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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio as she does most Monday mornings.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Lea Finocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, morning Katie, and tell your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio now. I do

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Speaker 1: want to just start off this morning. Last week there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of discussion about the Rainbow flags and

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Speaker 1: the Torres Strait Island of flags being removed from the

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Speaker 1: Royal Darwin and Palmerston Hospital foyers where they've been up

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Speaker 1: alongside the Australian, NTE and Aboriginal flags. Opinions very much

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Speaker 1: divided on this issue, some of well some listeners staunchly

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Speaker 1: wanting the flags up, others saying we cannot have flags

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Speaker 1: for every group. Chief Minister, why were the flags removed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? My understanding is it breached the protocol for government buildings.

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Speaker 2: And I think what's really important in this whole debate

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Speaker 2: is just to be respectful number one, but number two,

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Speaker 2: there is no more unifying flag than the Northern Territory flag.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we have a lot of groups across

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Speaker 2: the territory. We have large, wonderful multicultural communities and so

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Speaker 2: it's very very important that we remember that at our

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Speaker 2: core we are all Territorian and I think that's what's

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Speaker 2: you know, what the focus of that policy is about.

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Speaker 3: So what exactly is the protocol.

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Speaker 1: It's the Australian flag, the Northern Territory flag and the

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Speaker 1: Indigenous flag.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's I believe that's the case, and you

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Speaker 2: see that often in the territory, you know, certainly when

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Speaker 2: we're doing press conferences and all those things. Those are

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Speaker 2: the three flags that we have. There's also that larger

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Speaker 2: debate raging nationally about as part of the federal election

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Speaker 2: about Peter Dutton saying he'd only have the Australian flag.

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Speaker 2: So it's one of those topics. It captures people's attention.

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Speaker 2: But I have to stress we are all Territorians. We're

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Speaker 2: all united under the territory flag and it's something we

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Speaker 2: should be really proud of.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the discussion that then the

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Speaker 1: AMA and the Australian Salaried Medical Officers Association have you know,

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Speaker 1: they've come forward and really called for them to be

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Speaker 1: reinstated because they want people from the lgbt QIA plus

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Speaker 1: community to feel safe and welcomed when they enter those

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Speaker 1: health facilities. I mean, what do you say to anybody

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Speaker 1: is maybe feeling like they're not because those flags have

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Speaker 1: been removed.

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Speaker 2: People are safe. All people are safe. These are around

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Speaker 2: territory taxpayer funded health systems. You know, this is about

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Speaker 2: everyone being included, and so we can't have a flag

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Speaker 2: for every person in every group and every multicultural community

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Speaker 2: and every sporting club and whatever it might be. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm saying unifying under the territory flag is

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Speaker 2: really really important and it's not to the exclusion of

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Speaker 2: anyone else. Actually, it's to the inclusion of all.

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Speaker 3: So you stand by this decision absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the right decision and the right move

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think it's sensible.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, well, a staffer from the Labor or Position Leader's office,

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Speaker 1: Selena Rubo, has reportedly been banned from entering Parliament House

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Speaker 1: for a week after being captured on CCTV entering a

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Speaker 1: then exiting onto the fifth floor where the well your

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Speaker 1: men's toilets, where they'd plastered a poster of the nt

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Speaker 1: to Health Minister Steve Edgington superimposed over a rainbow on

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Speaker 1: the men's toilet wall. What's your understanding of this situation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard about it, Katie, and it's obviously really

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Speaker 2: pathetic poor behavior. I think the Speaker has taken strong

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Speaker 2: what an offensive waste of time.

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Speaker 3: How did they apologize to a Minister Orgington?

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Speaker 2: Not that I know, I don't believe they do.

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Speaker 3: You think they should?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, It's it's just a disgusting misuse of you know,

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Speaker 2: It's just shenanigans that we don't need to see. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess some people listening might sort of

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Speaker 2: Well you can't essentially graffiti Parliament House. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: All right. I want to talk about some really serious

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Speaker 1: issues impacting Territorians. Last week, you and I discussed the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, what's the plan when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: Yet we've got to about fifty three percent of all

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Speaker 2: And so over Christmas, the Attorney General she made sure

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Speaker 3: Make sure in permanently those new.

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Speaker 2: Judges they're acting judges. I'm not sure if the exact

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Speaker 2: But more needs to be done, so the Attorney General

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Speaker 2: is working on that. We've also we're really trying to

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Speaker 2: push hard to increase the audio visual opportunities for court

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Speaker 2: work and working out how we can have less prisoner

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Speaker 2: just so people understand, if you're in remand at Palmerston Watchhouse,

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Speaker 2: for example, it would be a police paddy wagon or

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot of time out of what

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Speaker 2: could be you know, catching bad guys, and that's what

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Speaker 2: catching bad guys. So you know, we're trying to really

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Speaker 2: build some efficiency in the system, but it's so broken, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We're working on it, but it's absolutely imperfect.

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Speaker 1: So are there sort of other options here? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is there more that could be done? Could the hours

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Speaker 1: Are we looking at a potential remand center?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So a remand center isn't part of our corrections

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Speaker 2: just not part of our emergency response right now. We

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Speaker 2: identified a women's prison as being a much better way

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Speaker 2: all the other movements. Of course, ninety six more beds

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Speaker 2: should come online this week in Alice Springs. We had

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Speaker 2: Of course, then we need more correction stuff, so we've

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Speaker 2: They'll march out in April, which will be very helpful

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Speaker 2: for corrections. We've got three squads of police in the

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Speaker 2: lot or march out mid March, so it's all on track.

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Speaker 2: Of course. We like the community and your listeners wanted

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Speaker 2: all this yesterday, but you know, at the August election

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Speaker 2: first time in a long time, we're moving forward and

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Speaker 2: we've just got to get all of the systems moving

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Like, I know the Remand center is not part of

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Speaker 1: the plan, but do you reckon? Because even talking to

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Speaker 1: the Corrections Commissioner, he was saying that the needs and

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Speaker 1: are quite different to those that are in there permanently.

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Speaker 1: So would it potentially make things a bit smoother, maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit easier even in terms of the transportation

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Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, if there was a Romand

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Speaker 1: on remand, Like that's the reality.

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Speaker 2: That is true. We do have too many on remand,

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Speaker 2: and that's why the Attorney General is working to clear

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Speaker 2: that backyard because it's ridiculous. How can you have more

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Speaker 2: a joke, right, It's insane. So let's just like park

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Speaker 2: that we recognize that we're working on that. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right, So when you're on remand, you also can't

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Speaker 2: for it. I'm not denying that because of course, once

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Speaker 2: corrective work. It's called corrections to correct behavior. We want

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Speaker 2: the programs, behavior change, education, all of those things, whereas

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Speaker 2: we're exploring now because if we can deliver programs in remand,

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Speaker 1: And Chief Minister, what of the arguments that you know,

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Speaker 1: Duran Young from the Labour Party was on the week

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Speaker 1: that was on Friday and said, you know there could

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Speaker 3: I mean, what of that argument?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens a lot. So I think in the

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Speaker 2: local court the average remind is about one hundred and

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Speaker 2: often you'll be reading the newspaper, for example, when you'll

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Speaker 2: see that the judge's comment is something like time is served.

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Speaker 2: That means because they've been in prison so long, they're

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Speaker 2: not having to do any additional prison time. So you

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Speaker 2: can see the system's broken, Katie, and justice, you know,

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Speaker 2: Safest Streets is not just about police, it's about courts,

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Speaker 2: and it's also about corrections. So we have to work

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Speaker 2: hard in equal measures in all three. And our focus

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Speaker 2: very much at this point is on corrections because we've

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Speaker 2: police have better powers. Now we continue to give them

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Speaker 2: better powers, and police said doing well, we need that

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Speaker 2: extra support in our prison system, and then get our

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Speaker 1: Talking about our watch houses for example, like right now,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, we've got two hundred and seventeen

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Speaker 1: comparatively to twenty four police prisoners.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And so it's a very difficult situation. And

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Speaker 2: this is a legacy we inherited under labor, which is

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous really. I mean, if they were filling up

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Speaker 2: police watchhouses, they knew we needed more prisons. I mean

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Speaker 2: that in and of itself is an admission that you

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Speaker 2: need more space, and yet they didn't. So it's you know,

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Speaker 2: police are managing with corrections as best they can.

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Speaker 1: And look in a place like Catherine, I mean eighteen

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned that we're losing those You know that

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Speaker 2: I'm not Ludlow's had an incredible result and so has

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Speaker 1: And a bit of good news this morning Air North

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic And you know this is off the back

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Speaker 1: And I hope that it means that people come to

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Speaker 1: It is an absolute duel in the Northern Territories, Crown,

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Speaker 2: It's devastated that community in more ways than one. Katie,

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Speaker 1: Chiefiness to the ABC this morning reporting that one hundred

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Speaker 1: I suppose that some people that are being fined can't

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many times I can say this.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't have an air conditioner in here today.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you haven't been a good girl over the weekend, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm in trouble. Maybe this is my boss putting

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Speaker 2: And so next week then I'll give a presentation about

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Speaker 2: Just how how many budget blowouts they've been as we've

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Speaker 3: So like, what kind of what example is that because

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, we are going to let you go, but

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Speaker 3: An incredible territorian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very sad today there will be a state

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Speaker 1: Lea Fanko, Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, good to

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Speaker 2: Thank you for you to take everyone