1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: The Christian O'Connell Breakfast Show, Melbourne's Gold one oh four 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: point three. 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: Hey, this is Christian O'Connell from the Breakfast Show. Thank 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: you very much for downloading the special Jimmy Barnes Interview. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: And it is a special interview because not the normal 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: interview that I've done before, and that's because of the 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: man you're about to hear, Jimmy Barnes. The documentary, I 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: cannot recommend it enough. It's called Working Class Boy and 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: it's about the young life the early life of Jimmy Barnes. 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: And if you read the book which I have, which 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: is one of the best rock stories ever written, it's 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: an amazing read. However, the documentary takes it to another level. 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: It will break your heart at times. It is so sad. 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: This guy really, really, really had a tough upbringing and 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: when you see it on screen and you see the 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: pain that it still has on Jimmy's face when he 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: talks about it. But it isn't just a misery FETs 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: for an hour and a half. It's also a story 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: about healing as well, and you see his family up there. 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: There's a scene with his son that will just melt 21 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: your heart. It is beautiful, it's an incredible documentary. It's 22 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: a film, and it is a britty want. When people 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: talk about the rest the best rock documentaries, this will 24 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: be mentioned up there. Working Class Boy cannot recommend it enough. 25 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: I promise you at the end of this chat you 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: want to go and see it. But anyway, here he 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: is Jimmy Barnes. Jimmy, I'll have to first of all 28 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: say thanks for even still doing the interview this week, 29 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: because when we heard about the falling through the stage, 30 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: we didn't think we'd see you this week. 31 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: Well, I didn't think i'd be getting her own because 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: when I first did it, the first thing I thought 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: was a busted my leg. But once I pulled it out, 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: the hole on it and I could put weight on it, 35 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: some weight, I thought, okay, I can finish the show's 36 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: legs not busting, but it was. That was a lot 37 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: of agony. Luckily, I do a lot of screaming. 38 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: Anyway, so Jimmy's really adding some screams get higher. 39 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: So what actually happened I was blaming. 40 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: The venue was we did the moment eyes on Rodeo 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: and they sort of bashed this stage together like in 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: the middle of the ball ring, and they had a 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: couple of hours to build it, and I guess there 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: was a there was a app about eight inches that 45 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: I fell into. I've been telling people, it's just a 46 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: silly stage I'm going through. 47 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: I saw your tweet the other day and that's where 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: I realized you must be on the Men's or on 49 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: the Men's. 50 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: No, you know what, I went. I went and they 51 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: took me straight to hospital, and you know. 52 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: Sod you obviously have to win the show. I mean, 53 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: what point during the show did it happen? Halfway through? 54 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty minutes into the show. 55 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: You can ask what song were you doing? 56 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: Do you even remember Ride the Night Away? I was, 57 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: and it was a guitar solo and I'd literally taken 58 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: over a mugget. I've got to get some hot honey 59 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 3: and hot water from my voice. And luckily it was 60 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: sober and I've done these things before. When I was 61 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: and I just and I feel that I thought, well, 62 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: you know, it's there was a couple of things that 63 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: there was you know, you get embarrassed, but I was 64 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: in too much pain to be embarrassed, and that was 65 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: kind of that one. The thing was the show once 66 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: I could put my weight on. It was painful, but 67 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: I thought the show's going to get finished. So I 68 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: just got up there and I was running on adrenaline 69 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: and then I pasted off like screaming and shouting at 70 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: myself while I was doing it, and it goes okay 71 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: until I stopped, and then it was agony. But there 72 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: was blood. I didn't I didn't think because I had 73 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: heavy jeans on and I didn't think I really ripped 74 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: any flesh. But I could feel it all trickling down 75 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: my leg and fall. 76 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: So why do you don't you if you've got stitches 77 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: in what? 78 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: No, I need a couple of stitches. But because there 79 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: was such a huge hematoma and I've bashed my knee, 80 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: I've torn the muscle in my thigh and and the 81 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: and the and pulled it apart so much that needs 82 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: a couple of stitches. But they didn't want to stitch 83 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: it because they wanted all the blood, the you know, 84 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: the old blood to get out. 85 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: Otherwise, what a great start to an interview where a 86 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: word comes up, huge hematoma, which sounds like the name of. 87 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: A heavy metal We're huge, and we're going it's the 88 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: home of the hematoma. 89 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: We need for you. 90 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: The stick? 91 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: Is this now to help you walking as you're getting 92 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: over it? 93 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to put some weight on it, because because 94 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: you look like a badass. 95 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: I know. 96 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: Really this is a queen stick that bought my daughter 97 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: years ago. You know it's dangerous giving me a stick 98 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: in our scotsmen with a bad What are we're talking about? 99 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Chat again? 100 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: It's just a little help that's on it, So listen. 101 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: Tell us about the documentary then this is this is amazing. 102 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: Your life story has always been an incredible one. And 103 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: at the beginning of this year I was finishing my 104 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: old radio show in London and someone sent me a 105 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: copy of your book, right, and so I read it. 106 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: So I thought it's such an iconic Australian. I thought, 107 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: we'll give me a good idea about rock and roll 108 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: in this country. 109 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: And it's a cracking read. At times it's like a movie. 110 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the story coming from starting in Scotland, in Glasgow, 111 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: which I wasn't even aware of. 112 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: So now to make a documentary. How how did this 113 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: all come about? 114 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: Well, you know, the hip was sort of a natural progression. 115 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 3: I mean I started writing the book really as sort 116 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: of therapy for myself. You know, there had a lot 117 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: of problems as obviously growing up as a child, a 118 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: lot of violence and domestic violence and abuse and alcoholism 119 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: and stuff and uh and and all that stuff. When 120 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 3: I when I, when I grew up, I sort of 121 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: shoved it in the backbone and didn't look at it again. 122 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: And it's all the it's all the things that sort 123 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: of kill you as a man, you know, all the 124 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: things that really that I bottled up, that I tried 125 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: to hide. You know, people are ashamed of where they 126 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: come from and what you know. But so anyway, I 127 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: thought it was time I started dealing with some of 128 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: the stuff, and I started writing the book. And unbelievably, 129 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 3: as soon as I started writing even more I started 130 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: to remember and needing more stuff, and it got darker 131 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: and darker. So this whole, the whole process was like therapy. 132 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: Then I took the show out on the road and 133 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 3: and and I learned more about it. I remembered more things, 134 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: and I talked to people and the audience. 135 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: Because you're opening yourself up to it, yeah, and really. 136 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: And suddenly you know, the juices flow and you start 137 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: thinking about you know more, And there was things that 138 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: I'd locked out of that, I'd blocked out of my memory, 139 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: you know, the coach because it was just too pain. 140 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: Have you never had therapy or anything to else sort do? 141 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: Well? 142 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: It was I was having therapy before, Yeah, and that's 143 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: why I guess it all started really coming up. And 144 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: and one of the things, one of the and the 145 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: movie is the extension of that again where the documentary 146 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: went back and I realized more things because I'd go 147 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: to the place where I was born in Glasgow and suddenly, 148 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: you you know, you feel you know, you're in the 149 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: middle of it, and you and you and you really 150 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: get in touch with it, with the feelings I. 151 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: Guess in some ways, like going back to scene like 152 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: a crime or something. 153 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: It's sort of like that. Yeah, it was like that. 154 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: And so, you know, the thing that I've realized was, 155 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: you know, the issues that I was dealing with were 156 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: not issues that were just mine. There are issues that 157 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: a lot of families go through, you know, you know, 158 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: the domestic violence, alcoholism, poverty, you know abuse, you know, 159 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: sexual abuse, emotional abuse. There's people living with us every 160 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: day here and and a lot of those issues come 161 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: from this whole blocky, bloody you know, man up, you know, 162 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: be tough. 163 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: Don't have that phrase. It's awful that phrase is because 164 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: actually it's astroys man. 165 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: You've got to be you don't you don't communicate, you 166 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: don't feel, you don't talk, you know, you don't cry, 167 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: don't have to show weakness. And you know what, blokes 168 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: are just like anybody else. We you know, we we 169 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: do breakdown, we do we do feel, we do hurt, 170 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: we do you know, we do need to talk and uh. 171 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: And unfortunately that's what those things, you know, you couple 172 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 3: that with alcohol or whatever, and it causes incredible problems. 173 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: You know, there's the women are being killed all over 174 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: the you know, Australia by by men who are who 175 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: are who are locking all this stuff up? Men and 176 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: men are killing themselves because they're not talking about this stuff. 177 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 3: So one of the things, and I guess I got 178 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: to that point of writing the book and dealing with 179 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: all this stuff because you know, I look at it. 180 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: I've been drinking myself to death for fifty years. You know, 181 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: it's in the public eye, but it's been like a long, 182 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: slow suicide. And so you know, I figured I better 183 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: start to talking about it before because otherwise my kids 184 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: have to deal with this stuff. You know, you pass 185 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: this on generationally. 186 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: It's so true. 187 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: So and you're you're stopping that though I'm trying to 188 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: make and speaking out from it, and other people, other 189 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: men will draw so much inspiration from somebody because to 190 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: the outside you look like this. 191 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: Really tough rock and roller yeah yeah, which you obviously are. 192 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: But inside there there's this the heart of an artist 193 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: and someone who's suffered at that. 194 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: And the thing is and the thing is I even 195 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: though I hadn't dealt with all this stuff, it came 196 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: out in the music, you know. I mean every time 197 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: I sang a song. You know, if I needed to 198 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: feel fear, I could feel it quite easily. If I 199 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: needed to feel pain, it was in there. If I 200 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: need to feel love, it was there. And we all 201 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: have the capacity to feel all this stuff, but we 202 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: don't like to feel it. We don't like to you know, 203 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: we don't like to feel pain. And but you have 204 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: to sort of address it because if you run from stuff, 205 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: it's going to make it worse. You know, nothing's that 206 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: scary you're going to run from it, you know. And 207 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: I just think, you know, if we can all start 208 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: a conversation because it's kind of it's like it's generational change. 209 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: It's not going to happen overnight. If we start letting us, 210 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: letting our children know, our grandchildren feel, let boys, you know, cry, 211 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: let boys know that it's okay to sort of express 212 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: that you fear or worry or whatever. They're going to 213 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: be better kids, they're going to deal with stuff. They're 214 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: going to be better people, and we might have a 215 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: chance at sort of eliminating some of these problems. 216 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: One amazing message to come from you, Jimmy, that's incredible. 217 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: It's just what the world and what men and women need. 218 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: So because they're all we're all affected by that, it's sort. 219 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: Of these things come to the head, you know, and 220 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: they're sort of they're coming up in all different ways, 221 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: whether it's me too, or suicide or the domestic answer 222 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: has been on the radar, you know, here for a 223 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: lot quite a while now. But all these things are 224 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: all joined at the hip, and they are all problems 225 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: that we all have to we're all going to tackle 226 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: them together because effects if you know, if I it's 227 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: not you, it'll affect your daughter or fect you you know, 228 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 3: your son, or it'll come out and so there are 229 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: problems we can't we can't brush them another car. 230 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: So we'll devise. 231 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: If there are men listening to this and you're speaking 232 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: to them and they're really taking in what you're saying, 233 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: and they know what you're talking about, and they haven't 234 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: been able, okay, to talk openly about it, or they 235 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: felt ashamed of those things, what would you advise them 236 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: to do? 237 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: You know what the best thing you can ever do 238 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: is look for help. You know, I I grew up 239 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: and you know, my father is a boxer. I grew 240 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: up really surrounded by hard men, and I was in 241 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: gangs and I fought, and I was a martial artist, 242 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: black belt and all that sort of stuff, and you know, 243 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: and I thought, you know, I could beat my chest 244 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: and be brave and all that stuff. Bravery is one thing. 245 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: Courage is another thing. I thought. I became courageous and 246 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: I felt courageous in myself the day I first asked 247 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: for help. And and and that's what men need to do. 248 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: That's what if you want to be a real man, 249 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: show courage, you know. And that's that's to face things 250 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: that are wrong and things that aren't right and change 251 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: the things that aren't right in you and to do that, 252 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: you can always do it on your own. You might 253 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: be able to do it on your but you have 254 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: to talk to someone, whether it's your partner, your friends, 255 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: or you know. I see a therapist once a week 256 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: because you know, and and I said, I was one 257 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: of those guys who if you ask for help, you're 258 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: a week and if you've seen a therapist, you were crazy. 259 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: And you know what, I'm neither. 260 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: So it's just a message in the in the documentary that. 261 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: It's not really a message in the documentary, it's it's 262 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: documenting that that life. And I guess the messages that 263 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people out there still going through 264 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: the same stuff, you know. Really it's it's you know, 265 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 3: there's families, you know, it just amazes me that there's 266 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: families living in the same poverty as I was brought 267 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: up in. Now, in Melbourne and Sydney, all around Australia, 268 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 3: there's two hundred thousand people living on the streets. So 269 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: these problems aren't getting better, We're not dealing with them. 270 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: In fact, governments continue to chip away any help to families, 271 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: to support groups for mental health for all the issues 272 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 3: that cause all the suffering could be not eliminated, but 273 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: at least given help. But for some reason we seem 274 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: to be sort of taking away any help that people 275 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: are getting. So you know, my message is to they 276 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: stand up, demand more support for families, Demand more health 277 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: for mental health. Demand you know it's funding. You know 278 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: why are we doing you know why we you know, 279 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: why are we giving money to the banks or to 280 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: anybody when we can be helping our school, helping our 281 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: kids grow to become happier, more decent human beings. That's 282 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: what we're going to do. 283 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: So tell me this then, Jimmy, I think you went 284 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: through growing up in a very very Glasgow, very very 285 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: macho culture. 286 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: How did you find a way out? What? 287 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: What? 288 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: What was it discovering you could sing? What happened? 289 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: Well? 290 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: Music was Music was always my my escape. I mean, 291 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: I've I learned at a very early age that people 292 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: don't hurt you if they're like you as much as 293 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: much so and people like me if I'm saying so, 294 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 3: when I was five and I'd be in the street, 295 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: I could I could sing. Or I was at school 296 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 3: and there's weird people there I could get I could 297 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: sing and everybody would pay attention. 298 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: So were you in the school choir? 299 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: I used to sing every day I'd go to school 300 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: in a five six years old. They'd sent me around 301 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: all the classes singing. I was in the choir. I 302 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: was in the choir till I was turned about twelve, 303 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: and then I got chucked out because I didn't blend in. 304 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: Anymore because then the voice is starting and I was. 305 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: Just I was listening to Paul Rodgers and so suddenly 306 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 3: I didn't have a tone that blended. But I was 307 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 3: mortified when they threw me out the choir. But but 308 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 3: then I thought, well, I've got you know, I'll bet 309 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: your ray Charles wasn't in the choir. Everyboddy was. But 310 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: so that's when I got in a band. So you know, 311 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: I mean, really, it's just it's just about a life. 312 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 3: The doco is about a life, and and it's you know, 313 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: been a bit of a wildlife, but it's you know, 314 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: it's what it is. I've lived through it, and I'm 315 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 3: so pleased to get the opportunity to do this because 316 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: it breaks the cycle for my kids, for my grandkids. 317 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: They don't have to do this, go through the same 318 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: rubbish I did. And I think the doco itself. It's 319 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: great that it's you know, being so well received. I mean, 320 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: I think it's two hundred and sixty cinemas around Australia, 321 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: which is the biggest doco release Drougian history. And Mark Geoffy, 322 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: the director who did it as a dear friend of 323 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: mine who's made great movies. And Mark did it, you know, 324 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: not trying to sensationalize, not trying to play down anything 325 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: that's He's made it as real as it is and 326 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: I think people can can can get stuff from it. 327 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: And along with that, there's some really great music and 328 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: I got to you know, we set up sound stages 329 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: and experimented with how we performed the songs. I got 330 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 3: to perform songs where the ac of this historian chamber orchestra, 331 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: you know. 332 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Unbelievab back to that choir boy. 333 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 3: That's it. I'm full circle and uh and it was just, 334 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 3: you know, really emotional. It was a really great thing. 335 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: And I think that the film is a fantastic piece 336 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: of work. 337 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: Don't you think the last couple of years, documentaries have 338 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: become this really respected separate art form where some of 339 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: the documentary you see on Netflix and all of this 340 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: are just as good, if not better than actual movie making. 341 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: Movie making well, but you know, there were some stories 342 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: that I think it's better, you know. I mean, there's 343 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 3: was a phase here where everybody was making you know, 344 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: the telemovies and the mini series, and I was watching 345 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: it and then sort of glorify all the wrong things. 346 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: You know, that's a story about like my story, because 347 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: it was so meant so much to me, and it 348 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: was and it was so close to the bone. 349 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: You know. 350 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: I didn't want to glorify this by saying to make 351 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: a movie about sex and drugs and rock and roll 352 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff that's too easy and 353 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: too like, too frivolous. You know that these are serious issues. 354 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: I mean that I was inspired by seeing doctors like Amy, 355 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: you know and uh Senna but made by the same guy. 356 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: And I think people like, you know, the truth and like, like, 357 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: whether it's painful to watch or not, people want to 358 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: see the truth. People don't want to see this sort 359 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: of bullshitty sort of painted picture of one side or 360 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: one view of a thing. You know, that that sort 361 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: of the inaccess story. For instance, when I watched that 362 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: and made me sick because you know that you know 363 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: that's you know that they were such a great man 364 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: and great friends and they and they struggled and suffered 365 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: and it took Michael's life, you know because for that 366 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: and a lot of the same reasons, because blokes don't 367 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: talk about stuff, you know really and uh and that 368 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: wasn't that wasn't portrayed in it. It was all this 369 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: sort of yeah, we're rock and roll back. It was 370 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: just stupid, you know. 371 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: But but you know, but they had great music and 372 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: how did you come to do the song with them? 373 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: Good times? 374 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: But well, they were friends. We you know, we were 375 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: we you know, in excess and myself with coaches, and 376 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: we used to tour together and you know, and I 377 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: was you know, Michael was a young singer, and you 378 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: know I used to bloody lead them astray. And you know, 379 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: I'm probably responsible for I have of this, you know. 380 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: I mean we get drunk and do all sorts of 381 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: stuff together and you know, and we were just good 382 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: mates and and you know when we went at the time, 383 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: we were going to do good times. It was it 384 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,479 Speaker 3: was a period in Australian music where the Australian audiences 385 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: used to think that anything that came in from overseas 386 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: was better than what we had. 387 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: You know. 388 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: I had this sort of a sort of reverse snobbery. 389 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: And there was a bunch of great Australian bands around 390 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: the time, including you know, Mentals, the Vinyls, Yeah, you know, 391 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: inexcess to myself, who were filling stadium. 392 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 393 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: And so we thought, let's put a tour together and 394 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: just show the Australians how good Australian music is. And 395 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: you know what, it didn't. It didn't sort of change 396 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: the world, but it changed the perception in Australia of 397 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: how let people realize how good Australian bands were. Because 398 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: it was a lot of good bands on the bill 399 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: and we had a fantastic time and. 400 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: To do that would have made some documentary. 401 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: It was great. And to do it, we thought it 402 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: would be great if we could record a song together 403 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: and you know, better band to pick an easy beat, 404 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: you know, And that song was a b side to 405 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: one of the easy Beats and the original, the original 406 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: Easy Easy Beats version had Steve Marriott singing harmonies. And 407 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: I'm a huge dealer. 408 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: He's got amazingly talented. 409 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: So I heard that, I heard my part there Steve 410 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: marrit I'll do that part because I used to listen 411 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: to Steve Marratt all the time, so it was like 412 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: perfect for that, and it was perfect to celebrate what 413 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: was going on. 414 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: Do you think now being a teenager get into a band, 415 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: do you think it's easier to try and make it 416 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: as a musician in a band now in the Internet age, 417 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: or do you think it's it's harder? 418 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: I don't. You know, in some ways it's easier because 419 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: you know, there the access to studios and stuff you 420 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: can do. Could record in your lound room quite easily, 421 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: you know. But but in a lot of ways it's 422 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: still you're still really got it. You have to put 423 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: your heart and your soul on the line there and 424 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: be prepared to have it kicked in, you know. I 425 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: mean it's easier people. I think one of the big 426 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: problems we have with with young young musicians at this time, 427 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people wanting fame, and and you know, 428 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: for me, I just I always it wasn't about fame. 429 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: It was about becoming a better singer. You know. You know, 430 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: too many people go out there and want all the 431 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: trappings and not really want what it's about. You know, 432 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: if you can get up, if you can get up 433 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: on stage and sing and connect with someone in an 434 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: audience and make someone forget their troubles or make someone 435 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: feel you know, then you know your band, your band's 436 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: a success. 437 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: You know. 438 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: I used to I used to think, you know, I'd 439 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: measure my success on what everybody else thought of me, 440 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: you know, And so so it was always external. And 441 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: if my records didn't go number one, I wouldn't I couldn't, 442 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't happy. But nowadays, if I make 443 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 3: a record, I want it and it touches people, then 444 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 3: it's a success. And that's that's why I think it's 445 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 3: easier to make records so and it's probably easier to 446 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 3: get them out to people, But in the long run, 447 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 3: it takes hard work and tell the. 448 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: Don't you think when you go and see a band 449 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: or an artists and there's a communal experience, you all 450 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: go as individuals. But then there's it when when it 451 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: works and there's a connection there, there is there's something 452 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 2: I've always thought gigs, there's something spiritual that happens. Oh. 453 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's like it's like a church. 454 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: You know, you go there and it's it's a bit 455 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: more wine. 456 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, not so many crackers events that's run, but you 457 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: know it is. But it's it is a spiritual experience 458 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: because it's it's about it's communion. You get there and 459 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: you you become one, and you move as one and 460 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: you think as one. And really, a good band, if 461 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: a good band can take you somewhere else, and you know, 462 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: you might be in a shitty room somewhere with corrogated 463 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: iron and sweat dripping off the roof, but they'll take you. 464 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: You feel like you're in the Bahamas. You know, A 465 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: good band takes you to places. A good band if 466 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: you go and see your vand and you can forget 467 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: your troubles for an hour and a half and not 468 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: think about them, then the band's working, you know. So 469 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 3: you know that's what that's what you're dropping. My job 470 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: for the last fifty years is to make everybody think 471 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: that every night, Saturday night, you know, And that's that's 472 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: a pretty good job. 473 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: Tell us this then, which I know Jack here is 474 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: trying to write a song moment, he's trying to write 475 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: his own an for Melbourne. It recently got beaten by Vienna, 476 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: which is if you've ever been to Vine. It's a 477 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 2: very nice place, but it's pretty boring. 478 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 479 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, people desperately get out of Vienna. Where's everyone loves 480 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: living here in Melbourne. I've traveled ten thousand miles to 481 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: come here, not to go to Vienna. So where tall 482 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: to write a song at the moment, an anthem for 483 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: Melbourne to rival Ultravoxes. This is a boring old song. 484 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: I just expect to mid yall, what do you think 485 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: are the key ingredients in an anthem? 486 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: Jimmy, Ah, Well, really, if I knew that, I'd be 487 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: writing them every day. You know, I've been a part 488 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: of a few. I mean, I think it's going to 489 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: going to be a chorus at lives your Spirits. It's 490 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: going to be a chorus. 491 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: Are you writing this down? 492 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: There's going to be a chorus that lives spirits. You know, 493 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: maybe it lifts musically, if it lifts up in tone 494 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 3: and key, you know, it's always great. You know when 495 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: the chorus comes and you feel like, you know, throwing 496 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: your body, you know, your beer in the ear. It's 497 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: a good thing, you know. And and really the truth 498 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 3: is that if you attractifyed a song about a place 499 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 3: like Melbourne, it's got so much growing for it. You 500 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: just got to ask a few people a few lanes 501 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: and they'll and they'll, you know, they'll plump. There's a 502 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: lot of great things to write about this town, you know, 503 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: which it's more about the people. 504 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: Do you think it's worth going and getting a Sometimes 505 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: he's used to singing a choir? What about kids? Quiet 506 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: in a rock song? Is that too much? Kids? Kids? 507 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: Quite? But what worked in the living years? Pretty yes, 508 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: pretty good kids. Crent is always good. I use them 509 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: on a couple of things. Yeah, you know, and it 510 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: helps if you get fun and sing it. 511 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking I'm hoping that we'll get another singer 512 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 4: for it, because I give myself a C plus C 513 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: plus pretty good. 514 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: You know what, though, if you tell the story and 515 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: it's your story, then you're the best singer in the job. 516 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: You're the best one for the job. 517 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 4: So all right, I thought I was telling Melbourne's story. 518 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: Well I won't see it, but yeah, well then you 519 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: can get some Melbourne singers. 520 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: You talk about the listeners have been suggesting lyrics and 521 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 2: Jack and I then you've got one there which has 522 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: come from one and there's this lyric here. It's very raw. 523 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: It's from the heart. But this this came in on 524 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: this morning show. 525 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: I want from Anthony, the listener of the show. 526 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: He works in a car yard. You know, he's sounds 527 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: like a Bruce Brings saying song to me. Honestly works 528 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: in a car yard and his channel. 529 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, well you know, listen, how would you deliver 530 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: a line like that? How would you do? You do you? 531 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: Is it a guttural scream? What is it? Jimmy? 532 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: We are, we are, You're gonna have a bit? We 533 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: are there will not move, you know, And it's good 534 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: if you can just stop. 535 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: And what an amazing energy that was. 536 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: It's like a lightning bulb coming out of you, then 537 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: that's good. 538 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: If you can distort the mic helps you. 539 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: It's like, could you give us a warning next time? 540 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: It's incredible, it was amazing. 541 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: You just got and make sure someone sings it with gusto? 542 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: Do you not wreck your voice when you do that? 543 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: If I did that, you I wanted to speak for 544 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: us of the year. 545 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: I see I've got there's a trick. I don't know 546 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: how I've taught myself this. And the guy, this doctor 547 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: who did all these operations on singers on Elton John 548 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: and he put a camera down my throat one and 549 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 3: he worked out that when I sing, I don't use 550 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: my main vocal cords, I use my secondary chords, and 551 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: the secondary chords don't get nodules or nodes or so 552 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: I talked, did you know any of this? 553 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: Were you try? 554 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: No? I know. 555 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: I was just using bad bad pa and singing over 556 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: a loud bain. I taught myself to do it. And 557 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 3: that means, you know, I get up some days and 558 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 3: I can't speak, but I can still sing really yep, 559 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: and I very rarely lose my voice and I never 560 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: get nodules. Because when I first started singing, I remember that, 561 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 3: you know, all the all the reviews that we get 562 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 3: as a band would say this thing is going to be, 563 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: you know, without a voice in six months. Hello, forty 564 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: five years. 565 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: Later, that's incredible. 566 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 4: Have you ever met another singer who does the same thing? 567 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 3: No, I haven't, But there was a there's there's a 568 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: teacher who came out from from America. I think, I think, 569 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: I hate say it, but I think she taught axel 570 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: rose and stuff, and she said that she's only met 571 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 3: half a dozen people. She heard me warm when upset ah, 572 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: you use your false chords and said, how did you 573 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 3: know that? 574 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: She could just hear it? 575 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: She could tell it, And what is your warm up? 576 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: Then what do you actually do backstage? 577 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: You might going to no, no no, And I did that. 578 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: I did that for about an hour. Carl a lot. 579 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: I want that to be my car A lot there 580 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: is that. 581 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: There's a lamb clock I've got, But I just do it, 582 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: and I'll change the pitch lightly up every time I 583 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 3: do it, and it just and it just starts going. 584 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: It's like a mac truck. Once you get it going, 585 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: you can It's insane. It's incredible. 586 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 4: I think if the band before you is playing and 587 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 4: you're warming up backstage, you'll drown out the band. 588 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: A couple of bands I have, and a couple of 589 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: times I freaked people. I remember once I was doing 590 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: like the State of Origin and I was in the 591 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: tunnel ready to go out. What a gig, and I 592 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: thought I better warm up. I got a warm and 593 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: I started screaming, and one of these old guys and 594 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: the white coats and the hat came out and keep 595 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: it down there, scaring the rugby players. Keep it down, 596 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: young fella, Well. 597 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: Listen Jimmy, it's been a joy to meet you and 598 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: a real joy to chat to you as well. And 599 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: I wish you are the best with the documentary because uh, 600 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: not only for yourself and spreading your store and what 601 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: you've been through and what you can share with us all, 602 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: but also I think it's right now what men need 603 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: and women as well, all of us. But what an 604 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: amazing thing for you to be in this position now 605 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: to speak openly about those serious and life changing things. 606 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: Well, I'm very lucky to get the chance. I'm really 607 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: lucky to be here, made it through it, So I 608 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: figure I've got through for a reason, I might as 609 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: well sort of share it. It's going to help me, 610 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 3: it's going to help other people. 611 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Jimmy, thank you very much for a chatting to us. 612 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: My pleasure. 613 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: The Christian O'Connell Breakfast Show, Melbourne's Gold one oh four 614 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: point three