WEBVTT - Jonah Hill's leaked texts and purpose anxiety with Dr Sabina Read

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<v Speaker 1>Life un Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose

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<v Speaker 1>lands were never seeded. We pay our respects to their

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<v Speaker 1>elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to another episode of Life on Patna. I'm pretty holy dully,

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<v Speaker 2>it has been a morning.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been. I mean, we always say we driving chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>We always say how chaotic life is. Today was probably

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<v Speaker 1>the most chaotic it's been in as long as I

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<v Speaker 1>can remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why things are going wrong. It's because

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<v Speaker 2>producer Keisha is still in Europe sucking down.

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<v Speaker 1>After all spirits. Oh I think you're gonna say sucking

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<v Speaker 1>someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>She's probably tatter it.

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<v Speaker 1>She is down in opp Rol Spirits. She's there for

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<v Speaker 1>another week and she's left us to our own devices. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we for over two years by ourselves, once upon a time.

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<v Speaker 1>God knows how we did that. You know why? Because

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<v Speaker 1>it was simple. You know the old kiss saying keep

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<v Speaker 1>it simple stupid? You remember that from school?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>With life, they're like, just kiss it, keep it simple, stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone said it as like a life

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<v Speaker 2>mottol but like I did sure my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought your life model was risk for there it was,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was kiss, which is why risk it for.

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<v Speaker 1>The biscuit was mine. They're playing to each other. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was so easy for us because we were at home.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't have fancy equipment. We didn't have like all

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<v Speaker 1>these cameras and like zoom recordings and desks. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have desks, we didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Have pants, We literally had nothing, and it was easier

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<v Speaker 5>than what it is now between Britain and I we're

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<v Speaker 5>both so technologically challenged that in order to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to record today's episode, they have everything here like we're

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<v Speaker 5>at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcasting studio, I guess you'd call it. But we brought

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<v Speaker 2>our own equipment because we don't know how to use

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<v Speaker 2>the equipment here.

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<v Speaker 1>I came with my suitcase.

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<v Speaker 2>I brought a suitcase.

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<v Speaker 1>It still has like my virgin stickert attached to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I put all the equipment in it and I wheeled

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<v Speaker 1>it on in. We set it all up. Let's not

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<v Speaker 1>like talk ourselves down too much.

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<v Speaker 2>The floor is on lava, but everything is fine.

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<v Speaker 1>The floor is on lava.

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<v Speaker 2>The floor is lava.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back from your honeymoon, not honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys went to Fiji for five days. I'm sure we

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<v Speaker 2>probably knew that if you listened to the last week's

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<v Speaker 2>episode or saw it on the socials.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ask him if they wanted to see it

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<v Speaker 1>on socials?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I didn't say, hey, guys, does anyone want

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<v Speaker 2>to see my honeymoon on socials? I just made you.

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<v Speaker 1>All view it.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I would like to say is taking your

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<v Speaker 2>own children along with your sister's children and your sister

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<v Speaker 2>and her husband on your honeymoon. I think it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it less of a honeymoon and just a holiday with family.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's not ideal, but correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you say that Matt thought he was going on

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<v Speaker 1>a honeymoon. He didn't really know that you'd invited the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of.

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<v Speaker 2>The No, no, no, no, he knew, he knew. Alicia

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was her fortieth birthday present. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>different thought. We were going to celebrate her fortieth and

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<v Speaker 2>then I was like, hey, I know you're turning forty,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is also our honeymoon. So I just combined

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<v Speaker 2>and joined things. Where we stayed had the best freaking

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<v Speaker 2>kids club, Like it was amazing, and I expected that

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<v Speaker 2>the girls were going to get there and then not

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to kids club and complains they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be with us. They woke up every morning and

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<v Speaker 2>they ran out the door. They were like, well, going

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<v Speaker 2>to kids clubs on their own as they didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>a bar of us until it came to like four

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the afternoon. And it was possibly the best

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<v Speaker 2>holiday I think I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>So did they? Kids club every day?

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<v Speaker 2>Kids club every day?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>They made T shirts. We like out making grass skirts,

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<v Speaker 2>they were collecting eggs. It was their holiday. We just

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<v Speaker 2>paid for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an expensive honeymoon, wasn't it. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>whole family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a fair. That's what happens when you have children,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially when your youngest one is over to and

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<v Speaker 2>you got to buy them a ticket. Laula didn't sit

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<v Speaker 2>on that fucking seat for one second. When do you

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<v Speaker 2>have to start paying for a kid at one, two two? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's full price at ever. Yeah. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>intermission phase where they're like, oh, that kid's too but

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<v Speaker 2>they don't take up that much of the seed, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's just charge them a quarter of the price.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you still get like when you walk onto the

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<v Speaker 1>plane and you've got, oh your shit, and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>two kids and one't Lola's. We know, Lola's wild little

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<v Speaker 1>potato head. Do you still get like the subtle looks

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<v Speaker 1>from people down the corridor being like, oh fuck, please

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<v Speaker 1>don't sit next to me, Please don't sit next to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you feel down the corridor?

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's kind of okay when you fly to somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>like Fiji, because I feel like majority of the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are flying they have children.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they're kids club are known worldwide. I need

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<v Speaker 1>you get known for kids clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>They're known for kids clubs. And also the Fijian people

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<v Speaker 2>are so beautifully lovely and they are they are like

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<v Speaker 2>born to be parents, Like they are just the kindest,

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<v Speaker 2>most patient and lovely people. And so everybody takes their

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<v Speaker 2>children there and are like, hey, have my kids for

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<v Speaker 2>a week. Here they are, and so we offload them.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing though, it did happen to me speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of romantic honeymoons, is the curse, my tropical holiday curse.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that hit me again?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't every time I go on a tropical holiday and

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<v Speaker 2>you know this bread. Basically, we flew in to Nadi.

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<v Speaker 2>We got on a little boat that took us over

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<v Speaker 2>to where we were staying. The second the second my

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<v Speaker 2>foot touch land, I was like, you've got to be

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<v Speaker 2>kidding me. Period.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to say diarrhea rain or u TI

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<v Speaker 1>rain rain in my pants?

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<v Speaker 2>Period, blood rain. The second flood, it was a blood flat.

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<v Speaker 2>The gates opened, the damn flooded honeymoon blood flood. That's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what happened. I took the.

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<v Speaker 1>Honeymoon blood flood. Shall hear me known from here? For

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<v Speaker 1>that you have the curse of the honeymoon blood plot.

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<v Speaker 2>I took one step onto the island and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even pack or in a remote island somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>I had no tampoons.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you not pack a tampon?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I got them a week early? Didn't I It's

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<v Speaker 2>literally like my body was like, oh, you're going on

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<v Speaker 2>a honeymoon, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>No sex for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Period? We're really going to fuck Matt's stream side.

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<v Speaker 1>You can still do period section.

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<v Speaker 2>He is not a stand of it, he lied once

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. I remember once we interviewed him and

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<v Speaker 2>he said he doesn't mind. He was like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>all four period sex. And then as soon as I

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<v Speaker 2>actually had them, and I'm like, do we call them

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<v Speaker 2>with them? I don't know when they're actually here, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hey, baby, let's get jigg they show up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they came. Anyway, well she she arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>They came. You didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They came and I did not. That's definitely the moral

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<v Speaker 2>of the story. But anyway, apart from that, we had

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful honeymoon. It was a great time. Matt swam

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<v Speaker 2>many laps underwater. I saw them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I saw of the holiday was just matt'

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<v Speaker 1>sween underwater pretty much all I like. It's like the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, mum.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like what Matt was doing. So what was

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<v Speaker 1>the highlight?

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<v Speaker 2>Laying on my back. I woke up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the breakfast buffet, I shipped my kids

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<v Speaker 2>off to kids club, and then I went to the gym,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I laid by the pool And that was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much my entire day.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what a holiday should be, or what you're

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<v Speaker 1>describing is that you were on a holiday. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, you've probably never done that before.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, The problem is is that once you have children,

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<v Speaker 2>you just parent in a new location. That's all you do.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's their holiday and you just chaperone them on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and kids club is a game changer. And prior to

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<v Speaker 2>this holiday, my kids have been too young for kids Club,

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<v Speaker 2>like Lola has a little melon head, it has been

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<v Speaker 2>too little. And this is the first time that genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>she got up every morning and she was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>kid club and she ran out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>So does that mean the only holiday you're ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to do again is back to Fiji, back to the

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<v Speaker 1>kids club.

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<v Speaker 2>We're only ever going to places with kids club from

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<v Speaker 2>now on.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine Europe or something that kids club couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you need to go to kids club? I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care about your posatana. I don't want to go and

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<v Speaker 2>sit on a beach with my children around there.

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<v Speaker 1>We did that Mali right when she was like.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a fotis a little blob. She was literally

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<v Speaker 2>she'd just come out of me and she was still

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<v Speaker 2>a fetus.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you do that? As a new you just

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<v Speaker 1>like fuck it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is a misconception. Traveling with newborn babies is

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<v Speaker 2>actually completely fine traveling with like a three month old

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<v Speaker 2>baby because they just sleep all the time. So we

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<v Speaker 2>went to Europe when Maley was only three months old.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the most amazing trip, but once they hit

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<v Speaker 2>about four months, five months, six months, goes rapidly downhill.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not going back to Europe until they're seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then they can pay for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how that's why you send them over there. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what? One thing did happen to me though,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought I had my own little accidentally unfiltered moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I was. So we went out for the dinner this

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<v Speaker 2>one night and there was a couple who we met,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were very proper. They were very lovely, but

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<v Speaker 2>they had a proper domestic sitting next to us at

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<v Speaker 2>the table. But started off with a little bickering fight

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<v Speaker 2>between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>How old are we talking?

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<v Speaker 2>They were probably in their forties. Nationality yeah Aussie's, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure they were from Sydney. Anyway, they were

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<v Speaker 2>having a little bit of a bickering fight and then

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<v Speaker 2>it turned into him being like I could overhear it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so it was so inappropriately loud for how

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<v Speaker 2>close we were sitting to each other. He was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm we're not doing this shit again, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe we're going to rehash this. So they

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<v Speaker 2>were having a full on argument and then she sat

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quiet for the rest of the dinner. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was awkward because we'd just met and like we'd had

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<v Speaker 2>a really nice chat and then it was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh God, I wonder what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is awkward when also you know that they

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<v Speaker 1>know that, you know, that's exactly yeah, when everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>the situation knows.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next morning I get to break and they're there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're sitting at the table, rub it lecture us. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a different restaurants, are sitting right there, and we

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<v Speaker 2>sat down next to them. I was like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit awkward, you know, like we heard them having

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<v Speaker 2>a fight. They know that we heard them having a fight.

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<v Speaker 2>They were looking at us. We didn't say we did

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<v Speaker 2>like some like cordial like is that what's good? We

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<v Speaker 2>were like hellos, you know anyway down were like, hi,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you if? It is it cordial like the

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<v Speaker 2>drink or is it cordial.

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<v Speaker 1>It's said the same, but it's spelled it ha ha.

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<v Speaker 2>So we sat at breakfast and had some cordial and

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<v Speaker 2>then said hello and then cordialed, and then we cordialed,

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<v Speaker 2>so we said a low exchanged like a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, pleasantries. And then I was like feeding

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<v Speaker 2>Lala and they were staring at us, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is weird. But then they kept staring at us

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<v Speaker 2>and I and I said to my must be really

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<v Speaker 2>awkward for them because we heard them having that fight

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<v Speaker 2>last night. And then I'm feeding Alla her wheatbits. And

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<v Speaker 2>this goes on for a good fifteen minutes, no exaggeration,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I look up again and they're still looking

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<v Speaker 2>at me intermittently like they're back to their breakfast. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they look up and stare at me oddly, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they look back down and like.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're seventeen, you would have said take.

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<v Speaker 2>A picture at a last literally give it simple, stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get to a point where I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is very They're making this very uncomfortable now, like what's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the problem anyway, I just do a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a face, like like a what's like, what's your problem face? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your problem face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, the one like little eyebrow raised. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had enough bowtox to freeze.

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<v Speaker 2>It yet, just a little like, hey, I've got some

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<v Speaker 2>use of my forehead again. And he just looks down

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<v Speaker 2>and then looks back up, and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are they doing? And I looked down my entire tit,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole left tit. I was wearing a button up

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<v Speaker 2>shirt and my entire left tit was just sitting out

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<v Speaker 2>of my shirt half. It was like hovering a centimeter

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<v Speaker 2>above Lola's weet my knee. Yeah. I had been sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there at breakfast the whole time with my button up

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<v Speaker 2>shirt done up and just one entire tit which I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't wearing a bra, and it was hanging almost in

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<v Speaker 2>Lola's wheat bits. And they had just been staring at

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<v Speaker 2>me like, surely she will realize this. And I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute as Matt not realized that your tit was out.

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<v Speaker 2>No one did. He was sitting next to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were sitting directly in front of me. No one

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<v Speaker 2>told me the whole of breakfast, just a whole boob.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a difference with like someone not telling

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<v Speaker 2>you that you tags out.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you tits out like someone needs to give

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<v Speaker 1>your heads up, like you fucking did me dirty. Hey

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a bit of green on your teeth. You

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<v Speaker 1>tag down your tits out.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta tag a tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm just tagging you. That is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>They think maybe they thought I'd done it on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I mean it is weird that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel the breeze.

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<v Speaker 2>On it or it was beautiful and warm. I was

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<v Speaker 2>moist everywhere, So weird.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't feel like the wheatbits and the milk lapping

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<v Speaker 1>up onto the bottom of the breast.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't in the wheatbecks. They were hovering a very

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<v Speaker 2>small amount above the wheat pits.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably thought, you're still breastfeeding and you're putting your

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<v Speaker 1>milk into the whetick.

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<v Speaker 2>To beat it to lower for some extra sustenance. Anyway, So,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of highlights of the trip, that was that was

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<v Speaker 2>one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, that's so funny. Do you know what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me nowhere near is they're still okay, there's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that happened to me that I'm still debating if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell you so maybe in the coming I'll

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<v Speaker 1>think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just tell me now.

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<v Speaker 1>I might tell you on Thursday next week. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna think about it for a minutees pretty gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to bread crumb this to hope that

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<v Speaker 2>people listen on Thursday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, we'll do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll break r Okay, what does it have to do

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<v Speaker 2>with give me, give me some cou something.

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<v Speaker 1>The rankest thing that, one of the rankest things that's

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me happened to me, barling. But I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to sit on it for now. You know what, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing live shows. Later I'm weighing up whether I say

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<v Speaker 1>it for a live show. It was disgusting anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just announce without it being an official announcement

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing proper live shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've sort of done that a few times. We've

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<v Speaker 1>sort of mentioned live shows. Everyone knows we're doing them, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you didn't know that we're doing we've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing a live show.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're not just doing one live show this year.

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<v Speaker 2>We have literally just confirmed that we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing live shows all across the country and that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be happening in October and early November,

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<v Speaker 2>which is naturally too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Bring on the Life one Cut baby tickets and

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<v Speaker 1>not on sale yep, so don't go looking for them.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll let you know, but they are going on sale

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<v Speaker 1>very very soon. So keep your ears and eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>titties open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep everything ready to accept the Life on Cut

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<v Speaker 2>live show. If you want to know when it's happening, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can listen to the podcast. But a way more

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<v Speaker 2>effective way and you will get the tickets straight away

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<v Speaker 2>is go and follow us on socials at Life Uncut

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<v Speaker 2>Podcasts because we will absolutely announce it on Instagram when

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<v Speaker 2>that is all happening.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. Look, you're gonna know about it. You

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<v Speaker 1>will know about it. We're gonna be screaming it from

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<v Speaker 1>the rooftops. No, something super annoying happened to me in Balle.

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<v Speaker 1>Annoying on multiple levels because one it was inconvenient and

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<v Speaker 1>two it just made me like an idiot in front

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<v Speaker 1>of Ben. I had been you know Ben you know hates,

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<v Speaker 1>not hates, but he's scared of every animal in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had been everyone knows in Bali monkeys are everywhere, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the story that you're bread coming to Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just telling us now, no, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>different story. Sorry yet cool. Stay tuned for Thursday's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>When what happened to life?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's just this is just it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>funny situation. I didn't think it ever happened to me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been to Bali so many times, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, when you're like showing off, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, babe, just like, I'll show you the

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<v Speaker 1>ropes of Ballei.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, stick with me, like I know everything about Ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>I had been hounding him a lot about the monkeys

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, they can be very cheeky in Bali.

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<v Speaker 1>They steal a lot of stuff, they can break in.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when we arrived at this villa in Uluatu,

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<v Speaker 1>it was up on the mountains on the cliff, there

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<v Speaker 1>were monkeys everywhere, and the owner had been like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the monkeys do come in sometimes whatever. So I kept

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<v Speaker 1>saying to Ben, like, be really careful because it just

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<v Speaker 1>like leads stuff around. And I was hounding him constantly

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Anyway, I we were out some baking and

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<v Speaker 1>I watched this happen in slow motion were some baking

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<v Speaker 1>and I were eating lunch on this deck by the pool,

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<v Speaker 1>and I took my hat off to go for a swim,

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<v Speaker 1>and I took my visial line out because I was eating,

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<v Speaker 1>and I put my vizil line in my hat and

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<v Speaker 1>I left it on the beach chair and then we

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<v Speaker 1>dove into the pool, and in slow motion, I watched

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<v Speaker 1>a monkey jump off the roof walk over to my

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<v Speaker 1>hat and I was like, oh my god, you little shit,

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<v Speaker 1>no took my inbizzle line, took my hat. You could

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<v Speaker 1>not write this and fucked off the little fucker. So

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<v Speaker 1>I have lost three mizzle lines now, one buried by Delilah,

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<v Speaker 1>two of them to Dela, and one of them to.

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<v Speaker 5>This monkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Is gonna have the best smile in all all the why.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, And he knew it too because the monkey took them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when you look at a kid right and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, don't drop it. You know when a kid

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<v Speaker 1>steal something and they look at you and they do

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway, the monkey did that. He literally locked eyes

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<v Speaker 1>on me and I was like, oh, don't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then took it. Ben watched the whole thing. He

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<v Speaker 1>just thought it was hysterical. Because I've been riding him

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<v Speaker 1>for a month. So that's my fucking viziline in. Visilin's

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<v Speaker 1>not something you can just lose because it's made for

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<v Speaker 1>your teeth, so you don't just go down to the

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<v Speaker 1>chemists and get another visilin.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's very annoying, you know what it's because it

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<v Speaker 2>probably tasted like food, which is disgusting to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, you'd just eaten and then you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>took it out and he would have just been like

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<v Speaker 2>Mike and smell some left over some curry. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he's like. That's a bit of a beef rain.

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<v Speaker 2>Dang right there, run off into the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>What would he do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Like just annoying. What are you gonna do with that?

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna throw on the ground and litter little shit,

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<v Speaker 2>little shit. Well, with all of our holiday updates, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like we actually told you any of the highlights. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>we both had a great time with our holiday updates

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way. I want to tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>today's episode is about because I feel like it's one

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to relate to so many people, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to relate to people in a variety of

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<v Speaker 2>different ways. Now, when I say we produce a Kisha

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually recorded this episode it's all about purpose

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety whilst brit was away in Bali and we interviewed.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a psychologist. Her name is Sabina Reid. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I found this so interesting is because I think

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<v Speaker 2>at different times in life, so many of us have

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<v Speaker 2>struggled with what is our purpose? What is it that

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<v Speaker 2>we're supposed to be doing. Often I think this can

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<v Speaker 2>relate to our careers, our career choices to work, especially

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<v Speaker 2>for people who may be finishing school or going through university.

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<v Speaker 2>You have those moments in life where you're like, what

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<v Speaker 2>am I supposed to be doing? And it can feel

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<v Speaker 2>very pressing, like there's almost like a timeline in which

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<v Speaker 2>you need to make these decisions up about your life.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think it hits us at different times

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<v Speaker 2>in life as well. I think for me, the time

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<v Speaker 2>where I really struggle with purpose anxiety was just after

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a mum and feeling like my identity had change

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<v Speaker 2>so much and I wasn't sure what my role was,

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<v Speaker 2>what was supposed to take precedents in my life, what

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be the most important thing to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think for me it was juggling a career

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<v Speaker 2>alongside motherhood. But I think that there's so many times

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<v Speaker 2>in life where people struggle with what is the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that they're supposed to be doing with their life, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it be in relationships, whether it be around having children,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be about their careers. And that's what where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm packing on this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm genuinely shattered that I wasn't here to record it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm really keen to listen to this episode as

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<v Speaker 1>like a consumer, because I think purpose anxiety is something

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<v Speaker 1>that every single person experiences, and what you just said

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<v Speaker 1>is right. It doesn't matter where you're at in life

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<v Speaker 1>or how old you are. It can come at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something I know I've battled with all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I battle with it at the moment now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's because I've got a long distance relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's because I'm about to officially

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<v Speaker 1>go into the second half of my thirties. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I'm still thirty five, but next month

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<v Speaker 1>I roll over where I'm closer to forty than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a big moment for me. But I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing now. And sometimes I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever do this, Laura. I get really deep in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind and I'm like, what is the point? We

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<v Speaker 1>wake up every day and we stress and we're tired,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't sleep when we go to work, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is there a greater purpose for me? And

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<v Speaker 1>it comes back to the purpose, like, am I doing

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<v Speaker 1>enough to help people? Am I contributing enough to society?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I contribute enough to my family?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I start to think about all these things and you

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<v Speaker 1>get so deep into this hectic cycle in your brain

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<v Speaker 1>that sometimes it's hard to get back out and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you need a shock to say, hey, everyone experiences this

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<v Speaker 1>and you're doing okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. There were two parts of this that I really loved.

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<v Speaker 2>I really loved that Sabina talked about the privilege, the

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<v Speaker 2>privilege that comes from being able to even worry about

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<v Speaker 2>your purpose, because being able to worry about your purpose

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<v Speaker 2>means that every single basic need that you have as

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<v Speaker 2>a human has already been met, Because if you're worrying

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<v Speaker 2>about putting a roof of your head, you're certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>worrying about what your purpose is in life. And the

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<v Speaker 2>second part for me that I thought was just I

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<v Speaker 2>had this humongous a harm when we were speaking is

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<v Speaker 2>Britain and I have talked a lot about attachment theory

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the podcast. If you've read our book Attachment Theory

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<v Speaker 2>or something that has really been a feature that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of reared its head several times. But we've spoken about

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<v Speaker 2>attachment theory in relation to relationships, how our relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>our parents impact the way in which we relate to

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<v Speaker 2>our romantic partners as we grow up. The thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I loved about what Sabina spoke about is that attachment

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<v Speaker 2>theory also hugely affects the way in which we feel

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<v Speaker 2>purpose in the world and the way that we had

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<v Speaker 2>it modeled to us, the way that we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to lean into the things that brought us joy as children.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that impacts our ability to feel purpose and

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<v Speaker 2>also it impacts what we think we should be doing

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<v Speaker 2>versus what we are actually doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I wanted to talk to you about something that

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<v Speaker 1>it's no surprise, it's something that the whole world is

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the last couple of days, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>Jonah Hill. Now I know Laurcles. We've spoken about it

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<v Speaker 1>off there, but I know you've seen the texts that

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<v Speaker 1>have come out from his girlfriend ex girlfriend, sorry Sarah Brady,

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of days ago. Sarah his ex girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>of one year. They dated for twelve months back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, so a few years has gone past.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonah has just had a baby with his current partner.

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<v Speaker 1>But she has come out on her Instagram. She released

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<v Speaker 1>a series of screenshots with text messages from their exchange

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<v Speaker 1>in their relationship, and she just put the caption fuck

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<v Speaker 1>it and then started sharing and what has turned into many, many, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many Instagram slides and posts. It's gone to TikTok, has

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<v Speaker 1>gone to every news site, It's gone viral about the

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<v Speaker 1>way he treated her and spoke to her in that relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this wasn't just a couple of messages that were shared.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a fucking takedown, Like, oh yeah, Brittainy went

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<v Speaker 2>really deep on this, because there are so many layers

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<v Speaker 2>to this conversation. It wasn't just a sharing of one

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<v Speaker 2>or two messages or a few images. This was so

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<v Speaker 2>many text messages and so many instances of controlling behavior

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the course of their relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we will say allegedly through this because it is allegedly.

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<v Speaker 1>He has not commented and his representatives have not commented,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's very important. But she has come out and

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<v Speaker 1>detailed the alleged emotional abuse in that relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is what she had to say when she

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<v Speaker 2>started posting these screenshots. The first thing was, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a warning to all girls, and I'm sharing this publicly

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<v Speaker 2>now because keeping it to myself was causing more damage

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<v Speaker 2>to my mental health than sharing it ever could do. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>she went on to say that he was a narcissist.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what she said, Just another narcissist and you

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<v Speaker 2>make me sick. One of the text messages that she

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<v Speaker 2>shared of Jonah Hill's was him laying down and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, quote unquote the boundaries that he has in

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<v Speaker 2>his relationship. But the boundaries were more rules of which

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<v Speaker 2>she needed to abide by. And this is what it said,

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<v Speaker 2>plain and simple. If you need surfing with men, boundaryless

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<v Speaker 2>inappropriate friendships with men to model, to post pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, friendships

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<v Speaker 2>with women who are in unstable places, and from your

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<v Speaker 2>wild recent past beyond getting a lunch or a coffee

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<v Speaker 2>or something respectful, then I am not the right partner

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<v Speaker 2>for you. If these things bring you to a place

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<v Speaker 2>of happiness, well I support it and there will be

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<v Speaker 2>no hard feelings. However, these are my boundaries for romantic partnership,

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<v Speaker 2>my boundaries with you based on ways these actions have

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<v Speaker 2>hurt our trust.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to note before you go on that whilst

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<v Speaker 1>the number one thing was surfing with men, she was

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<v Speaker 1>a pro semi pro surfer, like her job was a

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<v Speaker 1>semi pro sofer, and she modeled a lot for surfing

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<v Speaker 1>companies and bikinis. So the two things that he says.

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<v Speaker 2>At the start are actually an occupation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's her occupation. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the other part of that that's so important

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<v Speaker 2>to unpack is like, we all know that surfing is

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<v Speaker 2>such a male dominated industry, so to say that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't go surfing with men, firstly, it limits her ability

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<v Speaker 2>to do her occupation. The thing that I think is

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<v Speaker 2>the overarching part of this, he's saying, these are my boundaries,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's smart, he is educated, he has been to

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<v Speaker 2>therapy for a really long time, and instead of acknowledging

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<v Speaker 2>that this is really controlling behavior. He's dressing it up

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<v Speaker 2>as though, but these are my boundaries, which absolves him

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<v Speaker 2>of any sort of manipulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost he did it very well, especially to say these

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<v Speaker 1>are the actions that have hurt our trust. Her existence.

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<v Speaker 1>She hasn't done anything wrong, but her existence has hurt

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<v Speaker 1>his trust. So of course your immediate response or her

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<v Speaker 1>immediate response, and it was. She says that is to

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<v Speaker 1>try and work around that, try and say, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what else can I do? And she goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>show another conversation about allegedly Joying to making her delete

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of photos from her Instagram, and she did

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<v Speaker 1>repost one saying I'm reposting this again, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>fuck you narcissist kind of thing, And we go on

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<v Speaker 1>to learn because she reposts them, we're going to learn

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<v Speaker 1>that some of them were are literally standing there in

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<v Speaker 1>clothes like clothes. Some were bikinis that he would say

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<v Speaker 1>they show too much ass, like just the control over

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<v Speaker 1>what she can wear. But one in particular was a

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<v Speaker 1>video of her surfing, trying and you can see her

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<v Speaker 1>in this text exchange. She's trying to meet him halfway.

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<v Speaker 1>She's trying to respect these boundaries that he put in,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why. But when you're in it, you're in it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know. You want to please your lover, the

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<v Speaker 1>person that you think is your safe haven in your home.

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<v Speaker 1>So she started to delete things, and it got to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where he wanted it to delete this one

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<v Speaker 1>video and she says, you know, this is literally my

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<v Speaker 1>best surfing video, my favorite surfing video. And he keeps

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get it to delete it because she's in swimwear,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, in the ocean, to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where she's like, please, can I even just change the

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<v Speaker 1>cover photo, like well the cover, like, don't make me

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<v Speaker 1>delete the video, And again he goes on to throw

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<v Speaker 1>around the words of boundaries and trust and respect.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the hypocrisies of that is so this video

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<v Speaker 2>that he was asking her to delete, that he was

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<v Speaker 2>telling her it was breaking the trust of the boundaries,

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<v Speaker 2>this co opted word boundaries that he's using as a weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually was a video that before they were dating,

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<v Speaker 2>he commented on and used that video to slide into

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<v Speaker 2>her DM. So he commented on that video sent her

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<v Speaker 2>like a cheeky little DM, and that was like how

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship kind of started, and so it's very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>that now that same video that originally kind of drew

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<v Speaker 2>him into her is something that he felt threatened by

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<v Speaker 2>and was using that, as I guess, ammunition to tell

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<v Speaker 2>her that she needed to doctor and censor her Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've spoken loads on this podcast and many many

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 2>times before about how not okay it is for a

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<v Speaker 2>partner to try and sensor or tell you what you

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<v Speaker 2>can and can't do and what you can and can't post,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a real overt way of controlling someone,

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<v Speaker 2>of treating someone as though that you're their property. But

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<v Speaker 2>like we said just earlier, I think the really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>part of this is the way that he's branded it

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<v Speaker 2>as boundaries, as though it's something that he it's a

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<v Speaker 2>limitation within his relationship. But something they think is really

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<v Speaker 2>important for us to unpack is this idea of what

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<v Speaker 2>constitutes boundaries in a relationship. So boundaries are limitations that

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<v Speaker 2>you put on yourself. These are the things that I

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<v Speaker 2>will and won't accept. Now, obviously there are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be some things like I won't be with someone who

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<v Speaker 2>cheats on me, I won't be with someone who lies

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<v Speaker 2>to me. But when it kind of gets down into

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<v Speaker 2>the nitty gritty around I won't be with someone unless

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<v Speaker 2>they behave in a certain way. If if you do this,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're breaking my boundaries. That's when I think it

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<v Speaker 2>crosses over into very manipulative behavior. And that's why Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>has said that it was very emotional manipulative. In this instance,

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<v Speaker 2>what Jona Hill is actually doing is he's telling her

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<v Speaker 2>what to do. He's saying, you need to behave in

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<v Speaker 2>this way and follow these set of rules. It's not boundaries,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a rule book that he's given her.

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<v Speaker 1>Delete this picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if you don't follow this set of rules

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<v Speaker 2>and these guidelines for how I want you to behave,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can't be in this relationship. And that in

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<v Speaker 2>itself is very manipulative.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week on the podcast, actually we're speaking to the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of Respect Victoria Emily Maguire, and the episode's actually

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<v Speaker 1>all about non physical violent forms of domestic violence, and

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>this falls into it. This is gaslighting, it's manipulation, it's coercion,

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<v Speaker 1>it's control. And I think a lot of you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>that's a really interesting episode and we do touch on

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<v Speaker 1>it in that episode as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, something I think is really important to touch on.

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<v Speaker 2>And now this in no way excuses his behavior, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can all look at and say that

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<v Speaker 2>if those alleged techs are real, then it is hugely problematic.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it would be remiss of us to

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<v Speaker 2>not talk about his own insecurities and where this might

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>actually come from. Because Jonah Hill back in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one did a documentary. It was called Stuts or Stuts,

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 2>which is the name of his therapist. He created this

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 2>documentary alongside his therapist, and what he described in that

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<v Speaker 2>is the self loathing he has in terms of his

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<v Speaker 2>body image, in terms of his weight, and how in

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.359
<v Speaker 2>his own words, and how that left him being incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up. The reason why I bring this up is

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<v Speaker 2>because it's so easy to paint people as one dimensional

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and to paint him as being this evil person. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's interesting to unpack where this type

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<v Speaker 2>of behavior has come from. And Jonah Hill has been

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<v Speaker 2>in the media for a very long time, and there

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 2>has always been discussion around his weight, There's always been

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<v Speaker 2>discussion around the way that he looks, and he has

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<v Speaker 2>spoken very publicly about the insecurities he has as a

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<v Speaker 2>person and how that public scrutiny has created once again

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<v Speaker 2>this incredible self loathing that he has. No part of

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 2>me is saying that this behavior from him is okay.

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 2>But I also do think it is very interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>unpack the why behind what may motivate him to want

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to have control in his relationships, and in this instance,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it comes from this deep insecurity that he

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<v Speaker 2>has that has been created by self loathing and the

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 2>public scrutiny around his body and the way that he looks.

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the way he's been treated in the media over

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<v Speaker 1>the years is horrific. No one deserves the level of

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>body shaming that he has experienced, and he spoke about

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>that openly. And I remember celebrating him when he came out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when he said, I'm done with this. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to make me feel bad about my body anymore.

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember being like fucking Bravo, like live your life.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the thing here for me is as

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<v Speaker 1>a level of learned misogyny and trauma mixed into one.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean it's an excuse for his behavior. No.

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<v Speaker 1>And the really alarming thing is this all happened after

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<v Speaker 1>his years of therapy. This happened after he was celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>how great his therapist was and how far he's come.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem for me because he's pretty much saying

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<v Speaker 1>like my therapist is the best here, I am a

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<v Speaker 1>new person, while simultaneously treating his partner like this, So

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<v Speaker 1>there's something that isn't adding up here.

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<v Speaker 2>And also using all the therapy buzzwords as a weapon

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<v Speaker 2>to further control and Brady went on. She went on

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<v Speaker 2>to say, emotionally abusive partners do not necessarily mean that

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<v Speaker 2>they are terrible people, and it quite often emerges from

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>their own trauma. But at the same time, one has

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<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind that it is not okay. The

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<v Speaker 2>only other thing I wanted to add because there has

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<v Speaker 2>been some really interesting tweets that have been happening off

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<v Speaker 2>the back of this. As we said, everyone is talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it now. Doctor Nicole Badera who's a psychologist, said

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<v Speaker 2>she's been tweeting a lot about it, and she's been

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<v Speaker 2>getting a lot of mixed replies from men who feel

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<v Speaker 2>triggered by the fact that maybe it is holding a

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<v Speaker 2>mirror up to their own behavior in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they are in their relationships. But this is what she

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<v Speaker 2>wrote in my replies, I see a whole lot of entitled,

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 2>jealous men who feel called out by this Jonahill discourse.

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>And just so you all know, women are not required

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<v Speaker 2>to live smaller lives because a boy is jealous. That

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<v Speaker 2>is controlling and there is no nice way to be controlling.

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>And the last one that I really enjoyed was this

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter and it said, if your boyfriend says not to

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<v Speaker 2>post that bikini pick, then you should ask him if

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<v Speaker 2>that's the jonah Hill he wants to die on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's such a great parn I love a pun.

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<v Speaker 1>That was good one boom, Yeah, like fuck off.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are somebody who's been in a relationship where

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<v Speaker 2>you have dated somebody who has controlled the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you posted, controlled the things that you wore, tried to

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<v Speaker 2>control your friendships or your relationships, it's so important to

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<v Speaker 2>see these conversations had in mainstream media because they think

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<v Speaker 2>it really holds a mirror up to how problematic this is,

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<v Speaker 2>how misogynistic it is, and how manipulative it is in relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Also talk about it whenever the hell you want, the

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>people that are coming for us, saying why would you

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<v Speaker 1>bring this up two years later because she feels like

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about it two years later. This is her story

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it, and she can talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>whenever she wants.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well it is time for accidentally unfiltered and

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 2>now because he is a very innocent one. But the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I loved it is because it is just

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<v Speaker 2>so unbelievably awkward that when I read it, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a visceral reaction for this poor person.

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<v Speaker 1>I love those ones, the ones that really make you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're there, like you feel like you want

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<v Speaker 1>to dig your own hole, or dig a hole for them.

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>And bury yourself in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, Okay, I was at work and I had just

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<v Speaker 2>had a somewhat very awkward conversation with my boss. We'd

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<v Speaker 2>had a meeting and it had ended, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>both had to do that walk, or you walk in

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<v Speaker 2>the same direction but kind of separately towards your desk. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd stopped to speak to someone, and I decided that

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to go to the bathroom, so I took

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<v Speaker 2>a little detour and there I was in the toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was on the toilet doing my thing when

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<v Speaker 2>I heard somebody else walk into the bathroom. I work

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<v Speaker 2>in a massive office, but I just got a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe it was my boss, and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to have to wash my hands in the basin and

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<v Speaker 2>dry my hands and have another awkward meeting with her

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<v Speaker 2>because the meeting we just had was bad enough. So

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<v Speaker 2>before I left the cubicle, I ever so slightly and

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<v Speaker 2>graciously just bent over and had a little glimpse underneath

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<v Speaker 2>the cubicle. Nah wait, because I wanted to see if

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<v Speaker 2>I could recognize her shoes that she was wearing underneath

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<v Speaker 2>the toilet door, so then I could wait for her

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<v Speaker 2>to leave. Here's where it gets bad. My boss was

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<v Speaker 2>doing the exact same thing, because we made eye contact

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>underneath the toilet door. Why what is wrong with you

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<v Speaker 2>both while sitting on the toilet. I was so fucking

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<v Speaker 2>mortified that I didn't leave the cubicle for a good

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes, and then we both just acted like nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine making eye contact with your boss underneath the public

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<v Speaker 2>toilet after just getting in trouble in a meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Why just do the old I'll flush the toilet first,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know how you really aggressively like pull the

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<v Speaker 1>toilet paper y, I'm wrapping like the meeting the toilet

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>meeting is winding enough, the toilet paper's coming out the zip, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do the zip, do the buttons? You flush the toilet,

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<v Speaker 1>you give it a second. It's normal worldwide toilet courtesy

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<v Speaker 1>to give them that like one minute grace to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>Just do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you both look under the duney?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter who the It doesn't matter if it

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<v Speaker 2>was your boss or not. No one is going to

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<v Speaker 2>the basin and washing their hands at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>You wait. If someone's flushing, they have right away, you

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<v Speaker 2>let them go.

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<v Speaker 1>It is standard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you never have a bathroom collision ever. And you

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<v Speaker 2>also never make eye contact with your boss underneath the

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<v Speaker 2>cubicle door.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro hot take, don't look under anyone's cubical door.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into the chat with Sabina. Joining

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast today is Sabina Read. Sabina is a psychologist,

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<v Speaker 2>a speaker, and co host of the Human Cogs podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and today we're talking about something that I think so

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<v Speaker 2>many of us have experienced at different points in our life,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is purpose anxiety. Sabina, Welcome to Life on Cut.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon we.

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<v Speaker 4>Would probably get almost a message of day Laura from

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 4>people in our in our listeners, or people who follow

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 4>us on social.

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<v Speaker 1>Media at a bit of a crossroads where.

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<v Speaker 4>They're kind of thinking, I don't really know if what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing is what I'm supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>All the other side of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is more I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel quite lost. And so it got us talking

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<v Speaker 4>amongst ourselves about what this actually could be, and after

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<v Speaker 4>doing a bit of googling, we found out that it

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<v Speaker 4>was called purpose anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>So could you explain to us from.

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<v Speaker 4>A psychologist's perspective, what is purpose anxiety?

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<v Speaker 3>Where you can see I'm trackling away, because don't we

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<v Speaker 3>have a label for everything. Clinically, there is no such

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<v Speaker 3>thing as purpose anxiety. You're not going to find it

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<v Speaker 3>in the DSM as a clinical diagnosis, But of course

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<v Speaker 3>it is what it sounds like. It's this feeling of frustration, sadness, searching, wondering,

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 3>uncertainty around am I doing or am I living the

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<v Speaker 3>way that I think I should be? Is my life

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<v Speaker 3>filled with purpose and meaning like I think it should be?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the word should there's pretty key because

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<v Speaker 3>in a way I think this has become too overcooked

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people. Of course, meaning and purpose

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<v Speaker 3>has been a part of human behavior since the dawn

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<v Speaker 3>of time. But this eternal search for it, or being

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<v Speaker 3>able to articulate it so neatly and wrap it in

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 3>a box tied in a bow, I think is probably

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 3>doing us a disservice.

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<v Speaker 2>How does someone know if they have spent too much

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 2>time worrying about what their purpose is or allowing it

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to overtake too much of their happiness? I guess because

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>we have been sort of fed this narrative that everybody

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 2>has a purpose, and that you should be able to

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>love your job, and you should be able to be

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 2>so happy, and everything feels very aspirational, and when you're

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.919
<v Speaker 2>falling short of that in your own life, or even

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 2>if you're young and you're at university and you're thinking, fuck,

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing with myself.

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>How does one know whether it's a normal amount of

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>stress versus really kind of sitting into this category where

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>they've kind of overcooked it.

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:42.879
<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this idea that there's only one destination of purpose,

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<v Speaker 3>one destination of meaning, is what's not helpful to me

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 3>having a life with meaning and purpose means that we

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<v Speaker 3>hit moments across the lifespan, small moments, big moments. But

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 3>we don't have to build an orphanage. We don't have

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 3>to save the whales, we don't have to invent the

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<v Speaker 3>yellow sticky note. We find meaning and purpose in sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>the smallest parts of our lives. And I think it's

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 3>this search for the one eternal point of meaning that

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<v Speaker 3>is what trips us up. So we may find that

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 3>we have a moment of meaning when we have an

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 3>exchange with another human who we never see again, who

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 3>we don't know. We may find that we have time

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 3>of meaning and purpose when we have an exchange with

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 3>our child or a colleague. To me, actually, if I

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 3>had to define what really bolsters meaning in our life,

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 3>it's impacting the life of another human. And that doesn't

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 3>mean thousands of other humans on mass We don't need

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 3>to be a motivational speaker with millions of followers. The

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 3>fact that at one point in our day we've impacted

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 3>someone else's life is meaningful. If you ask any human

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 3>what is meaningful in your life? Someone who's searching, someone

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 3>who may be experiencing purpose anxiety, what's the purpose in

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 3>your life? Usually people who are able to articulate form

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 3>of purpose telling us that they've impacted or touched or

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 3>connected with another human in some way, even for that

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 3>little moment in time. And I think we have this

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 3>idea that there's one perfect job for us, that there's

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<v Speaker 3>one perfect soulmate for us, that one house is going

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 3>to be the house that feels our heart and feels

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 3>like home. And I think that's unhelpful as well, And

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 3>rightly or wrongly, I think there are thousands of partners

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 3>that could make great partners for each of us. And

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 3>by great I mean probably partners that hold a mirror

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 3>to us. I think there's multiple jobs that would show us.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 3>It's why a career change is not uncommon and why

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 3>we move jobs. So I think if we think that

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 3>meaning and purpose is a destination, we've got it wrong.

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really the journey that we're on that

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 3>is peppered with moments of purpose and meaning.

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<v Speaker 4>What does it look like if someone's listening to this

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 4>right now, thinking oh, some of this is kind of

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 4>ringing a bit true to me. But what does it

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 4>look like or does it vary depending on the person

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<v Speaker 4>and what it is that you think they're trying to

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 4>find purpose in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you alluded to it earlier, Kesha, that

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 3>we either have this idea. It kind of comes in

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 3>two forms. It's either I don't have the purpose that

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I desire in my life. That's part one. Part two

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 3>might be that I do have a sense of what

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 3>brings me purpose or what I'm here to do, if

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 3>you like, but I don't know how to put it

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 3>into action. So both of those can be I guess

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 3>in invitation to explore further, you're asking what does it

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 3>actually look like? What does it feel like? I mean,

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 3>it's just this sense of disease, I would call it.

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 3>We're comparing ourselves to others. We're feeling lost, We're feeling uncertain.

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 3>We might feel apathetic. We might feel a paralysis for

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 3>some people, like a stuckness, like I don't know what

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.320
<v Speaker 3>to do next. So those are probably some of the feelings.

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 3>We might feel anxious, we might feel depressed. But this

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 3>is why it's important to note that this is not

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 3>a clinical diagnosis, because a lot of those emotions we

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 3>feel throughout life for a whole host of reasons, and

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 3>they're not all because they're a clinical diagnosis. They are emotions.

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Emotions are an invitation to explore and perhaps an invitation

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 3>to do things differently, not a red flag that the

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:09.359
<v Speaker 3>world's gone to ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean it's interesting, isn't it, because so many people,

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 2>and I think for myself when I've had moments of

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 2>this in my life, and They've come at different stages

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>of life too, when I've had big change, whether it's

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>been I know we touched on earlier university, but I

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>also had it when I became a mum. Do you

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>think as well for people who experience this, that it

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>comes from comparison, And I think increasingly so we have

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 2>so much access to people's lives, We have so much

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 2>access to comparison.

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Of course, we all know social media, and there are

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 3>the forces in the world that men that were always

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 3>continual in comparing ourselves with other people. But Laura, I

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 3>think what you said earlier is really important, and that's

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 3>that our meaning and purpose looks different across the lifespan.

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 3>And if you ask a twenty two year old what

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 3>is meaningful or purposeful in your life, you'll get a

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 3>very different answer than if you ask a fifty two

0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 3>year old or an eighty two year old or one

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 3>hundred and two year old. There's probably something we can

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 3>learn from that in some ways. You know, I love

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 3>the work of Ronnie Ware, who's the palliative care nurse

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 3>who talked about the five Regrets of the dying. So

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 3>she sat with people who were dying and listened to

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.759
<v Speaker 3>their main regrets. And I think there's some lessons in

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 3>those regrets because those are people who are at the

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 3>end of their life. And no one, not one of

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 3>those five top regrets was I wish I had more

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 3>purpose in my life. What they were talking about, perhaps

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 3>is I wish I had spent more time with the

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 3>people that I love, or I wish I allowed myself

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.959
<v Speaker 3>to be happier. That was another one of the top

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 3>five regrets. But of course, if you ask someone in

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 3>their twenties or younger years, they may express purpose as

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 3>perhaps linked to their job. Looking for a job. What

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:45.439
<v Speaker 3>should I be doing? I don't know what I should

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 3>be doing. I don't have a career, I don't have

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 3>a passion, so I feel purposeless. And so I think

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 3>the fact that our purpose and connection to purpose changes

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.439
<v Speaker 3>across the life span indicates again that there's not one

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 3>ideal place of arrival the constitutes purpose or a purposeful life.

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 4>Something I've heard Laura and Britt speak about a lot

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 4>on the podcast with a variety of guests over the

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 4>years is like the happiness trap, that idea of thinking

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 4>that your happiness is at a particular destination, and how

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 4>often if you kind of reach that point, you can go, oh,

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 4>fuck this did this actually doesn't feel like what I

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 4>thought it was going to feel like.

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Or it makes you happy for that little bit, and

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>then you get accustomed to that new thing and then

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 2>you need more.

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the goal shift, that kind of thing.

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 4>But I guess the other side of it is, I mean,

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 4>I would consider myself quite a driven person, particularly in

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.399
<v Speaker 4>my career for the past you know, ten years, and

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 4>I guess having that sense of purpose has made me

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 4>feel a sense of worthiness and a sense of validation.

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 4>And maybe not always from the right sources of validation,

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 4>but it definitely has brought me a sense of validation.

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 4>What are the positive aspects of feeling a sense of

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<v Speaker 4>purpose or maybe even achieving that sense of purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to say two things on that casion of

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 3>why is let's talk about what well being looks like.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Well being to me, the model that I refer to

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 3>all the time. The perman model of wellban has five

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 3>factors to it. Meaning and purpose is one of those

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 3>five factors of well being. But in addition to those

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.839
<v Speaker 3>is achievement. You've just talked about achievements. So in order

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 3>to live a life filled with well being and to

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 3>be a well being, like in the case of being

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 3>a noun, a well human, a wellbeing, we need to

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 3>have a sense of accomplishment and achievement that I set

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 3>goals and I meet goals. I set goals and I

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 3>meet goals. Plus, we need this idea that we're connected

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 3>to something bigger than ourselves. Really, that's what meaning and

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>purpose is. That's how I would define meaning and purpose.

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>In addition to those two, to live a life with

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 3>well being, we need to feel a sense of positive

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 3>emotions that might be lightness, humor, connection, joy. We need

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.879
<v Speaker 3>to also feel a sense of engagement in what we do.

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 3>And one of the ways we feel a sense of

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.800
<v Speaker 3>engagement is to tap into our natural strengths. Our natural

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 3>strengths are the things that we were probably doing when

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 3>we were four or five or ten years old. No

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 3>one was teaching us to do them. They were a

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 3>part of who we are, and if we let go

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 3>of those natural strengths in our adult lives, our sense

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 3>of well being is going to deteriorate. And the fifth

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.720
<v Speaker 3>ingrediental factor of well being is relational, so our connection

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 3>with other humans, whether it's an intimate one on one

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 3>relationship or friendships, or family or colleagues. So I think

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 3>it's relevant that you asked about achievement because achievement is

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 3>very much tied into a well being, but not necessarily

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 3>as directly correlated. I would say to meaning and purpose

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 3>and the second thing I wanted to say about that

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 3>you were talking then I think about extrinsic drivers. Of course,

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 3>an extrinsic driver is when you are validated by something

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 3>outside of yourself and by someone else. Usually so someone

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 3>says great job, someone says I want to give you

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 3>a pay rise, someone says you really nailed that. Then

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 3>we feel better about ourselves and there's nothing wrong with

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 3>it extrinsic validation. But we also need to look for

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 3>intrinsic drivers as well that come from within. Why did

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 3>that feel good to you? Because you learned, or you grew,

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 3>or you impacted someone else, or you overcame a challenge

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 3>that you didn't think you could. Those are intrinsic drivers,

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 3>and I think their scope for both.

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it also comes down to like, it's

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>slightly privileged to be able to have so much time

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 2>to think about purpose.

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 3>So for fear of sounding like a psychologist, because I'm

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>throwing a few theories your way, but it just I'm

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 3>throwing the theories in to say I haven't made this

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 3>shit up.

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>That's why we have you on. We can talk about

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. Did the Cows Come Home? But better that

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you do it?

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 3>No, Well, I like doing it with you. And I

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 3>don't have a theory for everything, and I certainly don't

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 3>have all the answers, but you're talking about some topics

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 3>that I'm pretty passionate about. So another theory that I

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 3>think is really relevant here Abraham Maslow, who was a

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 3>psychologist in the nineteen forties. So we're talking, you know,

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 3>eighty years ago. Many of your listeners will be familiar with,

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 3>if not by name, his hierarchy of needs. And he

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 3>proposed eighty years ago that it's kind of a linear

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 3>sequential meeting of needs or hierarchy of needs. So first

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 3>of all, we need the most basic needs met. That's shelter,

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 3>that's food. Sex is in that very basic physiological needs.

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 3>I think what he was getting to there was to

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 3>pro create is a basic need, and then he went

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 3>on to talk about more needs of safety and security

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 3>and employment, and then upper guys up the hierarchy. Relational

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 3>needs come next, and at the top is what he

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.240
<v Speaker 3>called self actualization, which is really what we're talking about today.

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 3>And if you are worrying about where you're going to

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 3>sleep tonight, not who you're going to sleep with, but

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 3>where you're going to sleep tonight or what meal you're

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 3>going to have, then you're not going to be thinking

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 3>how can I live my best life? And what is

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.879
<v Speaker 3>my purpose? So there is something about meeting these most

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 3>basic needs first. But I don't think this is just

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 3>due to the fact that our lives are automated and

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's a lot of technological advances. Because since

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 3>the dawn of time, I mean, reeks were looking for

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 3>what the meaning of love? Aristotle was asking these questions.

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:06.880
<v Speaker 3>So I think we're all been asking these questions forever.

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 3>It's part of the human condition to be trying to

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 3>make sense of why am I here and what's my

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.879
<v Speaker 3>purpose and what's my meaning. I think the other thing

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 3>that's important here is that even if you are struggling

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 3>with some of those more basic needs, you can create

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 3>a sense of meaning and purpose if, like we talked

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 3>about earlier, you think about how you will impact the

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 3>life of another. So even if you have no money

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 3>to support anyone else to donate money, you have a

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 3>smile that you can offer other people. You have a

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 3>voice that you can say to someone, how are you

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:43.359
<v Speaker 3>going today? Every one of us can do that, and

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 3>through those small exchanges, I think we do create a

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.720
<v Speaker 3>sense of meaning and purpose, and I think we overlook those.

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 3>We look for these big, bright sparks where people are

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.400
<v Speaker 3>applauded and really seeing for what they've done that's created

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 3>meaning and purpose. But we all have the capacity to

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:03.399
<v Speaker 3>create meaning and purpose or to impact someone else's life,

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 3>which creates meaning in our own life. And we can

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 3>break it down. You were talking about careers. I don't

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 3>know if you're familiar with the idea of job crafting,

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 3>but job crafting is the sense that even in the

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 3>job that you have, you might not want to be

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 3>the CEO, you might not want to be the top

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 3>of the tree. You might not be really driven or

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 3>really motivated. One of my favorite stories that came about

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 3>through the research in job crafting was when they researched

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 3>some cleaners in a hospital setting and they were asked,

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 3>what is the point of your role? What do you

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 3>do in the hospital? And some of those cleaners, of

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 3>course said well, I just mopped the floor, and I

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 3>wipe the bench and I disinfect her. But others took

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 3>it upon themselves. They even use language like I forget

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 3>what it was, but someone like I'm a human connection

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 3>officer or something. I don't know what the words were.

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 3>But what they had done in the job that they

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 3>held as a hospital cleaner was to take it upon

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.759
<v Speaker 3>themselves to move artwork around in the woods so that

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the patients to a bed ridden got

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 3>to see different art from their beds. They took it

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 3>upon themselves to walk visitors to and from the car park.

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 3>They were the hospital cleanness, but in their job they

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 3>found a way to impact the life of others, and

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 3>through doing that, they created meaning and purpose for themselves.

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 3>They didn't want to be the CEO of the hospital.

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 3>They wanted to make sure that what they were doing

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 3>had meaning and purpose.

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:26.879
<v Speaker 2>To others in the terms and the ways that you're

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>speaking about purpose and how it comes from this connection

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.439
<v Speaker 2>with people. But if I was to have someone say, oh,

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm lacking purpose in my life, initially, my

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 2>very first thought would have been job. And I say

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 2>that because they think that there's this real drive at

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the moment to own your own business, to be an entrepreneur,

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 2>to you know, have something I don't know, whatever, have

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 2>an Etsy store, whatever it is. There's always got to

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:50.280
<v Speaker 2>be something that's the side hustle to the main job,

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and that if you're doing a nine to five job

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 2>that you don't love, you must be settling and then

0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>therefore your life is a bit purposeless. Do you think

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>we sometimes place too much important on a very specific,

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.879
<v Speaker 2>stylized type of living life out in terms of career ambitions.

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do, Laura, and I think so many jobs

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 3>and what you just described is out there in social media,

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 3>so everyone's showing you at their side hustle looks like,

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 3>and they're showing you how much fun it is and

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 3>how they look in the process. I think employment is

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 3>really important. I mean research tells us that when people

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 3>aren't working, who have been working, or they take time

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 3>off either to look after their physical health or mental health,

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 3>orerhaps they've lost their job or they are needing to

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 3>care for someone else, that there is a dip in

0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 3>purpose in our lives. So sometimes I think we avoid

0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 3>work when we're really feeling fragile, or perhaps it's not

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 3>by choice either. And the research is telling us that

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.800
<v Speaker 3>being engaged in employment brings a sense of meaning and purpose,

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 3>and I think the hospital story kind of highlights that.

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 3>But perhaps, yes, we do have too much emphasis on

0:49:56.600 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 3>finding one love of your life, the soulmate, the one

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.319
<v Speaker 3>person that walks this earth that was made for you.

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 3>If you have that idea in your personal relationships or

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:11.439
<v Speaker 3>you have that idea in your job, I think some

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.440
<v Speaker 3>of us who hold on to that idea will be disappointed.

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't mean that the relationship that you're in that

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 3>fills you up isn't wonderful. It doesn't mean that if

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a job that is full of meaning and

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 3>purpose and growth and impact and development, but that's not wonderful.

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not the only place you can feel that, And

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 3>it's not with only that person that you can feel that.

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 3>And when we believe it is, and then we don't

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 3>get there, we don't grasp it. We fell out, We've failed.

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:39.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's a story that my grandma told me.

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:41.759
<v Speaker 4>It was when I was about to go to university.

0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 4>And she grew up a pretty working class in a

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 4>small country town in the north of England and she

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 4>moved over to Australia about sixty years ago now. But

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 4>she when she moved over here, you know, she had

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 4>two children and she raised them and then when they

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.880
<v Speaker 4>were in high school she started her job in retail

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 4>at what was called Great Brothers then it's now Maya.

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 4>But I remember her kind of taking my hand as

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 4>I was about to go to UNI, and she just

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:08.319
<v Speaker 4>said to me something along the lines of like, I

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 4>want you to.

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<v Speaker 1>Grasp how lucky you are to be able to go

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<v Speaker 1>and get this education, because I would have done anything

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to have an education, like I would have done anything

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 1>to be able to go to university.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess it can be a bit of a

0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 4>double edged sword, though, And I'm interested to know your

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:28.279
<v Speaker 4>thoughts on whether the opportunity to be able to do

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 4>whatever we want has overwhelmed us, you know, has it

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 4>given us too many options?

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Almost?

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't think, I mean it's a beautiful story, and

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 3>it's a good reminder of the lessons that you've gleaned

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 3>from your grandmother. I don't think we do our kids,

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 3>or the next generation, or anyone a service when we

0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:49.720
<v Speaker 3>tell them you can do anything, the world's your oyster,

0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 3>you can be whatever you want to be, because that's overwhelming.

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:59.399
<v Speaker 3>If a child internalizes that, literally, many children unconsciously will

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.319
<v Speaker 3>think what happens if I don't what MS if I

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.239
<v Speaker 3>can't what ams if I don't deliver that? And I

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 3>think we've seen a real rise in anxiety, not due

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 3>to that topic per se, but to that sense of

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 3>overwhelm and needing to deliver and not knowing how So,

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:17.800
<v Speaker 3>of course we want to support our children, and every

0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 3>well meeting parent, everyone who's ever said you can be

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 3>whatever you want to be has said it from a

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:25.760
<v Speaker 3>well meaning place. But I think it would be better

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 3>for parents or teachers, or educators or friends or community

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 3>members to ask some of the questions instead of what

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.720
<v Speaker 3>do you want to be? What do you want to feel?

0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 3>How do you want to feel in your life? Not

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 3>what do you want to be? And through those feelings,

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:46.000
<v Speaker 3>through that exploration, through understanding what energizes you and how

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 3>you impact others and how you would like to spend

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:52.000
<v Speaker 3>your time. You may come to a place of understanding

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 3>the way that you want to be employed. Now I

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 3>don't have stars in my eyes. You're right, there's a

0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:00.719
<v Speaker 3>level of privilege by having the choice. That's again why

0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 3>I go back to the hospital cleaner story. That's not

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.960
<v Speaker 3>a glamorous job. It's not a high paying job. But

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 3>some of the happiest people, some of the most fulfilled people,

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 3>some of the people that have the greatest depth of

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 3>meaning and purpose in their life, are not doing big,

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 3>glamorous things. And I think we need to head that reminder.

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not the big accolades that bring a sense of

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 3>meaning and purpose for everyone. For me, I've got a

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.880
<v Speaker 3>real portfolio career. I mean I speak, and I write,

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 3>and I pod and counsel, idio media, radio, TV. What

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I love about that is the diversity and the challenges

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.799
<v Speaker 3>and the growth and the connection with other people. That's

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:40.400
<v Speaker 3>what I love about it. If I was doing the

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 3>same thing every day, that wouldn't work for me, but

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 3>it will work for someone else. So instead of pretending

0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.879
<v Speaker 3>that there's a right way or a wrong way, it's

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 3>what parts of your day? How do you want to

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 3>spend your day? And it kind of goes back to

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 3>well what lit you up? A good question to ask

0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 3>is when I was a child, what lit me up?

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Another good question to us now is what do I

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 3>spend most of my time talking about with my friends?

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 3>These are good questions for people who are thinking what

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.920
<v Speaker 3>the fuck is my perpose? Similar so, what do you

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 3>spend your time talking about with your mates? What did

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 3>you do as a young child by choice? Not because

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.279
<v Speaker 3>someone was telling you you're a good boy or a

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 3>good girl for doing it, but because it's how you

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:22.720
<v Speaker 3>chose to naturally spend your time. When do you feel

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 3>most energized? Not at work, not at home, not with it,

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.440
<v Speaker 3>but just when? What are you doing when you're feeling energized?

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 3>It's questions not those that help us tap into what

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:35.960
<v Speaker 3>we are naturally connected to, and when we have a

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 3>natural connection to it, we're probably going to feel some

0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 3>level of meaning and purpose around it.

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>How profound is our blueprint as a child? I mean

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I would have thought the things that I did as

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.799
<v Speaker 2>a kid probably don't have that much impact on me.

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 2>But even as you said it, I was like It's

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:52.440
<v Speaker 2>so interesting to me because the things I used to

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>do as a kid is I used to entertain I

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.479
<v Speaker 2>used to do little concerts for my family, and now

0:54:56.760 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I work in entertainment. And you know, it surprises me

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 2>just how much when you said that that that actually

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 2>was the stuff that I did as a child. I

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 2>was super creative, and I wonder if that's the case

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.080
<v Speaker 2>for everyone. The things that we love now as adults

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 2>are truly were always there.

0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 3>You said, how big a blueprint is our childhood are that?

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 3>You said, it's mind blowing how big it is. We're

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.640
<v Speaker 3>so influenced by our young gy years the way, not

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 3>just we're talking about career and meaning and purpose now,

0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 3>but we could talk about our relationship with money, our

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 3>relationship to love, our relationship to conflict, to anger, to avoidance,

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 3>to fame, anything. We learned so much in our younger years,

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 3>consciously and unconsciously, and we seek to bring the best

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:39.640
<v Speaker 3>parts with us, but of course we don't because we're

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.760
<v Speaker 3>a flawed spacis. So we often bring some of those

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 3>things that happened served us well as kids, and we

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:49.319
<v Speaker 3>repeat them. I often talk about repeat versus repel, and

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:53.799
<v Speaker 3>we repeat and repel patterns and learnings through the generations,

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 3>sometimes consciously sometimes unconsciously. So we might say, well, in

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:03.759
<v Speaker 3>our home, we were really driven and education was highly regarded,

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 3>and I want that for my children. That's a repeat.

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 3>But we could also say there was so much emphasis

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:13.319
<v Speaker 3>placed on education in my childhood, and I want my

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 3>children just to have the freedom to explore without that

0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 3>lens or that pressure put on them. That's a repel.

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Then you marry someone else who's doing their own repeat

0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:25.279
<v Speaker 3>and repels, and they've got a repeat repel. Kind of clusterfuck, really,

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 3>because everyone's pushing and billing between where they came from,

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 3>what they want, where person B came from, and what

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 3>they want and welcome to married life.

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people in their kids or

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.720
<v Speaker 2>as they're growing up, they ignore those parts of themselves

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 2>that they loved as a child because maybe they weren't encouraged,

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 2>or maybe they were told that they weren't things that

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:49.279
<v Speaker 2>could turn into a career. I know for me, we

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.439
<v Speaker 2>found all my report cards from when I was a kid,

0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:53.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was always in trouble for talking too much.

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I was always in trouble for distracting people. Now you

0:56:56.640 --> 0:57:00.040
<v Speaker 2>get paid to people pay me to distract them. But

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the thing is is, for me, it was always talked

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>about as a negative. It was something that I felt

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.280
<v Speaker 2>shameful of that I couldn't concentrate enough. I would always

0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>distract other people. And so I guess this is probably

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:11.840
<v Speaker 2>the first time that I've thought about it. It was

0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:13.879
<v Speaker 2>a joy for me, like I love talking, and I'm

0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 2>sure it was very annoying to a lot of people,

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>but it was truly something that I loved.

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 3>So I think one of the things you're tapping into

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 3>there is that sometimes we're criticized for being USh. Often

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 3>we're criticized over the years for being us, And so

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 3>if you want to get deep from a psychological perspective,

0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I would say that we have what is the little

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 3>child in all of us is learning to cope in

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.040
<v Speaker 3>the world. And one of the things we look for

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 3>is to be praised and loved and seen to be safe,

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 3>because if our can givers don't love us, w's for it.

0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 3>So we're learning all the time how to please, how

0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 3>to do what's required, how to do what's expected of us.

0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 3>That's what I would call the adaptive child. They've adapted

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:57.680
<v Speaker 3>to the environment in order to survive. The wounded child

0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 3>is that time in your life when thets of you

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.040
<v Speaker 3>that are the natural parts of you are not seen,

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.720
<v Speaker 3>not accepted, not celebrated. So there's a hurt there around that,

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 3>and the adaptive child comes along and says, let's adapt

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:12.960
<v Speaker 3>somehow so that we can get on in this life.

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 3>This is a really normal, natural experience for me, every

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 3>young person, I would say, every child. But it's what

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 3>we do with that wounded child and that adaptive child

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.960
<v Speaker 3>as adults. What parts of those do we bring and

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 3>replicate and what parts do we realize we can leave behind.

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, adapted child for keeping me safe when I

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 3>don't need that now. So thank you for keeping me

0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:37.080
<v Speaker 3>safe by telling me at school to shut up, because

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.760
<v Speaker 3>that's what the teachers were doing. That's kept me safe

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 3>in that time. But I don't need to do that now.

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't need to adapt anymore. I can go back

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 3>to the natural, organic, authentic me before I became the

0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.480
<v Speaker 3>wounded child, before I became the adaptive child, to get

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:52.919
<v Speaker 3>on in life. Is that too deep?

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 2>No, I think it's perfect. And I'm also glad that

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned you know, it can be something that you

0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 2>carry throughout your life. Because I think a lot of

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 2>people get into relationships they feel like they have to

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>bend and flex and be different and dull certain parts

0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of their personality to appease the person that they've chosen

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:10.240
<v Speaker 2>to be in a relationship with. And these are things

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 2>that we do as kids and the things that we

0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 2>continue to do as adults. It's not that we become

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>adults and it just all of a sudden, Oh, we're

0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>allowed to be or able to be the most authentic

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 2>version of ourselves. I think a lot of us still

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:23.600
<v Speaker 2>feel like they have to kind of shape shift or

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 2>be a bit of a chameleon in certain environments.

0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Of course we do, and sometimes we do. Sometimes we

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 3>just have to edit just to do the right thing

0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:33.080
<v Speaker 3>wherever we are. But if we continue to do that,

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.880
<v Speaker 3>no wonder we have the levels of anxiety and depression

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 3>we have because we're gagging ourselves. We're pretending to be

0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 3>someone we're not. We're seeking validation, approval, acceptance, and love

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 3>where we're not really showing the world who we are.

0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 4>How much can what we are naturally good are and

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.840
<v Speaker 4>what we really want to do in life? And feeling

0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:56.440
<v Speaker 4>a sense of purpose be impacted by your responsibilities both

0:59:56.480 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 4>of you are mothers, and I assume that not only

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.000
<v Speaker 4>do you get a sense of purpose when you have

1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:04.680
<v Speaker 4>a child, and that's to raise a good kid and whatnot,

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:08.160
<v Speaker 4>but both of you are career women. Did you ever

1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:11.720
<v Speaker 4>feel the need to kind of suppress your desire to

1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 4>feel a sense of purpose in your career because you

1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:16.840
<v Speaker 4>had a bigger responsibility at the time.

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:19.840
<v Speaker 3>If I give everything to my children, I can't give

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:23.320
<v Speaker 3>anything to myself. I can't explore a career. I can't

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:25.919
<v Speaker 3>feel good about whooping it up outside the home, whether

1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:29.160
<v Speaker 3>that's personally or professionally or socially, because I've made a

1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:32.480
<v Speaker 3>decision to give fully and holy to my children. And then,

1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 3>not surprisingly, when that happens, you're like, oh, I want

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.000
<v Speaker 3>to do this all the time. This is not bringing

1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:41.360
<v Speaker 3>me what I thought it would. I've always wanted to

1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 3>do other things alongside parenthood. And now, in the fullness

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 3>of time, I'm in a different stage of life to you,

1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:51.720
<v Speaker 3>and I'm entering the empty nest sort of years my kids.

1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I've got two daughters who are twenty two and twenty,

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:58.040
<v Speaker 3>and I've got some peers and friends and people my

1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:02.320
<v Speaker 3>age who I observe have been fully engage with their children,

1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.760
<v Speaker 3>but their children are leaving now, and so talking at

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<v Speaker 3>this is relevant to the conversation we're having today around

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<v Speaker 3>meaning and purpose across the lifespan. If your meaning and

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<v Speaker 3>purpose is fully and solely defined by your parenting role,

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<v Speaker 3>of course you're always a parent, but you're not hands

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<v Speaker 3>on when your kids are adults. So what them do

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<v Speaker 3>your meaning and purpose? So I would hope that we're

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<v Speaker 3>able to give ourselves the grace, give each other the grace,

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<v Speaker 3>and woman to woman and man to man, parent to parent,

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<v Speaker 3>human to human, give ourselves the grace to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 3>we're made up of parts and all of these conflicting

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<v Speaker 3>parts need different things. But to pretend we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>these parts again, it's I think a big contributing fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting quite philosophical my soapbots now. But to why

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<v Speaker 3>we see anxiety and depression in the rates that we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, we cover more that I even thought

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<v Speaker 2>we would in terms of this conversation, and I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that's so much of this. When we first started

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<v Speaker 2>looking into it, we were like, oh, yeah, university students,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the ones who really feel like they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you had that period of life where you finish

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<v Speaker 2>school and you're not sure that. As we've established, it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that people experience at all different points of life,

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<v Speaker 2>at all big transitions, and I think it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>we won't stop experiencing for as long as there is

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<v Speaker 2>big change that happens, which there.

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<v Speaker 3>Always will be. So we have to lean in, we

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<v Speaker 3>have to be curious. We have to bring acceptance and

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<v Speaker 3>surrender and hope and purpose and movement and action instead

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<v Speaker 3>of thinking what the fuck's happening? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I love every single day, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that there was a I'm so terrible for

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<v Speaker 4>saying this because it's a quote that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>have to paraphrase at best because I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 4>actual words of it, and I don't even remember who

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<v Speaker 4>it was from.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, he's just going to butcher this completely. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>put it at the end of the PODT.

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<v Speaker 4>It went along the lines of like, people won't remember

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<v Speaker 4>what you earned, they won't remember what you wore, but

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<v Speaker 4>they will remember the way that you made them feel.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>Putton, you're not quite on it almost.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you nailed the sentiment that people remember how you

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<v Speaker 3>make them feel, not what you say, not what you

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<v Speaker 3>look like, not what you do. I reckon the takeaway,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just connection, it's what's something bigger than yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Something bigger than yourself is how we carve out meaning

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<v Speaker 3>and purpose. And I think something bigger than yourself is

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<v Speaker 3>nearly always the way you impact others. So connection infers

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<v Speaker 3>that we've actually had an exchange and we've connected, but

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<v Speaker 3>we can impact others who we haven't connected with. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I'm splitting hairs on that one. Even though

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<v Speaker 3>you had a ripper quote that a river half.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we never finished an episode without our

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<v Speaker 1>sucking our sweet the highlight and the low light of

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<v Speaker 1>the week. I will kick it off. I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a few to chew from this week, which doesn't happen often.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually I'm scrambling, but there the.

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<v Speaker 2>Sucks are for sweets. You're like, my life is so neutral,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing good or bad happens, you see.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just platoing, like I'm just cruising along. No, my

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<v Speaker 1>suck's actually so dumb and no one's ever gonna know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's not gonna know. But I forgot a birthday

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<v Speaker 1>this week, who's a very important person delight. Delilah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>on the fourth of July, and I should remember because

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a like the fourth of July she turned

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<v Speaker 1>two years old and I forgot it. But she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know because she's on holiday with my parents, so she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know I forgot the birthday. She also doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>because she's a dog. There's that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Do she realize that she's been shafted off to her parents?

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<v Speaker 2>At your parents' house, she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Having the time of a life. She's on a beach

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<v Speaker 1>vacations up in Port Macquarry. There's two other dogs to

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<v Speaker 1>play with. They get videos that She's not gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>to come home. She is going to hate me. But

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<v Speaker 1>I got a message yesterday from producer Keisha middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night. Oh my god, I forgot Delilah's birthday. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that, and I was like, it's okay, I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>it too. Let's not let's let's agree to not tell Delilah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess I made a packet. Delia will never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna be okay? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty bad to forget your own child's birthday, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if I just forgot Molly's birthday entirely. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>should feel pretty bad for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And my sweet for the week is also everyone's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hate me because it's so stupid as well. But my

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<v Speaker 1>sweet is all the moms are gonna hate me because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have Delilah, who is like my child I've

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<v Speaker 1>been sleeping in.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're all gonna laugh because it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>real child. But I also have to get up early

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<v Speaker 1>to take her outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a legitimate she wakes up so early totally

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<v Speaker 2>like he walks straight away.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's like the real, real, low like

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<v Speaker 1>entry level to what maybe maybe one percent of having

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<v Speaker 1>a child is like, because I do have to wake

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<v Speaker 1>up super early so she can go and empty a

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<v Speaker 1>bladder because I don't have a dog it or because

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<v Speaker 1>I live in a Bondae apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>And you do sometimes breastfeed her, so that's sometimes the breastfeers.

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<v Speaker 1>She really needs to fuck you. What's your suck?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>My suck for the week, I mean, apart from getting

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<v Speaker 2>my period day fucking one of my what do we

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<v Speaker 2>call it again? The period? Blood flood, honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 5>Blood flood, blood flood hashtag honeymoon blood flood gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that was my main suck. I genuinely don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a very big suck this week because it was such

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing week with my family in Fiji. I had

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<v Speaker 2>such a beautiful time, and it was also Matt's birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to say that my sweet for the

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<v Speaker 2>week was Matt's birthday, which was the sixth of July,

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<v Speaker 2>two days after Delilah's. Didn't forget it, and we got

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<v Speaker 2>to go snorkeling, and the thing that was so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>So the place that we stayed at in Fiji was

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<v Speaker 2>the same place that we stayed at for our baby moon,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's where Matt proposed. So the last time I

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<v Speaker 2>was there, I was seven months pregnant. We went snorkeling

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of did all the things that we did

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<v Speaker 2>this time, except it was so beautiful to revisit it

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<v Speaker 2>reflect on the fact that life has changed so much

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<v Speaker 2>in the past four years. But something that was really

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<v Speaker 2>special and completely has nothing to do with my family

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<v Speaker 2>is we went snorkeling along the reef there four years

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<v Speaker 2>ago and the reef was almost completely white wall like,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really badly affected by coral bleaching and over

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<v Speaker 2>the past four years, something amazing has happened in that

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<v Speaker 2>area and so much of the coral reef has actually

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<v Speaker 2>come back to life. And so we went snorkeling in

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<v Speaker 2>that same area and it was incredible to see just

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<v Speaker 2>how beautiful, bright and colorful it was, which.

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<v Speaker 1>So cool not only to see like how far you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have come as a couple, but how far the

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<v Speaker 1>reef has come in that time.

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<v Speaker 2>You truly we've all made so many changes for the best.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that is in all seriousness, that's amazing, because we

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<v Speaker 1>are close to losing a lot of the natural wonders

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the reef, especially in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it shat all over the Great Barrier reef, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've done snorkeling and with a Great Bearrier

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<v Speaker 2>reef like beautiful. Yes, sure, but this was phenomenal and

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a nice day. We put the kids

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<v Speaker 2>into kids clad and we Matt and I went and

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<v Speaker 2>had a little cute day together as a couple, just

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<v Speaker 2>the two of us, and it was so much. That

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<v Speaker 2>was my sweet for the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like because before you left you had

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<v Speaker 1>made a comment on the podcast and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you really needed to connect, reconnect with Matt. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you got what you came for or

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<v Speaker 1>did he spend too much time doing laps underwater?

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<v Speaker 2>Did we connect as much physically as what I would

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<v Speaker 2>have liked?

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<v Speaker 1>Did the penis connect with the Virginia?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, there was there wasn't as much of that connection.

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<v Speaker 2>But look, you know, if we're working on it, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a work in progress. Everyone.

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