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Speaker 1: This is the Happy Families Podcast. In about a month

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Speaker 1: from today, there's going to be a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: new legislation enacted, which means that social media will not

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Speaker 1: be able to be accessed by children under the age

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Speaker 1: of sixteen. Minimum age legislation is just one month away

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Speaker 1: and today on the podcast, we answer the questions that

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Speaker 1: I've been asked by media more than any other questions

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Speaker 1: over the last month or two. How do you help

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Speaker 1: your kids to prepare for the social media minimum age legislation.

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Speaker 1: Were the first country in the world to do it.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows what's going on. How are we supposed to

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Speaker 1: grapple with this and get through it? That and more

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Speaker 1: coming up next on The Happy Family's podcast. Gooday, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Happy Families podcast, where you get real parenting

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Speaker 1: solutions every single day. This is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are Justin and Kylie Colson. Kylie, We're in this

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Speaker 1: weird situation where as much as we've got a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of kids spread across a whole lot of years,

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Speaker 1: we actually only have one child affected by the social

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Speaker 1: media minimum age legislation.

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Speaker 2: I feel like one child's enough.

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Speaker 1: It's our fifteen year old, and she is in one word,

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Speaker 1: now this is two words, not happy. I'm so sorry, Lily,

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Speaker 1: but I'm really glad that the minimum age legislation is

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Speaker 1: coming in. Unfortunately, she turned sixteen next year, which means

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Speaker 1: that it's not going to be lasting long enough for her.

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Speaker 1: But one of my greatest parenting regrets is the decision

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Speaker 1: that we made to allow her access to a device

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Speaker 1: screen social media at too young in age. Thank goodness

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Speaker 1: the government's doing this, is all I can say, Kylie.

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Speaker 1: I've been asked again and again and again over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of months to help parents to know, in

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Speaker 1: various media conversations how to prep and you're not. My

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Speaker 1: general response has been, don't worry, don't worry. Yeah, it'll

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Speaker 2: Like once they don't have access, they don't have access.

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Speaker 1: Not everything has to be a new story. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it more, especially based on some

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Speaker 1: conversations I've had with some young people, and I do

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Speaker 1: think that we do we'll all benefit from a quick

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Speaker 1: chat about it. So to kick off and before we

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Speaker 1: talk about the five things that I've outlined that we

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Speaker 1: occur smoothly. I just want to read something to you.

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Speaker 1: This is from a recently published July twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: published article in Pediatric Research. I'm going to sneak some

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Speaker 1: doctor's desk content into today. Please forgive me. But the

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Speaker 1: abstract basically says smartphone use among young people is framed

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Speaker 1: as a post pandemic concern, with increased screen time and

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Speaker 1: online distractions attributed to lockdown induced dependency. However, this narrative

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Speaker 1: overlooks the trajectory of digital policy and education, where education

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Speaker 1: departments globally we're encouraging the integration of student owned devices

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Speaker 1: into classrooms before the pandemic. Really important point, right, we

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Speaker 1: were already headed down this road. COVID might have amplified it,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Kevin Ruden's education revolution, which happened in two

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Speaker 1: us to see even more why this matters. Okay, back

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Speaker 1: to the abstract last thing, and this is the key

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Speaker 1: a growing number of governments have introduced restrictive policies to

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Speaker 1: And they're saying this one size fit approach may inadvertently

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Speaker 1: While regulatory effort may form part of a broader digital

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Speaker 1: policy toolkit, bands alone are insufficient. They do little to

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Speaker 1: A more effective response must be holistic, combining regulation with education,

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Speaker 1: because they're right. As much as I support what Julian

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Speaker 1: And that's the real crux of what's driving my five

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Speaker 1: then this social media minimum age legislation simply moves the

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Speaker 2: At a surface level. For a majority of families, having

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Speaker 2: social media access to our children has alleviated a huge

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Speaker 2: amount of the social navigation that would normally be mum

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Speaker 2: let's organize a you know, kind of payday. Kids have

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Speaker 2: that in doing that, it's also taken us as the

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Speaker 1: We no longer parents are disconnected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're totally disconnected from our kids and their friends

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what we need to do. That's one of

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Speaker 1: to read this line one more time. Regulatory efforts may

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Speaker 1: and autonomy. So that's what our five tips to prepare

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Speaker 1: those next. Stay with us. Welcome back to the Happy

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Speaker 1: Families podcast. If you like what you're hearing on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: your friends, your neighbors, you loved ones, because it will

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Speaker 1: help make their families happier as well. Kylie, let's kick

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Speaker 1: for the December ten minimum Social Media minimum age legislation.

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Speaker 2: So if you haven't done it already, you really need

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Speaker 2: to start having conversations about what this is going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course, every time we've tried to have a

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Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't develop a plan together on how we

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Speaker 1: So much better. Our kids have got to learn how

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Speaker 1: to fade this out gradually. Now I've put this into

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Speaker 1: media interviews that I've done. But Kylie, honestly, I don't

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Speaker 1: who are saying, oh, your social media can be addictive.

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Speaker 1: You need to gradually reduce your children's time on social

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Speaker 2: Well, even if it's not a fade out. I think

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Speaker 1: minimum age legislation that's about to kick off here in oz. Hope.

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