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Speaker 1: On today's episode with Kelly, the tenth eliminated contestant from
Speaker 1: this year's Australian Survivor on Network ten, I will be
Speaker 1: talking about her time in Samoa and of course what
Speaker 1: she thinks now that the smoke has well and truly
Speaker 1: been snuffed out on her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus
Speaker 1: Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against the
Speaker 1: underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with each
Speaker 1: player competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Kelly's a psychologist from Queensland. Some may say kel was
Speaker 1: chaotic and abrasive, but no matter what you think of
Speaker 1: her and her time in Samoa, Kelly's presence acted as
Speaker 1: an unpredictable variable that challenged her tribe MAT's game in
Speaker 1: a way that most self confessed strategic players could never
Speaker 1: have achieved. In an impressive fashion, Kirby managed to rank
Speaker 1: Kelly into her alliance, but when Kelly got wind of
Speaker 1: a decision to stack the votes on her mate Raymond,
Speaker 1: Kelly checked her moral compass and refused to toe the line.
Speaker 1: Kelly's game quickly unraveled as she relinquished her alliance to
Speaker 1: Kirby to protect ray but then was swiftly voted out
Speaker 1: by everyone on the Titans tribe. Yes, that's right, the
Speaker 1: entire Titans tribe all seemed to lay down their swords
Speaker 1: for one time only and unite in a unanimous vote.
Speaker 1: Kelly will join me and share what she thinks of
Speaker 1: her game, watching herself back, and if withholding the information
Speaker 1: that she was a paid psychologist was the right idea
Speaker 1: after all. We will talk about Kelly's decision to save
Speaker 1: Raymond and blowing up her game now that she knows
Speaker 1: that he voted for her to leave in her final
Speaker 1: tribal council. I get Kelly's professional opinion on Alex and
Speaker 1: find out why they clash so much during her time
Speaker 1: with him on different tribes. Plus, we will find out
Speaker 1: why her family is now refusing to follow her on
Speaker 1: social media, and how a tsunami threatened to stop the
Speaker 1: production of this series. There's actually so much to unpack,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine with kel and she's really fun
Speaker 1: to talk to. So sit back and relax as we
Speaker 1: dive just that little bit deeper into the world of
Speaker 1: Australian survivor. Well, you look great, fabulous. I would say
Speaker 1: that you are the most highly anticipated guests that I've
Speaker 1: had this year, with so many people overnight texting me
Speaker 1: and messaging me and giving me questions to ask you.
Speaker 1: How does it feel to be out the other side
Speaker 1: of this experience?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I've had no sleep. Can you tell
Speaker 2: I've had no sleep at all? See, that's what happens
Speaker 2: to me on no sleep, hyperactive on no sleep. That's
Speaker 2: what happened on the island. Maybe it kind of sat
Speaker 2: and it's like this massive ride for the last six
Speaker 2: or seven months, and now it's like, oh, is that
Speaker 2: going to end?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to end. But I want
Speaker 1: to say something I've never said to anyone before, but
Speaker 1: thank you. You know, I've really enjoyed watching you on
Speaker 1: this show. I don't know if that's a strange thing
Speaker 1: to say, but I just want to say thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's nice of you. Most people think I'm an idiot,
Speaker 2: so that's nice.
Speaker 1: You made such great television. I mean, you were unpredictable
Speaker 1: and usual, refreshingly true to yourself. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that helped your game, but it's certainly made for great television.
Speaker 2: I just knew that I was coming under this game
Speaker 2: to have a lot of fun. I did it in
Speaker 2: memory of my mum, who died at the same age
Speaker 2: as I am, same age as I am now, and
Speaker 2: I wanted my kids to be as embarrassed as hell.
Speaker 1: Did you manage to do that? One? Are they embarrassed?
Speaker 2: They are mortified. They don't even want to follow me
Speaker 2: on socials.
Speaker 1: Love it? I just love it. I mean one of
Speaker 1: the interesting things about reality television is seeing yourself back,
Speaker 1: and so you do get to watch yourself back instead
Speaker 1: of critique yourself. I mean, sure, it is a heightened
Speaker 1: version of who we are, and there's a bit of
Speaker 1: an edit there. But what did you learn about yourself
Speaker 1: from watching this show back? What was the take home
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: I learned that I do a lot of weirdly funny
Speaker 2: or intense one liners. Okay, yes, I learned that I
Speaker 2: did a lot of funny one liners, which I know
Speaker 2: I like to do funny stuff, but I did a
Speaker 2: lot of one liners. I don't know. I just looked.
Speaker 2: I probably didn't learn a lot because I know myself
Speaker 2: very well. I am exceptionally introspective, so I just knew
Speaker 2: that I was out there to have fun. So and
Speaker 2: which is what I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, you did highlight a fundamental conundrum in the
Speaker 1: Game of Australia and Survivor, and that is exploring the
Speaker 1: duality of being a good person and true to yourself
Speaker 1: or being a good player and needing to be ruthless.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I have a conundrum because I'm a psychologist.
Speaker 2: So I have been a psychologist for more than half
Speaker 2: my life, and it's always about looking after people and
Speaker 2: helping people. So that's pretty hard to shift that all
Speaker 2: value and belief that you've held for actually more than
Speaker 2: more than my whole life, because my dad and mum
Speaker 2: would like that. So it's very hard to shift that ideology.
Speaker 2: And you know what kind of didn't want to. I
Speaker 2: met Ray and I just thought you were kind to me.
Speaker 2: And people don't realize how kind he was to me.
Speaker 2: Early on in the game, when I was freezing cold,
Speaker 2: he gave me his Game of Girlfriend shirt, and that
Speaker 2: actually means a lot on an island when you have
Speaker 2: nothing at all. So I wanted to do that, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to play a game that was different and interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I didn't want to be boring and
Speaker 2: mainstream and exactly what everyone else does, because like everyone
Speaker 2: else can do that in their way, I wanted to
Speaker 2: be completely different. And if it meant that I didn't
Speaker 2: get to merge and didn't win five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: well that was the risk I took.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the question I have for you
Speaker 1: at this point, what do you think about holding back
Speaker 1: that you were a psychologist? Because I often thought that
Speaker 1: you might have been able to use that card to
Speaker 1: your advantage.
Speaker 2: People have all said that to me post realizing that
Speaker 2: I'm a psychologist, even my own players. But I have
Speaker 2: been a psychologist for all these years, every day, day in,
Speaker 2: day out, and I wanted to go onto the game
Speaker 2: free of any stereotypes and any perception of what it
Speaker 2: means to be kel So I wanted to play a
Speaker 2: different character. So I knew at some point I was
Speaker 2: going to tell them I was a psychologist. I was
Speaker 2: just choosing my time that was going to be most
Speaker 2: strategic for me. And in the early part of the game.
Speaker 2: That wasn't the time for me. So I didn't get
Speaker 2: to merge because I took the knife, but I would
Speaker 2: have probably told them at some point when it was
Speaker 2: very an opportunistic time to do so, So I don't
Speaker 2: regret not doing that. I love my job as psychologists,
Speaker 2: but I all so am many different characters in life,
Speaker 2: so I just wanted to play a different one.
Speaker 1: Well, they kind of wrote you off as a bit
Speaker 1: of a crazy old lady, but I wondered whether or
Speaker 1: not your tribeates, or your different tribes that you were
Speaker 1: on at different times, they might have been a bit
Speaker 1: more beguiled by you if you had told them your profession.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you are correct, I'm not going to say you're not.
Speaker 2: I downplayed the silly Kelly who knew nothing. I'm a mushroom,
Speaker 2: which is why I did the on the mushroom. I
Speaker 2: downplayed that so well. My threat was so low that
Speaker 2: I gained zero credibility. So maybe next time, if I
Speaker 2: get to play this game again, I'll produce a completely
Speaker 2: different character because I play lots of games at board games,
Speaker 2: and I am a different character in all of them,
Speaker 2: so I'll be a different character, and I will go
Speaker 2: on as a psychologist and I'll be a completely different story.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I did downplay it so well. I think
Speaker 2: that it disadvantaged me, but it kept me under the radar.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a tactic. I want to know.
Speaker 1: If someone comes into your practice and has a conversation
Speaker 1: with you about doing Survivor and they asked you about
Speaker 1: who they should be on the show as a psychologist,
Speaker 1: might you have said to just be yourself. Shouldn't we
Speaker 1: always just be our truer self.
Speaker 2: So I obviously advocate for authenticity all the time. That's
Speaker 2: what I teach people, that's my motto. But we all
Speaker 2: wear these kind of masks. I'm trying to help people
Speaker 2: take off their masks. But you know, everyone puts a
Speaker 2: mask on every time they go to work, or you know,
Speaker 2: every time they go to a wedding or so I
Speaker 2: just know people so well that I just know how
Speaker 2: to act any sort of emotion, any type of personality trait.
Speaker 2: So I am authentically me in that I'm a happy,
Speaker 2: positive psychologist, and I show that to my clients every day.
Speaker 2: Every client gets the same positive psychology in me, so
Speaker 2: that part of me is real and that's what you
Speaker 2: saw on the game, that positive, happy person who wants
Speaker 2: to just promote joy all the time. That was authentically me.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's good to explore some of the relationship that
Speaker 1: you had because there was a lot of banter between
Speaker 1: you and Alex. So what do you think was the
Speaker 1: reason behind the unusual rivalry that seemed to developed there.
Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong, I have a soft spot
Speaker 2: in my heart for Alex, and he's an interesting chap.
Speaker 2: But Alex is you know, a little bit arrogant, quite haughty,
Speaker 2: and you know, on the application form they said who
Speaker 2: would you not want to be on an island with?
Speaker 2: And I said, arrogant men, Well, not.
Speaker 1: The show for you, because we find that we find
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of those type of blokes that
Speaker 1: they'll want to come and do this show exactly.
Speaker 2: So they gave me. They gave me Alex, didn't they.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh no, So I just decided
Speaker 2: to spend my time putting Alex in his spot a
Speaker 2: little bit. So that's where the band had probably begun.
Speaker 1: What's your read on him though? Like is in you know,
Speaker 1: were you trying to hold a mirror up against his behavior?
Speaker 1: Like were you using any psychological or I was any
Speaker 1: of your work practices on him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was trying to get into have
Speaker 2: some interest fiction, you know, that just didn't happen. I
Speaker 2: was trying to get a look at himself that you know,
Speaker 2: other people are important in this game. The other people
Speaker 2: have a voice. It's not all about you, Alex. So
Speaker 2: I was for a lot of this game trying to
Speaker 2: use my psychology. I mean, obviously I'm analyzing every moment,
Speaker 2: every second of the game. So yes, I was analyzing Alex,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, please, Alex, I beg you just
Speaker 2: to have a look at yourself and have some insight.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we have a great banter and a lot
Speaker 2: of fun, and I like that side of him. And
Speaker 2: Alex is a very driven man and I'm a very
Speaker 2: driven woman. And maybe that's also why we clashed a
Speaker 2: little bit, because we are both very driven in our
Speaker 2: own right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. True. We have to talk about the fact that
Speaker 1: your effort to save Raymond was obviously very admirable, and
Speaker 1: you know, the viewers saw that. And I think you
Speaker 1: know you did the right thing by being true to yourself,
Speaker 1: by valuing a friend that you'd made but it ultimately
Speaker 1: was your death wish too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but sometimes in life, like I said,
Speaker 2: you have to take you have to, you know, take
Speaker 2: the sword. And you know, Raymond, like I said, was
Speaker 2: a very special person for me in that he's a
Speaker 2: bit quirky and he's a bit different. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: much of a voice, and you can see that even
Speaker 2: on the production that you know, he hasn't got much
Speaker 2: of a voice happening there. And I'm all about empowering
Speaker 2: people who are underdogs, empowering people to have their voice,
Speaker 2: and that's what I do every single day of my life.
Speaker 2: And I just saw Raymond and he was so kind
Speaker 2: to me. And like I said to you before, people
Speaker 2: do not understand how important it is those little tiny
Speaker 2: things giving me your shirt. When I was freezing cold,
Speaker 2: pouring with rain, all I had was a beginning in
Speaker 2: a red singer and that man hugged me in the
Speaker 2: nighttime to keep me warm. Even though he doesn't do
Speaker 2: physical touch, he did that for me. So that meant
Speaker 2: a lot. And at that point in the game, I
Speaker 2: knew that if I got that man to merge, it
Speaker 2: would basically change his life. Being on Survivor for a
Speaker 2: longer time, for the rest of his life. And I
Speaker 2: really wanted to do that, and I really wanted Barris
Speaker 2: and Eileen to see that we could take out a
Speaker 2: bigger player. But they didn't see that.
Speaker 1: They didn't say that today. I mean, he was not
Speaker 1: a threat.
Speaker 2: He was my shield. He was not a threat.
Speaker 1: Now that you know that Raymond voted for you, though,
Speaker 1: changed the way that you feel about your choice to
Speaker 1: ultimately self evict to make a point that you liked
Speaker 1: him not at all.
Speaker 2: I would have voted for myself too if I was
Speaker 2: I would have voted for Raymond too, if I was
Speaker 2: in his position winner with an er, remember, I mean
Speaker 2: we had to put that in right, because you know winner.
Speaker 2: So look, no, if I was, if I was in
Speaker 2: his position, I would have done Is that the same thing?
Speaker 2: Because he knew at that point that Merge was just
Speaker 2: around the corner. I knew that Merge was just around
Speaker 2: the corner, So of course he had to look look
Speaker 2: like he was maintaining his alliance with Ferris Eileen. Why
Speaker 2: would he do that. That would be stupid of him
Speaker 2: to do that. So no, I don't I don't begrudge
Speaker 2: Raymond at all. I think he made the right trus.
Speaker 1: It would also appear that Kirby was in this episode,
Speaker 1: was doing the right thing by you. You know, she
Speaker 1: really did look like she was trying to help you,
Speaker 1: and you did have a sorry. You did have a
Speaker 1: great relationship with her from what we could see. But
Speaker 1: when you're looking back at her trying to explain how
Speaker 1: survivor works at the time, it sort of looked like
Speaker 1: you were a bit defensive about it. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about it now? You kind of wish that you're
Speaker 1: taking Kirby's advice.
Speaker 2: No, I know how survivor works. I'm not stupid. I
Speaker 2: analyze people and details every day. I just chose to
Speaker 2: disagree with her, and Kirby like me. We are again,
Speaker 2: very strong women because we are both mature. We've you know,
Speaker 2: got businesses. You know, she's lived a very big life,
Speaker 2: so have I. And you know, I absolutely respect that
Speaker 2: person so much. She's a great friend and shall be
Speaker 2: a friend for life. And I just decided at that
Speaker 2: point that I didn't agree with her decision to vote
Speaker 2: out such a small player, even though he was a
Speaker 2: bit of a shield to Ferris. We were so close
Speaker 2: to merge. Everything changes emerged like dynamics changed dramatically. So
Speaker 2: I was just like, for this vote, let's all come together,
Speaker 2: be original, rebel strong, and let's vote out Vale or winner.
Speaker 1: That's and we tried to do that.
Speaker 2: We tried to talk to her about that, and she
Speaker 2: just had a different idea in her mind, which is
Speaker 2: totally okay, that's her game play. But me and Eileen
Speaker 2: and Ferris we had I just talked about that with
Speaker 2: her end Scottie, but they wanted to do that because
Speaker 2: they were scared for their own position in the game,
Speaker 2: and that's why they wanted to stay with the Titans.
Speaker 1: So did you have a game plan moving forward? If
Speaker 1: you made it just that one more day and made
Speaker 1: it into the merged, what was your gameplay moving forward?
Speaker 2: So moving forward, I was going to still maintain my
Speaker 2: alliance with Kirby and Scotty. I knew that Kirby was
Speaker 2: going to move away from the og Titans because now
Speaker 2: we were back with the Rebels. So I knew that
Speaker 2: Kirby and me were going to move back stronger with
Speaker 2: the Rebels, but because we are a very strong tribe.
Speaker 2: But I also knew that I had established those relationships
Speaker 2: with Kitty and Caroline early on, like they weren't enough
Speaker 2: a lot lot of time. But I had started that
Speaker 2: and so I thought, well, I've got that there, and
Speaker 2: I've got Kirby there, So I was going to continue
Speaker 2: to do that. Me and Ray had an agreement that
Speaker 2: if we got to merge, and we had an agreement
Speaker 2: also with Kirby that basically, once you get to merge,
Speaker 2: it's every person for themselves. So but we were going
Speaker 2: to keep that strength of what we built in the
Speaker 2: game on the low down.
Speaker 1: Do you know what was interesting was Valeria seemed like
Speaker 1: she was basically done with you, and it almost seemed
Speaker 1: like she was cross with you. That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: What was her beef with you? Do you think that
Speaker 1: there was more to her beef with you than what
Speaker 1: we got to see as an audience.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think Valeria is used to running
Speaker 2: a business, and she's used to be in control, and
Speaker 2: she's used to having, you know, to make decisions and
Speaker 2: things like that. And I came in and I probably
Speaker 2: challenged that. And remember she thought I was an idiot
Speaker 2: because I downplayed everything enough. She had no idea who
Speaker 2: I was, she had no idea what was doing. She
Speaker 2: surely just met me previously. She had no relationship with me,
Speaker 2: so you know, from her perspective, this girl has no
Speaker 2: clue what she's talking about. So like, back off, girl.
Speaker 2: So I don't begrudge her that because I understand that
Speaker 2: that's the way she saw me. But yeah, like I
Speaker 2: think there was that she didn't understand that she wasn't
Speaker 2: part of my alliance. I said to k she is
Speaker 2: not my mob. That's not my mob. My mob was
Speaker 2: you and the rebels. Because you know, I'm a rebel.
Speaker 2: That's it, It's deep in my heart. I'm born a rebel,
Speaker 2: in a dire rebel. So I told Kirby that on
Speaker 2: the beach, and you don't get to see that. I
Speaker 2: drew all the dynamics for Kirby on the beach. We
Speaker 2: didn't see that in the edit. But I was saying
Speaker 2: to Kirby, this is not my mob, babe, this is
Speaker 2: not your mob. And she's like, Kelly just for murdered,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I know, but please, let's not sell
Speaker 2: our sould to the devil. Let's go original rebels.
Speaker 1: This episode sort of did have a bit of a
Speaker 1: fork in the road when it came to people's making,
Speaker 1: people making decisions. What was your rationale when it came
Speaker 1: to choosing to look for or to stay and have
Speaker 1: the food and sit with the others overlooking for the idol.
Speaker 2: There's no way I was going to find an idol
Speaker 2: against you know those boys, you know that would have
Speaker 2: been pushing and shoven, and you know, I was like,
Speaker 2: there's no way I'm going to find an idol. And
Speaker 2: I just thought to myself, it's my son's birthday. He's
Speaker 2: dating what what? Here's my birthday party?
Speaker 1: It's a birthday, well my son.
Speaker 2: So basically that was a great motivation that I had,
Speaker 2: and I was pretty hungry. I was losing quite a
Speaker 2: bit away, as you could see, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was a great viportunity to tell the other tribe that
Speaker 2: pretty sure I'm going to be going home. Girls.
Speaker 1: So well, you did play very hard to win over Kitty.
Speaker 1: But the one thing I was curious about was your
Speaker 1: take on this. I mean, you kind of gossiped about
Speaker 1: everybody in a way to win over her affection. That
Speaker 1: does not make that kind of makes me wonder what
Speaker 1: she would think of you because of that, Mainly because
Speaker 1: my mum always said to me, the way that you
Speaker 1: talk about others is the way that you build trust
Speaker 1: with new people. Did you worry about gossiping about all
Speaker 1: the others and throwing them under the bus with someone
Speaker 1: who you were trying to develop a relationship with.
Speaker 2: Look, I never gossiped or said anything negative about anyone
Speaker 2: on the show, because that's not who I am. But
Speaker 2: at that moment, I knew I was going. I knew
Speaker 2: my back is against the wall and I was going.
Speaker 2: So I had a very short amount of time. I
Speaker 2: was hoping to rely on the fact that me and
Speaker 2: her had been winking at each other for the last
Speaker 2: four weeks or more. Wink, wink, you know, not no smiling,
Speaker 2: and all those sort of non verbal gestures that I
Speaker 2: was doing with her and Caroline, And when I got
Speaker 2: to the tribe, we had lots of cuddles and so
Speaker 2: the things. I was hoping that at that minute, because
Speaker 2: we didn't have long the party wasn't exactly long, that
Speaker 2: I could quickly tell them bang bang bang bang bang
Speaker 2: bang bang. And yes, I didn't have time to develop
Speaker 2: a rapport, which you normally have much more time to
Speaker 2: do that, so I quickly just went bang bang bang bang.
Speaker 2: And I also wanted my alliance to see that I
Speaker 2: was totally gone from them, and I wanted my new
Speaker 2: alliance to see that I was totally with them. So
Speaker 2: there was a strategy to get people to see that
Speaker 2: I was like a complete severing. There was no if
Speaker 2: some barts, I have severed my alliance with you, Kirby
Speaker 2: and Scottie, I have severed it. And that's why I
Speaker 2: did that, because it showed people that it was completely severed,
Speaker 2: and I thought Kitty would pick that up that if
Speaker 2: I was completely changed my alliance that quickly, that they'd
Speaker 2: pick up that I was doing that for a reason.
Speaker 2: So hopefully they did pick that up, but maybe they didn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have given them some information that will help
Speaker 1: them move forward. You might have severed yourself just a
Speaker 1: little bit early. What's your take on Ferris not taking
Speaker 1: a swing for Kirby or even the and Winner v
Speaker 1: and Winner probably being lower hanging fruit.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was so confused watching that episode, so I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like, why can't you see? That's
Speaker 2: what my song says. My rebel kel song says, why
Speaker 2: can't you see? I need your rebels to trust me,
Speaker 2: That's what I say, Like, why can't you see that
Speaker 2: this is so close to merge. We can just come together.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, Paris, why can't you see this what's
Speaker 2: going on? And I was just like last night, going wow,
Speaker 2: like that's just so obvious what I was trying to do,
Speaker 2: so obvious. He could have taken down Kirby at this
Speaker 2: point if he wanted to, I mean, his greatest threat.
Speaker 2: He could have taken down and Ferris and Eileen and
Speaker 2: Ray did not take that opportunity. And I was just
Speaker 2: dumb founded. I've got to admit I was just dumbfounded
Speaker 2: that tribal and I was dumbfounded last night.
Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe Kirby spent a little bit
Speaker 1: too much time trying to flush those off? In your mind?
Speaker 1: What do you think her ambition was? Was it to
Speaker 1: flush those idols or to get rid of you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I think at that point it was to get
Speaker 2: rid of me, because you know, she wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure the target she didn't have an idol. She wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure the target wasn't on her back, and
Speaker 2: there was going to be no flipping going on, so
Speaker 2: if she could just quickly come with them now on
Speaker 2: this vote, because you know, they thought that I was
Speaker 2: unpredictable and chaotic at that point, because remember I'd had
Speaker 2: the Tobias vote, so they already had that in their background.
Speaker 2: Even though I had done really well to crawl my
Speaker 2: way back from that, they trusted me again. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, they're still in their mind. So I think
Speaker 2: Kirby's idea was just basically to get rid of me,
Speaker 2: and that's I'm totally okay with that. That's how we
Speaker 2: play the game.
Speaker 1: Who do you want to do better now that the
Speaker 1: merger is about to happen. Do you want Kirby to
Speaker 1: do better or Ferres?
Speaker 2: I like and respect both those people immensely. They're both
Speaker 2: incredible people, and they both hold a soft spot in
Speaker 2: my heart. But I the moment I saw Ferby, I
Speaker 2: wanted her to win this game. I told her that
Speaker 2: from the very first day, and I saw her standing
Speaker 2: this beautiful Aboriginal woman. And that's the only thing I'm
Speaker 2: sad about not going to merge is that I really
Speaker 2: feel like if I was with Curbs, it would have
Speaker 2: been good for her because she would have had my backing,
Speaker 2: and maybe we can't have two queens standing on the board.
Speaker 2: If I was still there but not now.
Speaker 1: This season, people are very critical of Kirby. They're saying
Speaker 1: that she's arrogant and she's smug or you know, she's
Speaker 1: not confident. She's this you know people are and they've
Speaker 1: talked about you. They pulled you apart every day, like
Speaker 1: throughout all the forums. What do you think about what
Speaker 1: people have to say about the Survivor players.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't want to get too political, but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, what I've done and what
Speaker 2: Kirby's doing is probably bringing out all the mass discrimination
Speaker 2: that we see in life every day, from women to age,
Speaker 2: to gender, to sexuality to race. I brought all of
Speaker 2: that out. Kirby's bringing that out. I think there is
Speaker 2: an element of that in there. Kirby's very smart and
Speaker 2: strong willed. I'm strong willed, and maybe they don't like
Speaker 2: that as well. Because I walk with angels fear to tread.
Speaker 2: My dad said that to me when I was a
Speaker 2: little girl, and one of the episodes is named that
Speaker 2: Kirby is the same. She has to walk her path
Speaker 2: and she probably walks a little bit with angels fear
Speaker 2: to tread too. I mean so, yes, I think the
Speaker 2: audience is very serious. I think they I don't understand.
Speaker 2: This is a game, and I think they forget that
Speaker 2: we are characters in the game and this is reality TV.
Speaker 2: But is it really reality?
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's interesting to watch the way in
Speaker 1: which people interpret one piece of information. It's like that
Speaker 1: old saying of you know, send two people into a
Speaker 1: room and they come out saying something different, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just the whispers too, of course.
Speaker 1: Of course, but someone's personal experience might be triggered by
Speaker 1: one person's action, and that action, in reality might not
Speaker 1: have even translated to be that, you know.
Speaker 2: So really it's decontextualize. Everything must be in a context.
Speaker 2: And even me as a psychologist that some of the
Speaker 2: comments online are hilarious. You know, my clients are just going, huh.
Speaker 2: I'm been a psychologist for more than half my life
Speaker 2: and you know how old I announce it.
Speaker 1: That's just going to bring in more work for you, Kelly?
Speaker 1: Is this going to bring in more work?
Speaker 2: People? I want to have people who text me DM me.
Speaker 2: Can I be your Can I you be my psychologists? Please?
Speaker 2: There's already happened this morning, so I'm making business.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's roll this again. I need some help. I
Speaker 1: reckon you can help me. We'll do a psy psychology
Speaker 1: session with me. I'm joking. I'm joking. Before you go,
Speaker 1: we'd be here all day. We'd be here all day.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you everyone, I've been asking
Speaker 1: this sentence to in the Game of Australian Survivor. And
Speaker 1: if you can say that in a sentence with something
Speaker 1: that you've learned.
Speaker 2: The game of Survivor, I have learned that living on
Speaker 2: an island with a bunch of people is bloody awesome.
Speaker 1: Are they all coming to your next birthday?
Speaker 2: They better be.
Speaker 1: I feel like you should have a reunion next year
Speaker 1: for your son's birthday, or this year, I should say
Speaker 1: when your son's birthday.
Speaker 2: My son is so excited. He pretends he's not right,
Speaker 2: he pretends he was so embarrassed for the last seven months,
Speaker 2: but deep in his heart he is so proud, as
Speaker 2: is my daughter, and my dog's proud of me too.
Speaker 2: I know I can read I can read his mind
Speaker 2: and my son, Yes, I'm pretty sure he will be
Speaker 2: excited if we had a reunion on his birthday. It
Speaker 2: was such a beautiful moment and I'm so thankful that
Speaker 2: Survivor did that for me, I mean and my son.
Speaker 2: I mean, how beautiful of them to do that is
Speaker 2: so magical, all of us coming together and the flowers
Speaker 2: going out into the ocean all the way from Samoa, Australia.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. It was great. The last question to ask
Speaker 1: everyone is what is something from behind the scenes, something
Speaker 1: that we didn't get a chance to see.
Speaker 2: Look behind the scenes was fantastic, truly. It was one
Speaker 2: thing that people don't know, which I hope I'm allowed
Speaker 2: to say, is that we actually got a tsunami scare
Speaker 2: like a birthquake happening. Oh wow, If you're not allowed
Speaker 2: to use that one, we are. But behind the scenes
Speaker 2: is that people are beautiful and they're very and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of fantastic relationships behind the scene and you
Speaker 2: just don't see any of that. Well, love each other.
Speaker 2: The revers is really great.
Speaker 1: I just thoroughly and I started this podcast by thanking you,
Speaker 1: and I thank you again. I thought, when it comes
Speaker 1: to these reality shows and we're seeing them, you know,
Speaker 1: so many seasons in, we're always so thirsty for new players,
Speaker 1: for news stories, new characters, and my favorite thing is
Speaker 1: people being truly themselves and being a little bit mad.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite look.
Speaker 2: I know. I've been so long. I know personality, so
Speaker 2: I can produce any personality you want. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, my friends will tell you Kelly
Speaker 2: is the most happy, fregarious, fun loving extrovert who takes risks.
Speaker 2: And that's what I do in my life. I just
Speaker 2: the any character I want, even in my personal life.
Speaker 2: I just do whatever I want that makes me happy
Speaker 2: and brings laughter to people, and that's what I do.
Speaker 2: So technically I am authentically me.
Speaker 1: Well, we all need to be our authentic self, and
Speaker 1: I think that you've even unlocked more of that in
Speaker 1: me today from talking to you, So thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Enjoy chatting to the media. I think you're going to
Speaker 1: have a great time and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are going to really love talking to you as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's asked me to do it the podcast, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you should do that.
Speaker 1: You should do that. I'd love to hear your take
Speaker 1: the psychology had on and I'd like a debrief of
Speaker 1: every player, all of the twenty three of them.
Speaker 2: My psychology had is very interesting, but you know, you know,
Speaker 2: there's ethics involved in things. But my psychology had has
Speaker 2: seen a lot of those dynamics, trust me, and those
Speaker 2: little features of narcissism. Whoa, that was a bit of
Speaker 2: narcissism coming out there. So yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: that on Survivor. I can see that. So yes, I
Speaker 2: would love to do podcasts. And I hope people love
Speaker 2: my merch and I hope people love my Rebel Cow
Speaker 2: song because Billy id Or what what an incredible song
Speaker 2: to do a parody on.
Speaker 1: So I'm in your audience, mate, I'm in your audience
Speaker 1: and I will be for a very long time.
Speaker 2: See you next one. By