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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Dailias.

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Speaker 2: This is the Dahlias.

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Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Just a quick heads up that this podcast will deal

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Speaker 3: with distressing content, specifically around domestic violence. If you need

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Speaker 3: any help, you can always contact one eight hundred respect

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Speaker 3: on one eight hundred seven three seven seven three to two.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Dahlias. It's Thursday, the

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Speaker 3: thirtieth of May.

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Speaker 4: I'm zara, I'm sam.

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Speaker 3: The country has been rocked by yet another story of

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Speaker 3: men's violence against women after a Perth man killed a

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Speaker 3: mother and daughter on Friday. To believe, the man, a

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Speaker 3: licensed gun owner, was looking for his ex partner at

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Speaker 3: the time of the incident. In the wake of this,

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Speaker 3: the shooter's daughter has issued a public statement about what

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Speaker 3: she says is a failure by Wa police to adequately

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Speaker 3: address safety concerns that she and her mother had had

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Speaker 3: about her father. She claims that she quote raised the

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Speaker 3: alarm about her father three times and was subsequently ignored.

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Speaker 3: In today's podcast, we're going to discuss what we know

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Speaker 3: about the incident, the investigation now being launched, and how.

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Speaker 1: The WA government has responded. But first the headlines.

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Speaker 4: A peer built by the US to supply aid to

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Speaker 4: civilians in Gaza has broken due to rough seas. The

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Speaker 4: US Department of Defense said it was quote working to

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Speaker 4: recover three of four vessels associated with the Peer, which

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Speaker 4: was built several weeks ago. Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina

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Speaker 4: Singh said the Peer proved highly valuable in delivering aid

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Speaker 4: to the people of Gaza. Thus, upon completion of the

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Speaker 4: Peer repair and reassembly, the intention is to re anchor

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Speaker 4: the temporary Peer to the coast of Gaza and resume

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Speaker 4: humanitarian aid to the people who need it most. It's

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Speaker 4: expected the repairs will take more than a week.

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Speaker 3: A suspected Ticketmaster hack could have exposed the personal details

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Speaker 3: of around five hundred and sixty million customers. A hacker

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Speaker 3: known as shine any Hunters is believed to be behind

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Speaker 3: the breach and owns a forum where thousands of Optus

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Speaker 3: customers personal details were published. In twenty twenty two, In

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Speaker 3: an unverified screenshot from the dark web, shiny Hunters claimed

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Speaker 3: they have one point three terabytes worth of personal data,

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Speaker 3: including the names, phone numbers, addresses, and card details of

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Speaker 3: Live Nation and Ticketmaster customers. TBA reached out to Ticketmaster

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Speaker 3: for comment, but hadn't heard back at the time of recording.

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Speaker 4: Prices rose by three point six percent in the twelve

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Speaker 4: months to April twenty twenty four. That's according to new

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Speaker 4: figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Inflation figures for

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Speaker 4: April are up point one percent from the previous month.

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Speaker 4: That means everyday goods and services cost three point six

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Speaker 4: last April. Alcohol and tobacco prices, housing and transport saw

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Speaker 4: some of the biggest increases over the past twelve months.

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Speaker 3: And today's good news. Findings from a peanut allergy study

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Speaker 3: more broadly. A King's College London study found evidence that

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Speaker 3: exposing young children to peanuts cannot reduce their risk of

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Speaker 3: developing an allergy. Said those who avoided peanuts at a

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Speaker 1: Peanuts during infancy.

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Speaker 3: The study concluded that long term prevention and tolerance is

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Speaker 4: Zara, this is a really distressing story we're going to

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Speaker 4: high level explanation of what exactly happened in Perth this week.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so, at about four to twenty pm on Friday,

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Speaker 3: The man, who was a licensed gun owner, proceeded to

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Speaker 4: A really horrific incident. And since it's happened, we've actually

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the shooter's daughter, Ariel Bombara, issued a video

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Speaker 3: She said that she alerted police to her father's dangerous

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Speaker 3: So here are the words of Ariel.

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Speaker 5: I did everything I could to protect my mother, and

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Speaker 5: when my father couldn't find us, he murdered her best

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Speaker 4: It truly is a remarkable statement that she delivered. So

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Speaker 3: Because I mean, I think this is where a lot

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Speaker 4: And so what has the response then been from WA Police.

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Speaker 3: It'll focus on the three interactions that Aeriel highlighted that

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Speaker 2: I want to reinforce that me, as the Commissioner and

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Speaker 2: the internal investigation will no doubt bore those details out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So it's clear the police are going to investigate

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Speaker 1: Would be the toughest gun laws in the country.

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Speaker 3: Now. That legislation included limiting the number of guns that

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting point you raise. I mean, is this

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Speaker 4: We've spent a bit of time today talking through the

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Speaker 3: But this latest incident in Perth is again highlighting the

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Speaker 4: And just another reminder that if you need help you

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