WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.600 TV Reload the podcast last week that by Hey guys, 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.600 welcome back to TV Reload, Thank you for clicking and downloading. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.959 On today's episode with Kelly, the tenth eliminated contestant from 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.239 this year's Australian Survivor on Network ten, I will be 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.759 talking about her time in Samoa and of course what 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.520 she thinks now that the smoke has well and truly 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.040 been snuffed out on her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.439 Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against the 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.240 underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with each 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.640 player competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.640 Kelly's a psychologist from Queensland. Some may say kel was 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.279 chaotic and abrasive, but no matter what you think of 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.199 her and her time in Samoa, Kelly's presence acted as 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.360 an unpredictable variable that challenged her tribe MAT's game in 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.680 a way that most self confessed strategic players could never 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.280 have achieved. In an impressive fashion, Kirby managed to rank 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.880 Kelly into her alliance, but when Kelly got wind of 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.240 a decision to stack the votes on her mate Raymond, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.800 Kelly checked her moral compass and refused to toe the line. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.440 Kelly's game quickly unraveled as she relinquished her alliance to 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.520 Kirby to protect ray but then was swiftly voted out 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.640 by everyone on the Titans tribe. Yes, that's right, the 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.320 entire Titans tribe all seemed to lay down their swords 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.800 for one time only and unite in a unanimous vote. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.200 Kelly will join me and share what she thinks of 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.640 her game, watching herself back, and if withholding the information 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.559 that she was a paid psychologist was the right idea 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.840 after all. We will talk about Kelly's decision to save 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.759 Raymond and blowing up her game now that she knows 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.880 that he voted for her to leave in her final 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.960 tribal council. I get Kelly's professional opinion on Alex and 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.480 find out why they clash so much during her time 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.640 with him on different tribes. Plus, we will find out 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.440 why her family is now refusing to follow her on 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.360 social media, and how a tsunami threatened to stop the 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.800 production of this series. There's actually so much to unpack, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.480 as you can imagine with kel and she's really fun 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.000 to talk to. So sit back and relax as we 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.200 dive just that little bit deeper into the world of 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:05.160 Australian survivor. Well, you look great, fabulous. I would say 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.720 that you are the most highly anticipated guests that I've 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.400 had this year, with so many people overnight texting me 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.240 and messaging me and giving me questions to ask you. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.320 How does it feel to be out the other side 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.359 of this experience? 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.959 Oh my gosh, I've had no sleep. Can you tell 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.480 I've had no sleep at all? See, that's what happens 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.200 to me on no sleep, hyperactive on no sleep. That's 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.720 what happened on the island. Maybe it kind of sat 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.239 and it's like this massive ride for the last six 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.680 or seven months, and now it's like, oh, is that 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:34.280 going to end? 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.000 I don't think it's going to end. But I want 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.440 to say something I've never said to anyone before, but 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.880 thank you. You know, I've really enjoyed watching you on 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:43.840 this show. I don't know if that's a strange thing 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.399 to say, but I just want to say thank you. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.800 Well, that's nice of you. Most people think I'm an idiot, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:48.919 so that's nice. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.840 You made such great television. I mean, you were unpredictable 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.760 and usual, refreshingly true to yourself. I don't know if 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.280 that helped your game, but it's certainly made for great television. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.640 I just knew that I was coming under this game 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:03.560 to have a lot of fun. I did it in 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.640 memory of my mum, who died at the same age 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.600 as I am, same age as I am now, and 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.760 I wanted my kids to be as embarrassed as hell. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.560 Did you manage to do that? One? Are they embarrassed? 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.520 They are mortified. They don't even want to follow me 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:15.280 on socials. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:16.959 Love it? I just love it. I mean one of 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.120 the interesting things about reality television is seeing yourself back, 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.840 and so you do get to watch yourself back instead 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.280 of critique yourself. I mean, sure, it is a heightened 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.320 version of who we are, and there's a bit of 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.600 an edit there. But what did you learn about yourself 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.679 from watching this show back? What was the take home 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:33.960 for you? 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.800 I learned that I do a lot of weirdly funny 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.640 or intense one liners. Okay, yes, I learned that I 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.520 did a lot of funny one liners, which I know 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.640 I like to do funny stuff, but I did a 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.360 lot of one liners. I don't know. I just looked. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.480 I probably didn't learn a lot because I know myself 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.680 very well. I am exceptionally introspective, so I just knew 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.320 that I was out there to have fun. So and 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:55.280 which is what I did. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.120 I mean, you did highlight a fundamental conundrum in the 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.080 Game of Australia and Survivor, and that is exploring the 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.240 duality of being a good person and true to yourself 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.360 or being a good player and needing to be ruthless. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.280 Yes, well, I have a conundrum because I'm a psychologist. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.160 So I have been a psychologist for more than half 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:20.120 my life, and it's always about looking after people and 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.839 helping people. So that's pretty hard to shift that all 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.520 value and belief that you've held for actually more than 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.720 more than my whole life, because my dad and mum 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.560 would like that. So it's very hard to shift that ideology. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.039 And you know what kind of didn't want to. I 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.440 met Ray and I just thought you were kind to me. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.440 And people don't realize how kind he was to me. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.680 Early on in the game, when I was freezing cold, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.640 he gave me his Game of Girlfriend shirt, and that 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.279 actually means a lot on an island when you have 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.599 nothing at all. So I wanted to do that, and 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.960 I wanted to play a game that was different and interesting. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.320 I'm sorry, but I didn't want to be boring and 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.800 mainstream and exactly what everyone else does, because like everyone 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.120 else can do that in their way, I wanted to 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.520 be completely different. And if it meant that I didn't 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.840 get to merge and didn't win five hundred thousand dollars, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.039 well that was the risk I took. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.640 I mean, this is the question I have for you 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.280 at this point, what do you think about holding back 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.320 that you were a psychologist? Because I often thought that 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.320 you might have been able to use that card to 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:18.320 your advantage. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.320 People have all said that to me post realizing that 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.120 I'm a psychologist, even my own players. But I have 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.160 been a psychologist for all these years, every day, day in, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.760 day out, and I wanted to go onto the game 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.159 free of any stereotypes and any perception of what it 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.120 means to be kel So I wanted to play a 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.600 different character. So I knew at some point I was 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.560 going to tell them I was a psychologist. I was 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.800 just choosing my time that was going to be most 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.279 strategic for me. And in the early part of the game. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.040 That wasn't the time for me. So I didn't get 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.599 to merge because I took the knife, but I would 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.760 have probably told them at some point when it was 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.880 very an opportunistic time to do so, So I don't 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.600 regret not doing that. I love my job as psychologists, 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.240 but I all so am many different characters in life, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.840 so I just wanted to play a different one. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:05.880 Well, they kind of wrote you off as a bit 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.040 of a crazy old lady, but I wondered whether or 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.200 not your tribeates, or your different tribes that you were 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.360 on at different times, they might have been a bit 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:17.000 more beguiled by you if you had told them your profession. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.000 Absolutely, you are correct, I'm not going to say you're not. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.120 I downplayed the silly Kelly who knew nothing. I'm a mushroom, 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.120 which is why I did the on the mushroom. I 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.320 downplayed that so well. My threat was so low that 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.479 I gained zero credibility. So maybe next time, if I 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.760 get to play this game again, I'll produce a completely 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.320 different character because I play lots of games at board games, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.080 and I am a different character in all of them, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.479 so I'll be a different character, and I will go 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.080 on as a psychologist and I'll be a completely different story. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.400 So yeah, I did downplay it so well. I think 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.119 that it disadvantaged me, but it kept me under the radar. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.800 I mean, it is a tactic. I want to know. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.479 If someone comes into your practice and has a conversation 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.359 with you about doing Survivor and they asked you about 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.320 who they should be on the show as a psychologist, 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.200 might you have said to just be yourself. Shouldn't we 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:08.840 always just be our truer self. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.120 So I obviously advocate for authenticity all the time. That's 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.000 what I teach people, that's my motto. But we all 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.040 wear these kind of masks. I'm trying to help people 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.240 take off their masks. But you know, everyone puts a 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.200 mask on every time they go to work, or you know, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.520 every time they go to a wedding or so I 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.160 just know people so well that I just know how 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.040 to act any sort of emotion, any type of personality trait. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.520 So I am authentically me in that I'm a happy, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.160 positive psychologist, and I show that to my clients every day. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.640 Every client gets the same positive psychology in me, so 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.000 that part of me is real and that's what you 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.080 saw on the game, that positive, happy person who wants 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.240 to just promote joy all the time. That was authentically me. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.920 Maybe it's good to explore some of the relationship that 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.840 you had because there was a lot of banter between 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.600 you and Alex. So what do you think was the 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.320 reason behind the unusual rivalry that seemed to developed there. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.160 Now, don't get me wrong, I have a soft spot 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.600 in my heart for Alex, and he's an interesting chap. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.880 But Alex is you know, a little bit arrogant, quite haughty, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.800 and you know, on the application form they said who 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.720 would you not want to be on an island with? 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.640 And I said, arrogant men, Well, not. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.760 The show for you, because we find that we find 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.280 that there's a lot of those type of blokes that 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.000 they'll want to come and do this show exactly. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.439 So they gave me. They gave me Alex, didn't they. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.640 So I was like, oh no, So I just decided 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.240 to spend my time putting Alex in his spot a 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.920 little bit. So that's where the band had probably begun. 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.280 What's your read on him though? Like is in you know, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.079 were you trying to hold a mirror up against his behavior? 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.520 Like were you using any psychological or I was any 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.000 of your work practices on him? 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.840 Yeah, I was. I was trying to get into have 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.480 some interest fiction, you know, that just didn't happen. I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.560 was trying to get a look at himself that you know, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.800 other people are important in this game. The other people 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.240 have a voice. It's not all about you, Alex. So 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.920 I was for a lot of this game trying to 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.720 use my psychology. I mean, obviously I'm analyzing every moment, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.959 every second of the game. So yes, I was analyzing Alex, 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.200 and I was thinking, please, Alex, I beg you just 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:18.959 to have a look at yourself and have some insight. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.280 But anyway, we have a great banter and a lot 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.959 of fun, and I like that side of him. And 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.640 Alex is a very driven man and I'm a very 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.120 driven woman. And maybe that's also why we clashed a 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.920 little bit, because we are both very driven in our 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:30.440 own right. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.320 Yeah. True. We have to talk about the fact that 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.640 your effort to save Raymond was obviously very admirable, and 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.320 you know, the viewers saw that. And I think you 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.680 know you did the right thing by being true to yourself, 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.599 by valuing a friend that you'd made but it ultimately 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:46.280 was your death wish too. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.400 Yeah, I know, but sometimes in life, like I said, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.520 you have to take you have to, you know, take 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.160 the sword. And you know, Raymond, like I said, was 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.600 a very special person for me in that he's a 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.440 bit quirky and he's a bit different. He doesn't have 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.480 much of a voice, and you can see that even 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.560 on the production that you know, he hasn't got much 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.000 of a voice happening there. And I'm all about empowering 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.080 people who are underdogs, empowering people to have their voice, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.360 and that's what I do every single day of my life. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.160 And I just saw Raymond and he was so kind 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.160 to me. And like I said to you before, people 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.760 do not understand how important it is those little tiny 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.600 things giving me your shirt. When I was freezing cold, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.719 pouring with rain, all I had was a beginning in 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.520 a red singer and that man hugged me in the 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.360 nighttime to keep me warm. Even though he doesn't do 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.120 physical touch, he did that for me. So that meant 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.200 a lot. And at that point in the game, I 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.840 knew that if I got that man to merge, it 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.240 would basically change his life. Being on Survivor for a 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.400 longer time, for the rest of his life. And I 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.839 really wanted to do that, and I really wanted Barris 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.000 and Eileen to see that we could take out a 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.040 bigger player. But they didn't see that. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.720 They didn't say that today. I mean, he was not 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:55.199 a threat. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:56.920 He was my shield. He was not a threat. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.640 Now that you know that Raymond voted for you, though, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.760 changed the way that you feel about your choice to 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.280 ultimately self evict to make a point that you liked 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.199 him not at all. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:08.960 I would have voted for myself too if I was 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.719 I would have voted for Raymond too, if I was 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.280 in his position winner with an er, remember, I mean 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.320 we had to put that in right, because you know winner. 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.240 So look, no, if I was, if I was in 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:20.839 his position, I would have done Is that the same thing? 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.240 Because he knew at that point that Merge was just 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.400 around the corner. I knew that Merge was just around 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.760 the corner, So of course he had to look look 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:32.400 like he was maintaining his alliance with Ferris Eileen. Why 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.040 would he do that. That would be stupid of him 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.240 to do that. So no, I don't I don't begrudge 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.400 Raymond at all. I think he made the right trus. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.959 It would also appear that Kirby was in this episode, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.040 was doing the right thing by you. You know, she 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.160 really did look like she was trying to help you, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.040 and you did have a sorry. You did have a 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.000 great relationship with her from what we could see. But 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.480 when you're looking back at her trying to explain how 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.160 survivor works at the time, it sort of looked like 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.079 you were a bit defensive about it. How do you 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.480 feel about it now? You kind of wish that you're 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:02.640 taking Kirby's advice. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.360 No, I know how survivor works. I'm not stupid. I 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.480 analyze people and details every day. I just chose to 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.880 disagree with her, and Kirby like me. We are again, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.480 very strong women because we are both mature. We've you know, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.559 got businesses. You know, she's lived a very big life, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.080 so have I. And you know, I absolutely respect that 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.800 person so much. She's a great friend and shall be 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.440 a friend for life. And I just decided at that 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.840 point that I didn't agree with her decision to vote 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.160 out such a small player, even though he was a 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.400 bit of a shield to Ferris. We were so close 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.200 to merge. Everything changes emerged like dynamics changed dramatically. So 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.480 I was just like, for this vote, let's all come together, 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.520 be original, rebel strong, and let's vote out Vale or winner. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.960 That's and we tried to do that. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.640 We tried to talk to her about that, and she 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.560 just had a different idea in her mind, which is 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.559 totally okay, that's her game play. But me and Eileen 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.400 and Ferris we had I just talked about that with 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.280 her end Scottie, but they wanted to do that because 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.280 they were scared for their own position in the game, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.160 and that's why they wanted to stay with the Titans. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.480 So did you have a game plan moving forward? If 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.200 you made it just that one more day and made 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.400 it into the merged, what was your gameplay moving forward? 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.400 So moving forward, I was going to still maintain my 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.480 alliance with Kirby and Scotty. I knew that Kirby was 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.680 going to move away from the og Titans because now 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.640 we were back with the Rebels. So I knew that 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.840 Kirby and me were going to move back stronger with 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.720 the Rebels, but because we are a very strong tribe. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.480 But I also knew that I had established those relationships 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.480 with Kitty and Caroline early on, like they weren't enough 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.640 a lot lot of time. But I had started that 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.960 and so I thought, well, I've got that there, and 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.559 I've got Kirby there, So I was going to continue 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.800 to do that. Me and Ray had an agreement that 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.160 if we got to merge, and we had an agreement 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.400 also with Kirby that basically, once you get to merge, 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.000 it's every person for themselves. So but we were going 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.560 to keep that strength of what we built in the 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.079 game on the low down. 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.440 Do you know what was interesting was Valeria seemed like 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.920 she was basically done with you, and it almost seemed 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.360 like she was cross with you. That's what I thought. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.480 What was her beef with you? Do you think that 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.480 there was more to her beef with you than what 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:16.880 we got to see as an audience. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.960 I think so. I think Valeria is used to running 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.640 a business, and she's used to be in control, and 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.040 she's used to having, you know, to make decisions and 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.920 things like that. And I came in and I probably 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.720 challenged that. And remember she thought I was an idiot 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.440 because I downplayed everything enough. She had no idea who 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:34.840 I was, she had no idea what was doing. She 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.640 surely just met me previously. She had no relationship with me, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.440 so you know, from her perspective, this girl has no 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.920 clue what she's talking about. So like, back off, girl. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.360 So I don't begrudge her that because I understand that 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.200 that's the way she saw me. But yeah, like I 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.360 think there was that she didn't understand that she wasn't 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.680 part of my alliance. I said to k she is 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.160 not my mob. That's not my mob. My mob was 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.560 you and the rebels. Because you know, I'm a rebel. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.720 That's it, It's deep in my heart. I'm born a rebel, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.840 in a dire rebel. So I told Kirby that on 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.360 the beach, and you don't get to see that. I 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.560 drew all the dynamics for Kirby on the beach. We 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.080 didn't see that in the edit. But I was saying 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.880 to Kirby, this is not my mob, babe, this is 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.920 not your mob. And she's like, Kelly just for murdered, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.080 and I'm like, I know, but please, let's not sell 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.359 our sould to the devil. Let's go original rebels. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.840 This episode sort of did have a bit of a 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.800 fork in the road when it came to people's making, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.600 people making decisions. What was your rationale when it came 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.320 to choosing to look for or to stay and have 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.360 the food and sit with the others overlooking for the idol. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.760 There's no way I was going to find an idol 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.920 against you know those boys, you know that would have 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.320 been pushing and shoven, and you know, I was like, 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.080 there's no way I'm going to find an idol. And 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.840 I just thought to myself, it's my son's birthday. He's 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.760 dating what what? Here's my birthday party? 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.920 It's a birthday, well my son. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.120 So basically that was a great motivation that I had, 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.160 and I was pretty hungry. I was losing quite a 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.560 bit away, as you could see, and I thought it 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.280 was a great viportunity to tell the other tribe that 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.880 pretty sure I'm going to be going home. Girls. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.240 So well, you did play very hard to win over Kitty. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.920 But the one thing I was curious about was your 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.320 take on this. I mean, you kind of gossiped about 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.240 everybody in a way to win over her affection. That 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.560 does not make that kind of makes me wonder what 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.280 she would think of you because of that, Mainly because 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.320 my mum always said to me, the way that you 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.800 talk about others is the way that you build trust 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.680 with new people. Did you worry about gossiping about all 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.000 the others and throwing them under the bus with someone 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.120 who you were trying to develop a relationship with. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.720 Look, I never gossiped or said anything negative about anyone 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.600 on the show, because that's not who I am. But 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.240 at that moment, I knew I was going. I knew 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.000 my back is against the wall and I was going. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.280 So I had a very short amount of time. I 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.080 was hoping to rely on the fact that me and 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.960 her had been winking at each other for the last 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.600 four weeks or more. Wink, wink, you know, not no smiling, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.320 and all those sort of non verbal gestures that I 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.880 was doing with her and Caroline, And when I got 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.360 to the tribe, we had lots of cuddles and so 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.600 the things. I was hoping that at that minute, because 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.439 we didn't have long the party wasn't exactly long, that 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.680 I could quickly tell them bang bang bang bang bang 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.439 bang bang. And yes, I didn't have time to develop 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.040 a rapport, which you normally have much more time to 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.560 do that, so I quickly just went bang bang bang bang. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.000 And I also wanted my alliance to see that I 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.000 was totally gone from them, and I wanted my new 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.120 alliance to see that I was totally with them. So 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.520 there was a strategy to get people to see that 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.120 I was like a complete severing. There was no if 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.359 some barts, I have severed my alliance with you, Kirby 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.359 and Scottie, I have severed it. And that's why I 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.639 did that, because it showed people that it was completely severed, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.440 and I thought Kitty would pick that up that if 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.240 I was completely changed my alliance that quickly, that they'd 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.439 pick up that I was doing that for a reason. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.920 So hopefully they did pick that up, but maybe they didn't. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.400