Speaker 1: The Flex and Rooms Daily Podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, it's Flexing Frooms.
Speaker 3: Hang off it. You look at your face? Okay, is
Speaker 3: not talking to me? I am having talking to Brook producer.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened Brook.
Speaker 2: Whenever I say hello, oh, goodbye, Brook gives me this
Speaker 2: little snider look as if I'm being an absolute clown.
Speaker 3: I'm literally just looking.
Speaker 2: We got one of these things going on in school,
Speaker 2: where like someone looks at you and you can't stop laughing.
Speaker 3: But it's the opposite.
Speaker 2: I can't stop having emotional outbursts.
Speaker 3: And you've said it so many times, I think you
Speaker 3: believe it. What were we talking about in one of
Speaker 3: the other episodes that the illusory effect, or we hear something,
Speaker 3: the more likely we are to believe it's true. You
Speaker 3: keep telling us, we keep looking at you, so you
Speaker 3: believe it.
Speaker 2: I'm paranoid. Anyway, today's podcast, we are going to be
Speaker 2: talking about how much income.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the happiness income threshold. Some studies came out in
Speaker 3: twenty ten in the US and then was brought back
Speaker 3: to life revived in twenty twenty one. I have no doubt,
Speaker 3: due to COVID and other situations that we're impacting people's income.
Speaker 3: But back in the day, they deduced that there was
Speaker 3: a certain number of certain number of cash flows per
Speaker 3: year that would help you maintain a very basic level
Speaker 3: of happiness and freem and ire debating whether or not
Speaker 3: that is true or not true for us, and conceptually,
Speaker 3: if there was a number, what would it be? Let's
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Speaker 3: Do we love it? Now? Before you were just humoring me,
Speaker 3: but now you love it. That's the conversion process.
Speaker 2: It's a conversion And I also have a lot of
Speaker 2: respect for my co hosts. So I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: get involved in things that you liked, to have more
Speaker 2: in common with you.
Speaker 3: I don't feel the same pressure and.
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Speaker 3: Do you frequent and read it these days? There's been
Speaker 3: a specific pipeline, And I don't know when I started.
Speaker 2: It is it started in twenty fifteen. For me, I
Speaker 2: was going for some relationship advice, then got myself on
Speaker 2: the front page, like the homepage, and started getting interested
Speaker 2: in other little links and crypto. So I came across
Speaker 2: this post which was a bottle of vegemite, glass jar
Speaker 2: of vegemite, and on the bottom.
Speaker 3: Is it a glass jar? Bottle? Oh, you make it
Speaker 3: too easy.
Speaker 2: It was a glass jar and the bottom of the
Speaker 2: glass shart it had its expiry date. Do you want
Speaker 2: to know when that expiry date was?
Speaker 3: Can I guess? Yeah? Ninety four?
Speaker 2: Oh so close ninety five?
Speaker 3: Ooh, it's this bottle.
Speaker 2: This glass shard came to be in the uninety nine five,
Speaker 2: which was when I was born. You were one years old.
Speaker 2: And what we found out in looking at the picture.
Speaker 2: Some of the comments pointed out that vegemite never expires,
Speaker 2: and it never expires because it's full of salt.
Speaker 3: Never well, had the picture tell you that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think someone did some googling and
Speaker 2: supposedly vegemite never expire.
Speaker 3: A bunch of kitchen start eating sixty year old VEGEMI
Speaker 3: you like, I don't know, Reddit said.
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out vegemite is not the only food
Speaker 2: stuff that supposedly never goes off. Here are some others
Speaker 2: and this is for you to start going and buying
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Speaker 3: We're in it now, but I won't get into it.
Speaker 2: Well, tell me if you got these in new cupboard honey.
Speaker 2: Honey may crystallize over time, but it won't actually expire
Speaker 2: or become unusual because of course it's made from the
Speaker 2: natural elements.
Speaker 3: Do natural elements not expire?
Speaker 2: Some like my spirits? Well?
Speaker 3: Of course, all right.
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Speaker 3: It's quite good.
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Speaker 2: for sure, a mug.
Speaker 3: Cake, scones, damper, pretty little pancake. I might need eggs, No, you.
Speaker 2: Don't need eggs anyway. That's some really useful information that
Speaker 2: I'll be taking a heat of in the next ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen years.
Speaker 3: Now, now is the.
Speaker 2: Time stop it. I don't know how you think there's
Speaker 2: an apocalypse so you can still find a way to
Speaker 2: come to work.
Speaker 3: Literally, we're gonna talk about that, and I'm in the trenches.
Speaker 3: What did I say? Personal? Hell, I know the apocalypse
Speaker 3: is happening. Everyone's like, Eh, let's make jokes.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on cada.
Speaker 2: What's that sound of FLEXI? It's the sound of starting
Speaker 2: a new segment, cracking it open. And this was gonna
Speaker 2: be a good one.
Speaker 3: Take it away, FORMI have you ever thought well and
Speaker 3: hard and diligently about how much money you actually need
Speaker 3: to mean happiness?
Speaker 2: Ah, it's a very loaded question. My first initial thought
Speaker 2: is I need to own a house that I own
Speaker 2: out right. Okay, therefore it's collateral.
Speaker 3: Give me a number, babe, give me a number. Maybe
Speaker 3: not for you the average person. How much money think
Speaker 3: the average person needs per year? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Too many variables for me, for someone my age, in
Speaker 2: my life circumstance. The minimum that I need to be happy.
Speaker 2: My rent right now.
Speaker 3: Is oh, please please.
Speaker 2: I can't extrapolate money's like as they put a number
Speaker 2: to it. No, because I can't extrapolate, extrapolate like money's
Speaker 2: inherent value for verse, like my own ego. If I
Speaker 2: find it very difficult to separate the two. So therefore
Speaker 2: I don't have a number. If I'm picking a number
Speaker 2: that i'd love, a million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: Okay, not the question I asked, Thank you. You know,
Speaker 3: there's this thing called a happiness income threshold, and it is,
Speaker 3: as I described, the amount of money one needs to
Speaker 3: make to maintain a base level of happiness. Now, for
Speaker 3: I only have us darted for this, so rip to
Speaker 3: anyone who's not in the US, all of us listening.
Speaker 3: But according to a study done in twenty ten, the
Speaker 3: average US citizen would need seventy five thousand dollars per
Speaker 3: year to be happy. And at the time, fifty k
Speaker 3: was the median income. So it's about, like, you know,
Speaker 3: a quarter more than you would anticipate. Now you said
Speaker 3: a million dollars is what you'd need to be happy.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're quite happy now with what you're making,
Speaker 3: so at about twenty five percent on top of that'd
Speaker 3: be quite good. And that's just per year. Now, the
Speaker 3: important thing there is to know is there is an
Speaker 3: income threshold for everyone. There is a point in time
Speaker 3: that if your income drops below that threshold, no matter
Speaker 3: what it is, you will be unhappy about it. So
Speaker 3: the solution is figure out what it is diligently, not
Speaker 3: so you can budget, but just so you know. So
Speaker 3: if you know your income threshold is fifty k, like,
Speaker 3: this is important for you to remember. So going below
Speaker 3: it is not just like that wouldn't be chill. It's
Speaker 3: going to affect your your ability to conjure up happiness
Speaker 3: for yourself.
Speaker 2: Find it very hard to reconcile with because a lot
Speaker 2: of people can't dictate how much they get paid. I
Speaker 2: don't have enough time to take a second job, Whereas
Speaker 2: I think it's more hopeful to think this is the
Speaker 2: number like.
Speaker 3: For you just that same like people have said this
Speaker 3: who the people who did the study, They've said this
Speaker 3: is the number I would need to maintain happiness because
Speaker 3: they've realized that their happiness is tied to well, if
Speaker 3: I can pay my rent and if I can buy
Speaker 3: nice things, and if I can do this at a minimum,
Speaker 3: this number would be good for me. And maybe why
Speaker 3: you're struggling with it is because it's conceptual for you,
Speaker 3: where a lot of people money is practical.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, no, I'm actually thinking about the practicalities of it.
Speaker 3: Says who's had a million dollars to be happy.
Speaker 2: I'm just like doing manifestation. No. I think, of course,
Speaker 2: if you don't have a certain amount of money, then
Speaker 2: you're not going to be happy because all these other
Speaker 2: pressures start happening. And also because to budget and take
Speaker 2: things that promote happiness, like going on holidays, you need
Speaker 2: a certain money money to do that, and I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people can't. So I understand the practicalities
Speaker 2: of it. But me personally, as I said, I can't
Speaker 2: extrapolate money's actual value from my ego, and I have
Speaker 2: the opportunities to make more money at times.
Speaker 3: Okay, elon.
Speaker 2: Crypto gottair.
Speaker 3: First it was Bezos and now it's fumy musk like
Speaker 3: to get around. I'm ragging on you, Okay, okay, wrap
Speaker 3: it up hard sometimes. So the question is how much
Speaker 3: money does one need to be happy? It's philosophical because
Speaker 3: the question, as Fremis explained, cannot be answered simply yes
Speaker 3: at all. But based on studies they can deduce that well,
Speaker 3: in twenty ten, they could for Americans that seventy five
Speaker 3: K would be enough to sustain happiness because it would
Speaker 3: take into consideration all of a person's basic fundamental needs.
Speaker 3: And we're not talking like food, water, whatever, but you know,
Speaker 3: little luxuries and things that would keep you happy. Now,
Speaker 3: for me, the contradiction is, if we don't know the
Speaker 3: amount of money it's going to take to feel a
Speaker 3: sense of happiness, then is it counterintuitive to tie in
Speaker 3: success to money in any capacity? Perhaps? Right, because if
Speaker 3: I could say, you know, a million flatter years is
Speaker 3: what it's going to take, then working towards a million
Speaker 3: flat a year is what it's going to take, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if one hundred k year is what it's going to take.
Speaker 3: And this is not this is not to say that
Speaker 3: there are things outside of money that don't make you happy,
Speaker 3: but we're presuming that income is tied to a lot
Speaker 3: of what's generating our happiness right now. And so if
Speaker 3: we know the number, that we can work towards it,
Speaker 3: and it gives us also the buffer to you know,
Speaker 3: the freedom that the money will give us, gives us
Speaker 3: like the emotional energy to work on life's greater issues
Speaker 3: that money cannot fix. But if there is no number,
Speaker 3: and it's this infinite amount of money and this concept
Speaker 3: that's tied to so much more than just the practicalities
Speaker 3: of life, like ego and pride and whatever, then how
Speaker 3: do you manage that for yourself? And like you in particular,
Speaker 3: m I.
Speaker 2: Think it's always important to maintain financial literacy, and I
Speaker 2: think sometimes, especially when things aren't going your way, it's
Speaker 2: easy to just turn a blind eye and also like
Speaker 2: to be financially literally you need reasons why, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like for certain people, it's easy to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I need more money, so I'm gonna work harder, But
Speaker 2: for the vast majority of people that's not possible. So
Speaker 2: therefore it's a little bit depressing to like if you
Speaker 2: were to sit down and actually budget and figure out
Speaker 2: what you need. For a lot of people that don't
Speaker 2: have the mobility to then get that money, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: nice to be going in blind, going way blind, like
Speaker 2: just vibing out, like just getting your paycheck and like
Speaker 2: adapting your sense of happiness rather than getting more money
Speaker 2: because I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I see, I see what you mean.
Speaker 2: I think a more accurate discussion and metric would be
Speaker 2: like how little money do you need to be happy? Like, oh,
Speaker 2: what are the total essentials? Because so often, like for me,
Speaker 2: I'd be like I need to make this amount of money.
Speaker 2: But let's say some tragedy befalls me.
Speaker 3: Don't do it.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen, Okay, But if it were, I
Speaker 2: think about that, because I need to think about like
Speaker 2: if I didn't, if I didn't have enough money to
Speaker 2: do X y Z.
Speaker 3: The cloud did not sustain itself. If if you do
Speaker 3: not mutate or replicate.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, it might feel a bit shit. But so
Speaker 2: long as you keep I think, so long as you
Speaker 2: keep an idea of like what is actually integrity, happiness,
Speaker 2: and then also what gives you benefits that you now
Speaker 2: feel as if you deserve that. If I had to
Speaker 2: look at it clearly for myself, I'd be like, so
Speaker 2: long as I can find a way to go home
Speaker 2: to Melbourne, so long as I can either live somewhere
Speaker 2: close to my friends or have a car to get
Speaker 2: me there. So long as I had money to like
Speaker 2: buy a sandwich from the shop which is this place,
Speaker 2: the shop wine bars, this place that my friends live
Speaker 2: near that I love to go do decide. I think
Speaker 2: I think it's really important for anyone. Even if you
Speaker 2: decide that you need a million dollars as a paycheck
Speaker 2: each here to make you happy. It's a fun exercise
Speaker 2: to figure out what is the absolute bare minimum moneyed
Speaker 2: because therefore, you know you might not get down to
Speaker 2: the bare minimum, but then you can fully appreciate the
Speaker 2: things that you use with your disposable income.
Speaker 3: Parent And we also know happiness is fleeting anyway, so
Speaker 3: inspire for.
Speaker 2: That we need to interrogate what happiness is before that
Speaker 2: question has any like real I guess there needs to
Speaker 2: be more parameters around that question.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that most people recognize happiness to be
Speaker 3: a fleeting like gift, right, like a moment brought me
Speaker 3: happiness and it's going to go away, and another moment
Speaker 3: might bring me happiness. And they talk about key areas
Speaker 3: of life that do that, like marriage, kids, moving into
Speaker 3: a new place, going on a vacation with your friends.
Speaker 3: These are all things that can trigger happiness for you,
Speaker 3: and the average person isn't maintaining or sustaining and underlying
Speaker 3: like I'm happy every day all the time. So I
Speaker 3: think what the question is kind of asking is what
Speaker 3: is it going to cost for you to maintain those
Speaker 3: areas of your life, like for you to have enough
Speaker 3: income to even facilitate dating, you know, because that's an
Speaker 3: expensive practice if you're doing it properly.
Speaker 2: That's a real killer. Hope, I don't talk about it's.
Speaker 3: A real killer. Similarly, you know, if you know that
Speaker 3: you need a little girls, trippy little Europe, you know,
Speaker 3: once once every couple of years, and what's that going
Speaker 3: to cost? And these days a pretty penny m.
Speaker 2: Bit of a euro troop September me start saving doll
Speaker 2: I'm going into that blind. I don't have a budget.
Speaker 3: Do you have savings? Yeah? Okay, good, but like but like,
Speaker 3: is this like your life savings or like the holiday savings?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't have any delineage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course now all goes into one.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm sure in the back of my mind,
Speaker 2: like I want to buy a jacket, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna wait till I go to Europe, go
Speaker 2: to the Mater Stolls in London.
Speaker 3: Yeah, part of a jacket. You're a sensible slender anywhere, right,
Speaker 3: You're not?
Speaker 2: I am. Currently I'm spending a lot of money on food.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you love food?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, just after going many years of like
Speaker 2: not buying it and fully home prepping. My meals were
Speaker 2: very scant.
Speaker 3: Oh you're eating out? Oh yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just like I'm in this moment in my life
Speaker 2: room prioritizing personal happiness because I'm single and I feel
Speaker 2: I'm unlearning a lot of like habits that actually brought
Speaker 2: me a lot of anxiety. I need to figure it out,
Speaker 2: but essentially with that feeling of like I can't do
Speaker 2: this because tomorrow I've got to wake up at this time,
Speaker 2: like recalibrating how important that is to you, and like
Speaker 2: going into that blind and feeling all of this kind
Speaker 2: of anxiety that if I take away the anxiety, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be like X y Z, all of these
Speaker 2: negative emotions. When in actuality, if you get over the
Speaker 2: hump of feeling like, oh, I'm anxious to not be anxious,
Speaker 2: then you become less anxious. This is a pipeline that
Speaker 2: I'm yet to put into words, but I feel it
Speaker 2: in my brain and I think it has to to
Speaker 2: do with this.
Speaker 3: I like that. We'll talk about it more when you
Speaker 3: can figure it out.
Speaker 4: Sounds good, so sweetie, to anyone listening to this podcast,
Speaker 4: my ass has everyone's pissed me off about my stuttering.
Speaker 2: It's not very nice, guys. Okay, cut the tape. Cut
Speaker 2: the tape.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's every second week we're hearing about
Speaker 3: how Nordic countries are a utopia of their own, the
Speaker 3: best place to be for various reasons of which I
Speaker 3: cannot get into because I've forgotten. But you know it's
Speaker 3: been said before, no need to fact check now. I
Speaker 3: found out recently, though, that in Denmark and other Nordic
Speaker 3: countries it is, and I quote common to let babies
Speaker 3: nap alone outdoors even when temperatures reach negative sixteen degrees Fahrenheim.
Speaker 3: Now you might be asking, what's negative sixteen degrees Fahrenheim.
Speaker 2: Sixteen more percent of ice?
Speaker 3: I'll answer that and celsius or.
Speaker 2: Maybe one hundred and sixty percent more ice.
Speaker 3: Huh. Like it's negative twenty six degrees celsius. It's cold,
Speaker 3: it's very cold. And I was googling, like why that
Speaker 3: would happen? What for what reason would a baby need
Speaker 3: to sleep outside when it's that cold or ever? But
Speaker 3: apparently fresh air can induce a deep slumber and also
Speaker 3: decrease the exposure to germs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get into a deep smer buck, that's how
Speaker 2: it starts. You stop, you start breathing less when you
Speaker 2: are phrasing.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like people who die on Mount Everest.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, is that why when people are dying
Speaker 3: they start yawning heaps? Because I know that yawning happens,
Speaker 3: not just like when you're about to carck it, but
Speaker 3: if you're in an unsavory environment and you notice someone yawning,
Speaker 3: snap them awake, because yawning is what happens when you're
Speaker 3: not breathing regularly, not getting enough air. You're lunky do big. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So if you ask sleepy, breathe deeper.
Speaker 2: Not if you've got the death right, although you across
Speaker 2: what that is.
Speaker 3: I don't even get into it now.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're listening to flex and Frooms on keda Flexi.
Speaker 2: On Saturday, I went to a concert, a live show.
Speaker 2: It was at a venue called Golden Age. It is
Speaker 2: a cinema and a bar in Surrey Hills, which is
Speaker 2: Sydney's like CBD adjacent suburb. Yeah, very cool. And I
Speaker 2: went with my frand and someone that I know is
Speaker 2: playing their show. It's a very intimate little venue, like
Speaker 2: there's probably fits fifty people tops. It's very like fifty
Speaker 2: style sexy.
Speaker 3: Moody, velvet mood light, warm tone, brownie ready, very decadent,
Speaker 3: indulgent and sexy. It's gorgeous, like a great first date place.
Speaker 3: So many a first date.
Speaker 2: There, you have really into that, but we don't. So
Speaker 2: at this concert. The person's music is electronic experimental. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so as that translates people who are maybe not have
Speaker 2: very like specific genres that they like, like rock or
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 3: For the space, you'd expect it to be like jazzy, chill,
Speaker 3: like shoe gaze, maybe some slow alternative R and B,
Speaker 3: but definitely not a venue that you'd expect electronic music
Speaker 3: to be playing out.
Speaker 2: No, okay, not at all. So I was looking at
Speaker 2: the stage and in front of the stage was a
Speaker 2: booth with the people in the booth their back was
Speaker 2: turned to the stage, and they're talking. It's for women
Speaker 2: i'd say in their mid forties or fifties, and they
Speaker 2: just gasbagging, having a good time. They clearly didn't know
Speaker 2: that there was going to be a gig on. The
Speaker 2: person who is the performer starts performing. So the performer, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So the performer starts and we can see this as
Speaker 2: the audience. But apparently the woman. The women in these
Speaker 2: booth would look up at him and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: like give him full greases.
Speaker 3: Like he was disrupting their time, as if he wasn't
Speaker 3: the person everyone else in the venues there.
Speaker 2: To see precisely. And then like two songs in, he
Speaker 2: looks down at them and he says, what was the
Speaker 2: look he gave me earlier? Like, why are we looking
Speaker 2: at me like you hate me?
Speaker 3: Not breaking the fourth wall?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and they're kind of like what they're kind
Speaker 2: of laughing. Two more songs in and he goes, you
Speaker 2: guys look like you're enjoying it now again.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, So at this point, is it a bit
Speaker 3: or like a or they've made a face that's like
Speaker 3: perhaps irritated him, and he's gone to address it again.
Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to understand. Their performers are
Speaker 2: very funny guy. He's also kind of like a comedian,
Speaker 2: So it felt like a bit that maybe he wasn't
Speaker 2: landing with them and was coming across as aggressive, but
Speaker 2: I know that his tone is like sarcastic. He asked them, no, seriously, seriously,
Speaker 2: what what pissed you off so much? And then they
Speaker 2: get up and leave the venue, but before they leave
Speaker 2: the venue, there's a curtain that is pulled back for
Speaker 2: the stage. They pull the curtain.
Speaker 3: So as to like closely curtain on him, Yeah, closer,
Speaker 3: like the show's over, the parties leaving. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And it got me thinking, like, should have he not
Speaker 2: said anything? Like?
Speaker 3: Wait, so what are you vibing from this scenario? Like
Speaker 3: your instinct is saying who's in the wrong, just from
Speaker 3: the vibe, not without any of the thinking and the contextualizing.
Speaker 2: I think the venue could have played a bigger part.
Speaker 3: Ah, Okay, you think he was in the wrong. You
Speaker 3: don't want to say because he's no friend. No, not
Speaker 3: at all, not.
Speaker 2: At all, not at all. But I think a way
Speaker 2: to mitigate any of the bad feelings between the two
Speaker 2: of them would have been a better understanding of what
Speaker 2: than I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not talking about what could have been
Speaker 3: done conceptually, Like in the space when you're seeing the
Speaker 3: performer having a bit of a moment with the guests,
Speaker 3: the guest having met with a performer, who do you
Speaker 3: think should have or could have managed that better?
Speaker 2: Technically? I side with the performer, and I think them
Speaker 2: crossing the line and pulling the curtain was really kind
Speaker 2: of like a moment of I think they would regret
Speaker 2: it the next day. However, I do think as well
Speaker 2: that people obviously didn't understand who the person wasn't performing.
Speaker 2: They don't get their sense of humor. And to be
Speaker 2: asked twice like I thought you hated it is kind
Speaker 2: of the position that they were sitting on. They were
Speaker 2: essentially on the stage, Like they're a step down from
Speaker 2: the stage, yeah, looking out to the audience and they're
Speaker 2: seeing everyone kind of like missing and laughing. So you
Speaker 2: probably would feel very targeted. You wouldn't want to stay
Speaker 2: there in case he's gonna like rip into a third time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the way you've told the story, it makes
Speaker 3: it something the performance a bit of like didn't really
Speaker 3: handle that well because realistically, right, like I've been a
Speaker 3: DJ for how many years? If someone gives me a
Speaker 3: funny look on the stage, the last thing I would
Speaker 3: do is get a mic and call them out, because
Speaker 3: like I'm the entertainment, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: it is my job to be of service. If someone
Speaker 3: doesn't like it, that's all good. They'll figure it out themselves.
Speaker 3: So in that instance, like obviously I'm not a singer,
Speaker 3: so it's a lot more personal when someone's like looking
Speaker 3: at you and you're singing at them. But I would
Speaker 3: have thought that as a performer that kind of stuff happened.
Speaker 3: If it was a comedy show, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're heckling, Like it's a two way thing, but I
Speaker 3: think that was strange. And then to bring it up
Speaker 3: a second and third time, I would feel because, like,
Speaker 3: can someone not make a face if they really don't
Speaker 3: like it? Like, is that the kind of hostile? Is
Speaker 3: it that hostile that someone can't make a face without
Speaker 3: fear of the actual performer stopping the performance to be like, Hey,
Speaker 3: what was that you looked at me? Funny? Like that
Speaker 3: is so cook to me. I'd be like, okay, damn,
Speaker 3: let me go the bathroom so I can emote and they
Speaker 3: can come back.
Speaker 1: Flex.
Speaker 3: And I'm using this amazing platform we've been given to
Speaker 3: take a stand against something that's quite close to my heart.
Speaker 3: It's been something that I've carried for the bulk of
Speaker 3: my life. I feel like I've been on the front
Speaker 3: line in the trenches, battling on my own. But now
Speaker 3: it's time to share the burden. I am a night out.
Speaker 3: I want to be up busy making things happen at
Speaker 3: four am. I want to go to sleep at six
Speaker 3: and not get up till one, and that should be
Speaker 3: my right. But unfortunately the Internet that we have been
Speaker 3: raised on is chock full of anti night our propaganda,
Speaker 3: and it's by design because the corporations want you working.
Speaker 3: They want you up at eight so you can be
Speaker 3: at work at nine to six so they can make
Speaker 3: money off your labor.
Speaker 2: I never thought about it like that, par That's what
Speaker 2: I'm here for. And what has you thinking about this?
Speaker 2: Because you seem to have been comfortable with doing this
Speaker 2: for as long as I've known you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still comfortable with it now, but I think
Speaker 3: I want to make others more comfortable so I can
Speaker 3: change the world and not have to answer emails from
Speaker 3: nine to five pm. It's a personal gripe. But we
Speaker 3: talked about it last week briefly, and somebody sent me
Speaker 3: in a message that I think is fascinating. They're a
Speaker 3: student who has delayed sleep phase disorder, which basically means
Speaker 3: that your sleep is delayed by two hours or more
Speaker 3: beyond what is considered to be an acceptable or conventional
Speaker 3: sleep time. So I guess anything after midnight I guess
Speaker 3: would be considered delayed sleephase disorder. But I digress. They
Speaker 3: went to a sleep therapist who suggested a really absurd
Speaker 3: treatment for this because this person wants to try and
Speaker 3: figure out what they don't want to be a night
Speaker 3: out they want to leave, and I think that's okay.
Speaker 3: Don't want to leave the cult. They want to leave
Speaker 3: the cult night out. I get that. You know it's
Speaker 3: not for everyone. It's a lifestyle, baby says, I don't
Speaker 3: know anyway. So the treatment is called chronotherapy, and it's
Speaker 3: supposed to reset your circadian rhythm. In one week. You
Speaker 3: choose what time you want to go to bed, and
Speaker 3: for this person, it's midnight. So you delay your bedtime
Speaker 3: each night and don't set an alarm and just sleep
Speaker 3: until you wake up. That is rogue. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I could do that. For example, on the night one,
Speaker 3: bedtime is three am, night two, six am night, three
Speaker 3: nine am, night four midday night five three pm night six,
Speaker 3: six pm, night seven nine pm, and finally on night eight,
Speaker 3: bedtime is twelve am. And then you've allegedly reset your
Speaker 3: circadian rhythm to align with your stupid UNI or work now.
Speaker 3: Will I try this? No, because I'm quite happy with
Speaker 3: what I've got. But if this is the only solution
Speaker 3: and it actually works, it's not that bad of a process.
Speaker 3: It only means that you can't live your life for
Speaker 3: a full week. M Imagine taking and your leave to
Speaker 3: reset your sleep schedule. What kind of lifestyle is that?
Speaker 2: So it's like rebooting your internal computer something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical of what the changing each day the sleep time.
Speaker 2: It seems so counterintuitive to any kind of health advice.
Speaker 3: I think because you get so exhausted, But I think
Speaker 3: it's because you exhaust yourself that by the time you
Speaker 3: get to day eight, sleeping at the time that you've
Speaker 3: prescribed for yourself feels like a relief because I think, what,
Speaker 3: or from my experience, what is delaying my sleep? Is
Speaker 3: this idea that I feel really tired at, like I
Speaker 3: don't know, nine, ten eleven, And then I pushed through
Speaker 3: because I want to stay up and read, and I
Speaker 3: want to stay up and make things, and I want
Speaker 3: to watch TikTok, And then I missed that schedule of tiredness,
Speaker 3: and then by the time it's five, I'm not that tired,
Speaker 3: and so there's no motivation to sleep anymore. But if
Speaker 3: I was truly exhausted at eight pm, I will sleep
Speaker 3: at apm. I've done that before, but I'm just not
Speaker 3: Would you ever go to a sleep doctor out of
Speaker 3: curiosity now unless I needed it? But I don't need
Speaker 3: it because nothing's wrong with me and nothing's wrong with you.
Speaker 3: Night owl.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely becoming a night hours I get older. What
Speaker 2: time you go to bed In the past few nights,
Speaker 2: I did like one or two am.
Speaker 3: That's big dog behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still still going to sleep twelve hours. I'll
Speaker 2: see you at one pm.
Speaker 3: You have to it must Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that you're changing the conversation. I also want
Speaker 2: to make it clear to everybody that if you use Gmail,
Speaker 2: you can schedule sense. So I'm working till one thirty am.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm sending the email at eight am, so like
Speaker 2: a night our even more.
Speaker 3: I'm sending it at once. I know what it is.
Speaker 3: If you don't catch me at eleven am, you know
Speaker 3: what it was. I'm out.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on da Flex.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna story for you. This comes courtesy of the
Speaker 2: New York Times. As you know, I've got beef of
Speaker 2: the New York Times because I made it a very
Speaker 2: difficult for me to cancel my subscription.
Speaker 3: And you still have been canceled. Nah.
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the three articles.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you have canceled.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 2: The minute someone makes it harder for me to do something,
Speaker 2: I'm going in even harder because i know what you're
Speaker 2: trying to do to me, and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: take it exactly. This is a story from the New
Speaker 2: York Times, and essentially it says scientist essentially, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read off the page, Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't do that. Scientists have found that they can revive
Speaker 2: cells in dead pigs. It's a reversible form of death.
Speaker 2: Researchers who previously revived some brain cells in dead pigs
Speaker 2: succeeded in repeating the process in more organs. So the
Speaker 2: pigs had been lying dead in a lab for an hour.
Speaker 2: No blood was circulating in their bodies, their hearts were
Speaker 2: still and their brain waves flat. Then a group of
Speaker 2: Yale scientists pumped a custom made solution into the pigs
Speaker 2: bodies with a device similar to a heart lung machine.
Speaker 2: What happened next adds questions for me.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to read it. Astra hadn't looked at once.
Speaker 2: That's ruggling. No, what happened next makes scientists reconsider the
Speaker 2: wall between life and death. So what this essentially means
Speaker 2: for humans is that perhaps we could get transplants of
Speaker 2: organs from pigs.
Speaker 3: Oh what, That's not what I thought was gonna happen
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: What do you think was gonna happen?
Speaker 3: That if you could, if you could activate previously dead
Speaker 3: cells in different parts of your body, then you could
Speaker 3: do the same for a human. And really we only
Speaker 3: need our brain in our heart. So if the brain
Speaker 3: was gonna then you just like zap it and then
Speaker 3: it come back to life like the piglies.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I see.
Speaker 3: I don't want a pig's heart in my heart. What's
Speaker 3: wrong with mine?
Speaker 2: I was thinking that as well, Like if I needed
Speaker 2: a organ transplant, I had to get it from a pig.
Speaker 2: I'm considering whether it's worth sticking around. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: I know exactly what you mean. It's that appealing, But
Speaker 3: you know next minutes what the article said at all?
Speaker 3: You just haven't read it the whole way through no no, no,
Speaker 3: So I guess into species transplants is what through me
Speaker 3: saying the article is seeing.
Speaker 2: I think it's more they're going to use the testing
Speaker 2: it on pigs, and if they can figure out a
Speaker 2: solution and a technology that can bring say a heart
Speaker 2: back to life, they might be using it on a human.
Speaker 2: But essentially, if I die and ambout for a whole day,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm keen to come back because something
Speaker 2: surely happens to your brain. Like imagine if you got
Speaker 2: revived at your completely different personality.
Speaker 3: How would you know them? Yeah, but you bring me back.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you think. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: You come back speaking Dutch, all the dormant Dutch, the
Speaker 2: drilling brain.
Speaker 3: I'm down for that. All right, Well, that's fascinating. Let
Speaker 3: me know if there's an update for that. I feel
Speaker 3: like all of these scientific explorations are talking points for
Speaker 3: news articles and they don't come to life, Like where
Speaker 3: the havocrs? But where are they? Because we've been talking
Speaker 3: about those since the eighties and yet the cars are
Speaker 3: still on the road. I need to see the other
Speaker 3: cars at minimum.
Speaker 2: But as I say, don't reinvent the wheel.
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