1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: It's me the dazzling out simone, checking in for my 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: charity work shift, charting a spotlight on the most sparkly folk. Yeah. 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: I'll give back to the world by speaking to sometimes 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: very normal people, but I so selflessly use my time 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: to uncover the extraordinary behind these ordinary types. All right, 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: time to start my shift and meet today's normy Rall. Hi. 7 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: My name is Matt. I'm from just outside London, but 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: I've lived in Perth over twenty years. I've previously worked 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: as a club DJ, at TV presenter and radio announcer, 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: and bookmakers have actually issued of a thousand, one thousand 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: to one for me to play the next James Bots 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: James Bond. I enjoy foil surfing, wing falling, pretty much 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: any other beach and ocean activity. But I I'm concealing 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: something about myself where I'm usually front and center, but 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: not the stuff. 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Hollo man, how you going here today? How what's 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: going on over there? Oh? 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: It's beautiful, it's sunny, it's lovely. I've had to stroll 19 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: down the beach already. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: So you've lived a thousand lives, it seems already. Club DJ, 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: TV presenter, radio announcer. Possibly maybe not James Bond, but 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, there may be bad odds, but it could 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: still happen. Are you hiding? Are you running from something? 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Are you running from the law? Why have you had 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: so many different lives? 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: That's it? You know, I crash a burn at a 27 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: certain time. I have to reinvent myself. No opportunities present themselves, 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: and I you know, I just I like to explore opportunities, 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: and I like to make sure I've done all the 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: things that I've had in my mind that I want 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: to do, and so sometimes you just have to kind 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: of blow everything else up and start again. So I've 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: done that a number of times. 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, now Perth, you're formerly from just outside of London. 35 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Very cool spectacles, Might I say thank you? That are 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: very very fun. They look like a cartoon drawing. Are 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: they functional or just fashionable? 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: No, they are functionable. Without them, I do find it 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: very hard to see you know, your exquisite detail, and 40 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: that was something that I needed to make sure was 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: one hundred percent locked in for this pod. 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: So well, I know it is very important that you 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: see my beautiful vizage here. Now you've said foiling what 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: surf foiling, foiling, What do you put foil on a surfboard? 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Is that? 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: What that is? I don't know what that is. 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a relatively new sport. I surf for over 48 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: twenty years, since since I moved to Australia I started serving. 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: And then there's there's something which looks vaging like an 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: aeroplane wing that you kind of stick on underneath a surfboard. 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: Is called a hydrofoil. You pop it under there and 52 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: it kind of lifts the board out of the water slightly. 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: All right, So running from the law future foil fashions, okay, yeah, 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: very important things to me, all right, yep, okay, just 55 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: making my picture here. Now, what I'm going to do 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: is ask you three questions, and from the answers to 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: those three questions, I'm going to try and work out 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: what it is you're concealing from me here today. So 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: first question I have for you is, all right, you're 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: going to go climb them out and you're out of 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: the water. Yep, Okay, we're climbing a mountain instead. What 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: is one item you want to take with you? 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: Oh? I'm actually using them right now. I'm going to 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: take some earbuds, but I'll obviously have to. I'll twin 65 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: it with a playlist of absolute dance floor bangers, because 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: I reckon if I'm climbing a mountain. I've walked on mountains. 67 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: It's a struggle, and it's I don't know why you 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: really want to put yourself through that. So I'm going 69 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: to need something to get me through it. And I 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: think music has that like suggestive ability to change the 71 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: way you feel. So I'm going to have a big 72 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: pump up dance floor bangers playlist which will really, you know, 73 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: give me that woomph to get up that mountain. 74 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Okay, motivational music, Okay, things in your ears? 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: Question number two? 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: All right, you were saying some lovely things about me, 77 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: But what is the best compliment you've ever received? Oh? 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: Do you know what? It's lovely to rid for seed compliments, 79 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: isn't it. I'm not sure it's the best one. It 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: was just like a very memorable one, Mike. Mike Tyson 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: actually told me I was amazing. It was quite scary, 82 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: to be quite honest, but it was also quite nice. 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: Maybe this third question not really helped me out because 85 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm really suiting blanks here today even chrest number three 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: is okay. Besides me again, I was the last thing 87 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: that made you laugh very very hard. 88 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: Okay. So with what I do, this will sound weird. 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: But when I was doing that thing I do recently, 90 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: people sometimes become a penguin or penguins. Normally that's pretty 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: funny because they're kind of just like waddling around. But 92 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: recently someone fully committed and did a full on run, 93 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: jump and belly slide across the length of the stage 94 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: I was on at the time. 95 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Okay, right, so someone did a bally flop on this 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: on the stage. 97 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: Okay, So. 98 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: Right, so you're on a stage, you're like good music. 99 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Some mirk tys and said you're amazing, but you you're 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: You already told me you've been into club DJ, so 101 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: it can't be that you're a DJ. You say, people 102 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: want me become penguins, penguins, belly flops, water water okay, 103 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: London James Bond, animals, belly flop, motivations, climbing a mountain. 104 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: I love the way you're trying to connect all these. 105 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really rea Okay, the only thing that I 106 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: have in my head and it's not right. 107 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: Are you a zoomba instructor? What do you think? Well, 108 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: you're motivating them and getting up the thing. 109 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: And maybe Mark Tyson went to one of your zumba 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: classes and then you know, maybe one of your moves 111 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: is the penguin. But someone just said, oh no, I 112 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: belly flopped and they fell over. Maybe you're a zomber instructure. 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: I am a stage hypnotist. I performed comedy hypnosis shows 114 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: all over the world. Very silly things happened over the years. 115 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: I've used hypnosis to help people quld smoke, eliminate their anxiety, 116 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: remove their phobias, day to day, night by night, I'm 117 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: on the stage. 118 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm scared. Now are the glasses there? Just so I 119 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: really have to look into your eyes? They pull focus? 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Is that why? 121 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: It's that barrier? No, No, it's that barrier. It's like 122 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: a protective barrier between me and you. We're going to 123 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: be fine. 124 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: So how through all the things you've done, how did 125 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: you get into humanotism? 126 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: Do you know what? I did? One term at Hogwarts? 127 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Harry Potter was in the other classroom and I no, 128 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: do you know what? It was? One of those things 129 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated with how the mind works. And 130 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: I've always had some kind of like one toe in 131 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: the entertainment world for everything I've done. And I saw 132 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: a hypnotist doing the show, and I thought I could 133 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: probably do that, and so I kind of went out 134 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: to try and find how I could do that, and 135 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: ye know what the psychology behind it was. And yeah, 136 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: then I put a show together and started rolling down 137 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: and see what would happen, and then you know, things 138 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: snow would very quickly. 139 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: So you're saying you just said, oh, I could do that, 140 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: and then you just put a show together and it worked. 141 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: There must be something in between besides your terms at Hogwarts. 142 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, obviously, you know. I delved into it. Wasn't 143 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: It wasn't like, oh, I think I could do that, 144 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: and the next week I was doing it. So no, 145 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: I delved into it. I was like reading up old 146 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: books about hypnosis. I was talking to hypnoties. I was 147 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: trying to get my hands on any training I could 148 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: get anywhere, like looking at shows. To be quite honest, 149 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: when I initially saw shows, I didn't I loved the 150 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: idea of it. I wasn't overly keen on the presentation 151 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: it always seemed to be more about making fun of people. 152 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: But I kind of always thought, you know, instead of 153 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: being in the audience and looking at what's going on 154 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: stage and laughing and thinking, oh, it's funny, but I'm 155 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: glad I'm not up there, wouldn't it be better if 156 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: you sat in the audience laughing, going oh wish it 157 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: was me up there? You know, it looks so much fun. 158 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 2: So that that's the approach I've had to it, And 159 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: so I kind of use the basic template of how 160 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: hypnotists were doing shows, but I guess modernized it a 161 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: lot more. You know, we get get away from the 162 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: swinging watches and the weird spirals and the strange stairs 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: because you know, we all kind of go into trancel 164 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: all the time. 165 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: So did you start practicing on friends or people or strangers. 166 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, friends would be like did that work? Have it now? 167 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: Did it work? 168 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: It worked? It worked sometimes, And that's the thing it was. 169 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's a numbers game, but the first time 170 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: it works properly, you just kind of think, oh, well 171 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: it does work. It's a little bit surprising, and you're thinking, wow, okay, 172 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: all right, there's something in it, and it's interesting when 173 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: I was doing that kind of you know, starting you 174 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: were just kind of mucking around with friends at parties 175 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: and around your house, that kind of thing. But when 176 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: you actually do your first show, you're almost like it's 177 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: almost like you got your fingers crossed behind your back, thinking, 178 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: geez a, I hope this works, because realistically, there's no 179 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: real practice for your first show except doing the first show, 180 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: because you know, until you get you know, twenty bodies 181 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: in those seats and actually do that thing, that's the 182 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: first time you're doing it, you know, on a stage 183 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: for real, and it's you know, there's no real practice 184 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: for that. 185 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: So you've studied up on it, you've given it a shot, 186 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: it's going it's working. Well, how does the hypnotism actually work? 187 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Because what I know I haven't I don't know very much. 188 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: But what I've absorbed is that it's kind of no 189 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: one's going to do anything that you tell them to 190 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: do unless they're kind of open to wanting to do 191 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: it in the first place. 192 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: That is that true? 193 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: Yah, It's true because you're not you're not in another world, 194 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: you're not zoombead, you're not unaware of what's going on. 195 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: And the way I explain it. I always say it's 196 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: like focusing on a thought so much it starts to 197 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: feel real in that moment. And when people are thinking, oh, 198 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if I could do that, Well, we 199 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: do it all the time. You know, if you watch 200 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: a sad movie and the dog dies, you can actually cry, 201 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: but you know that dog is actually still running around 202 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: earning zona ten thousand dollars a movie. But in that 203 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: moment when that happens, it feels real. You know, your 204 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: brain makes it feel real. You know, when you're dreaming 205 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: and you dream you're falling and you suddenly all kind 206 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: of wake yourself up or and like that, that's your 207 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: brain making it feel real in the moment. So we 208 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: do it all the time, and so I kind of 209 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: like move that state of mind to happen on purpose 210 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: on the stage. 211 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: This just so much mystery behind it all, because it 212 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: just doesn't how does it. How do you just get 213 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: a stranger up and convince them to do whatever you're 214 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: telling them to do. 215 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: It's just crazy. 216 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think what happens is when you see on 217 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: movies and TV, you don't really see the process. All 218 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: you see is someone going, oh, I'm sleep you know, 219 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: it looks crazy, it looks so unrealistic. But you know, 220 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: even when I do TV work, we're actually not allowed 221 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: to show the hypnotic part that precedes kind of the result. 222 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: So you might see the quick bit, but that quick 223 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: bit happens after we've you know, had a little bit 224 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: of prep with a person, taken them through that nice 225 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: relaxing you know, kind of stay focus on this, take 226 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: a deeper thing just and we're starting to kind of 227 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: disengage their mind from everything else going on around them 228 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: and starting to focus their imagination inwards. So in that 229 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: process that happens kind of off screen. If you see it 230 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: on TV or the movies, it's just crazy anyway. But 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: when we do it on stage and in a show, 232 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: you know that that part happens on the stage and 233 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: you see that process and for a lot of people, 234 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: because I don't want it to be mysterious, I don't 235 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: want it to be weird. I think hypnotis of years 236 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: gone by, that kind of cliche style they used to 237 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: make all this was a weird power I was born with, 238 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: or you know, this is full of mystery. I could 239 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: and I like, now it's that's complete rubbish, you know, 240 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: it's basic psychology. It's imagination, it's focus, it's concentration, and 241 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: so you know, I like to kind of make sure 242 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 2: that the audience can really follow along that process when 243 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: we do it on stage. But it kind of almost 244 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: makes sense now because you know, we're so much more 245 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: in tune with yoga, mindfulness, meditation, that kind of thing, 246 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: so that you know, I have so many people who 247 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: come off the stage after was going, oh man, that 248 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: was wild. But it was like when you did that 249 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: first part. Oh, it was just like when I'm at 250 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: yoga and the instructors doing our thing at the beginning. 251 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: So we're starting to become much more not aware, but 252 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: much more used to this. This using the state of mind. 253 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: Anyway, it's almost a form of manifestation. If you just 254 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: think about it so much, it just it would just 255 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: happened coming up. Why's even networks are fearful of airing 256 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: the full process of hypnosis. Matt goes one on one 257 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: with Mike Tyson, and by the end of this episode, 258 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: you will have all the skills you need to hypnotize 259 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: anyone in your life. So he wouldn't mad the hypnotist, 260 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: And why can't you show the full process of hypnosis. 261 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: Why can you only just show the fast bit on TV? 262 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting. I think you should be able to. 263 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: But I think what it is is that they think 264 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: that people could watch this and then become hypnotized at home, 265 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: and then that Hollywood thing plays into their minds, like, 266 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: oh what if these people are sat hypnotized at home 267 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: and they'll never get out of hypnotal, which is just rubbish, right, 268 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: But you know, there's that kind of thought process that 269 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: you know, you can't do that in case someone's yet 270 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: driving along and they're listening and then sudden they get 271 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: hypotized in their car. So you know, there's a level 272 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: of credibility to that. But I think that's an overcautious 273 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: thing to do, you know. I mean I do shows 274 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: with hundreds of people in the audience, and we don't 275 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: suddenly have like a hundred people in the audience. You know, 276 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: you zomked out by the end of the show because 277 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: they happen to be in the same room as hypnosis 278 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: was happening. 279 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: I know, I think you're beginning to be a bit 280 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: closer to James Bond than you think, because if you're 281 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: just hypnotizing people, people are obviously scared of you. They're scared, 282 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: they're terrified. The government scared of you. You know, the 283 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: TV networks are scared of you. You've got power. Maybe 284 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: you'll be the next villain on the Bond series instead. 285 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought of that. Do you have an e 286 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: villain name for me? 287 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: Hypno Guy doesn't sound really good, But so you said that, 288 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson said, you're amazing. Please explain, Please tell me 289 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: the real story. 290 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: Now, that was a really weird momented time. A number 291 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: of years ago. I was in Vegas doing some Hypno 292 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: stuff over there, and I went out for lunch, and 293 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: then across the way from where I was having lunch 294 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: there was Mike Tyson was doing some kind of signing 295 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: in some memorabilia shop. So I thought, wouldn't it be 296 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: fun if I go in and try and do something 297 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: with him, So basically, you know, the mind I tried 298 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: to show me, you know, try to do the next thing. 299 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: But I actually walked round to the other side and 300 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: sat down, stuck my hand out, said Mike, look up here, 301 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: look me in the eye right now. So I've now 302 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: got his hat, so only his mind is kind of 303 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: what's going on and I just thought, look, I'm either 304 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: going to get absolutely wallopped here or or taken out 305 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: or whatever, but either that would be a good story. Yeah, yeah, 306 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: right right, yes, you know we're thinking the same right, so, 307 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: so good story either way. So you know, I kind 308 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: of end up doing a couple of funny little things 309 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: where I'm looking at that say do this, say this, 310 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: and then you know, next thing is yelling at the 311 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: top of his voice and yeah, you're amazing, You're going 312 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: to take over the world, this kind of thing. And 313 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: then at that point the handler moved in and said, 314 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: you've got to get out of here. 315 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: Can you please leave? Thank you. 316 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: What is the community like? Is it a rather small community? 317 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: And if so, are there are there any impostors? Do 318 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: you think are any rumors of impostors who aren't actually 319 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: very good at hypnotizing, but they you know, maybe just 320 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: put a plant in there. 321 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I like drama, I 322 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: love gossip. 323 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: Uh, it's look, it's such a small community. There's I mean, 324 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: there's really only a handful of in Australia who would 325 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: be doing this full time, and so you know, we 326 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: kind of get to know each other. But I mean, 327 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: as for you know, what you say, impostor, I don't 328 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: think there'd be anyone out there willingly being an impostor. 329 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: I guess, you know, there's hobbyists who are trying to 330 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: trying to make it happen. But as for a plants, 331 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: you just don't need it because if you if you 332 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: do a show that's good enough where you are able 333 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: to first of all, get you know, twenty people to 334 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: want to take part in your show initially. Well then 335 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: out that twenty people, you're always going to get a 336 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: number of people who are going to be great, you know, 337 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: at being very highly suggestible. They've already used their mind 338 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: for similar things in the past, so it's it feels 339 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: natural and normal to them. And there are a section 340 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: of the of people in general who are just naturally, 341 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, susceptible to be very good at this. We 342 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: called a somnambulis that's like very hypnotizable, and so there's 343 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: that across all walks of life anyway. So it's a 344 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: bit of a numbers game obviously, you know, the better 345 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: you are at your processes and that you're going to 346 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: get more out of the people. But I guess even 347 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: with a bad show. You'd probably be able to get 348 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: enough to make a show happen. 349 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: What do you say, sabam a mammalilis? 350 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: I like that word better. I like that word better. Somnambulist. 351 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: Oh yes, somnambulist. Yeah yeah, yeah. 352 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: What are the identifying qualities of a somnambulus? 353 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 3: Can you? 354 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: Can? 355 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: You just look at them and go, you come up here, 356 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: you'll be good. 357 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: Not not really, I mean I can definitely, you know, 358 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: if you're talking about hypnosis and someone's like completely fascinating, 359 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: they're just like they're just hanging on every word. They're 360 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: definitely a few steps along the way and there, you know, 361 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: and like you joked earlier, it's like, oh, you know, 362 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: don't look in my eyes that kind of thing. I 363 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: do get that a lot, which for some people, for 364 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: most people is a bit of a joke. But there 365 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: are some people who genuinely think that, you know, if 366 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: they look at me, something's going to happen. So they're 367 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: already talking themselves into that. And what I love doing 368 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: with those people is basically if someone goes, oh, you're 369 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 2: not doing something already, are you, And I just love 370 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: to tap them gently on the shower and go No, 371 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: of course not and just kind of really build on that. 372 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: I'm written, build on that. 373 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: But it's lighting down. That's very good, guess lighting. So, yeah, 374 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: what happens when things don't go to the plan? No 375 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: show is going to be the same, right, They're going 376 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: to be different every time. How do you learn to 377 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: adapt with that? And what's B mode versus C mode 378 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: versus you know, set the place on fire and run out? 379 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's great. It's great because obviously, you know, 380 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: you've got fifteen twenty people on stage, you've never worked 381 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: with them before. Some people act on a suggestion one way, 382 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: something like act on it another way. It's not like 383 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: what happens when things don't go the way you know, 384 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: on those rare occasions, it's almost like every night, it's 385 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: every night something different happens, and so it's it's a 386 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: bit improvy style, I guess really, you know, because you'll 387 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: start to you know, you will bounce off what happens, 388 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 2: you know in that show. So if someone gets up 389 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: and does the most ridiculous dance you've ever done, even 390 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: though the suggestion was like get up and be whatever 391 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: the station was, but then suddenly they're doing a dance 392 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: that the audience thinks is hilarious, Well, we're going to 393 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: use that again later in the show, or you know 394 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: that we'll kind of build on that. So if they 395 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: say something, do something that's not quite expected but it 396 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: works really well, well we're going to build on that. 397 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: If it's just totally unexpected and it doesn't add anything 398 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: extra to the show, just kind of move on to 399 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: the next thing. 400 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: So what is the difference between a hypnotist and a 401 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: hypnot therapist. 402 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. So essentially both have 403 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 2: the skills to hypnotize people, you know, and we're using 404 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: what we might call a hypnotic induction, which is that 405 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: kind of process where that gets you relaxed and focused 406 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: us your imagination and really kind of disconnecting from kind 407 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: of externally so you can really focus on, you know 408 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: what the hypnosis saying. Obviously, with the hypnotherapy, we're working 409 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: on people one on one to get to a certain 410 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: result they're trying to get to. Now, whether it's you know, 411 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: curing a fear of spiders, or whether it's a quit 412 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 2: smoking or more or more commonly now to quit vaping. 413 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: Your mind has got a certain program that's been running. 414 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: It's either a program you've accidentally taught, it's taught you 415 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: to do, like smoking or vaping. You know you've you've 416 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: done it so many times that your brain kind of 417 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: switches off and goes, oh, don't worry, I'll run that 418 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: program for you. But then the day you think, yeah, 419 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, my health isn't good smoking or vaping. 420 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: I want to stop, but that program still running, which 421 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: kind of makes you grab the vape or grab the smoke. So, 422 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: you know, we kind of show you the ways that 423 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: you can use your mind to kind of adjust that program, 424 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: same as you know, irrational phobias and fears. 425 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: I guess technically a hypnotherapist could do what you do, 426 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: but probably wouldn't do it very well. 427 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: Or Yeah, so actually this is a really good thing 428 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: because I think if you're already a performer and the entertainer, 429 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: you're used to the stage and people and you know, 430 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: engaging crowds and things like that, it's much easier to 431 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: pin hypnosis skill skills on an existing performer show than 432 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: it is to kind of like have the hypnosis skills 433 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: but then teach the performance side someone like yourself. Natural entertainer, 434 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: you know, born performer, right, you know it's it's it 435 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: just comes naturally. 436 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you've told me that because now I 437 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: don't have to become a hypnotherapist. I can become a 438 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: stage hypnotist. So because I'm really. 439 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: Natural on the stage, you know, I light up a room. 440 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: Love me. 441 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: So I was wondering if you could give me some 442 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: pointers on how I would hypnotize someone. 443 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: Yep, nice and easy. You're just gonna close your eyes 444 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: because that takes out a lot of other visual stimuli 445 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: going into your mind. 446 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: Close your eyes, Okay. 447 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: I usually prefer people to have their eyes closed when 448 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: they're watching me on stage anyway, So that works. 449 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's perfect. 450 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: We're working halfway there. Tick excellent, tick, and then just 451 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: some basic things. You're just going to start to get 452 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: people disconnecting from what's going on around so you're going 453 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: to start to direct their imagination in different places. So 454 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: at the start, it's just like, imagine the way that 455 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: your hand is just like resting on your lap there. Now, 456 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: direct your direct your mind to your foot, and you 457 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: just feel what that feels underneath you. Because what's happening 458 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: there is they can't at the same and then think 459 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: of like, oh, there's four hundred people watching me out 460 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: there and blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know, 461 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: you're busying their mind with something else, and so you 462 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: can then start to put much more developed things to 463 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: imagine into their mind. That's it. 464 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Well, I thought what I could do. I could do 465 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: heads down, thumbs up. I think that'd be really handy. 466 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: So everyone put your heads down thumbs up, because we 467 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: all know that from primary school. So I think that'd 468 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: be really good. Yes, just you know they yeah, and 469 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: they heads of down so they can't see, so they're 470 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: all right. So I've got them with their heads down, 471 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: their thumbs are up there, they're now They're minds are 472 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: now not thinking about anything except for the thumbs and 473 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: the heads. How do I then insert a new suggestion 474 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: for a sub it's a good a person that one. 475 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for one of those for sure. Yeah. 476 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: I mean you can literally then just go straight into it. 477 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: Like the other fact, do you. 478 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: Know, buy my book, buy my book, go on big 479 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: w and buy my book Google. 480 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: Right now here. I'm there right now. So you are 481 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: a natural? You were a natural? 482 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: So that was Matt the hypnotist and not the zombra 483 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: instructor but us. That's all one new skills to the test. 484 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: You are getting. 485 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Sleepy, size sleepy. And when I click my fingers you 486 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: won't click that follow BT and also Jenny, now I'm nodding. 487 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 2: I look on the socials. 488 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: Did it work? Concealed with that? Simon is an iHeart 489 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: production