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Speaker 3: Good shot, Selena.
Speaker 1: I didn't see you coming. I was just practicing, but.
Speaker 2: You didn't see me coming across the empty basketball court
Speaker 2: in the middle of an empty stadium.
Speaker 1: Was just in the zone.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is a setup, romantic ride, unusual.
Speaker 1: Thank you allow me.
Speaker 2: Thank you. You're looking very handsome, by the way, are you?
Speaker 3: Are you texting?
Speaker 1: No tweeting?
Speaker 3: What are you tweeting?
Speaker 1: Romance isn't dead. Treat your lady right, fellas?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's actually pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: Hashtag real all caps all right? Want to watch Titanic.
Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, pop star Justin Bieber rented out the
Speaker 2: entire Staples Center stadium in La so that he and
Speaker 2: then girlfriend, actress and singer Selena Gomez could have a
Speaker 2: private dinner and watch a movie.
Speaker 1: I talk about a bit of a flex.
Speaker 2: Especially when you look at the pictures of them, because
Speaker 2: they look like they're about fourteen years old. They're children,
Speaker 2: They're very, very cute, but it's very weird to look
Speaker 2: at their little faces and know that they can rent
Speaker 2: out because they have enough money to rent out and
Speaker 2: entire freaking stadium just for a date.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a bit jealous, if anything. I think
Speaker 1: we can pay it out as much as we want,
Speaker 1: but I would love to be able to rent out
Speaker 1: an entire stadium to watch the Titanicum.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, I don't think it all
Speaker 3: ended very well.
Speaker 1: Well sounds like a podcast episode in the making, doesn't
Speaker 1: it funny you should say that.
Speaker 2: So I'm Britt and I'm Laura and is hooked, hitched,
Speaker 2: and hung up? The show about the juiciest celebrity relationships
Speaker 2: you can't get enough of, and the ones well maybe
Speaker 2: you didn't.
Speaker 1: Know about, but this is one that nobody could have missed.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, just a quick heads up that this episode
Speaker 2: contains some adult themes and occasional spicy language, so it's
Speaker 2: not recommended for little ears. This relationship between Justin and
Speaker 2: Selena is so big that it actually feels kind of
Speaker 2: stupid when you think about it. At the start of
Speaker 2: the twenty tens, you couldn't find a more famous person
Speaker 2: than Selena Gomez except for Justin Bieber. And they were
Speaker 2: both child stars just beginning their transition into.
Speaker 1: Adulthood, which always goes.
Speaker 2: Well, right, yeah, I mean when you see the transition
Speaker 2: from child stars to adults, it always just works out seamlessly.
Speaker 3: You're welcome, please, Drew very much.
Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you.
Speaker 3: It's met into idulating.
Speaker 1: Oh my to meet you. And here and here he
Speaker 1: is Macaulay Culkin.
Speaker 2: Did you want to.
Speaker 3: Go into the business or did your mom and dad
Speaker 3: think it would be a good thing for you. How'd
Speaker 3: it happen?
Speaker 2: Well, just kind of popped up disaster. I always find
Speaker 2: it interesting when you think about these teen stars or
Speaker 2: child stars, is what they were at the time, but
Speaker 2: looking back even before they had their big break at
Speaker 2: like where they were in their families and like what
Speaker 2: their upbringing was like. And for Selena, she was born
Speaker 2: in Texas. She was from what she describes as an
Speaker 2: incredibly poor family. There's a story about how her and
Speaker 2: her mum would have to go through the glove box
Speaker 2: to find dollar coins to be able to buy dinner.
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, you hear that story and then.
Speaker 2: You fully just go, like, God, what a hard life
Speaker 2: that would have been. But also simultaneously, she was doing pageants,
Speaker 2: and she was doing acting, and she was doing singing.
Speaker 2: So you kind of think, if you're so poor, how
Speaker 2: do you have the money to be a chance star.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where all the money went. Maybe she was
Speaker 1: just like I know, there was some potential there. Maybe
Speaker 1: she was a Mama Jush. She was.
Speaker 2: Probably she was a Mama Josh was the Mamaja.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was the original. She was before Christiana. She
Speaker 1: was the og Mummager.
Speaker 3: So her name was Amanda.
Speaker 2: That is Selena's mum, and Selena's mum had Selena when
Speaker 2: she was only sixteen years old, so they were incredibly
Speaker 2: close because they were also very very close in age,
Speaker 2: and she took her around and she had her big
Speaker 2: break when she kind of like made it onto the
Speaker 2: screens and started to make a name for herself. That
Speaker 2: was in two thousand and two on Barney and Friends.
Speaker 1: I remember that. That's how I remember her. Actually, this
Speaker 1: is why it's weird for me to look at now
Speaker 1: when she's so sexy, because I remember this really innocent,
Speaker 1: like Disney girl, and I'm like, I can't correlate the two.
Speaker 2: She really did thirteen episodes of Barney and Friends before
Speaker 2: she was deemed that she had aged out of the show.
Speaker 2: That with the trash, I think she was what was
Speaker 2: she seven at the time?
Speaker 1: Cras over, You're seven, You're done? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, imagine being a child star and being
Speaker 2: seven years old. You get your first gig, and then
Speaker 2: you told that you're too old for the show after
Speaker 2: thirteen episodes.
Speaker 1: Some of us are still grinding at thirty three.
Speaker 2: Here we are.
Speaker 3: One day we'll make a baby.
Speaker 2: But the thing with this is like, even though it
Speaker 2: was only such a short stint, it was enough to
Speaker 2: get her into a more consistent line of work at
Speaker 2: the age of seven.
Speaker 3: So she then went on.
Speaker 1: One consistency and you work load at seven.
Speaker 2: Don't you. I think the thing that she became known
Speaker 2: for is the fact that she was like a little
Speaker 2: Disney star.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we know what Selene is doing as a
Speaker 1: very very young, small, innocent, hard working truck in her
Speaker 1: poncho and approach at seven. What is Justin doing right now?
Speaker 1: Where is he because he must be all of what
Speaker 1: Like I guess he's five.
Speaker 2: So, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So he's peak career, he's getting ready for retirement.
Speaker 2: No, he's literally just about to launch. So I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people know, they know that he was
Speaker 2: like the YouTube sensation. But what I don't think a
Speaker 2: lot of people know is that Justin's mum and dad
Speaker 2: and that's Jeremy Bieber and his mum, Patty. Jeremy walked
Speaker 2: out when Patty was pregnant, so Justin's dad kind of
Speaker 2: wasn't in the picture that those.
Speaker 3: First early years.
Speaker 2: He regrets that Patty wrote a book and it is
Speaker 2: extremely harrowing.
Speaker 3: She was hideously sexually abused by.
Speaker 2: Her family and she tried to commit suicide and then
Speaker 2: it was like after that period of her life that
Speaker 2: she found God. And that's the reason why Justin was
Speaker 2: brought up in such a hugely evangelical Christian way. So
Speaker 2: he's been brought up in this family that's like a
Speaker 2: really broken family with a mum who has had a
Speaker 2: lot of issues throughout her life. And then she starts
Speaker 2: a YouTube channel for him, like he's incredibly gifted at drumming,
Speaker 2: at playing guitar, at singing.
Speaker 3: She starts a YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: Well, before the time of when celebrities were using YouTube,
Speaker 2: and she starts it as a way to share with
Speaker 2: her family and her friends the music that he's creating,
Speaker 2: because he's just like this.
Speaker 3: Little prodigy talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that starts to snowball. So whereas Selena
Speaker 2: has taken a bit more of a traditional route into
Speaker 2: becoming famous, she's like done the child star hustle. Justin
Speaker 2: is before his times. There has never been a story
Speaker 2: like his, And now there's loads of them, loads of.
Speaker 3: People that are plucked out of YouTube all over the place.
Speaker 2: But he was literally the first person to be discovered
Speaker 2: as this YouTube sensation, and so as he was growing up,
Speaker 2: he had two hundred thousand followers on YouTube at the time,
Speaker 2: he was the most followed musician in Canada, the most
Speaker 2: followed musician on YouTube at that period in time.
Speaker 1: The guy that discovered him, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: It's Scooter Braun.
Speaker 3: He was this Scooter Braun guy.
Speaker 1: He's a wanker?
Speaker 2: Is he a wenker? Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean I am very pro Taylor Swift. I mean
Speaker 1: he's doing bad right now. This is like breaking news.
Speaker 1: He is also now having a fight with kid LAROI
Speaker 1: our homegrown talent. They're having a falling out now too,
Speaker 1: So there's a common denominator here with all these young
Speaker 1: child stars on Scooter Braun, and it's Scooter Braun.
Speaker 2: So Scooter Braun the guy that we hate. So he
Speaker 2: discovers Justin Bieber. Apparently this is a story. Came home
Speaker 2: from a night out, he was drunk, sat down on
Speaker 2: YouTube as you do, and Justin Bieber was singing this
Speaker 2: Aretha Franklin song and then he got super deep in it.
Speaker 2: He then caught up Justin Bieber's mom pad and was like,
Speaker 2: you have to come to La, basically harassed her into
Speaker 2: bringing Justin Bieber to La, and that was where this
Speaker 2: all then started.
Speaker 1: I remember when he released his very first song and
Speaker 1: everyone was raving about this Justin Bieber. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: the lyrics because he was such a baby face, little
Speaker 1: kid like, because he was singing about things that were
Speaker 1: not necessarily young, like he's singing about adult topics in this,
Speaker 1: and he looked younger for his age, Like even now,
Speaker 1: as a twenty eight year old, he still looks super young.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's twenty two, So imagine how young
Speaker 1: he looked at sixteen. So for me, it was like
Speaker 1: I'm not believing it. I couldn't get down and I
Speaker 1: couldn't like, I couldn't get jiggy with it because I
Speaker 1: was like, you look like a tiny little boy.
Speaker 2: He please never get jiggy like that again. I couldn't
Speaker 2: like jiggy with it. When that period of his life started,
Speaker 2: the chorus to his life became screaming girls. That's what
Speaker 2: he became known for because they just followed him and
Speaker 2: mobbed him everywhere he went.
Speaker 1: And I mean, of course that was going to end
Speaker 1: in disaster. How can you be that age and have
Speaker 1: this amount of fame, money, pressure, sex.
Speaker 2: It's like sexual advances everything you want.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine he could have had sex with anyone
Speaker 1: he wanted as like a sixteen year old, but he
Speaker 1: would have been scared. He wouldn't have been into that.
Speaker 2: Think about it, when the people who are supposed to
Speaker 2: support you when they make money off you, Like his
Speaker 2: mom was also partly his manager, Scooter Braun was the
Speaker 2: closest person to him. All of these people make money
Speaker 2: off his inevitable success. So he dropped out of school
Speaker 2: when he was in year eight, and as much as
Speaker 2: he was he still did his education, he still followed,
Speaker 2: but like all that is homeschooling on the road whilst
Speaker 2: you're becoming this superstar. And even recently he said, and
Speaker 2: he's come out on his Instagram and he was like,
Speaker 2: apart from being a singer and a dancer, I lack
Speaker 2: every other skill that there is to have in life
Speaker 2: because they didn't anything. And that's exactly right. But we
Speaker 2: didn't see this at this time. And I think that
Speaker 2: so much of the system fails these like huge child
Speaker 2: stars that transition into being like adult super megastars.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was worth couple one hundred million,
Speaker 1: we'll give up a couple of years of school. Two
Speaker 1: beggars can't be choos, as Laura Ben.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's circle back to Selena for a little while,
Speaker 2: because while Justin Bieber is still a little bit obscure
Speaker 2: at this point in time, Selena is the one who
Speaker 2: is more famous.
Speaker 1: Well, up until now, we've known her as a singer,
Speaker 1: but then in the last year or two she's in
Speaker 1: a movie at the moment, but the last year or
Speaker 1: two she's gone back to acting.
Speaker 3: God triple threat.
Speaker 1: She can dance as well, and she's the most following
Speaker 1: person in the world, and she's hot, like she's a
Speaker 1: what's five, She's a Pentagon thing.
Speaker 2: So there's lots of speculation around whether or not their
Speaker 2: relationship was a bit of a publicity relationship at the start.
Speaker 1: No, don't believe it. It was young loves was it the
Speaker 1: young teenage infatuation.
Speaker 2: So the way that they met is that Scooter Braun
Speaker 2: called up Selena's um, Amanda and said Justin Bieber has
Speaker 2: a crush on your daughter.
Speaker 3: We should get them together.
Speaker 2: And that's legit. They've both come out and like confirmed that.
Speaker 2: So Selena came and she met Justin. But Justin, to remember,
Speaker 2: is like two years younger than her, and Selena is
Speaker 2: quite mature for her age at this point in time
Speaker 2: as well. And so there's quite a few media articles
Speaker 2: and media interviews where the press are asking her like, oh,
Speaker 2: what's going on between you and Justin?
Speaker 3: You and Justin?
Speaker 2: And she talks down on him. She's like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: a bit of a dog. He's just a little kid,
Speaker 2: you know. I see him as my little brother. And
Speaker 2: she says these things not in a malicious way, and
Speaker 2: she's like, I love him, but as a little brother,
Speaker 2: and so there's loads and loads of questions because obviously
Speaker 2: they're quite good friends, but there's nothing romantic at this
Speaker 2: point in time.
Speaker 1: I like to think that maybe they were just young
Speaker 1: love and they didn't want to be in the public eye,
Speaker 1: so they're like, we're just friends because they're only like
Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen. Imagine what that would be like, Like, Ill,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be like kissing and holding hands
Speaker 1: in public when you're fifteen and have the whole world watching.
Speaker 3: I like that, You're like, you give them such the
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: That's people like, but they're not, like they haven't grown
Speaker 2: up in the world that we've grown up in. Like
Speaker 2: she's being a star her whole life, like she's she
Speaker 2: knows this well.
Speaker 1: Back to front.
Speaker 2: I just think at this age, like at this time,
Speaker 2: she just wasn't into him. If you see photos of
Speaker 2: them together, he does look like a deeby little kid
Speaker 2: with his long hair and he's like baggy little pants.
Speaker 2: He's just like, there's no way that. In two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, Selena was into Justin bieber Well, she's calling it.
Speaker 1: In twenty ten, they were spotted at ihop Now Ihop
Speaker 1: if you don't know, is a pancake place in America.
Speaker 1: I've been there. It's not very good. I don't know
Speaker 1: why the Americans have it. I don't know why to change.
Speaker 1: But they were seen there in twenty ten on David
Speaker 1: Leedhiman in twenty eleven. He you know, as you do,
Speaker 1: you try and pull his information out. You're trying to
Speaker 1: get the headline. She's like, actually, no, we have known
Speaker 1: him for a few years. It's just really nice to
Speaker 1: have a best friend and someone going through what you're
Speaker 1: going through. So she is constantly playing it down. But
Speaker 1: when was the first time that the world saw they
Speaker 1: were together? When was this confirmed?
Speaker 2: I guess this is where things are a little bit unclear,
Speaker 2: because now there are so many photos over the next
Speaker 2: year where they're seeing like can noodling with each other,
Speaker 2: or Justin's kissing Selena on the cheek, or they're holding hands.
Speaker 2: But they both well more so Selena Justin just kind
Speaker 2: of acts coy and media. But Selena continues to deny
Speaker 2: that they're actually in a relationship. She's like, no, we're
Speaker 2: just friends. It's so great to have someone who actually
Speaker 2: understands me. And I guess The interesting thing about this,
Speaker 2: well their relationship from the beginning, is that Justin doesn't
Speaker 2: have any friends or anyone who can relate to the
Speaker 2: world that he's in, whereas Selena's grown up in this world,
Speaker 2: she has all of these friends around her that have
Speaker 2: experienced a very similar lifestyle, and he's just been plopped
Speaker 2: into it. So I guess there is kind of that
Speaker 2: that makes you think or maybe they were just friends
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 3: However, the reason why I.
Speaker 2: Think that they use this hugely to their advantage and
Speaker 2: why it did become a little bit of a leaning
Speaker 2: into publicity, and why I think they're maybe not as
Speaker 2: innocent as what you think they are, pretty is because
Speaker 2: every time there was like a big thing going to happen,
Speaker 2: like whether it was an album launch or a single
Speaker 2: was going to drop, or there was something that they
Speaker 2: were going to promote, you would get guarantee that a
Speaker 2: few days earlier there were photos that had been pat
Speaker 2: which obviously this cycle of like.
Speaker 3: Baiting the audience.
Speaker 2: Everyone want to know like are they together, aren't they together?
Speaker 3: Are they in love?
Speaker 2: Because it's just this aspirational pairing.
Speaker 1: That is literally standard Hollywood behavior, that's that is completely
Speaker 1: normal you go and like you have a pup, you
Speaker 1: do a publicity sign, You're like, oh, something's coming up.
Speaker 1: But it gets some headlines, better, get some attention, but
Speaker 1: get people guessing. And I think that that would have
Speaker 1: been out of their control too. I'm still defending them.
Speaker 1: That was out their control, that was their mummages and
Speaker 1: managers totally.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that they're not that they're not innocent in this.
Speaker 2: They are innocent in this because they're a product of
Speaker 2: the whole wheel of what is you know, being this
Speaker 2: pr able machine. But at the same time, I do
Speaker 2: think that they were doing what was in their best interests.
Speaker 1: Like cell and this is what made this is the
Speaker 1: reason people went so crazy and were so obsessed with
Speaker 1: them because they were dying to know.
Speaker 2: So this period of them dating, this is the first
Speaker 2: phase of their relationship, and their relationship gets increasingly more chaotic, rocky, codependent, toxic,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It was a hectic decade.
Speaker 2: It was a it was a yeah, they saw some years,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. That this period was like blissful, gorgeous
Speaker 2: young love. The way that they speak about each other
Speaker 2: in media, like they are so beautifully love. It's actually sickening,
Speaker 2: is what it is to hear like two sixteen year
Speaker 2: olds talk about or think they were like seventeen eighteen
Speaker 2: at the time, but like they're so in love, so
Speaker 2: in love. It's the dream, it's the tree still looking
Speaker 2: for it, which is why in twenty twelve, when they
Speaker 2: decide to call it off, it's almost an unbelievable thing.
Speaker 3: This is hooked, hitched, and hung up.
Speaker 2: And in this episode we are unpacking the teen love
Speaker 2: story that kept on giving literally over and over and
Speaker 2: over for a decade. Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez all right, now,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's time for us to get into
Speaker 2: the great split of twenty twelve, where Justin and Selena
Speaker 2: were no more for the first time.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: There were a few factors that actually led to this.
Speaker 2: For example, Justin had been accused of getting another chick
Speaker 2: pregnant at a concert.
Speaker 3: It was all confirmed that that wasn't.
Speaker 1: True also Hollywood standard totally.
Speaker 2: So the reason that was given as to why they
Speaker 2: had broken up was the fact that Selena was insecure
Speaker 2: by every single young girl in the entire world wanting
Speaker 2: to be with Justin, so that there was this feeling
Speaker 2: of insecurity that she had, but also that their growing
Speaker 2: work schedules and everything kept them apart, and so that
Speaker 2: was the reason why they couldn't be together.
Speaker 3: And that's when they called their relationship to an end.
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve the first time, the first time them
Speaker 2: things go progressively downhill. So this is when it all
Speaker 2: kind of starts to fall apart, and more so for.
Speaker 1: Justin, he almost had a mini breakdown.
Speaker 3: I think he had a big one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But imagine doing all that in the public eye.
Speaker 1: I mean that the most watched person in the world.
Speaker 2: After Selena and Justin broke up, they then went on
Speaker 2: to write a bunch of songs about each other. Selena
Speaker 2: wrote a song which was Love Will Remember and it
Speaker 2: came out into thirteen. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this song, but this
Speaker 3: song actually.
Speaker 2: Starts with a voicemail message that Justin Bieber left for Selena,
Speaker 2: like a private voicemail message. It's it says like, you're
Speaker 2: a princess, You're worthy of all the love in the world,
Speaker 2: and you are the love of my life.
Speaker 1: You are sharing your heart and soul with someone that
Speaker 1: you love privately. And I mean Selena is or she
Speaker 1: is now one of the biggest people on Instagram. I
Speaker 1: don't know how big she was at that time. She's
Speaker 1: obviously very popular, but imagine that private moment being shown
Speaker 1: to the whole world. Please take your sea quick and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: thanks you.
Speaker 2: And the funniest part about this whole situation is that,
Speaker 2: like Justin's voicemail message is at the very beginning, but
Speaker 2: then the song itself, she's.
Speaker 3: Saying it's a lie.
Speaker 2: She's saying, you know you've done this and everything you
Speaker 2: said wasn't true.
Speaker 3: And then Justin brings out.
Speaker 2: Bad Day, which came out the same year, and it's
Speaker 2: basically like a song that says, you know, sorry, I
Speaker 2: took you for granted and didn't treat you right, but
Speaker 2: you didn't have to just go and leave me. And
Speaker 2: that happens if you don't treat someone right, they leave
Speaker 2: Justin spoiler fifty eleven.
Speaker 1: Selena also had a song called Forget Forever. This is
Speaker 1: where she says, our love was made to rule the world.
Speaker 1: You came and broke the perfect girl. Also, are you
Speaker 1: allowed to call yourself perfect?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you are when you're Selena Gomez
Speaker 2: and you have the most Instagram followers in the entire world.
Speaker 1: And she's perfect. Justin then put out a song called
Speaker 1: Heartbreaker in twenty thirteen. I just love that. This is
Speaker 1: tip for tat Well you put us song, I'll put
Speaker 1: another one out. I'll put another one out.
Speaker 2: Like are they releasing these songs? It's their way of
Speaker 2: expressing their feelings for each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have email, text, carry passion, voice, you
Speaker 1: could pull, you could do a smoke signal. There are
Speaker 1: plenty of ways you cou could commute.
Speaker 2: Well. I mean we all know that voicemail messages end
Speaker 2: up in songs. Anyway. When people of this level of
Speaker 2: prolificness are releasing songs about their relationships, it's also a
Speaker 2: way to engage their audience, right. It's also a way
Speaker 2: of like using your relationship to not just as creative ammunition,
Speaker 2: I guess, but also to kind of bait your audience.
Speaker 3: And drum up media attention.
Speaker 1: When like we go through something personly on Instagram, so
Speaker 1: he put a deep quote up that's like you will
Speaker 1: regret this one day or something like that, Like you
Speaker 1: want to bait your audience in to be like you're
Speaker 1: going through something.
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody knows that first loves hit you hard.
Speaker 2: But the period that followed the breakup between Selena and
Speaker 2: Justin in twenty twelve was definitely really, really rough for Justin,
Speaker 2: and he went from being this sweet, little innocent kid
Speaker 2: with his side fringe and speaking all niceties about Selena,
Speaker 2: his beautiful, wholesome girlfriend, to the period that Justin went
Speaker 2: through where he became quite a brat.
Speaker 1: No one really liked him for a while there, did they.
Speaker 2: I mean, he went from being this wholesome, like good
Speaker 2: boy to being the bad boy Justin. In twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: his bodyguard had been accused of attacking a paparazzi and
Speaker 2: Justin had to appear in a deposition for this. In
Speaker 2: that video, he honestly seemed like he was just this bratty,
Speaker 2: little snotty teenager, but in actual fact, he was twenty
Speaker 2: at the time, and he's obviously still very torn up
Speaker 2: about Selena at this point, which is two years later.
Speaker 3: Are we recording, okay?
Speaker 2: Do you remember earlier today when I asked you, no,
Speaker 2: why don't you listen to what I have to say
Speaker 2: first and then maybe you'll come to an answer. I
Speaker 2: don't have to listen to anything you have to say,
Speaker 2: would you please look at the film?
Speaker 3: This is a film? Cause it would you please watch
Speaker 3: the television?
Speaker 1: You said this is a film?
Speaker 3: Is this a film?
Speaker 2: Is there a difference between a film and what I'm
Speaker 2: asking you to watch? Have you ever disciplined your bodyguard
Speaker 2: for his behavior with the paparazzi?
Speaker 3: Disciplined?
Speaker 1: What is he?
Speaker 2: My son? Have you ever spoken with Selena Gomez and
Speaker 2: expressed your feelings about paparazzi with her?
Speaker 3: Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about
Speaker 3: her again.
Speaker 1: Don't ask me about her again.
Speaker 2: Don't ask me about her again.
Speaker 3: All right, So I'm on instagramer management.
Speaker 2: One of his bodyguards had attacked a paparazzi and the
Speaker 2: way he behaved, in the way Justin reacted to this
Speaker 2: was what became so problematic. But when you think how
Speaker 2: much he's being harassed constantly, day in day out by paparazzi,
Speaker 2: there's probably a part of it where he felt like
Speaker 2: it was justified. But his like really shitty demeanor and
Speaker 2: behavior and this arrogance that he has is what feeds
Speaker 2: into people hating him even more. And that is where
Speaker 2: he's being asked by the lawyer you know, can you
Speaker 2: please watch this, watch this piece of footage. And instead
Speaker 2: of just watching the footage and being compliant and working
Speaker 2: with the law, he's just so angry and defiant and
Speaker 2: just won't even let the guy get a word in.
Speaker 1: I think he doesn't give a fuck anymore. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't care. He like he's untouchable. He smokes pot.
Speaker 1: This photos of his smoking pot. He's trying to be
Speaker 1: a bit of a badass. I think he's trying to
Speaker 1: just I think he just is trying to live his life.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't think he really did it
Speaker 1: for anyone or any reason. I think he's like, I
Speaker 1: just want to be a kid, like I missed my
Speaker 1: whole life. Let me be.
Speaker 2: He's been so sheltered from the world, but he's also
Speaker 2: had unlimited access to drugs and alcohol, and he was
Speaker 2: just absolutely spiraling as well.
Speaker 1: He egged his neighbor's house and he had to pay
Speaker 1: eighty found dollars for it.
Speaker 2: In conversation wit, how much damage could you possibly cause
Speaker 2: from egging someone's house and.
Speaker 1: Up to my house, I will give you twelve eggs.
Speaker 2: He probably only ruined, Like when you think about where
Speaker 2: he must actually live like he probably only like ruined
Speaker 2: their letterbox or something, and that's the equivalent of eighty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to that property.
Speaker 1: Well, but he then had to go complete anger management courses.
Speaker 1: Then he was arrested for drag racing and driving under
Speaker 1: the influence. Like he went this spiral wasn't just like
Speaker 1: I'm taking my shirt off and waving my lanky arms
Speaker 1: around and just smoking pot like he was egging people.
Speaker 1: He was anger management. He was being arrested. Remember his
Speaker 1: little mug shot.
Speaker 2: There's so much stuff. This is just such a dark
Speaker 2: period for him.
Speaker 1: And all that this did. Right, there were so many
Speaker 1: people that hated Justin Bieber for no reason that he
Speaker 1: was young and successful and making more money as a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old. Well then your whole family would make
Speaker 1: collectively in their entire life, So people hate success. But
Speaker 1: what happened now was he was just genuinely giving the
Speaker 1: public a reason to hate him. So everyone was like,
Speaker 1: finally we can hate him now. I hate him because
Speaker 1: he's an actual little shit. So Justin's ween everywhere spreading
Speaker 1: his urine. He lost his money writing everywhere. She's in good.
Speaker 1: He's arrested, he is in jail. Where Selena because I'm
Speaker 1: assuming she's like sipping tea in her house or something.
Speaker 2: Well, No, Selena is relatively obscure and quiet over twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen to fourteen when it comes to like big headlines,
Speaker 2: and I think it's because Justin Bieber.
Speaker 3: Took all of them.
Speaker 2: But she releases her banger album, which was called Stars
Speaker 2: Dance number one on the Billboard charts. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was essentially a breakup album. All of the hit songs
Speaker 2: that we already talk about, like Forget Forever, Love Will Remember,
Speaker 2: all of that was on this album, and then also
Speaker 2: the massive hit come and Get It.
Speaker 1: That was a banger.
Speaker 3: It was a banger.
Speaker 2: But I do think that so many people bought the album,
Speaker 2: so many people were invested in the music because it
Speaker 2: wasn't just about the music. It was about the breakup,
Speaker 2: So they were buying into the whole story, and that
Speaker 2: had such an impact on the fact that the album
Speaker 2: itself went to number one.
Speaker 1: I remember after this, I remember this is when this
Speaker 1: started this on again off again. Are they together? Aren't
Speaker 1: they together? What are they?
Speaker 3: Because they were.
Speaker 1: Sort of seen together a few times. I remember there
Speaker 1: was that moment that he was singing to her in
Speaker 1: the hotel room. Remember he was serenading her, and everyone
Speaker 1: was like, they're back on, but they'd say they weren't.
Speaker 3: So that was in around twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: But prior to that as well, there had still been
Speaker 2: quite a few moments where people thought that they because
Speaker 2: they were still in contact, they still had this like connection.
Speaker 3: Throughout these periods where.
Speaker 2: Like there would be tweets to each other or emojis
Speaker 2: on social media, there was like a lot of baiting
Speaker 2: that maybe they might be getting back together or maybe
Speaker 2: they're still in contact, and so it never kind of
Speaker 2: felt like it was finished, I guess. And then in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen is when it all resurfaced.
Speaker 1: Well that's in twenty fifteens when he started dating Hailey Baldwin.
Speaker 1: He's now wife, but that was the first time he
Speaker 1: started dating her. So that was when it was put
Speaker 1: to bed and everyone's like, Okay, they're not together because
Speaker 1: he's with Hailey, And now let's all the whole world
Speaker 1: universally hate Hailey Beber.
Speaker 2: Yes, hate Hailey Baldwin. Let's all hate Hailey Baldwin. And
Speaker 2: then the only person that we think we hated more
Speaker 2: than Hailey Baldwin was Sophia Richi. After that, he then
Speaker 2: dated Sofia Richie. Do you remember this? This was like
Speaker 2: very shortly afterwards. He had a string of girlfriends in
Speaker 2: between Selena, but that is when things turned really really
Speaker 2: bad between the two of them.
Speaker 1: Well, they had it out on Instagram, didn't they.
Speaker 2: So what happened was is he started dating Sofia Richie
Speaker 2: and I don't know why, but people absolutely freaking hated her.
Speaker 3: They hated that relationship.
Speaker 1: They blame these girls for the breakdown. Everyone wanted Selena
Speaker 1: and Justin to be this love story from fifteen on,
Speaker 1: and anyone that would come into Justin's life they hate
Speaker 1: it automatically for no reason.
Speaker 2: Basically, anytime he would post a photo of him and
Speaker 2: Sophia Richie together, his fans would report the photo for
Speaker 2: bullying and so then the photos were getting taken down
Speaker 2: and Justin was getting so pissed off by this, like
Speaker 2: just the abuse that he was coppying for being in
Speaker 2: a relationship with Sophia, that he was threatening that he
Speaker 2: was going to deactivate his entire Instagram and social media account.
Speaker 3: He was like, you've done this, this is your fault.
Speaker 1: Fair though, if you're going to have constant online trolling
Speaker 1: and bullying and hate.
Speaker 2: I would delete it too. Yeah, but then Selena comes out.
Speaker 2: This is a quote that she put on one of
Speaker 2: his Instagram photo. If you can't handle the hate, then
Speaker 2: stop posting pictures of your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Lol.
Speaker 2: It should be special between you two. Only don't be
Speaker 2: mad at your fans. They loved you and supported you
Speaker 2: before anyone else did. It's the loll for me, like
Speaker 2: so condescending. I cannot tell you how much I hate
Speaker 2: a loll at the end of a message.
Speaker 3: If the message is actually sarcastic, I love it. I
Speaker 3: know you do it all the time.
Speaker 2: But okay, but don't you think that also that like
Speaker 2: that message that she's written. It's such a dig considering
Speaker 2: how public their relationship was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's Justin's reply back. It's funny to see
Speaker 1: people that used me for attention and still try to
Speaker 1: point the finger this way. Sad all love Okay, and
Speaker 1: this is why childish.
Speaker 2: This is why I was saying that. I think that
Speaker 2: there was a bit of a pr machine going here
Speaker 2: where Justin was really into Selena. Selena kind of latched
Speaker 2: onto the fame a little bit that she became a
Speaker 2: megastar off the back of the relationship, whereas he was
Speaker 2: already absolutely on his way to being that anyway. Her
Speaker 2: reply to that message from him was funny how the
Speaker 2: ones that cheated multiple times are pointing the finger at
Speaker 2: the ones that were forgiving and supportive.
Speaker 3: No wonder fans are mad, sad, all love.
Speaker 1: I love that they're just like taking lines from the
Speaker 1: previous comment, and you've seen it back against each other.
Speaker 1: It's so childish, but I'm here for it, and the
Speaker 1: world would have been hooked on this. But then he
Speaker 1: deleted his Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, well, what do you do when you've
Speaker 2: been called a cheater publicly in front of everyone. You've
Speaker 2: just been totally added for being a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: This is pretty much the extent of the arguments that
Speaker 1: we saw as the public. We got these three comments
Speaker 1: back and forth. It's calling each other's cheaters, calling each
Speaker 1: other users. Then we got a delete of the Instagram.
Speaker 1: Justin's like fucking tapping out. It's really sad to see
Speaker 1: how toxic this relationship is. How it started so cute,
Speaker 1: so romantic, there's so much love. They grew up together,
Speaker 1: then they were best friends, and then they weren't lovers,
Speaker 1: and they were lovers, and now they're calling each other
Speaker 1: out and there's all this hate and so many accusations.
Speaker 1: It's sad to see it unravel. That's probably what put
Speaker 1: her in hospital two years later. Actually the stress Selena
Speaker 1: gets really really sick because she ends up needing a
Speaker 1: kidney transplant.
Speaker 2: I guess like her being sick and being in this
Speaker 2: time of need, it was almost like what re kind
Speaker 2: of kicked them back into gear to give it another chance.
Speaker 3: Moving into twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Cat Stephen says it best. The first cut
Speaker 1: is the deepest, and this is very evident of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess at this time, like twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: was at the same time where Justin Bieber's image was
Speaker 2: going through.
Speaker 3: A new overhaul.
Speaker 2: He's no longer like the ratty, sort of angsty twenty
Speaker 2: year old or nineteen.
Speaker 1: Year old he always have calmed down.
Speaker 3: There is all these photos of him going to church.
Speaker 2: There is all these photos and they're just of them
Speaker 2: riding bikes together. Everything just feels a lot more wholesome
Speaker 2: than what it did two years prior. He was also
Speaker 2: photographed kissing her at the hockey game in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: They were back on and everything kind of seemed great,
Speaker 2: like was heading in the right direction. Then dead January
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, it's over again.
Speaker 1: They break up and please, for the love of God,
Speaker 1: if you really are religious, stop trying to make this
Speaker 1: relationship work.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, maybe that's why they kept trying to
Speaker 2: make it worth her and they thought that they had
Speaker 2: to stay with each other forever.
Speaker 1: But this was their final breakup, which I'm very happy
Speaker 1: to report. I'm sure you're all want.
Speaker 3: You to hear it.
Speaker 1: There's so much more to it, and he's married now
Speaker 1: and happy, and I think, as like all the believers
Speaker 1: wanted their relationship to work, but I think everyone else
Speaker 1: in the world was like, call it quits, like it's
Speaker 1: not working. You've tried a hundred times. But this is
Speaker 1: when we see him come full circle. He's out of
Speaker 1: his angsty stage, he's out of his angry stage. He
Speaker 1: goes back to church, he gets quite a lot of
Speaker 1: religious tattoos, he starts to dress better again, he starts
Speaker 1: to behave better, be a bit more polite, and I
Speaker 1: guess it's because he reconnected in a way with God.
Speaker 1: But it's also where he reconnected with Haley Baldwin.
Speaker 2: He starts dating Haley Walwhen in June, so breaks up
Speaker 2: with Selena in January. Hailey Women starts dating in June,
Speaker 2: gets engaged in July, and gets married in August.
Speaker 3: It's what a kick in the teeth.
Speaker 1: Well, you're on and off for ten years and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you meet someone and get engaged
Speaker 1: in six.
Speaker 2: Months and then starts posting things like it was always you,
Speaker 2: you were always the person I was supposed to be with,
Speaker 2: Like what not even me when I'm down Justin and
Speaker 2: then Selena has been very vocal in media and talking
Speaker 2: about how you know it was his cheating and his
Speaker 2: emotional abuse in the relationships that created such issues, ongoing
Speaker 2: issues for them.
Speaker 1: So Justin found he's happy ever after, very very quickly,
Speaker 1: like after six months he got engaged and he's still married,
Speaker 1: very happy publicly with Hailey. They have a very beautiful relationship.
Speaker 1: But Selena, the poor thing, she hasn't been quite as lucky,
Speaker 1: but she's had some very public relationships. She dated The
Speaker 1: Weekend and she went to people like Niall Horn, Chris Evans,
Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom, Nick Jonas, like every I guess every young, hot,
Speaker 1: very very successful man of the moment.
Speaker 3: I mean she has a type.
Speaker 1: She definitely has a type. But she, as far as
Speaker 1: I know, she's very private now. As far as I know,
Speaker 1: I don't think she's dating anyone currently. She's back acting,
Speaker 1: she's living her life. She's I think, the most following
Speaker 1: person on Instagram. She's doing something right. But I don't
Speaker 1: think she's found a happy ever after.
Speaker 2: I do think it's really sad, Like you know, but
Speaker 2: Justin Bieber got to move on. He's got this great
Speaker 2: relationship and kind of Selena just.
Speaker 3: Got kicked to the curve.
Speaker 2: She did an interview with NPR where she said that
Speaker 2: she felt like she was emotionally abused by Justin Bieber,
Speaker 2: and she said, as much as I definitely don't want
Speaker 2: to spend the rest of my life talking about this,
Speaker 2: I'm really proud that I can say I feel the
Speaker 2: strongest I've ever felt, and I've found a way to
Speaker 2: just walk through it with as much grace as possible.
Speaker 2: And then Justin Bieber went on to say in a
Speaker 2: subsequent interview, I started doing heavy drugs at nineteen, and
Speaker 2: I abused all of my relationships. I became resentful, disrespectful
Speaker 2: to women and angry. And he said that he's learned
Speaker 2: and it's taken him many years to work through these
Speaker 2: relationship habits, and I just think it's so sad.
Speaker 1: I guess it would be a pretty shitty feeling. You've
Speaker 1: been the punching bag for ten years and you're you've
Speaker 1: been there to lean on for someone going through I mean,
Speaker 1: he went through more in his teenage in like five
Speaker 1: to seven years, and most people go through in a
Speaker 1: lifetime or will have to or stresses that we won't
Speaker 1: even be able to imagine or fathom because we're never
Speaker 1: going to be in that position. But Selena had to.
Speaker 1: She had to be on the other end of that.
Speaker 1: She had to be on the receiving end for ten years.
Speaker 1: And I feel like she created the well, she helped,
Speaker 1: She helped to create this perfect ideal man. And then
Speaker 1: she hands him off and then Haley comes in just
Speaker 1: three months dating and she gets Oh, she reaps all
Speaker 1: the benefits of ten years of Selena's work. I would
Speaker 1: be pre fucking rope for I.
Speaker 2: She's the ultimate husband maker. Selena Gomez is husband maker
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 3: Century, the ultimate one.
Speaker 1: Before the one.
Speaker 2: She's the one before the one, and yeah, it's I
Speaker 2: think that that's the saddest part of this whole story.
Speaker 1: I guess the good thing now is they do genuinely
Speaker 1: seem to be in a better place. And it was
Speaker 1: ten years of on again, off again tumultuous relationship, so
Speaker 1: it's really nice to see that now they've moved on
Speaker 1: and they were relatively happier.
Speaker 2: Let's just hope that Selena's next relationship isn't set up
Speaker 2: by her mummager or also by the partner's manager.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's always recipe for disaster.
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