WEBVTT - Did police ignore the warnings about the Perth shooter? 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.320 Already and this is the Dailias. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.439 This is the Dahlias. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.880 Oh now it makes sense. 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.040 Just a quick heads up that this podcast will deal 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.200 with distressing content, specifically around domestic violence. If you need 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.239 any help, you can always contact one eight hundred respect 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.120 on one eight hundred seven three seven seven three to two. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.840 Good morning and welcome to the Dahlias. It's Thursday, the 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:28.680 thirtieth of May. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.080 I'm zara, I'm sam. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.000 The country has been rocked by yet another story of 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.320 men's violence against women after a Perth man killed a 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.360 mother and daughter on Friday. To believe, the man, a 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.279 licensed gun owner, was looking for his ex partner at 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.880 the time of the incident. In the wake of this, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.080 the shooter's daughter has issued a public statement about what 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.480 she says is a failure by Wa police to adequately 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.720 address safety concerns that she and her mother had had 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.760 about her father. She claims that she quote raised the 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.360 alarm about her father three times and was subsequently ignored. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.160 In today's podcast, we're going to discuss what we know 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.839 about the incident, the investigation now being launched, and how. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.080 The WA government has responded. But first the headlines. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.400 A peer built by the US to supply aid to 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.040 civilians in Gaza has broken due to rough seas. The 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.520 US Department of Defense said it was quote working to 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.240 recover three of four vessels associated with the Peer, which 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.120 was built several weeks ago. Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.640 Singh said the Peer proved highly valuable in delivering aid 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.600 to the people of Gaza. Thus, upon completion of the 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.199 Peer repair and reassembly, the intention is to re anchor 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.040 the temporary Peer to the coast of Gaza and resume 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.200 humanitarian aid to the people who need it most. It's 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.320 expected the repairs will take more than a week. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.240 A suspected Ticketmaster hack could have exposed the personal details 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.200 of around five hundred and sixty million customers. A hacker 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.840 known as shine any Hunters is believed to be behind 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.840 the breach and owns a forum where thousands of Optus 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:09.040 customers personal details were published. In twenty twenty two, In 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.959 an unverified screenshot from the dark web, shiny Hunters claimed 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.240 they have one point three terabytes worth of personal data, 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.880 including the names, phone numbers, addresses, and card details of 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.920 Live Nation and Ticketmaster customers. TBA reached out to Ticketmaster 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.600 for comment, but hadn't heard back at the time of recording. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.560 Prices rose by three point six percent in the twelve 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.400 months to April twenty twenty four. That's according to new 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.079 figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Inflation figures for 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.840 April are up point one percent from the previous month. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.960 That means everyday goods and services cost three point six 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.639 percent more in April twenty twenty four than they did 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.200 last April. Alcohol and tobacco prices, housing and transport saw 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.959 some of the biggest increases over the past twelve months. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.480 And today's good news. Findings from a peanut allergy study 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.200 could lead researchers to understand ways of preventing food allergies 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.840 more broadly. A King's College London study found evidence that 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.840 exposing young children to peanuts cannot reduce their risk of 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.079 developing an allergy. Said those who avoided peanuts at a 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.880 young age were more likely to be allergic than people 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.040 who'd consumed. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:19.959 Peanuts during infancy. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.560 The study concluded that long term prevention and tolerance is 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.120 possible with food allergies. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.560 Zara, this is a really distressing story we're going to 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.560 be speaking about today. Why don't we start with a 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.400 high level explanation of what exactly happened in Perth this week. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.160 Sure, so, at about four to twenty pm on Friday, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.200 a man entered a home in the Perth suburb of Floriate. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.480 And before I go on any feather, just want to 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.080 say from the outset that will refer to him either 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.720 as the man, the perpetrator, the shooter up, but not 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.880 by his name, and that's just a choice the Dahlios 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.760 has made. So in the home home that this man 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.200 entered was fifty nine year old Jennifer Pedelchik and her 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.480 eighteen year old daughter, Gretel. Now it's believed that the 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.040 man was looking for his former partner, who was Jennifer's friend. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.960 The man, who was a licensed gun owner, proceeded to 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.360 shoot both Jennifer and Gretel and then himself. He and 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.880 Jennifer died at the scene and Gretel later died in hospital. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.320 His former partner was not at the home. 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.880 A really horrific incident. And since it's happened, we've actually 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.159 heard from the shooter's daughter, right. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.799 Yes, So the shooter's daughter, Ariel Bombara, issued a video 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.520 statement this week, and I must say it was completely remarkable. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.960 In it, the young woman said that she along with 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.920 her mother, had fled her family home two months ago 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.160 quote in fear of our lives and to remove ourselves 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.720 from an abusive situation. So there she's talking about fleeing 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.520 from the home that her father was occupying at the time. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.320 She said that she alerted police to her father's dangerous 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.760 behavior multiple times prior to the incident that unfolded last Friday, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.920 and according to Ariel, she contacted police on three separate occasions. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.159 She said that she told police that she and her 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.880 mother feared for their lives and that she flagged concern 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.880 about her father's access to guns, and I'm going to 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.440 go back to that in just a second. Her statement 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.960 said that she applied for a temporary protective order against 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.560 her father, so that was something that would have put 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.760 in place a measure that had to protect them and 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.960 had to keep him away, but that police rejected that 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.880 specific request. Ariel said that she and her mother were 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.600 repeatedly ignored and that they were failed and that to 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.520 direct quote by wa police, and that further actions could 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.159 have prevented the murders of these two women we saw 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.640 on Friday. I do just want to play out a 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.360 bit of aerial statement now because it is just so 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.800 moving and I cannot imagine what it has taken for 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.400 her in the wake of such tragedy. You know, she 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.160 has both lost two people that she knew they were 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.880 family friends in an act of senseless violence. But in 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.040 the same vein her father is responsible for these deaths. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.920 So here are the words of Ariel. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.760 We were ignored by five different male officers across three 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:21.840 occasions of reporting. By that point, we felt completely helpless 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.479 and I had to focus on getting mum to safety. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:30.040 I did everything I could to protect my mother, and 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.760 when my father couldn't find us, he murdered her best 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.480 friend and her best friend's daughter. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.000 It truly is a remarkable statement that she delivered. So 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.279 she's basically alleging there that the police did not take 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.600 appropriate action. Yeah, and that itself is a really serious 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.839 issue and a really serious allegation. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.160 Because I mean, I think this is where a lot 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.240 of anger is lying at the moment with these conversations, 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.120 is that you know, we're talking about investments in prevention, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.080 and we're talking about all of these things, and yet 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.160 we've seen now a number of incidents whether it be 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.240 about our bay laws or something else about the way 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.840 that things are happening, in the way that processes are 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.720 happening that aren't protecting women. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.080 And so what has the response then been from WA Police. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:11.320 So? 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:16.320 WA Police's Internal Investigations Unit has launched an investigation into 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.640 these allegations, and that's in response to this specific video statement. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.200 It'll focus on the three interactions that Aeriel highlighted that 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.400 she had had with police and then the response that 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.440 followed that. So here is a bit of WA Police 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.520 Commissioner Cole Blanche talking about the investigation and what he's 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.640 hoping will come of this investigation. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.440 I want to reinforce that me, as the Commissioner and 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.120 our entire WA Police Force are extremely saddened by the 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.320 tragic events of Friday and if there's anything that we 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.920 can do to improve the way we police going forward, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.280 the internal investigation will no doubt bore those details out. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.920 Okay, So it's clear the police are going to investigate 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.560 how those complaints were handled. But the other story here 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.000 is about the access that the perpetrator had to guns. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.960 Right, Yes, So, I mean we always think that here 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.520 in Australia we don't have an issue with guns, and 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.920 I think it is quite rare to be talking about 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.800 guns in this sort of context. But the perpetrator owned 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.960 thirteen guns. So he owned eleven guns on a recreational 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.320 gun license, and then he owned two handguns on a 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.400 collector's license. And in her statement, Ariel said that she 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 specifically told police about one. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:33.960 Of these weapons. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.920 It was a glock handgun, and she says that she 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.800 told police that that gun was unaccounted for, and then 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.000 she went on in that statement to suggest that that 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.319 might have been a weapon that was used in this 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.400 double murder. So this incident did unfold at the same 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.240 time as a broader conversation about guns in the state 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.760 had already been playing out. So in February of this year, 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.640 the WA government proposed what they said. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.160 Would be the toughest gun laws in the country. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.360 Now. That legislation included limiting the number of guns that 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:10.000 a person can own and imposing stricter licensing requirements. It 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.679 also proposed introducing a mandatory health check for gun owners. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.160 So's a lot of the sort of stuff we hear 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.280 out of the US and what they've been trying to 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.520 do around background checks and the like. The WA government 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.360 has announced a review of the draft legislation in response 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.800 to what we have seen occur after there were concerns 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:32.000 raised about this shooting in particular, and in a presser 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:36.920 following this incident, WA's Police Minister Paul Popalia, he really 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:42.120 emphasized the importance of expanding police's ability to issue protective orders, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.120 particularly in situations involving fire arms. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.280 The order that said she applied for right yes. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.800 So he described those current laws as inadequate, and he 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.439 said that the shooter would have had fewer firearms if 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.679 the draft laws had already passed. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.560 So, as I said, this is just proposed legislation. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.400 It had already been a conversation in the state, but 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.520 it hadn't passed at the time that this incident occurred. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.000 It's obviously very difficult to know if anything would have 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.880 turned out differently because we're talking only in hypotheticals, but 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.719 that's certainly the line that the government is saying right now. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.640 I do just want to add that that legislation also 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:24.200 proposed a ban on domestic violence offenders holding a firearm, and. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.800 That's an interesting point you raise. I mean, is this 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.440 being treated as a domestic violence incident? 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.640 The Wa premier earlier this week called it an incident 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.400 motivated by domestic and family violence, so pretty clear language there. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.280 In doing so, he pointed to the four hundred million 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.880 dollars his government has said it will spend on domestic 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.160 violence prevention in the state. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.880 We've spent a bit of time today talking through the 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.160 WA government and WA Police, but obviously this is a 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.559 federal issue. Have we heard from the federal government on 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:55.560 this particular incident. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.760 Yeah, well we heard from Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.960 who told the ABC that it seems like Ariel didn't 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.679 get the response that she needed from police, so that's 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.760 her weighing in on what we have since learned. She 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.760 described WA's police's investigation as important, and separately to that, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.719 an independent panel commission by the federal government met this 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:20.079 week to identify best practice kind of prevention strategies to 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:21.359 combat violence. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:22.160 Against women and children. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.000 As I said, it's been a national conversation, a bit 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.960 of a personal link there that my brother is part 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.959 of that panel and is helping to advise the government 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.640 on how to move forward. That we keep having these conversations, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.880 there keep being commitments that something will change, but it 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.040 appears that the strategy isn't working, as you know Billy 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.079 put to the minister earlier this week. So really interested 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.480 to see what the panel will come up with. It's 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.319 due to submit its findings to the government later this year. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.880 But this latest incident in Perth is again highlighting the 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.400 many facets that underpin family and domestic violence and you 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.800 know the way the gun laws and the way that 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.040 the police interact with this, and certainly there is a 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:06.480 lot of work yet to be done. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.679 And just another reminder that if you need help you 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.679 can always contact one eight hundred respect on one eight 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.679 hundred seven three seven seven three to two. We'll be 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.839 back again tomorrow. Until then, have a good day. My 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.880 name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.240 Caalcutin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges that 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.800 this podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.200 people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.120 Island and nations. We pay our respects to the first 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.640 peoples of these countries, both past and present.