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Speaker 1: L podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a cracking news show on the ABC. It's

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Speaker 2: called Reputation Rehabit his back. Last week they actually spoke

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Speaker 2: to Nick Curios obviously about how much he constantly publicly

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Speaker 2: gets rinsed for his behavior on the court and again

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Speaker 2: how that impacts him. Well, tonight is I think a

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Speaker 2: fascinating character, someone who arguably has been the biggest villain

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Speaker 2: in reality TV since it all started, and the story

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Speaker 2: behind that is arguably even better than the theater they

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Speaker 2: put on TV around her. Her name is Abby Chatfield

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Speaker 2: and she joins us on the phone right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, av Hey good good.

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Speaker 2: Really interested to talk to you about this because I've

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Speaker 2: woods and I've both seen bits of the episode tonight.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to play the audience some of what you said.

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Speaker 2: This is just before the finale went to air of

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Speaker 2: The Bachelor.

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Speaker 3: This is what you said.

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Speaker 4: Have listen by the week before finale, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I was very suicidal because it was that the trolling

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Speaker 4: was very bad, and I knew what was going to

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Speaker 4: happen obviously on the Thursday, and I was like, is

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Speaker 4: this going to get worse?

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Speaker 5: Wow? So how did it get to that point?

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Speaker 6: Ab I mean when you're, oh, God, the whole thing

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Speaker 6: is very awful. I mean, if I gets it started

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Speaker 6: from the actual filming process, when I felt like I

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Speaker 6: was kind of isolated in the house and then having

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Speaker 6: to deal with getting over someone that I was eating

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Speaker 6: quote unquote, and so you see it. But I saw

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Speaker 6: it dating someone as well as getting you know, every

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Speaker 6: day they were probably I would say hundreds to maybe

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Speaker 6: even a thousand d ends I would get with physical

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Speaker 6: threats of violence, saying that I should have been aborted,

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Speaker 6: saying these people would killed themselves as they were related

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Speaker 6: to me. Voice notes, Angry voice notes, I was going

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Speaker 6: to work and like my dagar is clothes and no

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Speaker 6: one will come and talk to me because I'm genuinely

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Speaker 6: gat I get physically harmed. So feeling like the whole

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Speaker 6: country hates you after you know, two months or four

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Speaker 6: to being a normal gall and brisbone of a nine

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Speaker 6: to five is quite a quit a ship.

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Speaker 2: Yes, hey, just before we going, the lifeline number is

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Speaker 2: thirteen eleven fourteen. That's just for anyone that's thinking about

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Speaker 2: any of those thoughts themselves, they can almost call lifeline.

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Speaker 3: Abby. Can you can you remember from that season?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember a myriad of incidents where they

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Speaker 1: made you look like the villain, whether it be the

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Speaker 1: dry humping in the ocean, which again was totally fine

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Speaker 1: because you're on a date with a guy, and again

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Speaker 1: by that stage of the show, you've forgotten cameras are there,

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Speaker 1: and nothing bad was said about him in that incidence.

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Speaker 3: It was just you that was acting inappropriately.

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Speaker 1: But what was the moment in the show where the

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Speaker 1: real aggressive trolling started? Like how early in the season

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Speaker 1: was it?

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Speaker 6: Episode three? That was fairly early on? Episode one and

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Speaker 6: two were great. I was like adored. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: this is going to be amazing. And then once I

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Speaker 6: kissed Smart, I heard the villain music and I was like,

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Speaker 6: oh no, this is where we're going. Paths were going

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Speaker 6: down and that's.

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Speaker 2: Intering, isn't it, Because it's all about, as you said,

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Speaker 2: the path that we're going down, because it is what

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Speaker 2: they call, you know, frank and grabbing. It's grabbing different things,

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Speaker 2: putting them together, attaching them to the visual and then

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Speaker 2: creating an image. Because one of the most indelible things

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Speaker 2: that happened from The Bachelor that year is not only

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Speaker 2: that you were a villain, but you were an idiot.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the other part of it. I think we

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Speaker 2: all remember famously the bit where he told you he

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Speaker 2: was an astrophysicist.

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Speaker 3: This is the audio.

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Speaker 5: I'm an astrophysicist.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm a Gemini.

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Speaker 5: And that's not what happened.

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Speaker 6: No, not not any secuncss. I mean after the show,

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Speaker 6: Matt and I would both just said that it was

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Speaker 6: a joke. But the conversation basically was, you know what

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Speaker 6: it is worked, and I said, I know this is

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Speaker 6: the same thing, but now I have to ask the

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Speaker 6: staff time like a bit of dance. Then he said

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Speaker 6: I'm a Leo. Then I said, okay, I'm a Gemini.

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Speaker 3: Gemini and then edited the entire thing.

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Speaker 2: It was extraordinary, which led to you getting thousands of

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Speaker 2: death threats.

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Speaker 5: That's amazing.

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Speaker 6: Well that was the start of it. And then and

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Speaker 6: then it was like I even still get messages if

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Speaker 6: I post my political opinions or opinions on social issues,

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Speaker 6: I'll get DM So aren't you the girl? But to

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Speaker 6: the Gemini thing like as of that invalidate my opinion?

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Speaker 3: Wow, So why didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're saying it now that there was a

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Speaker 1: bit of editing there, and I know tonight phenomenal show

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Speaker 1: Reputation Rehab.

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Speaker 3: You're going to talk about it more. It's on ABC

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Speaker 3: tonight at nine pm.

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Speaker 1: But Abby, why have you taken so long to publicly say, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: that's actually not what happened.

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Speaker 3: That was edited.

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Speaker 6: Well, I was in the contract.

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Speaker 2: Raw.

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Speaker 6: You know, you don't want to make the network angry.

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Speaker 6: You also don't want to They also tell you, they say, like,

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Speaker 6: if you say editing, no one's going to believe you,

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Speaker 6: Like you're almost gas would and they say service editing.

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Speaker 6: Just you know, lean into it and just say it's

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Speaker 6: a joke. And because Matt was saying was a joke,

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Speaker 6: saying God bless him, Yeah, he was just supporting me.

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Speaker 6: So I was like, yeah, it's a joke. So that

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Speaker 6: made it easier.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And there's no accountability there until now about the fact

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Speaker 2: that you were feeling that bad about yourself. Abby stayed

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Speaker 2: with us more with Abby Chatfield.

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Speaker 5: By next podcasting, Wow.

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Speaker 2: If you want to see a really good look behind

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Speaker 2: the curtain of what reality TV is, then get around

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Speaker 2: Reputation Rehab. Are they doing reality Villains? That's the subject

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Speaker 2: today and one of the stars of that is Abby Chatfield,

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Speaker 2: who joins on the phone right now from the thirty

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Speaker 2: third season of The Bachelor Australia. Fun fact, actually, between

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen twenty twenty, there have been three hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty six thousand articles written about reality TV stars.

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Speaker 1: And of those, three hundred thousand were written about Abby Chatfield.

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Speaker 3: Apparently have you.

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Speaker 2: We're just talking about the way that they're using audio

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Speaker 2: and stuff in the show to create this perception of

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Speaker 2: you and essentially the only person or the only image

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Speaker 2: or character that we can trade off, and that led

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Speaker 2: to you getting thousands of death threats and stuff. I

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Speaker 2: just want to illustrate to you and to the audience

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Speaker 2: because people might be thinking of themselves. It's not that bad, guys.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't happen all the time. I actually to show

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Speaker 2: everyone how easy this was. I actually got some I

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Speaker 2: got Woody talking about the new Bachelorettes, and we had

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Speaker 2: a very platonic conversation about them, Ellie and her sister

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Speaker 2: Becky Becky, and then I got the audio and then

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Speaker 2: I reworked it into another conversation that we had and

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Speaker 2: just over and can see how potent this is. Have

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Speaker 2: listened to this, This is not any what he never

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Speaker 2: said any of these things, but I made him sound

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Speaker 2: like you did. Well, can you please tell me a

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Speaker 2: bit about your history with the New Bachelorette women.

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Speaker 1: The sisters, the Miles sisters, the Miles sisters. So it

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Speaker 1: was almost like two birds, one stone that one. We

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Speaker 1: had a couple of dates and one zumba class. Wow,

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Speaker 1: so you were dating both sisters at the same time.

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Speaker 1: How did you instigate contact?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: And a few jokes here and there, and there a

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Speaker 1: few videos sent naughty in the back of a taxi.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that extraordinary?

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Speaker 6: It's wild, it is.

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Speaker 1: I think the wild thing is though that you know,

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Speaker 1: when you are I know, frank and grabbing goes on,

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Speaker 1: but then when I sit down and I watch these

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Speaker 1: reality shows for some reason, yeah, it's just like I

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Speaker 1: still believe it, and I think that's most of the

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Speaker 6: Yes, the little or DM we're saying, they can't actually

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Speaker 6: make you saying, and the sing is that they can.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you cannot be made to say anything if

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Speaker 6: you don't.

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Speaker 5: Speak at all, but you have to speak and then

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Speaker 5: they can edit it afterwards.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. So you have like they have like a

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Speaker 6: whole vocabulary of all the words you've said making this,

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Speaker 6: you know, cut things from the first week through to finale,

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Speaker 6: and they hold them says and also they were grammatically incorrect.

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Speaker 6: That was my main offense does mainly about that, which

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Speaker 6: covers like the n I come for a family of teachers.

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Speaker 3: I'm okay with saying like a bitch, but don't let

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Speaker 2: As much as we're laughing about this now that the

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Speaker 2: tragic thing about this is that this led to people

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Speaker 2: genuinely perversively, if I'm being honest, hating you like it

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Speaker 2: just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 5: We've got an audio of a death threat that you

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Speaker 3: How wasn't of this?

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Speaker 1: Never got the chance.

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Speaker 3: Ye to listen to?

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Speaker 6: Well that wasn't even that was in like March or something,

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Speaker 6: because this is still eight months after the show. So

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Speaker 6: this is like, yeah, people are steal this, mad at me?

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Speaker 6: I still controlled every day, I get at least one

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Speaker 3: On social media. Avan what about just like living your life?

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Speaker 1: So when you're you know, walking down to you know,

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Speaker 1: your local milk barrow and every and someone recognizes you,

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Speaker 1: do you still cop it in person?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 6: Everyone loves me. Now I go girls crying some joy,

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Speaker 6: and I get little kids coming up to morning photos.

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Speaker 6: Like the whole people are still are amazing, But there

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Speaker 6: are those two. But still every day, you know, two

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Speaker 6: inags focus on the negative ones, but I'll got fifty

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Speaker 6: amazing ones. We're saying you.

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Speaker 1: Change my life.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, wow, they talk about.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually we're going to do an extended podcast with

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Speaker 2: you about that because that part of things I think

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Speaker 2: is absolutely fascinating. Like you're you're totally unashamed in terms

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Speaker 2: of how open you are about not only your sexuality

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Speaker 2: but like your confidence about your body and posting about

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And I mean, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: not paraphrasing here. I read a post of yours recently

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Speaker 2: that said something about how good it feeled to let

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Speaker 2: your titties.

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Speaker 5: Bounce quote unquote, and there was just slow know your.

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Speaker 2: Bobs, which is which was, you know, a great viewing

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Speaker 2: as a heterosexual guy. But amazing that people then take

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Speaker 2: that a step further to then call you, well, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to use all these words on the radio,

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Speaker 2: but everything that comes from that, so congratulations and being

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Speaker 2: as transparent and as confident as you continue to be

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Speaker 2: with all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: You see, what you're hearing.

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