1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily This is the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 3: the seventeenth of December. I'm Emma Gillespie, I'm Lucy Tassel. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: State and territory leaders have agreed to strengthen gun laws 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: in the wake of Sunday's Bondai terror incident, which saw 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: fifteen innocent people killed during a targeted anti Semitic attack. 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 4: If you're not a farmer, if you're not involved in 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: agriculture wide, you need these massive weapons that put the 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 4: public in danger and make life dangerous and difficult for 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 4: New South Wales police. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 3: Now, according to police, a fifty year old gunman who 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: died at the scene was the licensed owner of multiple firearms. 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: Those guns, weapons he owned lawfully, were used in Sunday's 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 3: deadly attack. Now Minister and New South Wales Premier are 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: pledging to reform gun laws to better protect Australians against extremism. 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: Today we'll explain current gun laws and what leaders are 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: calling for in response to Sunday's attack. 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Emma, before we get into the current debate, I think 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: we need to situate the listener in how Australia actually 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: came to have some of the world's toughest gun laws 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: and to have this reputation for having these really tough 24 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: gun laws. 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this all started in nineteen ninety six. This 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: story really begins in Port Arthur, Tasmania, where on the 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: twenty eighth of April nineteen ninety six, thirty five people 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: were killed twenty three others were wounded by a single gunman. 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: It was Australia's deadliest mass shooting, remains Australia's deadliest mass shooting. 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: And the gunmen of. 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: The Port Arthur massacre used two semi automatic rifles that 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: he had purchased legally. And within weeks of the massacre, 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: then Prime Minister John Howard announced a sweeping overhaul of 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: Australia's gun laws that, as you mentioned, Lucy, put. 35 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: Australia on the world stage. 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: We have become known as a country with some of 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: the toughest gun laws in the world. 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: What did those changes look like that Howard implemented. 39 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: So he brought all state and territory leaders together to 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: agree on what is called the National Firearms Agreement. Now, 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: this was considered groundbreaking at the time because it created 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: consistency across the country that hadn't been there before. The 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: key changes included banning certain types of firearms and introducing 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: a gun buyback scheme now that saw the government purchase 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: and destroy over six hundred and fifty thousand firearms, and 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: a national gun registry was also established. The reforms introduced 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: much stricter licensing requirements, so it became a lot harder 48 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: to own a gun, and as a result of those reforms, 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: it means that you need to provide a genuine reason 50 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: for owning a firearm. Personal protection is not considered a 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: valid reason, and you also need to complete safety training 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: and pass background checks. Again, all of that framework was 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: as a result of those sweeping reforms in nineteen ninety six. 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: So what does that mean for Australia's gun landscape today? 55 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: What does that look like? 56 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: Not a lot has changed since those reforms were introduced 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: nearly thirty years ago, and it's estimated today that Australia 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: has around four million registered firearms. Now that may sound 59 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: like a lot, but comparatively to the rest of the world, 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: it's quite low. Against our population, we have about one 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: gun for every seven people, whereas the United States has 62 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: more guns than people in terms of licenses. There are 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: roughly nine hundred thousand licensed gun owners in Australia and 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: the majority of these are license holders for recreational shooting 65 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: or farming purposes. Australia's gun laws are widely considered a success, 66 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: but they're have been recent warnings about a decrease in 67 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: the number of people who hold a gun license but 68 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: an increase in the overall amount of licensed firearms in Australia. 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so almost like a concentration. So there's not as 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: many people own a gun, but the people that do 71 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: are likely to have more than one. 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Right exactly. 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: And earlier this year the Australia Institute actually released a 74 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: report on this very issue that found there's been a 75 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: twenty five percent increase in the number of guns in 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 3: Australia since nineteen ninety six, so less people owning more guns. 77 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: The report found that on average, a firearms license holder 78 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: owns more than four guns, and two individuals in suburban 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: Sydney each own over three hundred firearms. Now, according to 80 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: that Australia Institute report, regulation across states and territories has 81 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: failed to keep pace with community expectation, with seventy five 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: percent of US supporting gun ownership limits. 83 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: And now, of course Sunday terrorist attack has reignited conversation 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: about whether those current laws, those current regulations are actually 85 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: strong enough. What changes are being proposed to be made 86 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: right now? 87 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: So Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has flagged several key reforms. First, 88 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 3: there is a push to limit the number of guns 89 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: that any one person can own. We know that the 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: public wants something like that to happen. In Sunday's attack, 91 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: one of those gunmen legally owned six firearms, and Home 92 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: Affairs Minister Tony Burke has pointed out that quote the 93 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: concept of someone living in the suburbs of Sydney could 94 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: have any valid reason to have that number of firearms just. 95 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: Beggars belief, to use his words. 96 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: Second, the government wants to introduce periodic license reviews. So 97 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: right now, if you obtain a gun license, there's no 98 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: automatic expiration date on that. But the Prime Minister said 99 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: that that needs to change. People's circumstances can change, people 100 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: can become radicalized over time, and therefore licenses should not 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: be permanent. Thirdly, with the changes that are being proposed, 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: the government wants to look at banning non citizens from 103 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: holding gun licenses. So the Prime Minister said that this 104 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: seems like a sensible change to him. He's calling for 105 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: state and territory leaders to support that measure. And there's 106 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: also discussion lucy about tightening regulations around three D printed 107 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 3: weapons and using criminal intelligence, not just criminal records to 108 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: assess whether someone should hold a license. So this speaks 109 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: to some concern around whether or not those laws from 110 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six have kept pace with the modern threats 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: that we are now facing in twenty twenty five. 112 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: What's the difference between criminal intelligence and criminal records? 113 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: So a criminal record only shows if someone has been 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: convicted of a crime, So if you have a criminal record, 115 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: you cannot obtain a gun license, okay. Criminal intelligence, however, 116 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: is a much broader concept, So this would include information 117 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: that police might have about someone's association, their behavior, or 118 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: potential threats, even if they haven't been charged with anything. 119 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that a person might not have engaged 120 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: in questionable or suspicious behaviors that police have been surveying 121 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: or concerned about in the past. The idea is that 122 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: basically waiting for someone to commit a crime before taking 123 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: away their gun license might be too late. That's thinking 124 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: behind this reform. So if intelligence agencies have concerns about 125 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: radicalization or concerning behavior, that could be grounds to refuse 126 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: or revoke an existing license. 127 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Okay, what has. 128 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Been the response, like kind of across the political spectrum 129 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: to these proposed reforms. 130 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: There has actually been quite a bit of bipartisan agreement 131 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: that something needs to change, though the details vary, but 132 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: I think historically in Australia we have seen a relative 133 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: sense of bipartisanship with gun reform. The Greens firstly are 134 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: welcoming conversations around stricter gun laws. Senator Larissa Waters, she 135 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: is the leader of the Greens, said that her party 136 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: will work with the government to pass reforms and described 137 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: this as a moment beyond politics. Waters said, quote, this 138 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: is not America and we must work both to eradicate 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: antisemitism and racism and to reduce unnecessary guns in our community. 140 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: Opposition leader Susan leees the coalition will also consider the 141 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: reforms and take what she called a sensible, proportionate approach 142 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: and examination of everything on the table, but she did 143 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: acknowledge that these kind of reforms can take a really 144 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: long time and instead she's calling for or as well 145 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: is calling for more immediate action on tackling anti Semitism 146 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: following a report and recommendations from the Special Envoy for Antisemitism, 147 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: Jillian Siegel. 148 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Now Lucy. 149 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: We did also hear from former Coalition Prime Minister John 150 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: Howard just yesterday. He is of course credited as the 151 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: architect of our world leading gun reforms following Port Arthur, 152 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: and he did criticize the Albaneze government for what he 153 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: called in action to address antisemitism here in Australia, but 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: he said he hopes that this is a wake up 155 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: call and in terms of gun reform, here's a bit 156 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: of what he said. 157 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 5: It is true that there are too many guns in 158 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 5: our community. They have been there, always will be because 159 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 5: people ignore laws and it's the potency of the weapon 160 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 5: that is so drastically changed after forward after I respect 161 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 5: the role of the states, and I think both the 162 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 5: premier of Newsail World and the opposition leader in New 163 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 5: Zail World are taking the issues seriously, and I hope 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 5: and trust all other state premiers is doing the same thing. 165 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: Now we haven't just heard from federal politicians. We've also 166 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: heard from New South Wales Premier Chris Mins. Obviously this 167 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: is happening in his jurisdiction. What do we think will 168 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: happen at the state level. 169 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: Well, Mins has said he wants to recall New South 170 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: Wales parliament. Of course, parliamentarians around the country are now 171 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 3: on a break for the rest of the year in 172 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: terms of there are no more parliamentary sittings, so he 173 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 3: would have to recall parliament to introduce he's describing as 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 3: the toughest gun legislation in the country. So the New 175 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: Southwest Premier specifically wants to also look at using criminal 176 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: intelligence as a reason to restrict license access, which is 177 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: similar to what Albanese's calling for. 178 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: Mins wants a review. 179 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: Of age limits and to restrict access to particular kinds 180 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: of guns and as well limit the quantity of guns 181 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: people can own. 182 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: This also, i think is an important question to ask, 183 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: because we've now heard from the federal government and from 184 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: the local state government. Who actually has the power to 185 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: implement gun reforms in this country. 186 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: It's a bit complicated because it's actually both the federal 187 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: government and the states, so bit tricky, but technically gun 188 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: legislation and firearms licensing is the responsibility of each state 189 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: and territory, but the federal government does play a really 190 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: important coordinating role. So ok after Port Arthur, for example, 191 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: the National Firearms Agreement created this framework that all states 192 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: and territories agreed to follow, so that ensures consistency across 193 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: the country. So when we're talking about national gun law reforms, 194 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: what's really happening is the Prime Minister Anthony Albanzi is 195 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: bringing together state and territory leaders through the National Cabinet 196 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: to agree on changes. But ultimately each state and territory 197 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: will need to pass their own legislation to implement those reforms. 198 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so the federal government can't just pass the law 199 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: that applies everywhere. 200 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: In essence, anything is possible, but that is not historically 201 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: how we have tackled gun reform and gun legislation in 202 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: Australia's history. The federal government can regulate certain things like 203 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: gun imports as well through custom laws, so they could 204 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: restrict what guns and how many are coming into the country. 205 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: But the day to day regulation of who can. 206 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Own guns under what conditions, licensing restrictions, that's up to 207 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: states and territories, and that's why you will have seen 208 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: over recent days, Anthony Albanesi talking about national reforms, MINS 209 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: talking about New South Wales specific legislation. But really this 210 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: is about all of those leaders working together and in parallel. 211 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So then what happens next? You said MINS is 212 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: going to recall parliament or he's talking about it. What's 213 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: a timeline expected for these changes? 214 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: Things are moving quite quickly, but I guess we have 215 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: to accept that we're coming towards the end of the 216 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: year and there's only so much that will be possible 217 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: within the next couple of weeks. Anthony Albanezi has been 218 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: in regular contact with his state and territory counterparts. They 219 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 3: met for National Cabinet on Monday and will continue to 220 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: meet over the course of the coming days. All state 221 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: and territory leaders have agreed to pursue urgent reforms. We 222 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: are waiting to see what Chris Mins will do in 223 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: New South Wales next, and then I think we can 224 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: expect some other states to kind of follow suit. The 225 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: specific proposals will still need to be drafted into laws, 226 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: passed through parliaments, you know, all of those processes that, 227 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: given there is such broad political support, so much public 228 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: concern following Sunday's devastating attack. 229 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: The government or governments at all. 230 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: Levels really have made it clear that this is a 231 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: priority and we could see changes within the next few 232 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: weeks and months. 233 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Thanks so much for explaining that today, Emma. 234 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, and thank you for listening to 235 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: The Daily Oas. We'll be back this afternoon with your 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: evening headlines. Until then, take care of yourself. My name 237 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkotin 238 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that this 239 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl people 240 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island 241 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: and nations. We pay our respects to the first peoples 242 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: of these countries, both past and present.