1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torber. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: so fetch Thank you, Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Now. 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: We wanted to kick off today's. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Podcast by discussing tear my situations with your parents, because 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: we all consider our mum our best friend. But I 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: feel like there are just some things that you don't 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: discuss with your mum, and there are also some things 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: that you just don't want to know about as well. 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: So I feel like that's even the case with the 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: three of us. 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Like some people might think that we share intimate details 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: with one another, or that we get change in front 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: of one another, but we do have some. 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: You know, guidelines, abound boundary. 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: We'll go to the toilet in front of each other, 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't like have a shower in front of you. 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a bit of a line. 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: But the stupid thing is we probably look exactly the same, Like, 25 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: I just find it quite funny. I don't think it'd 26 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: be as embarrassed about that. I think that was more 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: through puberty that you don't want to be seen, I suppose. 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: I think we're all over that now. 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't even when we were little, discuss 30 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: our periods with each other, Like we all kept it quiet, 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: But now we always discuss it. So maybe it's a 32 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: thing about getting older. I feel like that was only 33 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: as much. I thought that was only when we were twelve. Anyway, 34 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: I think this conversation is getting two TMI well. That 35 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: being said, I also don't think that most people share 36 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: intimate parts about their personal relationships with their mum the 37 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: way that influencer Saffron Barker has. Yeah, so so I 38 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: when I were cacking ourselves this week watching twenty one 39 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: year old YouTuber Saffron Barker and her latest video entitled 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: asking My Mum Questions. 41 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: You're too afraid to ask yours? Now, this isn't a 42 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: new trend. 43 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: There have been other videos released, but I feel like 44 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: this was probably the most honest one of these videos 45 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: I've seen. So some of the questions Saffron asked her 46 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: mum included has she ever heard Saffron having sex in 47 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: her bedroom? Do her mum and dad still have sex? 48 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: And does Saffron's mum go snooping in her room? 49 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: Now her mum? 50 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: Wendy, she was an absolute trooper during this video and she. 51 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: Answered some of the questions. 52 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel like too honestly. Let's have a listen 53 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: to what Wendy said. 54 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: Do you still have sex with dad? 55 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 56 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: God, I didn't want to ask. 57 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: I think I am not hundred Sometimes when I have to, oh, 58 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: are you forty six? Forty six? Forty six? I think 59 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 4: you answer is probably still yes. I think people probably 60 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: have sex a lot longer than that. To be fairly clean, 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: you out thinking about it, out thinking about myself so 62 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 4: at that age, or anything, but to be honest, to 63 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: quench me, I think, abou anyone having sex and I'll 64 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 4: try not to right. 65 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: Probably a good idea. So well, this question is is 66 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: sex still is good after doing it with self? 67 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, because I like to change it up 68 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: a bit. When I can shut up, I think I'm 69 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 4: not asking for I don't want to hear this. From 70 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 4: a point of view is as a person, I feel 71 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 4: like the more you have sex for the same person 72 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: the more we get to know each other, like, so 73 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: I would imagine that that probably is better. There's some 74 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 4: random dude that you just met that like probably just 75 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: wants it all for himself. Oh god, I'm maybe getting 76 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 4: paid for this. I wanted to go to Costo and 77 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: get a coffee and not even getting that. I'll get 78 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: you that thank you think you're glad. You might need 79 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 4: a box there. 80 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: I feel like Wendy should get some of the ad 81 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: revenue off this video because she was absolutely amazing. I 82 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: did love the tension in the car because you could 83 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: tell that this wasn't rehearsed. They actually genuinely felt awkward. 84 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: I feel like it was the same sort of mood 85 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: when there's a sex scene on and you're sitting with 86 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: your parents and everyone's trying to look away at the screen. 87 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I feel like that was the vibe going on in 88 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: that car. 89 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: I feel like it was also a bit contentious because 90 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: Saffron has recently just broken up with her ex boyfriend, 91 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: so I feel like the mum was kind of going 92 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: there with some of the comments about the because she 93 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: also said that she can't stand Saffron's baby voice, that 94 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: she did with him. Yeah, that was one of my 95 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: favorite bits because I remember when they were together there 96 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: was a few potshots made about the baby voice, but. 97 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: You could tell the mum went in hard. Then once 98 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: they've broken up. 99 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: I do love Wendy. She almost reminds me a bit 100 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: of the mum out of mean girls. It's like kind 101 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 2: of the cool mum that's willing to sort of have 102 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: these conversations with her daughter. It's funny because this YouTube 103 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: is all about questions you're too afraid to ask your parents. 104 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: But these are just questions that I would never ever 105 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: ever want to know the answer. 106 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: You can't just be happy with where you are, like, 107 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: there's always more to. 108 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: Be a cheat. 109 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: UK influencer Molly May Haig has been labeled tone deaf 110 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: and privileged after commenting on a podcast that we all 111 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: have the same twenty four hours in the day. The 112 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: backlashes spark discussions about the shifting ways we view work, 113 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: as well as how we respond to successful women. So, Kate, 114 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: can you tell us exactly what happened? 115 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 5: Well? 116 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Molly May has. 117 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: Come under fire for comments she may on popular podcast 118 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: Diary of a CEO and to be totally transparent, we 119 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: did do a segment on Molly May's interview with Stephen 120 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: Bartlett when the episode dropped back on the thirteenth of December. However, 121 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: we did not cover the twenty four hour statement at 122 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: the time, nor did the mainstream media, who instead chose 123 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: to create headlines about Molly having no friends and choosing 124 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: to make money over making time with friends. Now, the 125 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: comment at the time didn't stick out to us because, 126 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: to put it into perspective, the episode in question was 127 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: over an hour and forty two minutes long and it really. 128 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: Did cover a lot. 129 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: So the backlash only just hit over the weekend after 130 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: a condensed version of the clip was shared on Twitter 131 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 2: and TikTok. Now, Sophy, can you tell us more about 132 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: the comment the comments in question that have come under 133 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: fires around privilege and background And before we do get 134 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: into the quotes, I really wanted to provide some context 135 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: that I don't feel was given in the press coverage 136 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: or in the social media clips. 137 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: So going into the. 138 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: Podcast, as the name suggests, Diary of a CEO is 139 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: a podcast which explores the unfiltered journey of some of 140 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: the world's most influential people and experts, and it is 141 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 2: targeted as a motivational podcast that sheds light on people's 142 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: remarkable rises to success and also gives insights into how 143 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: they got there now. 144 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: The host, Stephen. 145 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: Bartlett, is a twenty nine year old British businessman who 146 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: was born in Botswana and moved to the UK at 147 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: the age of two, and he describes himself as a 148 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: university dropout who once stole food from a corner shop 149 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: and forage for loose change to keep his hunger at bay. 150 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: Now Stephen dropped out of UNI and founded two social 151 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: media marketing companies called Social Chain and Media Chain, which 152 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: are now worth over three hundred million pounds, and he 153 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: became a self made millionaire at just twenty three and 154 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: more recently, Stephen has appeared as the youngest investor on 155 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: the BBC show The Dragon's Den Now. When he joined 156 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: the show, he said he hopes young people from less 157 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: privileged backgrounds like his, especially minorities who don't always see 158 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: themselves reflected in certain programs or industries, will. 159 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: Feel enabled now. 160 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: During the interview, Stephen discussed Molly's childhood and the fact 161 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: that she had grown up with police officer parents in 162 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: the small town of hitchin Stephen said, your mom and dad, 163 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: as police officers, live very solid lives and careers. I 164 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: always wonder at a young age how much of it 165 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: is an innate desire to get more and be different 166 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: and not live the standard life, or how much is 167 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: it following the heart and seeing where it goes. Now, 168 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: Molly responded saying she was petrified of living a very 169 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: ordinary life. And this is the first instance. When she 170 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: touched on the twenty four hour comment, this is what 171 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: she said. 172 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: I think for me, watching my parents have a very 173 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: ordinary life, it sort of petrified me at there. It 174 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: was like a bit terrifying, the thought of I don't 175 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: want to grow up in this house and when I'm 176 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: old in my rocking chat, I tell my grandkids, you know, 177 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: like I had this really ordinary life and I had 178 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: an ordinary job, I had an ordinary income like that. 179 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: It petrified me. 180 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: From I think around, I recognized started fitting that way 181 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: from about fifteen. I realized that the world is literally ourystan. 182 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: We can do whatever we want with the twenty four 183 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: hours in the day that we're given. So why had 184 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: am I not going to go out and meet the 185 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: most of them and do crazy things. 186 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Molly then went on to say that as a teenager, 187 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: she was desperate to leave her small town to move 188 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: to Manchester to kick start her influencing career. Now, her 189 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: following had started to gain traction at the time, and 190 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: she had found a management team in Manchester. So at 191 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: the age of eighteen, she dropped the news to her 192 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: parents that she found herself a flat and within a 193 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: week left their home. She said that at the time 194 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: she could barely afford her rent and was making one 195 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month of her influencing jobs, and her 196 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: rent was nine hundred pounds, so she was living paycheck 197 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: to paycheck now. This conversation then led to Stephen comparing 198 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: his experience of growing up in a small town to 199 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: her experience. Stephen said, as you look back at that 200 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: young girl in Hitchin, I'm from a small town myself 201 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: with not a lot of global dreaming going on. What 202 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: have you learned about the nature of confidence and how 203 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: it builds and how capable and powerful your potential really 204 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: is as you've climbed up. Now this is where Molly 205 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: again reference the contentious twenty four hour comment. 206 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: Here's what she said, Beyonce has the same twenty four 207 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: hours in a day that we do. And I just 208 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: think like, it's literally you're given one life and it's 209 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: down to you what you do with it, Like you 210 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: can literally go in any direction. And when I've spoken 211 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: about that before in the past, I have been slammed 212 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: a little bit with people saying, you know, like it's 213 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: easy for you to say that, you know, you've grown 214 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: up and you've not grown up in poverty, You've not 215 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: grown up, you know, with major money struggles. So if 216 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: you to sit there and say that we will have 217 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: the same twenty four hours in a day, it's not correct. 218 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: And I'm like, technically what I'm saying is correct. 219 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: We do. 220 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: So I understand that obviously we will have different backgrounds 221 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: and we're all raise in different ways, and we do 222 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: have different financial situations. But I think if you want 223 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: something enough, you can achieve it, and it just depends 224 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: to what lengths you want to go to get where 225 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: you want to be in the future. And I'll go 226 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: to any lengths, Like I've worked my absolute ass off 227 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: to get where I am now. A lot of people 228 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: don't think that and believe that, but it's true. I've 229 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: worked so so hard. 230 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: So there has been an outpouring of anger over the comments, 231 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 2: with many dubbing Molly May's comments privilege for comparing her 232 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: life to that of people working comparatively more stressful, lower 233 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: paid jobs. One Twitter user road worked her ass off. 234 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: I go to do my twelve hour shift to put 235 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: a roof over mine and my son's head. I should 236 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: have thought of this, but don't think Love Island would 237 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: accept forty eight year old size fourteen single mums. Another 238 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: said she literally just went on a TV dating show 239 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: and got brand deals. I'm not sure she worked her 240 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: ass off. Meanwhile, some fans showed support for the Love 241 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: Island star. Of course this is a stupid comment, but 242 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: I do feel like she's been hung out to dry 243 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: a bit here. The podcast was called The Diary of 244 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: a CEO, where I think she felt the need to 245 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: say inspiring things like follow your dreams and you can 246 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: do anything. It's tone deaf, not malicious. Another person tweeted 247 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: Savo Sullivan wrote a fantastic piece for a refinery about 248 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: this topic, and she pointed out that it's not the 249 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: first time Molly May has been subject to a Twitter uproar, 250 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: but this time it's not about her dog or the 251 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: nature of her giveaway or the fact that people cared 252 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: deeply about when her boyfriend Tommy Fury is going to 253 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: propose instead. It speaks to the fundamental flaws at the 254 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: heart of the influencer economy and the shifting ways is 255 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: we conceive work. What I loved about this article is 256 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: it pointed out that the twenty four hour comment really 257 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: spoke to the girl Boss era of twenty fourteen, and 258 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: that was when our Instagram feeds would be full of 259 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: quotes saying things like you have the same twenty four 260 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: hours as Beyonce and The article also pointed out that 261 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: there is a distinct difference between the quantifiable period of 262 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: time and how you can spend it. So, for example, 263 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: people who can afford to pay for support like childcare, 264 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: cleaners and assistants are paying not only for the support, 265 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: but for the freedom to use their time how they 266 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: say fit. So it's really difficult to compare a regular 267 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: twenty two year old who may be working several jobs 268 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: to cover their rent and is cooking their own food, cleaning, 269 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: maybe socializing. It's very difficult to say that they have 270 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: the same amount of time and free time to invest 271 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: in their future as an influencer who is currently on 272 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: a seven figure contract with a huge Fast Fast. 273 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: Do you know what's crazy? 274 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 5: Though? 275 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 2: When I heard these comments on the podcast, I did 276 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: immediately think that it's strange to me that Molly would 277 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: comment on her twenty four hours because when you watch 278 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: her YouTube, so you get the impression that she actually 279 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: doesn't do that much. So I did wonder if that 280 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: had anything to do with the upbrough people like, are 281 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: you serious. I think it definitely has added to it. 282 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: And I think what's even more awkward is the fact 283 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: that she is the creative director of a fast fashioned 284 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: brand like Pretty Little Thing, who obviously employs workers that 285 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: are living below the poverty line to create their clothes. 286 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: So I think there are a lot of points here 287 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 2: that have angered a lot of people. And as one 288 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: of those Twitter commenters said, it might not have been 289 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: with malice, but it was a very tone deaf thing 290 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: for Molly to say. And I think she's in the 291 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: position where she was elevated onto this podcast where a 292 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: lot of important people go on and talk about their success, 293 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: and I think it's a little bit of tool poppy 294 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: syndrome in the fact that she's in a position to 295 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: drag her down, and she's obviously said something that is 296 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: offensive as well. 297 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: Well. 298 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: I went back and listened to the Pretty Little Thing 299 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: podcast and there was an episode which featured Molly and 300 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: it was crazy because this was probably early last year, 301 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: and she said the same quote about having twenty four 302 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: hours in a day. 303 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: I actually think the fact. 304 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: That someone's picked it up and put it on TikTok 305 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: is the reason that there is so much anger over this, 306 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: because I don't know, it seems like TikTok can expose 307 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: these kind of quotes, but it also doesn't give a 308 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: lot of the context of the interview. I don't think 309 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: there's any denying that the comment was tone deaf. However, 310 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: as you said, Amy, I think it's made to look 311 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: a lot worse when it is cut up without any 312 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: of that context that Molly had made throughout the whole interview. 313 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: And then when you. 314 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: See that isolated, you're like, what the hell, Like this 315 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: is bullshit, And especially on a platform like TikTok where 316 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: a lot of woke people are on a lot of 317 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: young people that are angry about things, and I think 318 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 2: it just snowballs from there. Well, the thing that does 319 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: annoy me a little bit is as Sophy said, this 320 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: podcast is called the Diary of a CEO, and there 321 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: are a lot of other podcasts out there that are 322 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: inspirational business podcasts. And I've listened to Gary V's podcast 323 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: numerous times and he says lots of similar things about 324 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: you know, utilizing your time and you know you can 325 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: do it, and you have the opportunity just like everybody 326 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: else does. The thing is the whole twenty four hours 327 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: in a day common It really drives home the message 328 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: that if we all have the same amount of time 329 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: in the day, the only thing holding us back from 330 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: our goals is not working hard enough, which really perpetuates 331 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: the whole hustle culture philosophy, and it gives the impression 332 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: that the power to change our circumstances is in our 333 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: hands and the only thing stopping us is ourselves, which 334 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: of course isn't true for people who find themselves in 335 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: less fortunate situations. And the philosophy really is, as Refinery said, 336 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: at the heart of influencer culture, and Refinery so cleverly 337 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: pointed out that the performance of working hard is so 338 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: key to an influencer's relatability. So the article said that 339 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: influencers like Molly may try to reinforce the idea that 340 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: the graft is primarily what got them there. Yeah, because 341 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: if luck and advantages were the primary reason and no 342 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: hard work or real work was put in, then it 343 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: would be harder for us to buy into that idea 344 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: that influencers are aspirational and most importantly relatable. I think 345 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: that's so true, And I feel like in that part 346 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: of the interview, Molly had been asked about appearing on 347 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: Love Island and sort of was questioned about what set 348 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: herself apart from the other contestants, and I feel like 349 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: she was really amped up to talk about how hard 350 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: she had worked in comparison to the Love Island contestants 351 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: and how you know they all had had the same 352 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: opportunity as her. The thing is, as you say, Kate, 353 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: she was comparing herself to the other contestants, but not 354 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: looking at the deeper issue of the fact that she 355 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: was very lucky and in a privileged position to find 356 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: herself on the show. Because you look at the people 357 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: who were cast on the show, and you can't say 358 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: that beauty standards don't play a role in who gets selected. 359 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Well, host of the CEO diary. 360 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: Stephen Bartlet took to Twitter to defend Molly may He said, 361 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: the standard the publics whole Molly may Too is absolutely outrageous. 362 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Hero. 363 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: I've become very aware of the double standard successful women face. 364 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: If I interview a man, he can brag about money, 365 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: take full credit for his success, and talk about his cars. 366 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: I've had male guests say what she said and no 367 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: one cared gender issues aside. The standard we hold Molly 368 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: may Too as a twenty two year old who is 369 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: figuring out the world is absolutely outrageous. I do agree 370 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: a lot with what Stephen has said here because I 371 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: do think gender does come into play, and I think 372 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: there is a lot of internalized misogyny in the way 373 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: that we view women earning a lot of money, and 374 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: we sometimes get our back up about it. And I think, 375 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: in particular with influencers, I think it's difficult because whilst 376 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: I don't doubt that Molly may has worked incredibly hard 377 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: by her own standard to get where she is, I 378 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: think what constitutes hard work in the life of an 379 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: influencer seems to be very different to outsiders who work 380 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: a nine till five grind, or someone working grueling shift work. 381 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: We tend to view influencer work as easy and simple 382 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: because there are a lot of benefits and glamorous sides 383 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: to it. Well. I think that's also how they portray 384 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: it on YouTube, because often when I'm watching Molly May's YouTube, 385 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: she has in the past spoken about how she's gone 386 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: to bed really late because she's been watching movies and 387 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: getting taken away and then gotten up really late again 388 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: and not done much. And I think it's sort of also, 389 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: as you were saying before, how they portray themselves online 390 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: to remain relatable, because I have watched a lot of 391 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: YouTubers say that they normally film on their days off, 392 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: which I think is detrimental to themselves because this is 393 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: what you think everyday life is like for them, when 394 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: it may be not like that at all. They might 395 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: actually be working hard. I also think people lack sympathy 396 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: when someone is being paid incredibly well for their job. 397 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: Now there have been reports that Molly May is being 398 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: paid a seven figure sum for her role as creative 399 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: director of Pretty Little Thing, and even in the interview 400 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: when Steven questioned Molly about what her role actually encompassed, 401 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: there was a bit of a question, even in my 402 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 2: mind going on of war, what she actually does in 403 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: that role. I mean, let's just be honest. The comment 404 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: that she made was incredibly careless. I do wonder how 405 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: much weight all of the media coverage surrounding el Darby's 406 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: racist comments had because I noticed that a lot of 407 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: articles about Molly May then linked back to the el 408 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: Derby controversy. And I feel like at the moment, with 409 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: it being the start of the year, it's like people 410 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: are on holidays and they're kind of looking to be 411 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: outraged by something. So well, I feel like media organizations 412 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: also know there's currency in covering these backlashes and influencer 413 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: apologies because even one of the articles I read in 414 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 2: the Sun they said the groveling apology from Molly May, 415 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: and I noticed that that was the exact way they 416 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: led about l Darby's apology. Well, talking about that apology, 417 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: shall we get into Molly's because she said I wanted 418 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: to come back online today as normal, but I feel 419 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: like before I do, I just wanted to say this. 420 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: When I say or post anything online, it is never 421 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: with malice or ill intent. I completely appreciate that things 422 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 2: can affect different people in different ways. However, I just 423 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: want to stress that I would never intend to hurt 424 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: or upset anyone by anything I say or do. I 425 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: apologize to the people that have been affected negatively or 426 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: misunderstood the meaning of what I said in the podcast. 427 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: The intention of the podcast will only ever to tell 428 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: my story and inspire from my experience. Loved You will 429 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: always I really feel like it's a. 430 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: Bit of a nothing apology. Yeah, I tend to agree. 431 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: I think it had a bit of a tone of 432 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you misunderstood and took what I said 433 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: in the wrong way. And even if that's how she feels, 434 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: and I mean, we've just been discussing that, we do 435 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: think there are elements where people have blown this tone 436 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: deaf comment out of proportion. I do think when you 437 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: are making an apology on. 438 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: Such a big stage. 439 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: Like she is, that she did need to hold up 440 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: her hands and say my comment was tone death, I'm 441 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: going to learn from it, this is how I'm going 442 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: to move forward. Like it didn't really hit all the 443 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: right notes for me that an influence apology should. Then again, 444 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: I think maybe she wasn't sorry because she was probably 445 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: copying so much vile hate from people online. Even Bartlett 446 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: said in his Twitter post that you know, we must 447 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: remember to be kind and reference Caroline Flax. So I 448 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: can only imagine the comments that Molly may must have 449 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: been receiving, and the fact that so many men on 450 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: this Diary of a CEO podcast said the exact same 451 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: thing and received no backlash. Maybe she didn't really feel 452 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: like apologizing. Yeah, but that's the thing I mean, I'm 453 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: saying that I totally think her comment was tone deaf, 454 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: but I don't think the reaction has matched what she 455 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: actually said. 456 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 6: So we have come to Victoria Park and we've just 457 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 6: on a little lap around the park and I actually 458 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 6: am feeling really good. It actually gave me a bit 459 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 6: of momentum. 460 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: So Princess. 461 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 6: Okay, Princess Victoria Park, Well, I can tell people exactly 462 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 6: where I was. I thought that would be dumb. They'll 463 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 6: come at you for that, but like I just didn't 464 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 6: who gives the exact location of where they. 465 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 5: Are we're sitting Anyways, I was. 466 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 6: About to say something important. 467 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: Bella Valares has denied accidentally uploading a screenshot of her 468 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: bank account to her instant story. The former A Bachelorette 469 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: contestant claims her Instagram was hacked and the account details 470 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: are not hers. Kate, can you tell us what happened? Well, 471 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: just a quick recap. On Monday show, we discussed how 472 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: a screenshot had briefly appeared on Bella's insta story showing 473 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: a bank account with more than ninety eight thousand dollars 474 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: in savings Now. The screenshot was swiftly deleted, which led 475 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: many people to believe she had accidentally uploaded the details. However, 476 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: since our episode went live on Monday, we received a 477 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: message from Bella saying the following. She wrote, Hi, guys, 478 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: I've just got sent a blurb from a podcast you 479 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: put out about me and my savings account. My Instagram 480 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: was hacked and that wasn't a screenshot of my bank account. 481 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: This is why I got taken down as soon as 482 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: I regained access to my account. Your podcast has made 483 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: it out like it's something I did on purpose, and 484 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: you seem like genuinely nice people, so I'm not sure 485 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: why you would go out of your way to fabricate 486 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 2: a whole scenario without first checking with the person. 487 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: There has now been. 488 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: Articles made, and it's immensely distressing that they are making 489 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: it out like this is something I have done on purpose. 490 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: Who in their right mind would share a photo of 491 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: their savings. I'd appreciate if you rectified the situation now. 492 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: We responded straight. 493 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: Away, saying we were unaware her account had been hacked 494 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: and we were sorry if we had contributed to any 495 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: distress that she was experiencing. We also went on to 496 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: explain that we used the story as a hook to 497 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: discuss the hot topic of influencers pay, and that we 498 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 2: were happy to update our listeners on Friday with the 499 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: details she provided. However, Bella viewed our reply and is 500 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: yet to respond. She did, however, do an interview with Pedestrian, 501 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: where she again reiterated her Instagram was hacked and it 502 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: wasn't a screenshot of her bank account. She said, that 503 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: is why it got taken down as soon as I 504 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: regained access to my account. She went on to say 505 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: that the incident had been immensely distressing again for her, 506 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: and she's been receiving hate messages on Instagram. Bella said, 507 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: I had no control of the situation, and it's been 508 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: made out like it was done on purpose. It's just 509 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: unfortunate that people jump to conclusions and judge when they 510 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: see a media article, they don't think to take into 511 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: consideration that its third degree information that's being used, along 512 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: with biased opinions from the people talking about it or 513 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: writing about it. I understand it comes with the territory, 514 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 2: but the hate messages shouldn't be. Didn't anyone think to themselves, 515 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: she's obviously been hacked. Who would actually willingly share their 516 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: bank details? And what kind of people would then share 517 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: that to a Facebook page without knowing the full story. 518 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous and pathetic. Now what did you guys make 519 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: of all of this? I do feel for Bella, because 520 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: no one should ever be copying hate messages. However, I'm 521 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: surprised by her thought process because to me, it isn't 522 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: my first thought, Oh, this person must have been hacked. 523 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: My first thought is wow, this person must have accidentally 524 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: uploaded their private details, especially because she didn't then write 525 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: a message saying hey guys, I've been hacked. And also, 526 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: how does she gain access to her account so quickly 527 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: to remove the side instantly? Yeah, well, that's what I 528 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: want to know, because I feel like there's different levels 529 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: of hacking, and she has been pretty vague with the 530 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: details about this hacking. So, for example, I think a 531 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: lot of people have experienced being hacked by their sibling 532 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: or their friend when someone steals their phone and posts 533 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: something as a joke, which I think that this could 534 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: fall into this category. But then I feel like she's 535 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: referencing that she was hacked by a third party. But 536 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: I feel like it doesn't really match up to the 537 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: story because it would take a long time, you would 538 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: think to regain access to your account. I mean, Sophie, 539 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: you took about a week to get back into your 540 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: Facebook account and that wasn't even hacked. That was just 541 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: because you forgot your password. But why would you hack 542 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: some Why would you hack someone's Instagram to put up 543 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: a screenshot of a bank account? Like, is she claiming 544 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: that it's not her bank account and she claiming that 545 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: it is and someone else put it up there. No, 546 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: she's saying that this isn't her bank account. The thing 547 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: that also blows my mind is she's acting like she 548 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: doesn't have any right of reply. But if she was hacked, 549 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: why didn't she go on and address it straight away 550 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: and say sorry, guys, my Instagram got hacked. Why does 551 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: she then have to give out interviews to pedestrian, and 552 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: you know, to clear up the story, just jump on 553 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: your story and say what happened? Yeah, but why would 554 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: anyone hack someone's account? 555 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: Upload? 556 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: Is it meant to be embarrassing that she's only got 557 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: like ninety eight K and savings? I don't understand it 558 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: all doesn't make it seem the funny thing is it 559 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: seems like she is embarrassed, like, no, that's not my account. 560 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: I've got way more money. 561 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 5: Entire Channel four news team, I'm Veronica Corningstone. 562 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 4: And I'm Ron Burgundy. 563 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 6: Go fuck yourself, san Diego. 564 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: Leaked vision of seven News readers Rebecca Madden and Mike 565 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: Aymore calling tennis player Novak Djokovic and asshole has gone viral. 566 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: The incident has sparked an investigation by the Seven network 567 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: to find the culprit responsible for the leak, while many 568 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: are now speculating the whole debarcle could have been an 569 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: elaborate publicity stunt amy, can you tell us more well? 570 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: The leaked vision shows Rebecca Madden and Mike Amore sitting 571 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: at the news desk getting ready to present the nightly 572 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: news bulletin. And having worked in TV news, it's very 573 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: common for newsreaders to discuss the headlines before the news 574 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: actually begins. So on Wednesday morning, the vision surfaced online 575 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: and quickly made headlines around the country. I think we 576 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: should have a list into what was said. 577 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: That talk of each is a lying, sneaky asshole, Like 578 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 5: whatever way you look at it, it's unfortunate that everybody 579 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 5: else stuffed up around. That's it like to go out 580 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 5: when you know you COVID positive. Well I don't think 581 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 5: he wasn't even COVID positive. 582 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 6: That bullshit. 583 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: Fell over his lies, which is what happens, right, Yeah, 584 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: that's what's happening. 585 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 5: And then him now then ticking he didn't go to Spain. 586 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 4: It's just like, but I think I think he's going 587 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: to get away with it. 588 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 5: He is going to get away with it. 589 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: I think most fairminded people would say, look, Blakes an asshole. 590 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 6: Did we did they do the right thing by him? 591 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: I don't know, don't. 592 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: That So first it was everyone's reaction to the comments. 593 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised because, as you said, Amy, we've all 594 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: worked newsrooms before, and it's pretty common, as you said, 595 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: for the newsreaders to have a pretty open chat. I 596 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 2: mean I was sometimes surprised how open some of them 597 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: would be when they were miked up, particularly because vision like. 598 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: This can leak. But I wasn't surprised to. 599 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: All, and I really agreed with their commentary. To be honest, 600 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: I kind of liked seeing the real and raw side 601 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: to them. 602 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: It made me like them. 603 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: I think they just said what a lot of Australians 604 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: were thinking. And it was quite funny because a lot 605 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: of people seemed outraged by the swearing. But as someone 606 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: who has worked in a newsroom that's pretty regular, that's 607 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: where normal. Yeah, that's where I picked up a lot 608 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: of my bad swearing from. 609 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: I do think a lot. 610 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: Of people were surprised how off the cuff the comments were, because, 611 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: as we said, the general public aren't used to seeing 612 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: new newsreaders in that light because they're normally so prim 613 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 2: and proper on air. However, I feel like when these 614 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: reports first came out, I initially thought, oh gosh, this 615 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: is going to really damage Rebecca and Mike's image, but 616 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: it really seems to have done the opposite if you 617 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: look online. So Twitter was ablaze with praise for the pair. 618 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: So author and broadcaster Justin Smith wrote yesterday, I thought 619 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: Mike Amore and Rebecca Madden were professionals with integrity. Today, 620 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 2: I feel exactly the same, except I like them just 621 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: that little bit more. Writer Jess Maguire tweeted that seven 622 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: News footage where the host called Novak Djokovic a lying, 623 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: sneaking asshole is a delight and honestly, I'd love nightly 624 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: news shows where hosts spoke so frankly, so Amy, What 625 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 2: did you make of the initial reporting of the leaked division? Well, 626 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: to be honest, I was a little bit annoyed by 627 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: the initial coverage because a lot of the headlines only 628 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: named Rebecca Madden, and they were headlines like Rebecca and 629 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: Madden calls Novak Djokovic a sneaky little asshole, and I thought, 630 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, she's gonna get absolutely crucified at work 631 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: and also by. 632 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: The general public. 633 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: And it did really annoy me that it seemed to be, again, 634 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: the media, we're picking on the woman in this instance, 635 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: just playing devil's advocate. Do you think that that's because 636 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: she does have a higher profile nationally than Mike Amoor. 637 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Because she was on the footy show. I don't think so. 638 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: I think Mike Aimore is a very well respected journalist 639 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: as well, and I think it would have been just 640 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: as shocking for them to include him in the headline. 641 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 5: Now. 642 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: According to media reports, Seven are furious about this league 643 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: and have said that the vision was illegally obtained. Amy, 644 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: what are they putting that down to Well. Seven's director 645 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: of News and Public Affairs, Craig McPherson described the league 646 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: as cowardly and said it was in breach of the 647 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: Victorian listening devices legislation. He also said the perpetrator would 648 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: be accordingly dealt with when found. I find this all 649 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: very interesting because it seems to be a complete backflip 650 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 2: to the way Seven handled the issue with their reporter 651 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: Georgia love So, the former bachelorette was embroiled in a 652 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: racist Instagram story scandal and at the time there were 653 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: emails leaked between her and her co worker Nathan Templeton. 654 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: And it's not like Seven came out and said that 655 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: this is disgusting or anything. They stayed quiet on the matter. 656 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: So I wonder what the change of heart is all about. Okay, 657 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, it's not the first leak at the 658 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: seven Melbourne newsroom. It seems to be happening to Seven 659 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: Melbourne time and time again, because in February twenty nineteen, 660 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: there were several emails from the newsroom that were leaked, 661 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: which many media networks said revealed that the seven News 662 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: office had a mean girl's culture. So I don't know 663 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: if you guys remember this, but one of the emails 664 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: in question was from executive news producer Lynn Scrivens, and 665 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: it said twenty eighteen was, without doubt. 666 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: Been the year of the women. 667 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: Around the world, women are standing up for themselves, being 668 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: taken seriously, getting more opportunities. Yet here in the seven 669 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: newsroom it seems we are still a bit behind the times. 670 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: The bitching and backstabbing. I'm so done with it, all 671 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: of us. I'm sure have been guilty of having a 672 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: bitch about a colleague. Enough already, Let's start supporting each 673 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: other as women in an industry dominated by men. People 674 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: who spend spare time at work looking for stories, not 675 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: gossiping or online shopping will do well in twenty nineteen. 676 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: And what I find interesting. 677 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: Is it is clear that these email leaks came from 678 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: somebody within the Seven network where it's come out now, 679 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: the leak of this vision actually came from an outsider, 680 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: So maybe that's why Seven are now pushing to expose 681 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: who did it, so it takes the heat off the network. 682 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: So it seems like. 683 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: They're internally dealing with the other email leagues, but as 684 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: you said, this is a third party, so they're putting 685 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: them out to dry basically, well, I think they want 686 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: to make it clear that it wasn't somebody at the 687 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: seven network who actually leaked it. So initially there were 688 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: multiple reports saying that this must have been a disgruntled 689 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: seven employee. However, it's come out now that the blame 690 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: has been put on a captioning service which is believed 691 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: to be responsible for the leak. So the company has 692 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: access to the nightly news feed and then they add 693 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: the captions for people to read. So The Australian has 694 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: reported that the captioning company is AI Media, who have 695 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: launched their own investigation into the leak, and it's understood 696 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: they're currently interviewing staff and conducting extensive IT networking traces 697 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 2: and it's thought that once the cultport has identified, the 698 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: incident will then be reported to police. 699 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: So what's really fascinating is it was actually the. 700 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: Time stamp in the right hand corner which cleared seven staff. 701 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: So this time stamp doesn't appear on internal seven video outputs. 702 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: So that's why I'm assuming Seven have come out in 703 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: such a strong way to say, you know, we're gonna 704 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: find this person because it was clear it's not a 705 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: seven staffer. Well, the controversy actually ended up being a 706 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: ratings win for Seven on Wednesday night, forty thousand extra viewers. 707 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: Then the previous night tuned in to watch the bulletin 708 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: affronted by Rebecca and Mike, and this has led many 709 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: to speculate whether the leak was actually a publicity stunt. 710 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: What do you guys think? I don't think there's any 711 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 2: way that Seven would actually allow this to be put out. 712 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: I think they've been involved in so many scandals recently 713 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: that it's just not a good look for the network. 714 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: I think it's ended out being a good move personally 715 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: for the reporters. However, it doesn't reflect well on the 716 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: network as a whole. Well, the thing is, I think 717 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: the reason why so many people think that it could 718 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: be a publicity stunt is the fact that Rebecca Madden 719 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: has only just returned to the seven network from nine, 720 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: so she was at nine for five and a half years, 721 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: and she only returned in early January, so now everybody 722 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: knows she's back at seven after this vision is leaked, 723 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: and because the reception from the public has been so positive, 724 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: that's obviously led people to speculating. But I agree with you, Kay, 725 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: I think there is no way the seven network would 726 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: air something like this because they could never have predicted 727 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: that the public response would be this way. Well, that 728 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: being said, I don't think that would have been so 729 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: difficult to predict. 730 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: At the moment. 731 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: Online there's been so much backlash towards Novak Djokovic, and 732 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: the general consensus is that he is a complete asshole. 733 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: So I feel like putting out that sort of content 734 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: where the anchors are speaking the way that we all speak, 735 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: They're having a great chat, they're sounding like everyday people 736 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: you can get along with. I can see why people 737 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: would think this is leak. 738 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: I can see it. 739 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: But the whole thing with news is that journalists are 740 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: meant to be unbiased and they're not meant to push 741 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: their own opinion in the story. And I think a 742 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: lot of people were like, oh, well, why would I 743 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: listen to you because you're obviously coming from your own agenda, 744 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: and I don't think that's good from a. 745 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: News perspective at all. 746 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think that's all we've got time 747 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: for today. 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