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Speaker 1: A lot of different reactions to the government's announcement on

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Speaker 1: Monday about alcohol restrictions across the Northern Territory and the

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Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars which is set to be invested

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Speaker 1: on various programs in.

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Speaker 2: The Red Center.

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Speaker 1: That is the two point fifty that was announced earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week and an additional forty eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: which had been announced last year. Now joining me on

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Speaker 1: the show is the Police Association President Paul McHugh.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Paul, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Paul.

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Speaker 2: What was your.

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Speaker 1: Reaction to the announcement earlier in the week when the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government sort of finally came forward and said

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Speaker 1: that as of Tuesday next week they're going to be

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Speaker 1: introducing that legislation to Parliament and there will be blanket

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Speaker 1: bans on alcohol again. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we've been calling for these types of restrictions to

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Speaker 3: return up, certainly on the back of the statistics that

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Speaker 3: blew out in the latter part of last year, and

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Speaker 3: certainly the feedback from our members is the cessation of

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Speaker 3: that Stronger Futures legislation led to an enormous amount or

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Speaker 3: volumes of alcohol in our community. So certainly we welcome

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Speaker 3: the announcement around the return of those restrictions. Obviously that

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Speaker 3: legislation going through Parliament, hopefully in the coming sittings, and

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Speaker 3: then we'll see what that looks like. But certainly the

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Speaker 3: feedback from our members is they're pleas without announcement, albeit

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Speaker 3: albeit it took a long time to get there.

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Speaker 1: Those statistics, you know, they were shocking what you see

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Speaker 1: in the Darrell Anderson report. I'm sure that you've had

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Speaker 1: a look through it, Paul, and I'm sure that probably

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Speaker 1: a lot of those stats to the Northern Territories police

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Speaker 1: officers are unsurprising.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not. And of course the impact of some

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Speaker 3: of those statistics, I mean they're enormous figures when you

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Speaker 3: talk about you know, in the twelve months to the

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Speaker 3: end of last year, nearly twenty three percent of the

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Speaker 3: population of our springs had been subjected to an assault,

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Speaker 3: in an alcohol related assault, domestic violence or sexual assault.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are huge numbers, nearly six thousand people

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Speaker 3: subject of a crime, and of course the flow on

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Speaker 3: of that is the impact of policing and other frontline services.

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Speaker 3: But our members have, you know, the workload for them

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Speaker 3: has just simply went through the roof lash year to

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Speaker 3: unsustainable levels. So terrible statistics and no doubt the catalyst

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Speaker 3: for some change now, Paul.

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Speaker 1: From what you are being told by officers on the

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Speaker 1: ground when it comes now to resourcing, because you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously you and I spoke last week as well about

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Speaker 1: the resourcing in Central Australia. There is that additional surge

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Speaker 1: of police there, the Chief Ministers making it very clear

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Speaker 1: she wants that surge to stay in the Red Center.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think that's going to mean for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: Well, without recruiting the additional people, of course, it leave

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Speaker 3: shortfalls in other key areas, and of course we know

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Speaker 3: our Springs has been the focus, but we know, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's certainly other areas within the territory that flare up

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Speaker 3: from time to time, and there's also just the standard

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Speaker 3: requirements to service the community of the Northern Territory, both

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Speaker 3: Darwin and other regional remote areas. You know, without recruiting

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister that those people, those additional members will remain,

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Speaker 3: you are essentially robbing paid to pay Paul, and it's

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Speaker 3: not sustainable. And I think the other thing, Katie, through

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Speaker 3: these announcements, through the two hundred and fifty million that

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Speaker 3: was announced, very little in there for policing from what

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Speaker 3: we can see, and of course the forteen the four

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Speaker 3: aene point two million that was announced earlier. We talks

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Speaker 3: about how visibility police and law enforcement operations, but we

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Speaker 3: don't really know what that actually means. They also talk

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Speaker 3: about liqual licensing compliance inspectors. Now we don't even know

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Speaker 3: how many of those you know, there are out there

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Speaker 3: alone what that means for policing, So very little money

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Speaker 3: for police by the look of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was going to be my next question because

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Speaker 1: obviously we'd seen that there has been this major funding

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Speaker 2: So Paul, has any of that been earmarked.

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Speaker 1: For additional police or for resourcing for the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: police from what you can gather.

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Speaker 3: No, No, nothing at all as far as we can gather.

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Speaker 3: I think it's purely to keep those numbers down there

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Speaker 3: that comes at a cost, so no doubt there'll be

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Speaker 3: some money channeled into that resource requirement. But of course

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Speaker 3: when you're looking longer term and you're looking at if

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Speaker 3: we need forty extra police there for that many months

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Speaker 3: of the year, well clearly we're under strength there and

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Speaker 3: that investment has to come through the NT government in

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Speaker 3: the upcoming budget. I mean, you can't expect police to

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Speaker 3: of the year down there in Alice when simply they

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Speaker 3: just need to recruit more police. It's quite as simple

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Speaker 1: Paul. Let's talk about that budget because we know that

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Speaker 1: the last time you and I spoke was around this time,

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Speaker 1: actually last week, and at the time the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police Minister had been photographed holding a budget paper for consideration,

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Speaker 1: is what she'd said. I don't think you'd seen that

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Speaker 1: fight at that point in time. I'm assuming that you

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Speaker 1: have since then. Have you had discussions with the police

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Speaker 1: it's going to get a budget cut?

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Speaker 3: Look, I have spoken with the Minister. Obviously, you know

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Speaker 3: she advises that obviously they review documents from various departments

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Speaker 3: from time to time. That one sent shivers through the

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Speaker 3: spines of our members. I can tell you when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about reducing frontline services when they are already you know,

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Speaker 3: bare bones as we speak. You know, we're struggling to

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Speaker 3: fill the numbers now. So but we are assured that

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Speaker 3: that did not proceed. We are assured there'll be no

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Speaker 3: no cuts in the coming year or two. But of course,

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Speaker 3: with the pressure on the budget, you know, we never

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Speaker 3: there will not be cuts to the front line.

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Speaker 1: Paul, I know that the Northern Territory Police Association. I've

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Speaker 1: actually obtained a copy of a survey that is currently

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Speaker 1: being conducted by the association.

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Speaker 2: Now my understanding is that it is in.

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Speaker 1: Relation to the wage freeze or the pay for our

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory police.

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Speaker 2: There's five questions in there.

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Speaker 1: One of them do you believe there are enough police

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Speaker 1: one is how do you rate the current morale? The

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Speaker 1: third one how do you feel or do you feel

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Speaker 1: supported by the Northern Territory government in your role as

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Speaker 1: for a new consent agreement? And the fifth have you

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Speaker 1: considered an exit strategy from the Northern Territory Police Force

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Speaker 1: at any time in the last six to twelve months now?

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that this has gone out to all of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Katie. That was distributed yesterday. And know,

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Speaker 3: certainly on the back of those two reasons essentially for

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Speaker 3: pushing out that survey, and one we did undertake a

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Speaker 3: survey last year as you know, and a couple of

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Speaker 3: those questions you've just mentioned appear from that survey last year,

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Speaker 3: so it's important to get on the back of that

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Speaker 3: increased workload, on the back of some of the comments

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Speaker 3: the other ones, of course relate to the frustration our

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Speaker 3: from government when they haven't come to the table with

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Speaker 3: a pay deal yet that we find satisfactory for the

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Speaker 3: work that they've done on behalf of the government the

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Speaker 3: quite clearly, we've had nelly quarter of the entire police

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Speaker 3: And yet we've had well over four hundred responses to

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Speaker 3: that survey and we only pushed it out a midday yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Than four hundred sponsors in that period of time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're three hundred in the first three hours.

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Speaker 3: So you can sense the frustration of our membership. And

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Speaker 3: whilst I won't go into specific results to ship because

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Speaker 3: obviously the survey is still open, certainly the trends are

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Speaker 3: damning and you know the government will need to listen

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Speaker 3: to some of the results of this survey because our

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Speaker 1: Goodness, mate, So well over four hundred responses in that

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Speaker 1: period of time, Paul, are you getting a bit of

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Speaker 1: a feel for how police officers are feeling very frustrated.

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Speaker 3: I mean they have been waiting patiently, we're negotiations for

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Speaker 3: over twelve months. They haven't had a pay rise for

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Speaker 3: eighteen months, all at a time when they continually turn

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Speaker 3: up to work under resourced, they do whatever they need

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Speaker 3: I mean they are frustrated. The senses that they are

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Speaker 1: Paul. One of the things that is asked in that

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Speaker 1: give me any further involve at this point, but one

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Speaker 1: of those questions is has you have you considered an

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Speaker 1: exit strategy from the Northern Territory Police Force at any

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Speaker 1: time in the last six to twelve months. Do you

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Speaker 1: look are you able to tell us whether there has

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Speaker 1: been much feedback from that question as to whether.

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Speaker 2: People are.

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Speaker 3: I think you know certainly your feedback even before the surveys,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of people that have been considering

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Speaker 3: their options around their career with the NT Police and

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Speaker 3: I think you look at the attrition rate that has

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Speaker 3: been sitting over ten percent for the last two or

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Speaker 3: three years, certainly one of the highest in the country.

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Speaker 3: So it was really important for us to understand, you know,

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Speaker 3: whilst those people have already exited, it's actually really important

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Speaker 3: maybe change out. And we've said for a long time

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Speaker 3: the investment has to be with the current members and

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Speaker 3: trying to keep those members. Now that question is really important,

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Speaker 3: and certainly indications earlier that there are a large portion

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Speaker 3: of people that have considered that exit strategy, but we're

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Speaker 3: obviously still waiting for those stats to coming in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, when are you expecting that you're going to

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Speaker 1: have those final numbers and all of those stats gathered

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Speaker 1: and what's the plan with them? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, obviously the surveys home for two weeks open yesterday

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Speaker 3: and so it'll be a fortnight from now that we'll

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Speaker 3: have some concrete results. But certainly that will dictate the

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Speaker 3: next phase of our campaign in relation to the pay deal.

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Speaker 3: We're certainly hoping and obviously no one wants to see

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Speaker 3: police take action, work to rule and those sorts of things,

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Speaker 3: but certainly the message is coming through loud and clear

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Speaker 3: that our members are prepared to do that.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty big call, and I think

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Speaker 1: the people would be really quite worried if we're in

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Speaker 1: a situation where that had to happen. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, and you certainly want to reassure the public and

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Speaker 3: this is the case in any of these sorts of actions.

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Speaker 3: You know that there will still be a response and

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Speaker 3: time of need. But you know, it's certainly quite clear

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Speaker 3: that our members are sick of waiting and they've done

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Speaker 3: enough for this government and they want to see a

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Police Association President Paul mchue appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: As always, no doubt we'll talk once that two weeks

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Speaker 1: is up to find out a little bit more detail

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Speaker 1: about the survey results.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie, no problem.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Good one itch is