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Speaker 1: We know that the Property Council of Australia's Northern Territory branch,

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Speaker 1: they've launched a survey. They're conducting this survey really because

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Speaker 1: they say that they've witnessed over recent times the increase

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Speaker 1: in commercial property crime in the Northern Territory and they

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Speaker 1: know that Territorians are feeling the impact that this is

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Speaker 1: having on businesses and the wider community. So joining me

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Speaker 1: on the line right now to tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about this survey is the Chief Executive of

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Speaker 1: the Property Council here in the Northern Territory, Bruth Palmer.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Ruth.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Ruth.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit more about why you've launched

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Speaker 1: this survey.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. Yes, So we launched our survey to basically

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Speaker 2: identify what's sort of happening in businesses around the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: So we get daily emails, we get daily phone calls,

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Speaker 2: daily photos coming through from our members that basically show

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Speaker 2: the level of behavior that's happening within their premises, outside

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Speaker 2: their premises, but also the breakings that are also occurring.

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Speaker 2: We thought it would be really handy to be able

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Speaker 2: to collate this data and have some clean data around

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Speaker 2: statistics that we could then present to the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 2: because we know that property crime and vehicle test is

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Speaker 2: having that significant impact on the lives of people living here,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we're really talking about, the cost that's involved,

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Speaker 2: but also around how people are actually feeling in their business,

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Speaker 1: So rose who can take part? Is it just people

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Speaker 1: who own property like commercial property around the territory that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did send it out to all our

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Speaker 2: member recks yesterday because basically we only need one response

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Speaker 2: from each business, otherwise that can change the numbers a

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Speaker 2: bit too much if we've got five people within the

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Speaker 2: business doing the survey. So we send it out to

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Speaker 2: Property Council members yesterday and already received like an eighty

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Speaker 2: ask our members to forward it onto businesses that they

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Speaker 2: know that may have been impacted, just so we could

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Speaker 2: get a higher sort of data set. And then we've

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Speaker 2: obviously just asked other businesses as well to participate in

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Speaker 2: the survey. So it is a commercial for business or

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Speaker 2: retail or tenancies that we're sort of looking at because

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Speaker 2: we're really trying to gauge what's happening around the investment space,

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Speaker 2: but also around the cost that this is putting onto

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, I think it's interesting. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be interesting to find out because I would imagine that's

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Speaker 1: you know, even business owners like Sentinel that we've spoken

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Intentinal our members of ours, and they

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Speaker 2: have undertaken this survey as well, so you know, like

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Speaker 2: doing an early indication. We've had around eighty responses within

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Speaker 2: those first couple of hours yesterday, which was great, and

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Speaker 2: we are hoping to get a good number. But just

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Speaker 2: the early insights that I've seen, we've had people saying

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Speaker 2: that they've spent over one hundred thousand dollars just on

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Speaker 2: so that's like over eleven times they've been impacted and

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Speaker 2: that's costing over one hundred thousand dollars that they've spent

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Speaker 2: especially with that being spath on. But you know, eighty

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Speaker 2: we've only gotten, you know, the first few hours, and

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Speaker 2: ninety six percent said there's an impact on the population

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Speaker 1: Goodness, mate, And I mean this is just early days.

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Speaker 1: How long is the survey opened for Yes, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Keep it open for a week because we really want

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Speaker 2: we're also asking for feedback as well, so asking what

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Speaker 2: And you know, very we asked if you would recommend

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Speaker 2: very confronting results. And when we're talking about a commercial perspective,

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Speaker 2: seventy one percent said that they've been commercially impacted, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what exactly are you going to do with

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Speaker 1: the survey results once it's complete. You're obviously going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why we asked some questions of what

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Speaker 2: do we believe, Well, what do you believe that Northern

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Speaker 2: some really good suggestions coming through on that. So we'll

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Speaker 2: suggestions that have come from that ground up response, but

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Speaker 2: So if we've got the data that we're able to

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Speaker 2: the Property Council has always been behind this sort of conversation.

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Speaker 2: For the last couple of years now, we have been

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Speaker 2: working very hard to try and ENCOURAGEJAF members to want

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Speaker 2: we can go about getting the the reform right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the conversation, Bruce.

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Speaker 1: If there is anybody out there listening who's a business owner,

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Speaker 1: the survey, where can they head to? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So it is on the Property Council of Australia and

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Speaker 2: Is also really beneficial to the data.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And look there might be people out there

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Speaker 1: You're happy to hear from them as well. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what the feedback is, you're happy to hear us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And we've had people say no, I

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Speaker 2: I am teen to do a add up after we've

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Speaker 2: sort of reduce this. And we know that Queensland's now

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Speaker 1: And fundamentally, I think what every like, what needs to

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory to thrive. You know, like, this isn't about

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Speaker 1: us trying to talk the territory down or you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys conducting a survey so that you can go

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Speaker 1: to the government to talk the territory down. It's about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's right. And you know some of the

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Speaker 2: We are making sure we have a business reach across

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Speaker 2: see that very unlikely. Is the highest for you know,

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Speaker 2: recommending the Northern Heritory to our friends and families because

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Speaker 2: we all love the territory and we want people to

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Speaker 2: what we're hearing, and we all need to be able

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Speaker 2: and really sort of try and tidy up this behavior.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ruth Palmer, we always appreciate your time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for coming on the show this morning and

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Speaker 1: having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks a lot, Kate. I look forward to be

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Speaker 2: able to share in the full results when we're finished.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be care to hear them. Ruth, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for speaking with us this morning,