1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: News twice a week. 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: journalist Kate and Amy. Coming up on today's show, Mia 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: plas SI's controversial take on the US abortion ruling as 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: she binds defends her baby name, Tammy Cambrose postparter mirror Selfie, 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: and Sophie Gwidland's engagement surprise. But first, Sophie, I feel 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: like we need to hold a little bit of an 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: intervention for yourself and Brandon because your obsession with Love 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Island is getting a little bit out of hand. I mean, 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: you're sipping your drink bottle here now like the Love 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Island crew. 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay hydrated. 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: Apparently Brandon's gone out and bought the same sunglasses as 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: well as the sunglasses chain as Luca. Look, what is happening? 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Is he booked in for veneers as well tattoos. I'm sorry, 18 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: but I am very pleased that he has gotten on 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: board the Love Island train with me. It is the 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: most incredible reality show. For our listeners who have not 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: yet started watching it, We've been watching every night. They 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: put out six episodes a week seven if you include 23 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes bit, and it's just not enough. 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: It's like a drug. 25 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: I need it hooked to my veins. 26 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: I want to know. Everyone on Love Island has been saying, 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: who's your top three? If you were on the show, 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: you walked in as a bombshell and they asked you 29 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: for your top three, who are you picking? I reckon 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: Andrew is very sweet. He was my first pick when 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: he came in. He's this blonde guy who's a real 32 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: estate agent's I think he is blonde anyway, he's sandy like, 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: he's very chosy brown. Maybe I don't know, massy brown. 34 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I would also pick Luca because I think he is hilarious. 35 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: I think he's got the best personality in the house. 36 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: He's actually quite hot too. Is it also because you 37 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: want the dirt on Saffron Barker? 38 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: Oh? 39 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: See, this is hard. 40 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I want to top four because I also I think 41 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: Jackson is pretty hot, and also dover Day is hot. 42 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: I reckon, I go for Jack's over du Day. Oh 43 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: I got David Day in there. He's the hottest guy 44 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: I've probably ever seen. The Day is my top one, 45 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: Like if I had to just choose one again, like, 46 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: he's funny, but I reckon you'd have nothing to say 47 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: to him. This is a summer romance, Sophie, this is 48 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Love Island. But yeah, I think Davia Day would be 49 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: in my top three purely because he's a beautiful man. 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: He's arrogant as but I kind. 51 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: Of like his quirky little personality that he's got going 52 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: on at the moment. Now, Amy, I'm guessing your three 53 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: choices would be Dava Day, Dava Day, and Daba Day. 54 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: Augh. 55 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: So no, so I would go Dava Day, Jack's and Andrew. 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I do find Dammy pretty bloody funny. He could be 57 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: in there, and I really saw a nice soft side 58 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: of Jack's. He went up in my books when he 59 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: was talking to Page as well. But Luca is also 60 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: very good, but I find him a bit over the top. 61 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: With Gemma, that's kind of putting me off a bit. 62 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: I can see why she's not into it as well. 63 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: I think his personality is closest to my partner in 64 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: the fact that Brandon, as soon as he met me, 65 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: he was like, that's it, not talking to anyone else. 66 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Very locked me in, so maybe that's why I like him. 67 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: One thing that is getting on Brandon's nerves though, when 68 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: we watch Love Island is the fact that I can't 69 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: stop myself from tisking throughout. 70 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I don't even notice that 71 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm doing it. 72 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: Every time Eck and Sue or Tash is on, He's like, 73 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: he's shut up. 74 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: So it's like I'm judgment leaping. He's so judgmental. 75 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: I wanted to quickly come on here and clear a 76 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: few things up. Some things went down over the weekend 77 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: that I want to discuss. A few months ago, I 78 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: shared my view and opinion about everything that's happening in 79 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: the world online, and in doing that, I have realized 80 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: that I have hurt, armed, and upset a lot of people. 81 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Controversial slickstick owner Mia Plastic has been slammed for conflating 82 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: abortion rights with the Victorian government's COVID lockdown and vaccine mandates. 83 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: Now. 84 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Firstly Kate who is miaplasic Well, She's a thirty year 85 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: old entrepreneur from Melbourne who owns Slick Hair company, which 86 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: is stocked in coals. And Mia is a divisive figure 87 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: who has attracted attention for supporting an attendant anti lockdown protests. 88 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: She also allegedly shared on her Instagram account that she 89 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: planned to find a black market doctor to sign a 90 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: COVID passport for her so she could travel now. She 91 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: did end up getting called out for her political views, 92 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: and she since apologized, saying that she would not be 93 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: sharing her political views anymore. But if anything, she's been 94 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: more vocal about them now. 95 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: Sophy, can you. 96 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: Tell us what's unfolded over the weekend? 97 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 98 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: Well, on Saturday morning, we woke up to discover the 99 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: news that millions of American women had lost the legal 100 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: right to have an abortion. The US Court overturned Row 101 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: and Wade's landmark ruling, which for nearly half a century 102 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: had permitted terminations during the first two trimesters of pregnancy. 103 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: It is now up to each state to determine whether 104 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: women can have legal abortions, so around half of the 105 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: states are expected to ban or heavily restrict women's access 106 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: to abortions. The decision didn't come as a shock, as 107 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: for weeks now, it was widely predicted that this would 108 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: be the outcome. After all, it was the purpose of 109 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: President Trump's three Supreme Court selections and also the culmination 110 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: of a decade long campaign by anti abortionists. Now my 111 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: news feed on Saturday morning was filled with a lot 112 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: of sadness, disbelief and outrage, and instead of condemning the news, 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: Mia Plask took it as an opportunity to condemn what 114 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: she saw as a double standard. She said that the 115 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: US Supreme's Court decision to overturn abortion right is no 116 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: different to the loss of freedom's Australians face from COVID 117 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: lockdowns and vaccine mandates. Mia re shared a post from 118 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: David the Medium who wrote, I'm seeing more opinions from 119 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: Australians on domestic issues in the US than I ever 120 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: saw from people in Melbourne or Australia in general, when 121 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: Victoria Police was shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protests last year, 122 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: or when government enforced mandates surrounding medical procedures were coming 123 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: into play, for example. You want to have a public 124 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: opinion on human rights, post them all over your stories 125 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: and look like a hero on social media, then pick 126 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: a lane now. When she shared this Instagram story, Mia 127 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: did clapping hands and wrote what David said. She then 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: followed it up by penning her own thoughts. She wrote, 129 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: why is it okay to be pro choice about one 130 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: human right but not the other. The same people who 131 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: were against freedom of choice with mandates are the same 132 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: people who were screaming freedom of choice about abortions. It 133 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, freedom of choice regardless of your narrative. Now, 134 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: Instagram account Ozzie influencer Opinions was quick to condemn the entrepreneur. 135 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: In a series of posts. The account wrote warning, purchasing 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: slickhare means you're supporting this. So the page also alleged 137 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: that slickare had turned comments off their posts, which they 138 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: said was an attempt to silence people's comments of concern 139 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: and outrage. Now, a reporter from news dot com dot 140 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: au also weighed in by the name of Alex Turner Cohen, 141 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: so she reached out to Mia for comment. Mia slammed 142 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: the journal on her Instagram, so she screenshotted the chain 143 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: of emails and shared them to her sixteen thousand followers. 144 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: She wrote slow news day with a sleeping emoji. Considering 145 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: this is one of the. 146 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: Largest news stories. 147 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Going around, probably in a decade, I thought it was 148 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: pretty appalling for her to infer that it was a 149 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: slow newsday. I think she's referring to it's a slow 150 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: newsday because of her inclusion in the story. But how 151 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: small minded do you have to be that you are 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: going to put out this comment when everyone is so 153 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: outraged and upset about this disgusting decision, and you're trying 154 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: to push your own agenda. How do you not think 155 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: that you're going to get dragged into the narrative. 156 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 157 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: There's anyone stupid enough to go against what everyone's been 158 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 1: saying in this outpouring of support for the American women, 159 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: especially when she's found herself in the media previously for 160 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: speaking out about her alleged anti VAX's views. Now, going 161 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: back to this email exchange between her and the journal, 162 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: it was pretty funny. So I would like to play 163 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: the role of Mia Kate. Would you like to be 164 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: the journal Alex Yeah, sure, all right, you kick us off. 165 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm a journalist from news dot com dot AU. I'm 166 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: seeking comment about your latest insta story. Does this mean 167 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: your anti abortion? How do you think the two issues 168 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: are even. 169 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: Slightly related to each other? 170 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: What do you have to say about all the criticism 171 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: towards your post? We're running a story asap. Absolutely not, Alex. 172 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can take that out of 173 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: what I said. How on earth did you take that 174 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: I'm anti abortion from that I'm pro choice, Your body, 175 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: your choice, period. I had over five hundred people supporting 176 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: my message. Five to ten people like you took it 177 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,359 Speaker 1: as me being anti abortion. I don't toy with stupidity. 178 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I find it amusing that Mia is saying that only 179 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: five to ten people took her out of context, and 180 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: she didn't mean that she wasn't pro choice, because it's 181 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: not five to ten people. It's literally the majority of 182 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: people that have seen her post that think that same way. 183 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: There were four hundred and twenty eight comments on Ossie 184 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Inflorence's Opinions condemning her opinion, and she did share this 185 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: screen recording of the amount of followers sending her class 186 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: hands to her posts. And I feel like saying, that's 187 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: because you actually don't have that many followers. 188 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: It's all your friends who are replying to you. 189 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: You're in this bubble a very like minded people who 190 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: think this way, who are. 191 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: From the United Party. I'm assuming. 192 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: I think it was a bad way of her to 193 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: respond to this journalist it was a very disrespectful response. 194 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: I also think it was a bad PR response because 195 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: she didn't say, please find at touch blow my statement. 196 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: She literally is allowing this journalist to print these quotes 197 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: because she hasn't said, look, I'm giving you this information 198 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: off the record. Yeah, she could have completely shot it 199 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: down and been like, oh, I'm so sorry, I really 200 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: didn't mean to come across this way. 201 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: Could you please not publish something like this. 202 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: She's actually given the journalist exactly what she wanted. It 203 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: would have even been better if she had just ignored 204 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: the email. 205 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 206 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: She seems so shocked that people would jump to the 207 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: conclusion that she was anti abortion. 208 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that. 209 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,119 Speaker 1: She initially didn't share any posts or Instagram stories condemning 210 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court's ruling. Instead, she decided to use 211 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: very distressing news to push her own agenda and take 212 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: a swipe at the Victorian government. And for those who 213 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: don't know, her partner, Justin Borg recently ran as a 214 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: candidate for Clive Palmer's United Party and he shared a 215 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: very similar sentiment on Saturday morning. So he jumped on 216 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: Twitter and wrote the radical left of saying my body 217 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: my choice in relation to abortion. Have they all of 218 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: a sudden forgot what they have been campaigning about on 219 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: the unvaccinated or is that only when it suits their narrative. 220 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: He then shared his own tweet to his Instagram account 221 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: and wrote lefties are hypocrites. He then took a shot 222 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: at journo Stephen Quatermain, who wrote Australia is not perfect, 223 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: but every day I become more thankful that I and 224 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: my family live here. It's not a basic right to 225 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: own a gun and it's a woman's right to have 226 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: a choice. Now. Justin responded to Stephen's tweet, saying one 227 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: hundred percent agree, But where were you when unvaccinated Australians 228 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: couldn't put food on their table or participate in society. 229 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: That's right, just pick and choose what's popular. I'm surprised 230 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: your bio isn't he him. He then did emojis of 231 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: injections and the Ukrainian flag, pointing to the fact that 232 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Steven is apparently virtue signaling by having this view on abortions, 233 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: when in actual fact everyone's been calling out for more 234 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: men like Stephen Cortermain to actually share. Sadly, this sentiment 235 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: on my Wow, these two seem like a perfect pairing, 236 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: and MIA's rea action is just so perplexing to me. 237 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: And when it was announced, she didn't utter a single 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: word about the devastating consequences that this ruling has for 239 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: millions of women across America. She was more concerned about 240 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: changing the topic and labeling very warranted outrage as double standards. 241 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: It is utterly repulsive to me that Mia and her 242 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: partner Justin are trying to compare vaccine mandates with abortion rights. 243 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: Not being able to go to your favorite restaurant or 244 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: travel because you're unwilling to get vaccinated against a highly 245 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: contagious virus is not the same as being thrown into 246 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: jail for choosing not to carry a pregnancy full term. 247 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a million reasons women choose to 248 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: get an abortion, whether it's being the product of rape 249 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: or incest, or for medical reasons like the feet is 250 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: dying inside you, or lifestyle situations like financial hardship or 251 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: wrong timing, a lack of family support, or simply because 252 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: it's your body and your choice and you don't want 253 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: to be exactly And for me and Justin to try 254 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: to yell over those who are hurting at the moment 255 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: and weaponize this issue for their own gain. 256 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: Really says a. 257 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: Lot about them, and it really seems to be a 258 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: case of anti vaxers trying to stay relevant. They just 259 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: want something to jump up and down. So former Bachelor 260 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: and astrophysicist doctor Matt Agnew made some fantastic points about 261 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: how my body, my choice is being co opted by 262 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: the anti vax crowd. He said, it's utterly deplorable, disgustingly hurtful, 263 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: and tremendously dangerous. He wrote, for a moment, let's just 264 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: forget about the fact that this is such an enormous 265 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: false equivalency and highlight an important difference. A vaccine mandate 266 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: did not force you to get a vaccine. The government 267 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: did not strap you down and stick needles in your arms. 268 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: You did not go to jail if you did not 269 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: get the vaccine. You still had a choice. Freedom of 270 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: choice is not freedom of consequence, though, and the fact 271 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: your choice carried consequences that did not include facing. 272 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: Charges or jail. 273 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: The current situation that has arisen in the US has 274 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: removed choice from every woman in their country. The government 275 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: has done the equivalent of strapping them down and sticking 276 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: needles in their arms. They have been robbed of choice. 277 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: Now the consequence of making their choice can result in 278 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: charges or jail. So, without even considering the staggering differences 279 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: in these two medical procedures, the two are profoundly different 280 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: from the simple premise of choice and lack thereof. Matt 281 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Agne then went on to what the fundamental difference is. 282 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: He said, abortions are not fucking contagious. If someone gets 283 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: an abortion, it doesn't affect you in the slightest. If 284 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: it upsets you because it flies in the face of 285 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: whatever belief system you dogmatically follow, that's just too bad. 286 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: Your own personal convictions don't dictate other people's lives. In contrast, 287 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: if you decide not to get a vaccine, you endanger 288 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: the community. You are demanding the right to your own 289 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: bodily integrity, but also the right to indirectly violate other 290 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: people's bodies with a contagious disease. People are not getting 291 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: upset because you being unvaccinated challenges their beliefs. 292 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: It's a public risk. 293 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: Mandates are put in place to keep people safe, especially 294 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: the most vulnerable in our community. Now, this post goes 295 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: on if you want to check it out jump on 296 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: his Instagram. But I think it is just so wonderful 297 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: to see some males in our communities speaking out and 298 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: making such valid points. God, I love him. I feel 299 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: like he needs to go back on The Bachelor. He's 300 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: like redeemed himself from my eyes after dumping Abby. 301 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: You can see why they get along after. Yeah, definitely 302 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: she can have that nine back now if you want to. 303 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I don't want it anymore. 304 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: When I was doing the. 305 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: Hospital too yesterday, I heard some beautiful nights. 306 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: What about enema for a girl or Lupe's for God? 307 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: Oh they they know? 308 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: Actually, you know. 309 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: When I had my hosey stay, I heard a beautiful 310 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: name for a girl. 311 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: Oh that's pre I thought of that confusing Catha, that's nice. 312 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: Or for a little bore you could have kneel by mouth. 313 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: It's been a big week of baby clickbaiting for new 314 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: mum Ashy Bynes. The fitness influencer, gave birth on Sunday, 315 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: the nineteenth of June, and drip fed her followers details 316 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: about a newborn across the week. The teasing started when 317 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: Ashe notified her followers with a pre recorded video that 318 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: she'd gone into labor. Next was the birth announcement, including 319 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: the baby's weight, length, and birth date and time, and 320 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: two days later, ash revealed the baby was a girl 321 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: with a gender reveal video showing the baby in a 322 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: pink onesie. The final reveal came the following day with 323 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: a post revealing the baby was called Tala. What did 324 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: you guys think about Ashy's clickbaiting? Well, I don't think 325 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: that ash Bines is going to be the last influencer 326 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: to promote her baby name reveal in this way, because, 327 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: of course influencers are going to use their life milestones 328 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: to create ink agement and excitement on social media. I 329 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: did feel a little bit uncomfortable with the way that 330 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: she went about it. I know it is her job 331 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: to stay relevant, and I think it was harder for 332 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: her to do so because Ogi influencer Tammy Hembro, her rival, 333 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: another Gold Coast influencer, did give birth one day before her, 334 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: So I think that probably made her want to try 335 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: and gain more attention on her own Instagram channel and 336 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: she had to try something a little bit different. 337 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people. 338 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: Have been saying that they felt a bit icky seeing 339 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: this whole Pilava around the reveal of the name and 340 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: the reveal of the wage and all of that thing. 341 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: But I'm just so used to seeing now that I 342 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: personally didn't think, oh that's yuck. I just thought, oh, well, 343 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: that's what all the influencers do. Yeah, I do agree 344 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: with that. 345 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: Amy. 346 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: So many followers are really invested in these birth announcements 347 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: because they have followed the influencer for so long that 348 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: they feel like they're a friend. So it's almost like 349 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: a friend is announcing the arrival of their baby and 350 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: they want to know all of the dtace. But your 351 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: friends wouldn't drip fore you do the information. They wouldn't 352 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: be like, I'm going to you today that what the 353 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: gender is, and then two days later, I'm going to 354 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: tell you the name. Well that's the issue. I think, 355 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: as you said, it was a drip feeding. If she 356 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: just announced all of those details in one post, I 357 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: don't think she would have copped as much criticism over it. Yeah, Well, 358 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: onto the baby name, as it has caused quite a 359 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: stir so. Originally, as she announced the baby name without 360 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: a guide on how to pronounce it, So she uploaded 361 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: a photo of her daughter in a white jumpsuit next 362 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: to block letters spelling out the name Tala. However, she 363 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: was forced to edit the caption after she was inundated 364 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: with questions about how to say the name. So many 365 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: people assume the name, which is spelled ta La, was 366 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: pronounced Taylor, and suggested as she should change the spelling. 367 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: One follower said, love it? Is it pronounced Tala or Taylor? 368 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: As she replied saying hey, if it was Taylor, it 369 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: would have had the why it's like lala or nala, 370 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: but tala. Another follower replied, Oh, I was wondering the 371 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: same thing. 372 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: I love it. 373 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: What a little delight, which actually responded to the follower saying, 374 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: oh really, if I put the y, that would be Taylor. 375 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Though I'm confused, haha, like Lala but tala exactly how 376 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: the letters spell it out. Conversations ensued, with people saying 377 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: they'd seen Taylor spelt like that before. Ashly then continued 378 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: on the defense, writing Nope, it's Tala. Think i'd know 379 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: how to pronounce my daughter's name. There is no why 380 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: laugh out loud as I said above, like Lala or nala, 381 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: but tala. It just reminds me of on Kath and 382 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: Kim when they're like Epony Ray spelled ep wy. 383 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: And Tiffany with three eyes. 384 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: I did find it amusing the people who were like, 385 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: I love it, but is it Taylor or Talay? 386 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: How do you love it both of what it is? 387 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna put your baby name out 388 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: there in the way that they do on these large platforms, 389 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: obviously you are going to open yourself up to criticism. 390 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: So it's what's to be expected. 391 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Really well, the conversation did cause Ashy to edit the 392 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: caption of the announcement post to the following pronounce like 393 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: Lala or nala, but Tala for those asking, Tara means 394 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: gold star, story, noble and wolf, princess, little palm tree, 395 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: and pretty girl. And then she wrote and got so 396 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: many things. Yeah, she said in the brackets that she'd 397 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: only learned that their name meant so many of these 398 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: different things after she announced it. Now when she says Lala, 399 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: because I've never heard of a child called Lala, is 400 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: that like Lala from the Tellytuppies or was that sure? 401 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Is that the inspiration for the name except with the T, well, 402 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: Lala was my favorite. I do feel a little bit 403 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: sorry for Ashi, though, because we do have to remember 404 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: this is a woman who has just given bird. 405 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: She would be very sleep deprived. She probably is. 406 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: Feeling a little bit defensive over the name. The Thing 407 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: is a lot of the commentary I saw people being 408 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: polite and saying that they love the name, but they 409 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: just wanted clarification on how it was pronounced. And I 410 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: think in this day and age, with so many unique 411 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: names and spellings out there, I think it's quite a 412 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: reasonable question. I think it steered off track though, when 413 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: people were being judged about the spelling and telling ashually 414 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: that you know, this is how you should pronounce it. Oh, 415 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: this is how you should spell it. I think that's 416 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: where it got too far. Well playing Devil's advocate, do 417 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: you guys think in this situation, because ashly clickbaited all 418 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: these announcement to presumably drive engagement, does it then allow 419 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: people to have an opinion on the name The thing is. 420 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: As you said, people commenting on the post drives engagement, 421 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: so it kind of seems like it's. 422 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 2: Gotten the result. 423 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: Acshally was after and I think if you're an influencer 424 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: and you pick a unique name, that it isn't really 425 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: obvious how to pronounce it. Then you have to be 426 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: open to this sort of questioning and commentary. Hmmm. 427 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: I do think. 428 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: People should have a common level of courtesy when they 429 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: are commenting on things to do with babies and baby names. However, 430 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: I think that's what most of the people did in 431 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: the comment section. And back to your original question, Amy, 432 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: I think if you are going to clickbait a baby 433 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: name or take people along for the journey, I don't 434 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: think you should be surprised when people have an opinion 435 00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: on it. 436 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 4: Hey, guys, baby has let me put it down for 437 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 4: one minute, so I thought i'd jump on. 438 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: I'm feeling really good. It's really good not having to 439 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: recover from a C section. 440 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro's one week POSTPARTU mirror selfie with her baby 441 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: posey has sparked debate. The twenty eight year old fitness 442 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: influencer post in white underwear, showing off her flat stomach 443 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: and enviable post baby body. Tammy's comment section was flooded 444 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: with praise, calling the mum of three superwoman and saying 445 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: how amazing she looked. The Daily Mail even ran with 446 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: the headline Tammy Hembro shows off her flat stomach just 447 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: a week after giving birth to her third child. You 448 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: are a superwoman. Unsurprisingly, the post has caused backlash, with 449 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: Tammy accused of contributing to bounce back culture and setting 450 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: unrealistic standards for post part and mums. What did you 451 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: guys think about the discussion? Well, I think before we 452 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: get into it, it is important to point out that 453 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: we haven't experienced what it's like to be pregnant or 454 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: to go through a post pardum journey, and I did 455 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: find it particularly interesting to view the commentary around Tammy's 456 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: post in comparison to how Sarah's Day's postpartum posts were received. 457 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: So Unlike Sarah, Tammy did not comment about her postpartum 458 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: body at all. Despite having an exercise program, she hasn't 459 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: actually tried to plug it and say that her body 460 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: is a result of it. Nor has she spoken about 461 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: weight loss, or what she's eaten or what she's doing. 462 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: All she's done is post a photo of herself holding 463 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: her baby in her underwear. The caption of the post said, 464 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: almost one week with my posy girl, feeling far from 465 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: human right now, but soaking in every second. Her birth 466 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: was a lot quicker and more dramatic than we expected, 467 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: and I have pretty severe postpartum hemorrhaging, but I am 468 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: also blessed she arrived safely and still had such an 469 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: amazing experience that I'll never forget. Can't say I want 470 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: to do it again anytime soon. Loll. Women are incredible, 471 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: and Tammy has also been really transparent about the pain 472 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: she's been experiencing. On her store, she wrote, boob's head 473 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: hurts from no sleep, vagina hurts from a pisiotomy, had 474 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: to get her out quick, body hurts from blood loss. 475 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Don't know what time of day it is, but deeply 476 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: happy in my love bubble. Yeah, it's not like she's 477 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: glamorizing the birth process at all. I do agree, but 478 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate here. While Tammy didn't say anything explicitly 479 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: about her post pard and body, a picture does speak 480 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: a thousand words. Is it a bit naive to suggest 481 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't a bit of a flex about how good 482 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: she was looking and was it necessary for her to 483 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: post a picture like this? 484 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 485 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt that she looks great, and 486 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: I totally understand it would be hard for any new 487 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: mum to see Tammy looking like that. A couple of 488 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: days after giving birth. However, the content isn't anything when 489 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: not used to seeing on her feet. Tammy is often 490 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: posting photos in her underwear and bikini. I mean, when 491 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: she was pregnant, she was always showing off her baby 492 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: bump in revealing outfits. I don't think it's anything new. 493 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: I do think there is. 494 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: A difference, though, because if you are trying to glamorize 495 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: your body and you're contorting your body in a way 496 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: to make it appear thinner than it is, I feel 497 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: like there's more of an issue. But I feel like 498 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: that's what Tammy looked like at that moment. Yeah, and 499 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: we've got to remember Tammy has never had your quote 500 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: unquote average body. She did gain notoriety for her muscular 501 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: for sake, and she works really hard to look the 502 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: way that she does. It's her job to look a 503 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: certain way, and her body is part of her brand. 504 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: And while she does look amazing postpartum, it's not like 505 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: she looks exactly like she did before she was pregnant. 506 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: It is important to remember that bouncing back really is 507 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: proportionate to what you look like before you were pregnant. 508 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: The thing is, everyone is. 509 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: So different, and I think that's why comparison can be 510 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: so damaging. And it seems like we're at a point 511 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: where if a new mum shares what her body looks 512 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: like and we deem that it looks too good, then 513 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: she's allowed to be body shamed. And I don't think 514 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: that that's right. People are saying that Tammy's body isn't 515 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: a real body, but it is because it is her 516 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: real body, and I don't think we should be body 517 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: shaming her just because she's conventionally attractive. At the end 518 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: of the day, she hasn't posted any damaging messages about 519 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: bouncing back or how she got her body back. All 520 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: she's done is post a picture of what she looks like, 521 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. 522 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: I did get a laugh out of some of the 523 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: mums in our Facebook group jokingly saying they were more 524 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: offended by Tammy's underwear choice because she was wearing white 525 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: bikini style undies, which many mums said were very brave 526 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: considering the vaginal birth, and many asked where her pad 527 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: and maternity hundies were. 528 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: A school that bans farm molds is a school that 529 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: bans life. Summerht Tide you should be ashamed of yourself. 530 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: Fastly far molds can give hope. They give pave people 531 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: something to live for. 532 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: Finnes's influencer, Sophie Gwiddelin has announced her engagement to dentist 533 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Figara. Amy, can you tell us all of the details? 534 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? So. 535 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Sophie shared the exciting news on Sunday night. Taking to Instagram, 536 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: she shared a photo of her arms stretched out holding 537 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: Andrew's hand with a beautiful ring in focus. What did 538 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: you guys think of the ring? The ring was absolutely stunning. 539 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: It was a little bit difficult to see from the 540 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: angle exactly what the shape of the diamond was. It's 541 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: either a solitaire or an oval, but it was a 542 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: big rock and it also had beautiful diamonds coming around 543 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: the band. I also really liked the proposal photo. It 544 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: was very cute. You could tell that they were very 545 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: excited and happy in the moment. 546 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: It is a really cute photo. 547 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: I was trying to work out why she's covering her 548 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: eyes with her hand. It almost looks like it's an 549 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: action shot of the proposal and he told her to 550 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: put out her hand and cover her eyes and then 551 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: he's put the ring on it. And snapped a photo. 552 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: But I don't think in his influence a world that 553 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: it's organic. I think it has been mocked up. It's 554 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: clearly a professional photograph. You can see that with the 555 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: blurred background. 556 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful shot. 557 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: I do get jealous of those couples who have the 558 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: professional photographer there capturing the moment, because I don't know 559 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: those photos are super important. They're nice to look back on. 560 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: But then there's also the other argument, does it ruin 561 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: that moment because it's not just you two? Then I 562 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: don't know if it's super important to have a professional photographer. 563 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's important to get a nice photo to 564 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: remember it well. It is, especially if you're on Instagram. 565 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: And now we've previously discussed the thought and effort that 566 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: goes into constructing the caption for an engagement announcement. So 567 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 1: Sophie simply captured her post with a ring emoji. What 568 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: do you guys think of that? A bit lazy, classy, sophisticated, simple. 569 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: I love it. 570 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: I love it. I feel like it. 571 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: I actually wrote a caption for mine, but I feel 572 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: like that's something I would do because it just couldn't 573 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: be bothered to think of something nice. I'm joking when 574 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: I say lazier, it's what else do you say? 575 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: In that moment? The picture speaks for itself. 576 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Half the time, I was thinking maybe she was really 577 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: surprised as well, because you know, we were joking that 578 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: people plan these engagement posts ahead of time. But maybe 579 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: she was genuinely shocked by it. Maybe because they're overseas, 580 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: they didn't have much WiFi, so she didn't have really 581 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: time to construct it. It was kind of like, just get 582 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: it up, put it emoji. Well, as you said, Kay, 583 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: I feel like Andrew gets four marks because he did 584 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: propose whilst they were holidaying in Santorini. And I have 585 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: to add these two have been everywhere. Recently, they were 586 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: in the Maldives. They also went on a family holiday 587 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: to La Now this engagement has surprised many people, probably. 588 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: Due to the fact that Sophie first. 589 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: Went Instagram official with Andrew six months ago, and she 590 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: did recently have Andrew on her podcast as a guest 591 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: to answer questions about their relationship, and she revealed they'd 592 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: known each other for ten years. It was clear from 593 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: the interview that Sophie and Andrew have so much in 594 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: common So, Andrew is a thirty nine year old dentist 595 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: from the Gold Coast, and like Sophie, he grew up 596 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: in a very religious household in Adelaide and got married young. 597 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: So he was only eighteen when he got married and 598 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: had his first child during his last year of UNI. Now, 599 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Sophie and Andrew separated around the same time as each other, 600 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: but they both said they weren't ready for another serious 601 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: relationship at that time. Sophie said she thinks she had 602 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: commitment issues and knew if she was going to date 603 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: Andrew it would have to be a serious thing because 604 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: they were already friends. Yeah, because interestingly, their children attend 605 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: the same school, and apparently Andrew's kids have been begging 606 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: Sophie to date their dad for a really long time now, 607 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: but she's just kept saying no, no, we're just friends 608 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: because she really didn't want to ruin that friendship. And 609 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: when they finally told the girls that they'd got together, 610 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: his daughters thought that they had been holding back this 611 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: secret for a long time. It was pretty funny because 612 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: in the podcast they were asked if it was awkward 613 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: going from friends to lovers, and they said that it 614 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: wasn't However, it seems like it was more awkward the 615 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: questioning that came once they announced their relationship, because many 616 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: people presume that they'd just gotten drunk and hooked up 617 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: and that's how it all started. But they said it 618 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: was actually a lot more planned and calculated than that. 619 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: How About when they spoke about all their kids, because 620 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of a Brady Bunch situation going on. So 621 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: Sophie has four kids, so two are from her first marriage, 622 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: and she's got twins from her second marriage. And Andrew 623 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: has two girls, so there are six children. So together 624 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: they have two six year olds, a thirteen year old, fourteen, fifteen, 625 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: and seventeen year old. And some people asking them are 626 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: they can send they're going to have this sort of 627 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: hookup situation like there was on the Brady Bunch. 628 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: Like Marsha and Greg. 629 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: That is the first thing when you were reading out 630 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: those ages, like the teenage kids, thinking that how awkward 631 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: would that be? I mean, technically, there's nothing wrong with 632 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: it because they're not really brothers and sisters. No they're not, 633 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: and they're well they're step well they're soon to be stepsisters. Yeah, 634 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: but it's different when you become stepsisters and brothers. When 635 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: you're teenagers, you've already lived that so much of your life. 636 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: Well. 637 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: Sophie's engagement has led to discussions online about the whole 638 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: when you know you know concept, because a lot of 639 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: people were sort of judging the engagement and saying that 640 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: it happened so quickly considering they've only been together for 641 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: under six months. Personally, I feel like I've been in 642 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: this situation because my partner, Reese, we were together. It 643 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: wasn't as quickly as this, but we weren't together that 644 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: long until we moved in and then got engaged. But 645 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: it's because we also were friends beforehand, so we've known 646 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: each other for five years, two years before we actually 647 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: got together. Really do think it makes a big difference 648 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: when you are friends. 649 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: With the person. 650 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: I think the fact that Sophie has recently been involved 651 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: in some high profile relationships did also add to the surprise. 652 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: So she did briefly date Jake Edwards from Maths and 653 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: then most recently a police officer. 654 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: But I think that's because she actually puts. 655 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: Herself out there and is open to dating and also 656 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: open to sharing who she is going out with. A 657 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: lot of influences keep people in the dark. But don't 658 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: you think Also, when you get in your thirties, the 659 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: bullshit ends somewhat compared to when you were in your twenties. 660 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: So I feel like when you're in a relationship in 661 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: your thirties and it's only been a couple of months, 662 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: it does seem more serious and you can definitely tell 663 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: if this relationship is going to be a long one. Yeah, 664 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: because you've got relationships to compare it to. And as 665 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: you said, like people aren't really going to be well, 666 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I hope in your thirties people aren't going to be 667 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: dragging things out and playing all these games. They're actually 668 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: going to be quite upfront about what they want. I 669 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: feel like it's a bit like Miranda from Sex and 670 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: the City's theory, because she famously said, it's not fate. 671 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: His light is on, that's all. Men are like cabs. 672 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: When they're available, their light goes on. They wake up 673 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: one day and decide they're ready to settle down, have babies, whatever, 674 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: and they turn their light on. Now I'm not suggesting 675 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: Andrew just suddenly had his light on, But as I said, 676 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I think once you're in your thirties, you're more open 677 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: to relationships. I'm just really excited to see if this 678 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: wedding plays out in the similar way the Brady Bunch 679 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: did and all the kids are involved. They're the bride'smaid, 680 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: the groomsman. 681 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: That'd be really cute. 682 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for. Thank 683 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: you so much for listening. If you do want to 684 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: continue the conversation, please head to our Facebook community which 685 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: has Outspoken the podcast community. 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