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Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts, Hear More Kids podcasts, playlists and listen

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Speaker 1: live on the Free hard.

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Speaker 2: From December tenth, social media platforms forced to block out

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Speaker 2: under sixteen year olds in Australia from holding accounts. The

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Speaker 2: Melbourne University is apparently already testing all these different ways

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Speaker 2: they're going to try and enforce that.

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Speaker 3: I managed to.

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Speaker 2: Poke a few solid holes in it already. So look,

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Speaker 2: I think this is personally, I don't think it's gonna work,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's shirking responsibility slash. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of guilt and there's a lot of panic from parents

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Speaker 2: with teenagers because they don't know what else to do.

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Speaker 2: And I just don't think this is the right option.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know what the right option is.

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Speaker 3: That's not my job.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think this is gonna work.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, is there any legislation that because it feels

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Speaker 1: like there' pressure on the government to do something about

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Speaker 1: it too, So it feels like maybe all the things

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Speaker 1: you can do making it illegal from a certain age.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Because the other thing is you're gonna have some parents

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Speaker 2: who go I don't care. So then a kid gets

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Speaker 2: to school and they're like, oh, how did you get

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Speaker 2: into a social media camp with my mum and dad?

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Speaker 3: Don't care.

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Speaker 2: That kid goes home and goes hey, everyone else is

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Speaker 2: studio's in the social media characters. No one cares. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: cops are going to go around to fifty percent of

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Speaker 2: high school peace.

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Speaker 1: You're on social media? Hey, show me your phone, show

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Speaker 1: me history. I'm going to do that anyway.

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Speaker 2: Look, we've got Nigel Fair who is professor of Software

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Speaker 2: Systems and Cybersecurity at wan Ash University. Nigel, thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us. Do you think this is going to work?

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Speaker 3: Nigel? I don't think we should look at us in

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Speaker 3: this being the silver bullet to the problems that young

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Speaker 3: people have online mental health, screen addiction, privacy, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 3: I think we've got to look at it being a

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Speaker 3: long burn and this needs to be one suite of many,

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Speaker 3: many things that we do to provide the tools and

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Speaker 3: techniques for young people to think about what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do in the online environment.

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Speaker 1: So Nigel, we was kind of saying before the song though,

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Speaker 1: that I mean, for these kids that are way more

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Speaker 1: tech savvy than me, that it's going to be very,

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Speaker 1: very easy for them to get around this ban of

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Speaker 1: under sixteen year olds with your expertise, do you agree

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Speaker 1: with that? Like, is where's it going to be easy

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Speaker 1: to get around?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, there's certainly going to be ways that they're

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Speaker 3: going to get around. They'll be talking about it now

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Speaker 3: how they can get around it with you know it

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Speaker 3: with a VPN or whether it's gaming the system. But

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Speaker 3: you know, this is where the legislation is going to be.

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Speaker 3: Relying on the social media company is actually not going

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Speaker 3: to be an offense if you're under sixteen to create

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Speaker 3: an account. It's relying on the social media companies to

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Speaker 3: detect your user activity and potentially block you or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm sorry, So they the social media companies can

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Speaker 1: choose to block you.

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Speaker 3: Yees. So there's you know, there's a great thing in life.

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Speaker 3: There's two things you don't want to ever watch being made.

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Speaker 3: When is sausages and the other one is laws.

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Speaker 1: I love watching made. What are you talking about watching

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Speaker 1: a sausage system?

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Speaker 3: I mean stuffed?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Sorry talking into a different matter watching it being made

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Speaker 3: if you're not so much. But the legislation talks about

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Speaker 3: the social media coming to having to take reasonable steps,

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Speaker 3: and you can choose whatever definition you want to put

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Speaker 3: around the phrase reasonable steps. But that's what they've got

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Speaker 3: to do. So it's quite light touch what it is.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I think the real discussion will we'd

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Speaker 3: have in twelve, twenty four, thirty six months to see

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Speaker 3: what difference it's made happen. We'll be kicked up.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say that I was.

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Speaker 3: Been able to create accounts, etcetera.

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Speaker 2: I've just heard you and I do you think that?

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Speaker 2: And so let's say that, you know, let's say this

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Speaker 2: is successful. Let's say that you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: eighty percent of sixteen year olds now sixteen nunders stay

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Speaker 2: off social media. Do you like how different is that

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Speaker 2: seventeen year old going to be versus the seventeen year

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Speaker 2: old that is on social media.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's society where we've made an assessment

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Speaker 3: of as you get older and you get more mature,

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Speaker 3: you can start making better choices about the things that

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Speaker 3: you see, whether that's online or offline. And that's really

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Speaker 3: why the sign we can vote when we're adein, we

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Speaker 3: can drink when we're adein, you know, So it's on

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Speaker 3: that step of the many people would argue, and they

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Speaker 3: bring it into the UK that you can vote from

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Speaker 3: being sixteen. There's a lot of attuned people to the

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Speaker 3: public policy. So that's where it is, and that's where

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Speaker 3: part of the reason if BANG is bringing brought into

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Speaker 3: is because young people are seeing things in the online

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Speaker 3: environment they really shouldn't be there, right, They're getting groomed,

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Speaker 3: they're getting they're seeing images that aren't appropriate, they're suffering

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Speaker 3: from mental health issues because of the you know, the FOMO,

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Speaker 3: all sorts of different things. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 3: these social media platforms are very addictive, you know, and

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Speaker 3: it's the concept of I'm always going to be available

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Speaker 3: because my friends are always going to be available aligne

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Speaker 3: this social compact that they have, with the argument being

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Speaker 3: they're not prepared mentally to cope with that under sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Nigel, thanks so much for joining us. Professor of

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Speaker 2: Software Systems and Cybersecurity. Money you University in Nigel, fair

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Speaker 2: there and all around.

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Speaker 3: Good guy.

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Speaker 2: Been loving to meet you, Nige.

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Speaker 3: Thanks God cheers.

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Speaker 2: Hey Julia here, who's called in?

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Speaker 3: Julia?

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Speaker 2: You don't think the social media band.

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Speaker 3: Is going to work?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it will work. The Jeels I'm nineteen,

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Speaker 4: so I'm born two thousand and six. However, I wasn't

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Speaker 4: on social media till I turned thirteen. Starting year seven,

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Speaker 4: I got an iPhone. That was when I was first

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Speaker 4: really introduced to the social media world. But I don't

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Speaker 4: think you know, these young kids that I look after,

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Speaker 4: im nanny. I look after young kids that jen Alpha.

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Speaker 4: They are all electronics. Where there's a will, where there's

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Speaker 4: a way, I think they will find a way. Whether

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Speaker 4: it's putting their account under their mum or dad's name,

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Speaker 4: or you know, getting a VPN or a different device,

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Speaker 4: they will find a way and they will get on

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Speaker 4: that social media if you have, you.

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Speaker 1: Found with the kids you look after, are they all

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Speaker 1: pretty addicted to it? Always the heads up?

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Speaker 4: Yes, as soon as we get home. I picked them

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Speaker 4: up from school. As soon as we get home, it's

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Speaker 4: straight onto something. It's straight onto whether it's the iPad,

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Speaker 4: whether it's the Xbox, whether it's whatever device is in

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Speaker 4: hands reach. As soon as they walk into that front door,

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Speaker 4: there's no more. In the morning as well, they're on

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Speaker 4: their iPads. There's no more watching cartoons in the morning,

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Speaker 4: or you know, just sitting on the couch.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a pretty sweet gig for you, though, Julia,

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Speaker 2: fifty bucks an hour.

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Speaker 1: You just go on to social media yourself, Julia, Yeah, no.

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Speaker 4: I just have to watch them.

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Speaker 3: That's my job, going to Julia