WEBVTT - Can the Secret Service keep Trump safe?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily OS. It is Tuesday, the seventeenth of September.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Billy, I'm Zara.

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<v Speaker 1>On Sunday, there appeared to be another assassination attempt on

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<v Speaker 1>former US President Donald Trump, who is also the current

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<v Speaker 1>Republican candidate for the US election in November. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the second time in about two months that a gunman

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<v Speaker 1>had been in shooting distance of the former president. Now

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<v Speaker 1>questions about how this could happen to a man who

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<v Speaker 1>is constantly surrounded by security are intensifying. Well explain how

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<v Speaker 1>it unfolded in today's deep dive. But before we get there, Zara,

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<v Speaker 1>what is making headlines today?

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<v Speaker 2>Murder charges against a New South Wales couple have been

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<v Speaker 2>dropped after they were found not guilt in a high

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<v Speaker 2>profile case. Nineteen year old Amber Haigu, who lived with

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<v Speaker 2>an intellectual impairment, went missing in two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 2>She lived with Robert and Anne Geeves. The married couple

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<v Speaker 2>were accused of killing haig to take her five month

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<v Speaker 2>old baby after an alleged unofficial surrogacy agreement. Robert Gieves

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<v Speaker 2>is the child's father. The gieves were charged with Haig's

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<v Speaker 2>murder in twenty twenty two, but have now been cleared

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<v Speaker 2>of any wrongdoing. A new South Wales Supreme Court judge

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<v Speaker 2>described Haig as quote vulnerable and said the couple's motive

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<v Speaker 2>to murder her could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>An investigation into the conduct of one of Australia's biggest unions,

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<v Speaker 1>the CFMEU, has found continued links to bicky gangs and

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<v Speaker 1>criminal activity. The embattled construction union was placed into administration

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<v Speaker 1>after nine newspapers alleged it had been infiltrated by organized

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<v Speaker 1>crime groups. A preliminary investigation has pointed to quote a

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<v Speaker 1>cycle of lawlessness within the union. The report said CFMEU

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<v Speaker 1>operations were being influenced by Biki gangs and parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the union were vulnerable to corruption. It is recommended the

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<v Speaker 1>CFMEU work with police to handle the alleged criminal activity.

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<v Speaker 2>At least eight people have drowned and at least two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty thousand homes are without power in Central

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<v Speaker 2>Europe due to intense flooding. A storm system called Boris

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<v Speaker 2>brought torrential downpours to Chechia, Romania, Poland and Austria, where

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<v Speaker 2>the body of a firefighter has been recovered. The European

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<v Speaker 2>Union Commission chief shared her quote heartfelt solidarity with all

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<v Speaker 2>affected by the devastating floods on x. The EU stands

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<v Speaker 2>ready to support, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>And today's good news. Australian actor Elizabeth Dipicki has won

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<v Speaker 1>an Emmy for her role as Princess Diana in the

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix series The Crown. This is the Ossy actress's second

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<v Speaker 1>nomination for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's her first time winning an Emmy for the role.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also the first time an Australian actress has won

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<v Speaker 1>an Emmy in this category. Debickie called the role of

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<v Speaker 1>Diana a great privilege. This year, The Crown received eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>Emmy nominations and won three, including Debickie's win. Chogun also

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<v Speaker 1>made history with a record eighteen Emmy wins at this

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<v Speaker 1>year's ceremony.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Billy, What's absolutely crazy about this is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is the second time in a matter of months

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<v Speaker 2>that we have dedicated a podcast to talking about an

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<v Speaker 2>attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Completely wild It's been precedented

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<v Speaker 2>completely and I think it raises a whole host of

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<v Speaker 2>questions and we're going to get to those in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>For anyone that needs to catch up on the news

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<v Speaker 2>from yesterday, What do we know about the assassination attempt?

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<v Speaker 1>So this all happened at Trump's golf course that he

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<v Speaker 1>owns in West Palm Beach in the US state of Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on Sunday in the US. It was Monday

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<v Speaker 1>morning in Australia, and so Trump was playing golf there

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<v Speaker 1>and like he always is, he was under the protection

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<v Speaker 1>of the Secret Service. Now they had an agent who

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<v Speaker 1>was one hole ahead of him whilst he was playing golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was that agent ahead who spotted a gun

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<v Speaker 1>in the bushes. Here's what authority said about how it

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<v Speaker 1>started to unfold in the press conference after it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>He was able to spot this rifle barrel, stick it

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<v Speaker 3>out of the fence and immediately engage that individual, at

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<v Speaker 3>which time the individual took off.

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<v Speaker 1>They also said that the person was only about three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred to four hundred and fifty meters away from Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>so very much within shooting distance. But they think that

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<v Speaker 1>they were waiting for Trump to just get a bit closer. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard in that audio that we just played that

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<v Speaker 1>they said the suspected tudor was immediately engaged. What we

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<v Speaker 1>know is that that was from the Secret Service. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you hear, the person got away in a vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>so they weren't injured by those gunshots. When Secret Service

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<v Speaker 1>got to where this man was in the bush, they

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<v Speaker 1>found a few things.

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<v Speaker 3>In the bushes where this guy w Else is an

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<v Speaker 3>eight K forty seven style rifle with a scope, two

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<v Speaker 3>backpacks which were hung on the fist that had a

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<v Speaker 3>ceramic tile at them, and a GoPro which he was

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<v Speaker 3>going to take pictures of.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think authorities could deduce with some level of

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<v Speaker 1>confidence what this person's intentions, at least seemed to be. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as the person jumped into the car to escape, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a witness who saw him and took a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of the car, which they were then able to send

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<v Speaker 1>out to local police, and that worked in. Local police

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<v Speaker 1>then pulled him over on a highway. Speaking straight after

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<v Speaker 1>the incident, the FBI didn't formally identify the alleged shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>However, over the following hours, anonymous officials told News outlet

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<v Speaker 1>ap that the suspect's name is Ryan Wesley Routh. No

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<v Speaker 1>doubt we will hear more about him in the days

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<v Speaker 1>to come and exactly what his intentions and motivations were.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we do know is that Trump escaped the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing un injured and is safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so much that I want to unpack there,

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<v Speaker 2>like the fact that the alleged shooter was able to

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<v Speaker 2>leave and to get away and only then was pulled

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<v Speaker 2>over is absolutely mind blowing to me. But I know

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to get there in a second. So

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<v Speaker 2>just quickly, how did Trump respond? Because he came out

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<v Speaker 2>with such a show of strength, and you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>really spoke a lot about that first assassination attempt. What

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<v Speaker 2>did we hear after this second one?

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<v Speaker 1>So quite quickly after, he sent out an email to

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<v Speaker 1>his fundraising list. I'll read out part of it. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted you to hear this first. I am safe

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<v Speaker 1>and well nothing will slow me down. I will never surrender.

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<v Speaker 1>And he added, unity, peace, make America great again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the question I keep seeing online, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that keeps coming up in my mind is

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<v Speaker 2>how is it possible that people with guns keep getting

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<v Speaker 2>within such close proximity a former president Trump, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it is just absolutely mind blowing. So that in those

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<v Speaker 2>same conversations we often talk about the Secret Service, and

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<v Speaker 2>here in Australia we don't have a secret service. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you just explain a bit about the US Secret Service?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the Secret Service is a law enforcement agency

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<v Speaker 1>in the US and their main mission is to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the president and also the vice president and then also

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<v Speaker 1>those close to them, and it also includes former presidents

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<v Speaker 1>and their families. And so those who are former presidents

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<v Speaker 1>receive security detail for life. So that's why Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's part of the reason why he has so

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<v Speaker 1>much security because he is a former president. And so

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<v Speaker 1>this extends again to all former presidents. You know, Barack Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, has security surrounding him twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's one of the interesting peculiarities of

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<v Speaker 2>this election is that we now have both the vice

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<v Speaker 2>president and the former president.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Because of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's position as former president and because of Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's position as vice president, they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>security surrounding them all the time. And just to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a bit of context. In Australia, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have officially Secret Service, but we have something similar

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<v Speaker 1>called the Close Personal Protection and they also follow the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister everywhere they go. They also scope out locations

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<v Speaker 1>before the Prime Minister gets anywhere. Even Zara, when we've

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<v Speaker 1>had Anthony Albanesi come to the daily Os, his security

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<v Speaker 1>have come to the locations prior, look to see if

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<v Speaker 1>there are any security risks and then once they've done

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed the Prime Minister to come through.

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<v Speaker 2>So that advancing is done for any high level I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>advancing is done for anyone in political office, but from

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<v Speaker 2>a security sense, especially here for the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's out of recognition that people in these

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<v Speaker 1>positions have a higher level of threat surrounding them because

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<v Speaker 1>of their position. Now that's in Australia. The Secret Service

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<v Speaker 1>in the US is a lot more intense, I think

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of reasons, one of them being that

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<v Speaker 1>guns are obviously legal in the US, so they have

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<v Speaker 1>to be more careful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we know that both here and in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>there is this thing that happens where a security detail

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<v Speaker 2>scopes out and them is at an event or wherever

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<v Speaker 2>the leader is to protect them. We've already seen one

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<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life. Has his security detail

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<v Speaker 2>increased since that attempt? Because I think that's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get over is that it happened once, but

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<v Speaker 2>now it's happened again. Did anything give during that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So just a quick reminder, on the thirteenth of July,

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<v Speaker 1>So just over two months ago, the former president Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was injured by a gunshot while he was holding

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<v Speaker 1>a rally in Pennsylvania. Now, the gunman was shot and

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<v Speaker 1>he was killed by the Secret Service at that time. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what we found out after that was that his security

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<v Speaker 1>had actually just been increased in the weeks prior to

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<v Speaker 1>that first assassination attempt because US authorities had learned of

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<v Speaker 1>an Iranian plot to kill him, which I think just

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<v Speaker 1>really paints a picture of the level of direct surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>this matter. In the press conference yesterday, authorities touched on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't provide too much more detail.

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<v Speaker 3>The threat level is high. We have increased the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of assets that we've supported, so we are we live

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<v Speaker 3>in danger times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so few details there. One thing we do know

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<v Speaker 1>that has changed is that he now only does outdoor

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<v Speaker 1>campaign rallies if he is behind bulletproof glass, but saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he really does all of them inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's so interesting because I imagine that if you

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<v Speaker 2>were in the Secret Service, you know, going to a

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<v Speaker 2>rally or having these huge public you know, mass demonstrations

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<v Speaker 2>would be a really difficult thing to have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>But this second attempt was almost in private. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>at one of those huge events, And so I wonder how,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, different these two scenarios are, and how that

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<v Speaker 2>would impact what goes on behind closed doors. But if

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<v Speaker 2>we're to go back to that first, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>there was quite a bit of discourse afterwards about should

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service have done more? Did they fail? Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the name secret that we might not know

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<v Speaker 2>a whole heat, But do we know anything about if

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<v Speaker 2>there was a failure or if it was something that

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't be avoided.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, investigations are still ongoing, but there has been some

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledgment of shortcomings and there's been a direct consequence of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So shortly after the July shooting, the director of the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service, Kimberly Cheedle, resigned and at the time, she

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<v Speaker 1>said the Secret Service fell short of its mission quote

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<v Speaker 1>to protect our nation's leaders, and she called it the

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<v Speaker 1>agency's most significant operational failure in decades, and she took

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<v Speaker 1>full responsibility for what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Very strong words there, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Strong, and again she stepped aside because of it. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what actually went wrong, Cheedle didn't really get

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<v Speaker 1>into the specifics of that. She peered before a committee,

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<v Speaker 1>but said she might not be able to answer every

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<v Speaker 1>question because there were so many investigations ongoing and she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to get in the way of those investigations. So,

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<v Speaker 1>whilst those investigations haven't been made public yet, just a

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<v Speaker 1>few days ago, the Washington Post quoted anonymous sources talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what the findings were. So, according to the Post quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation found that agents from Secret Service headquarters and

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<v Speaker 1>the Pittsburgh Field Office had an alarmingly slipshot, which means

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<v Speaker 1>careless strategy to block a potential shooter. The Post went

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<v Speaker 1>on to say that there were also communications breakdowns that

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<v Speaker 1>allowed the assassination attempt to happen, things like local polices

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<v Speaker 1>alert of a suspicious man at the rally not being

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast widely on Secret Service radio and agents in the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service radio room not being able to access real

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<v Speaker 1>time alerts. So again, a number of different shortcomings that

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<v Speaker 1>have been identified. I'll also add again that this is

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<v Speaker 1>just going on anonymous sources, so we will have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait and see if the investigation is released publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again I think that there's a lot that

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<v Speaker 2>will be happening behind closed doors. You know, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is not the only person that the Secret Service has

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<v Speaker 2>to protect, and I imagine they wouldn't want to jeopardize

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<v Speaker 2>the safety of anyone else, you know, if there are

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<v Speaker 2>shortcomings or there are failings, if you were someone else

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<v Speaker 2>who had Secret Service protection, I'm not sure how good

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<v Speaker 2>you'd feel reading all of these things. Speaking of other

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<v Speaker 2>people who have Secret Service detail, does Donald Trump have

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<v Speaker 2>less security than someone like Joe Biden, who is the

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<v Speaker 2>sitting president currently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was talked about in the press conference yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that because Trump is not the current sitting president,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have as much security as Biden does. So

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<v Speaker 1>even though there could be an assessment that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>based on what we've seen in the past two months

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<v Speaker 1>and knowing that he probably is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>polarizing figures in the world. That doesn't, based on what

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<v Speaker 1>I could understand from the press conference, mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>gets more security detail, or even mean that he gets

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<v Speaker 1>the same amount of security detail as the current sitting president.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's some of what was said at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Level that he is at right now. He's not the

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<v Speaker 3>city president. If he was, we would have had this

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<v Speaker 3>lower golf course around it. Well, because he's not, the

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<v Speaker 3>security is limited to the areas that the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 3>deems possible. So I would imagine that the next time

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<v Speaker 3>becomes at a golf course, there'll probably be a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more people around the perimeter. But the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 3>did exactly what they should have.

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<v Speaker 1>Done, So it's absolutely true that if he was the

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<v Speaker 1>sitting president, there would have been more security surrounding him.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the question now is, because we know of

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<v Speaker 1>these threats on his life, will they increase the security

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<v Speaker 1>detail to mean that he has as much security as

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<v Speaker 1>a current president.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a push for that to happen, Like, are

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<v Speaker 2>there people who want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is a push for it to happen, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was also a push for it to happen last time.

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<v Speaker 1>So whether or not there will be more security is

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<v Speaker 1>still a question that is up in the air. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing to note is that this push is coming from

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<v Speaker 1>both so it's coming from Republicans and Democrats. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>something you know. I think that so much of what

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<v Speaker 1>we see in the US is that everything feels politicized,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything feels like a political attack. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those rare cases where it doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's being politicized, if that makes sense. So Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden released a statement yesterday saying that he has directed

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<v Speaker 1>his team to quote ensure that Secret Service has every resource,

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<v Speaker 1>capability and protective measure necessary to ensure the former president's

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<v Speaker 1>continued safety. So we'll see what happens. We are less

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<v Speaker 1>than two months out from the election. Now it's clear

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<v Speaker 1>they think that there is a high level of threat

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<v Speaker 1>around Trump. I think the word unprecedented almost feels overused

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<v Speaker 1>after the past few years that we've had for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of different reasons, and especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the political landscape that we are operating in. But I

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<v Speaker 1>really think that there's no other word to describe two

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<v Speaker 1>apparent assassination attempts in two months on a political candidate

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to the US election. It just is unprecedented,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And the US right now is just fascinating. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's scary, it's full of threats, and I mean there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much at stake here, so we'll definitely be keeping

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on it.

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