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Speaker 1: I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of

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Speaker 1: pay respect to the elders and communities of the many

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Speaker 1: lands where you, our listeners, are joining us. Today we

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Speaker 1: honor the continuing connection to country culture and story. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm Mondonarabels and welcome to Find and Tell, the podcast

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Speaker 1: where we hand the mic to the next generation of

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Speaker 1: First Nation storytellers. Each episode, our storytellers are given a

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Speaker 1: theme and set loose to find and tell a story

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Speaker 1: from their world in their voice. The stories are raw,

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Speaker 1: original and unapologetically black, and today we close the season

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Speaker 1: with one of the boldest voices in the country, Dobby.

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Speaker 1: Dobby is a proud Maruwori and Filipino musician for fusing

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Speaker 1: hip hop with culture, resistance, and heart. Today you'll hear

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Speaker 1: how Dobby got his name from a Taekwindo teacher who

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Speaker 1: saw something in him. You hear about the moment at

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Speaker 1: just fourteen years old, when he realized music could be

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Speaker 1: a tool for real change. And you'll hear how he's

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Speaker 1: So for the final time this season, this is fight.

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Speaker 2: Lately, I've been thinking about how we fight. What does

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Speaker 2: it mean to fight? I'm not talking about with fists,

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Speaker 2: but something deeper, the fight for justice, the fight for country,

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Speaker 2: the fight within. What is the real fight? My name

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Speaker 2: is Dobby, and this is how I fight. I was

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Speaker 2: about ten years old when Kim Dalton gave me a name, Dobby.

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Speaker 2: She was my taekwondo teacher, an incredibly inspiring lightning fast

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Speaker 2: fight with focus, not rage, and when she passed away,

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Speaker 2: I carried the name she gave me to keep that

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Speaker 2: she's with me. After we told the story of how

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Speaker 2: hip hop made its way to our country. Now it's

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Speaker 2: about who picks up the mic. Dobby isn't just a

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Speaker 2: She saw the fighter in every student she had. She

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Speaker 2: We lost a true fighter. But I carried that name

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Speaker 2: that she gave me, and I still do. I remember

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Speaker 2: one morning, while I was getting ready for school, my

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Speaker 2: friend texted me, Dobby, your song is being played on

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Speaker 2: turned on mum's high fire system and tuned in. And

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Speaker 1: If you know this artist, our number is eight nine

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Speaker 1: two seven one two three four, please call it.

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Speaker 2: I grabbed my phone and dialed the number. Hello, Yes,

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Speaker 2: this is Dobby. At age fourteen, I couldn't have known

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Speaker 3: Do you believe your music promotes gang violence in Marilla?

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Speaker 2: What what do you have to say for yourself? I

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Speaker 2: didn't have the words. I was just a kid who

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Speaker 2: suddenly I was wearing all those assumptions, whether I liked

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Speaker 2: world of postcode gang mentality. See At that time, the

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Speaker 2: How can the music that makes me feel so good

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Speaker 2: Warrangu River Story is not just an album. It's a warning,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to find and tell as musician Dobby tackles

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Speaker 1: as Dobby shares how his journey in music became a

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Speaker 2: The fight for water is often framed as political, but

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Speaker 2: For Aunt Lily. Caring for culture means standing up to

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Speaker 4: We are looking at different ways to share this story

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Speaker 4: we've always been smart. Our people made rain. We have

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Speaker 4: we told oral stories. Our people made weapons and tools.

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Speaker 4: It all is art, weaving. They're all living cultural art forms.

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Speaker 4: I think that's really important, and I do it for

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Speaker 2: for more role models, for Kim, who taught me that

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Speaker 2: Even I broke down during my song Ancestor because I

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Speaker 2: There's a magic that happens within the process of performance,

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Speaker 2: to the late great Kim Dalton. The fight alive.

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Speaker 2: I received my Taekwondo black belt from Kim, but the

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Speaker 2: Hip Hop is my stance. It's where I plant my feet,

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Speaker 2: it's where I breathe, where I speak back. Hip Hop

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Speaker 1: it's legacy, and it's how we carry the ones who

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Speaker 1: that's about reconnecting with the inner child, healing, and stepping

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Speaker 1: To our incredible storytellers. Thank you Micah kick It for

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Speaker 1: showing us how to find freedom in duality, Aliah Jade

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Speaker 1: Bradbury for honoring the strength of legacy and claiming space

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Speaker 1: Each of them have gifted us with a story that

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Speaker 1: for walking this road with us, for showing up with curiosity, compassion,

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Speaker 1: Black Cast podcast Network. We've got more voices to come,

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Speaker 1: more truths to tell, more stories to find. I'm Ndan

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Speaker 1: Arabels and this has been find and Tell. Find and

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Speaker 1: Tell is a co production between iHeart Australia and the

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Speaker 1: black Cast podcast network. Black Cast empowers First Nations people

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Speaker 1: showcasing exciting emergent talent from Australian communities