel like the mum was kind of going 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.080 there with some of the comments about the because she 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.280 also said that she can't stand Saffron's baby voice, that 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.160 she did with him. Yeah, that was one of my 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.800 favorite bits because I remember when they were together there 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.960 was a few potshots made about the baby voice, but. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.040 You could tell the mum went in hard. Then once 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:16.920 they've broken up. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.480 I do love Wendy. She almost reminds me a bit 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.280 of the mum out of mean girls. It's like kind 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.919 of the cool mum that's willing to sort of have 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.000 these conversations with her daughter. It's funny because this YouTube 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.840 is all about questions you're too afraid to ask your parents. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.160 But these are just questions that I would never ever 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:33.719 ever want to know the answer. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.719 You can't just be happy with where you are, like, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.200 there's always more to. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:38.719 Be a cheat. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.440 UK influencer Molly May Haig has been labeled tone deaf 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.520 and privileged after commenting on a podcast that we all 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.200 have the same twenty four hours in the day. The 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.000 backlashes spark discussions about the shifting ways we view work, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.200 as well as how we respond to successful women. So, Kate, 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:56.839 can you tell us exactly what happened? 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:57.559 Well? 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:58.440 Molly May has. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.240 Come under fire for comments she may on popular podcast 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.320 Diary of a CEO and to be totally transparent, we 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.920 did do a segment on Molly May's interview with Stephen 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.159 Bartlett when the episode dropped back on the thirteenth of December. However, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.640 we did not cover the twenty four hour statement at 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.000 the time, nor did the mainstream media, who instead chose 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.080 to create headlines about Molly having no friends and choosing 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.240 to make money over making time with friends. Now, the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.159 comment at the time didn't stick out to us because, 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.839 to put it into perspective, the episode in question was 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.360 over an hour and forty two minutes long and it really. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.279 Did cover a lot. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.680 So the backlash only just hit over the weekend after 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.920 a condensed version of the clip was shared on Twitter 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.799 and TikTok. Now, Sophy, can you tell us more about 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.480 the comment the comments in question that have come under 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.520 fires around privilege and background And before we do get 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.320 into the quotes, I really wanted to provide some context 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.720 that I don't feel was given in the press coverage 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.359 or in the social media clips. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:55.760 So going into the. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.080 Podcast, as the name suggests, Diary of a CEO is 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.080 a podcast which explores the unfiltered journey of some of 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.640 the world's most influential people and experts, and it is 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.239 targeted as a motivational podcast that sheds light on people's 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.120 remarkable rises to success and also gives insights into how 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.320 they got there now. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.360 The host, Stephen. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.600 Bartlett, is a twenty nine year old British businessman who 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.480 was born in Botswana and moved to the UK at 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.120 the age of two, and he describes himself as a 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.440 university dropout who once stole food from a corner shop 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.560 and forage for loose change to keep his hunger at bay. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.600 Now Stephen dropped out of UNI and founded two social 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.240 media marketing companies called Social Chain and Media Chain, which 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.880 are now worth over three hundred million pounds, and he 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.080 became a self made millionaire at just twenty three and 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.080 more recently, Stephen has appeared as the youngest investor on 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.120 the BBC show The Dragon's Den Now. When he joined 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.520 the show, he said he hopes young people from less 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.560 privileged backgrounds like his, especially minorities who don't always see 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.960 themselves reflected in certain programs or industries, will. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.360 Feel enabled now. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.920 During the interview, Stephen discussed Molly's childhood and the fact 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.880 that she had grown up with police officer parents in 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.240 the small town of hitchin Stephen said, your mom and dad, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.880 as police officers, live very solid lives and careers. I 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.040 always wonder at a young age how much of it 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.480 is an innate desire to get more and be different 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.120 and not live the standard life, or how much is 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.960 it following the heart and seeing where it goes. Now, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.160 Molly responded saying she was petrified of living a very 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.280 ordinary life. And this is the first instance. When she 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.960 touched on the twenty four hour comment, this is what 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:32.480 she said. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.800 I think for me, watching my parents have a very 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.200 ordinary life, it sort of petrified me at there. It 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.800 was like a bit terrifying, the thought of I don't 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.200 want to grow up in this house and when I'm 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.280 old in my rocking chat, I tell my grandkids, you know, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.040 like I had this really ordinary life and I had 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.440 an ordinary job, I had an ordinary income like that. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:52.480 It petrified me. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.760 From I think around, I recognized started fitting that way 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.520 from about fifteen. I realized that the world is literally ourystan. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.360 We can do whatever we want with the twenty four 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.240 hours in the day that we're given. So why had 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.640 am I not going to go out and meet the 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.280 most of them and do crazy things. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.560 Molly then went on to say that as a teenager, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.960 she was desperate to leave her small town to move 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.440 to Manchester to kick start her influencing career. Now, her 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.920 following had started to gain traction at the time, and 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.120 she had found a management team in Manchester. So at 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.120 the age of eighteen, she dropped the news to her 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.600 parents that she found herself a flat and within a 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.480 week left their home. She said that at the time 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.080 she could barely afford her rent and was making one 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.200 thousand dollars a month of her influencing jobs, and her 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.000 rent was nine hundred pounds, so she was living paycheck 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.320 to paycheck now. This conversation then led to Stephen comparing 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.280 his experience of growing up in a small town to 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.320 her experience. Stephen said, as you look back at that 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.120 young girl in Hitchin, I'm from a small town myself 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.840 with not a lot of global dreaming going on. What 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.440 have you learned about the nature of confidence and how 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.880 it builds and how capable and powerful your potential really 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.760 is as you've climbed up. Now this is where Molly 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.000 again reference the contentious twenty four hour comment. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.559 Here's what she said, Beyonce has the same twenty four 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.400 hours in a day that we do. And I just 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.160 think like, it's literally you're given one life and it's 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.280 down to you what you do with it, Like you 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.680 can literally go in any direction. And when I've spoken 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.720 about that before in the past, I have been slammed 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.240 a little bit with people saying, you know, like it's 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:19.720 easy for you to say that, you know, you've grown 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.520 up and you've not grown up in poverty, You've not 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.960 grown up, you know, with major money struggles. So if 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.520 you to sit there and say that we will have 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.600 the same twenty four hours in a day, it's not correct. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.120 And I'm like, technically what I'm saying is correct. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:30.800 We do. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.320 So I understand that obviously we will have different backgrounds 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:34.840 and we're all raise in different ways, and we do 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.760 have different financial situations. But I think if you want 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.280 something enough, you can achieve it, and it just depends 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:41.840 to what lengths you want to go to get where 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.680 you want to be in the future. And I'll go 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.720 to any lengths, Like I've worked my absolute ass off 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.360 to get where I am now. A lot of people 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.760 don't think that and believe that, but it's true. I've 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.120 worked so so hard. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.320 So there has been an outpouring of anger over the comments, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.719 with many dubbing Molly May's comments privilege for comparing her 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.800 life to that of people working comparatively more stressful, lower 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.200 paid jobs. One Twitter user road worked her ass off. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.040 I go to do my twelve hour shift to put 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.480 a roof over mine and my son's head. I should 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.640 have thought of this, but don't think Love Island would 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.040 accept forty eight year old size fourteen single mums. Another 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.800 said she literally just went on a TV dating show 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.280 and got brand deals. I'm not sure she worked her 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.360 ass off. Meanwhile, some fans showed support for the Love 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.080 Island star. Of course this is a stupid comment, but 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.040 I do feel like she's been hung out to dry 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.440 a bit here. The podcast was called The Diary of 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.840 a CEO, where I think she felt the need to 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.679 say inspiring things like follow your dreams and you can 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.040 do anything. It's tone deaf, not malicious. Another person tweeted 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.000 Savo Sullivan wrote a fantastic piece for a refinery about 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.040 this topic, and she pointed out that it's not the 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.520 first time Molly May has been subject to a Twitter uproar, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.880 but this time it's not about her dog or the 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.360 nature of her giveaway or the fact that people cared 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.280 deeply about when her boyfriend Tommy Fury is going to 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.320 propose instead. It speaks to the fundamental flaws at the 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.080 heart of the influencer economy and the shifting ways is 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.040 we conceive work. What I loved about this article is 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.720 it pointed out that the twenty four hour comment really 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.200 spoke to the girl Boss era of twenty fourteen, and 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.240 that was when our Instagram feeds would be full of 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.720 quotes saying things like you have the same twenty four 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.280 hours as Beyonce and The article also pointed out that 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.760 there is a distinct difference between the quantifiable period of 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.360 time and how you can spend it. So, for example, 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.880 people who can afford to pay for support like childcare, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.360 cleaners and assistants are paying not only for the support, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.679 but for the freedom to use their time how they 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.640 say fit. So it's really difficult to compare a regular 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.120 twenty two year old who may be working several jobs 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.440 to cover their rent and is cooking their own food, cleaning, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.760 maybe socializing. It's very difficult to say that they have 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.760 the same amount of time and free time to invest 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.000 in their future as an influencer who is currently on 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.920 a seven figure contract with a huge Fast Fast. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:01.440 Do you know what's crazy? 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:01.640 Though? 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.319 When I heard these comments on the podcast, I did 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.560 immediately think that it's strange to me that Molly would 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.160 comment on her twenty four hours because when you watch 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.320 her YouTube, so you get the impression that she actually 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.760 doesn't do that much. So I did wonder if that 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.160 had anything to do with the upbrough people like, are 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.280 you serious. I think it definitely has added to it. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.600 And I think what's even more awkward is the fact 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.360 that she is the creative director of a fast fashioned 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.760 brand like Pretty Little Thing, who obviously employs workers that 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.640 are living below the poverty line to create their clothes. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.439 So I think there are a lot of points here 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.079 that have angered a lot of people. And as one 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.280 of those Twitter commenters said, it might not have been 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.480 with malice, but it was a very tone deaf thing 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.760 for Molly to say. And I think she's in the 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.719 position where she was elevated onto this podcast where a 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.800 lot of important people go on and talk about their success, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.440 and I think it's a little bit of tool poppy 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.800 syndrome in the fact that she's in a position to 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.480 drag her down, and she's obviously said something that is 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:00.520 offensive as well. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:00.920 Well. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.719 I went back and listened to the Pretty Little Thing 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.480 podcast and there was an episode which featured Molly and 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.680 it was crazy because this was probably early last year, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.520 and she said the same quote about having twenty four 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:12.440 hours in a day. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.280 I actually think the fact. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.360 That someone's picked it up and put it on TikTok 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.000 is the reason that there is so much anger over this, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.280 because I don't know, it seems like TikTok can expose 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.520 these kind of quotes, but it also doesn't give a 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.760 lot of the context of the interview. I don't think 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.720 there's any denying that the comment was tone deaf. However, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.640 as you said, Amy, I think it's made to look 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.000 a lot worse when it is cut up without any 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.040 of that context that Molly had made throughout the whole interview. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.000 And then when you. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.000 See that isolated, you're like, what the hell, Like this 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.160 is bullshit, And especially on a platform like TikTok where 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.280 a lot of woke people are on a lot of 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.040 young people that are angry about things, and I think 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.439 it just snowballs from there. Well, the thing that does 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.360 annoy me a little bit is as Sophy said, this 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.960 podcast is called the Diary of a CEO, and there 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.040 are a lot of other podcasts out there that are 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.600 inspirational business podcasts. And I've listened to Gary V's podcast 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.760 numerous times and he says lots of similar things about 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.200 you know, utilizing your time and you know you can 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.640 do it, and you have the opportunity just like everybody 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.520 else does. The thing is the whole twenty four hours 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.080 in a day common It really drives home the message 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.560 that if we all have the same amount of time 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.560 in the day, the only thing holding us back from 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.160 our goals is not working hard enough, which really perpetuates 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.680 the whole hustle culture philosophy, and it gives the impression 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.360 that the power to change our circumstances is in our 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.040 hands and the only thing stopping us is ourselves, which 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.760 of course isn't true for people who find themselves in 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.720 less fortunate situations. And the philosophy really is, as Refinery said, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.680 at the heart of influencer culture, and Refinery so cleverly 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.320 pointed out that the performance of working hard is so 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.160 key to an influencer's relatability. So the article said that 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.440 influencers like Molly may try to reinforce the idea that 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.600 the graft is primarily what got them there. Yeah, because 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.640 if luck and advantages were the primary reason and no 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.840 hard work or real work was put in, then it 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.520 would be harder for us to buy into that idea 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.520 that influencers are aspirational and most importantly relatable. I think 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.440 that's so true, And I feel like in that part 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.680 of the interview, Molly had been asked about appearing on 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.640 Love Island and sort of was questioned about what set 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.840 herself apart from the other contestants, and I feel like 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.840 she was really amped up to talk about how hard 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.160 she had worked in comparison to the Love Island contestants 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.400 and how you know they all had had the same 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.320 opportunity as her. The thing is, as you say, Kate, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.040 she was comparing herself to the other contestants, but not 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.320 looking at the deeper issue of the fact that she 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.400 was very lucky and in a privileged position to find 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.600 herself on the show. Because you look at the people 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.720 who were cast on the show, and you can't say 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.080 that beauty standards don't play a role in who gets selected. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.040 Well, host of the CEO diary. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.600 Stephen Bartlet took to Twitter to defend Molly may He said, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.720 the standard the publics whole Molly may Too is absolutely outrageous. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:03.120 Hero. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.640 I've become very aware of the double standard successful women face. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.560 If I interview a man, he can brag about money, 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.320 take full credit for his success, and talk about his cars. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.920 I've had male guests say what she said and no 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.040 one cared gender issues aside. The standard we hold Molly 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.800 may Too as a twenty two year old who is 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.600 figuring out the world is absolutely outrageous. I do agree 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.720 a lot with what Stephen has said here because I 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.800 do think gender does come into play, and I think 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.720 there is a lot of internalized misogyny in the way 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.360 that we view women earning a lot of money, and 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.120 we sometimes get our back up about it. And I think, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.320 in particular with influencers, I think it's difficult because whilst 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.440 I don't doubt that Molly may has worked incredibly hard 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.640 by her own standard to get where she is, I 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.040 think what constitutes hard work in the life of an 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.160 influencer seems to be very different to outsiders who work 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.280 a nine till five grind, or someone working grueling shift work. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:01.880 We tend to view influencer work as easy and simple 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.560 because there are a lot of benefits and glamorous sides 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.520 to it. Well. I think that's also how they portray 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.560 it on YouTube, because often when I'm watching Molly May's YouTube, 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.600 she has in the past spoken about how she's gone 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.960 to bed really late because she's been watching movies and 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.399 getting taken away and then gotten up really late again 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.040 and not done much. And I think it's sort of also, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.840 as you were saying before, how they portray themselves online 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.879 to remain relatable, because I have watched a lot of 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.040 YouTubers say that they normally film on their days off, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.000 which I think is detrimental to themselves because this is 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.680 what you think everyday life is like for them, when 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.040 it may be not like that at all. They might 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.240 actually be working hard. I also think people lack sympathy 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.240 when someone is being paid incredibly well for their job. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.000 Now there have been reports that Molly May is being 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.320 paid a seven figure sum for her role as creative 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.880 director of Pretty Little Thing, and even in the interview 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.080 when Steven questioned Molly about what her role actually encompassed, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:58.960