WEBVTT - Rodger Corser - THE TRAITORS - Actor / Presenter 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.680 TV Reload, the podcast last week they light Welcome back 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.720 guys to TV Reload. As you may know, my name 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.320 is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to get 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.800 all the inside goss on the popular TV shows you 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.000 may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, our TV 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.640 sets are a major part of our home entertainment, and 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.320 yet very little is known about how our favorite shows 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.279 get made. So each episode, I've been finding guests the 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.239 want to dive just that little bit deeper into the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.600 shows they're currently making, so that you can hear all 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.520 their exclusive stories and gain access to the biggest names 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.320 in Australian television. I want to thank you for downloading 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.040 or subscribing to this podcast however you found it. I 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.360 love hearing your feedback, so make sure you leave a 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.440 review or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. On 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.839 today's podcast, I have actor presenter Roger Corser here to 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.479 talk about his hosting duties of Network ten's second series 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.520 of The Traders. Roger Corser is an Australian actor best 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:56.080 known for his portrayals of characters in Underbelly, Doctor, Doctor Five, Bedrooms, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:00.000 amongst other scripted dramas series. We have obviously seen him 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.880 some very iconic roles here in Australia, but if I'm honest, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.720 I was a little shocked last year to see him 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.240 as the host of The Traders, But as he found 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.880 who he is in this franchise, I've kind of really 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.080 come to love and appreciate him taking some chances within 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.880 this role. The Traders features a group of contestants participating 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.560 in a game similar to the party game Pluto, as 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.440 they all stay in this sort of historic luxury hotel. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.280 During this stay, three contestants are selected by Roger as 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.240 the Traders and must work together to eliminate the other 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.520 contestants in order to win, while the other remaining contestants, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.800 known as the Faithfuls, are tasked to discover and banish 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.039 the Traders by voting them out in order to win 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.360 the grand prize. It's a lot of fun. I will 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.800 find out what conversations Roger had with the producers and 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.800 if he used any influences like Rocky, horror pictures, show 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.600 or Clue the film to build a heightened role of 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.160 his personality. Roger will also talk about what makes a 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.840 good Trader what he would do if the game was 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.240 flipped and he was actually one of the Traders or 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.720 the Faithfuls will impact the latest series and find out 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.120 how adding familiar faces from other reality shows and actors 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.320 has changed the game in some ways for a lot 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.280 of the players. Plus, we will get plenty of exclusives 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.200 from behind the scenes of The Traders, which starts this 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.880 week on Network ten at seven thirty on Sunday nine. Plus, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.880 you'll be able to catch up on ten Plus if 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.720 you miss the launch episode. Anyway, guys, let's bring Roger 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.760 into the podcast and I really hope you enjoy it's 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.760 very insightful look into the Traders for TV reload. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.720 Hi Roger, and good to be with you. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.799 Very excited, welcome back to The Traders. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.400 Yes, season two. It's always nice. When you were a 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.600 one hit one night, the second season's always good. 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.320 It's a sign that things are going okay. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.280 Yes, I mean you can always do better, you know. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.000 Then that's what we're hoping for this year. Look, we've 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.040 had a bit of a bumping interest, especially from the 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.520 overseas contingent. You know, the Brits. The Brits. Brits are 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:51.040 loving us. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.160 They are absolutely loving the format. But you know, I've 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.680 seen episode one, which starts on Sunday night, and I 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.920 have to tell you it really does feel like you 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.399 guys have leveled up. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.240 Yeah, their challenges are bigger, I think also being a 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.480 new format last year, I mean everyone didn't know really 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.560 what to expect. I mean, players and production was our 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.600 first time around doing it, and you know, and you 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.400 can sort of change things in the second season. You 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.560 can review it and go which bits can we tighten 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.120 up and which bits do we amplify and so forth. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.040 So yeah, and also this year around we added some 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.720 dare I say, some career you know, reality contestants. It's 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.440 been spent in the last ten years getting around several 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.280 shows and so forth and making a career out of it. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.840 And look, they know how to bring the gameplay, the drama, 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.000 and they know, you know, they might be painted as 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.680 a certain role, a villain or so forth, but they 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.800 don't care. They kind of know that's what they're there for. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.840 And they do make good television. I've got to say, well. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.360 I have to. We're going to get into Luke and 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.640 Ash in a minute, because I feel like they're the 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.960 king and Queen of villainry and leaning into villainry and 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.240 making it extraordinarily likable. So we'll get there in a second. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:57.880 But you know, last year it took me a little 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.880 while to get used to you being a host of 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.760 this show. And the reason why was because I was like, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.080 I've actually i've met you before. I've been in your 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.080 audience as Australia has been for a long time as 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.480 Roger Corser, and it's quite different to who you are 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.280 as Roger Corser on this show. Was there many conversations 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.040 about what sort of parts of your personality you wanted 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:20.080 to bring to this role. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.960 Finally my schizophrenic self could come bipolar and everything, all 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:30.159 the just different facets of my life. No, look, I've 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.400 been asked before to host. You know, I feeled in 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.400 a little bit on some Morning Telly, which was definitely 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.920 kind of me. I'm not a cue anyway, because it's 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.880 a kind of a genre. The thing that is really 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.960 kind of who done it? And mixed a little bit 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.000 of eyes white shut with those masks and knives out 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.640 and some very kind of theatrical in a sense that 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.680 I kind of liked the fun Pluto aspect to it. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.640 So we said yes, but look, it wasn't off the 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.160 off the bat, you know that we said we're going 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.360 to kind of do a bit of a kind of 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.040 a quasi kind of character. It just sort of naturally 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.560 went that way because we just I was sitting down 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.279 with with Matt Lovecas who's the writer of this show, 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.760 does a fantastic job, and we hit it off just 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.919 with kind of the references we could use in some 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.359 of the speeches, and then just to make it work, 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.160 we're like, want, you know, funny little puns and gags, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.920 what if it's my hotel and what it's been handed 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.680 down in the family, And it just lent us to 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.279 be able to say a whole lot more sort of 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.560 ridiculous stuff. So we went with it, and we were 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.320 waiting for the producers to pull us up and go, guys, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.520 that's just you know, running off the rails here, but 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.600 they never did, so we just so, look, it's probably 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.960 the worst plot of character I've ever done, because it 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.040 starts off with some place and it ends up somewhere else. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.960 So over the course of the first series it's a 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.680 little up and down. I think, you know, I may 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.279 lose the accent a little bit here and there, so 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:54.800 we didn't know what we were really doing, but we're 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.640 just having fun doing it, so we kept doing it. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.520 Well, you know what I kept thinking of. I kept 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.160 thinking of the movie Clue with Tim Curry, and I 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.560 was thinking, I wonder if Roger said yes to this 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.400 and then went Because we're about the same age, so 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.960 we probably watched that growing up. I wonder if you 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.440 went back and watched Tim Curry's role and sort of 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.760 lean into some of that butlery it's not a real word. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.359 But yeah, yeah, well it's definitely that element with Tim Curry. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.479 I mean, I probably not Clue, which I should have 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.640 a lot more. We did do the cludo. We kind 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.479 of reference, if you know, Colonel must in the drawing 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.719 room with a candlestick, that that kind of you know, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.839 sort of fadulous lends itself to a kind of a 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.840 camp kind of fun thing. Even more, one of his 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.159 other roles, like a frankenfurd I said, it's it's a 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.280 lot less obviously, but that kind of mischievous host of 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.000 the manner, you know what I mean, And you know, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.280 welcoming the guests into their place and then doing horrible 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.359 things things to them and having a great time. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.600 Doing it with size white shot, Horrible Things more, Yeah, yeah, 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.240 hung in cheek, murder mystery. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.440 More, you know, a little bit rocky horror, you know 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.480 what I mean, without without the pants down of stuff 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.880 that show. Yeah, lening it, leaning into that and just 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.080 having a fun old time and just you know. And 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.400 then we just found this sort of synergy with some 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.320 of the challenges and we just sort of because I 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.840 have to want to want to try and be entertaining 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.960 instead of just being kind of droll because you have 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.000 to explain the rules. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.080 I mean, then we're going to just sort of dress 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.320 it up and a little bit of fun. So, for instance, 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.400 last year, there's a there's a scene on a tarmac 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.680 with the planes, and that was literally we made that 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.040 up five minutes beforehand because this safety officer had this 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.120 electric motorbike and the intro was just going to be 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.760 standing the tarmac. But because top kind of just come out, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.840 we have these sort of planes sitting on the tarmac 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:38.800 and I'm like, oh, well, that's in the trailer is 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.800 him roaring up the tarmac in a leather jacket on 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.040 a bike trying to look cool. And I said, I 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.760 can pretend to look cool and fail dismally. So we 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.920 got this stunties sort of electric bike. We had a 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.520 kind of bomb and jack. What we did that. I 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.160 got someone to run out at the service station and 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.080 get some bad rip off ray band sunglasses and whacked 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.920 them on and we just sort of wet with this 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:00.720 kind of theme and we were allowed to do that 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.400 all the way through. We're just sort of like, oh, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.360 this matches the challenge, so let's just ham it up. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.800 And it kind of. I mean some reality TV can 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.560 be a little bit earnest and serious. It's all dramatic, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.120 dramatic all the time, and I just think it's a game. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.000 We're playing a big, wonderful game. You know, it should 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.040 be fun and so the drama will come absolutely and 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.400 you see that when it gets intense as well, and 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.280 people can get a bit shirty with each other, but 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.200 you also want to have those lighter moments. And if 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.680 that's because they they're laughing at me a little bit, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.200 I don't mind it. It's fun. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.760 I love that you have that ability to, you know, 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.000 be the butt of the joke as well. I think 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.840 that that shows part of your true character. That's the 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.800 real Roger Corsa that can take themselves a little less seriously. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.280 Yeah, I mean it's whatever's good for the you know, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.480 you got to entertain them. Hopefully we're doing that. And look, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.440 I think there can be a lot of nerves that 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.400 people there, that these cameras in their face, and that 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.880 they ease into it pretty quickly, but always giving trying 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.520 to give them the unexpected and instead of coming out 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.400 always being the authority in knowing it all you look 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.680 a bit ridiculou some of the things I'm wearing and 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:03.120 saying and doing it. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:04.200 Glad you're aware. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.760 So it starts off. It starts the challenge or the 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.000 management you know. And mind you, I don't mind having 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.520 a go with them as well. So I mean I 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.200 sort of I give as good as I get, you know, well, 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.360 point out if people are failing or you know, being 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.120 a bit ridiculous or or whatever. And you know, we 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.600 try and make moments in the management room at least 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.360 have a few light moments, because it does get sometimes 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.520 pretty dark pretty quickly. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.320 Did you watch some of the other hosts now of 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.640 the show, because I mean Alan Cumming has taken it 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.040 on in you know, one of the other successful versions 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.560 of this franchise around the world and that sort of 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.839 after you'd already attempted this role, do you know what 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.240 I mean? Like I wondered whether or not you were like, oh, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.320 Alan's now doing that. I'm going to borrow some of 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.680 this because all I will say about season two, which 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.880 people haven't seen yet, is that you are nailing this 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.719 more succinctly, like I think you fully have worked out 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.760 how to do it. And then I wondered whether you 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:56.800 borrowed some of the elements. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.640 We watch some pieces, not specifically for their delivery style. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.440 I think some of the you know, you just the format. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.560 I mean, the producers definitely did for what do they 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.120 do for challenges? What do they do for that? And 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.240 also we have rights holders that you know, because it 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.120 reginally a Dutch format, and you know, they don't want 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.920 all the versions to be radically different from each other 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.480 because they've got a bitlet of brand. And so when 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.680 people watch the show and you know, this is what 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.800 happens now, people watch The Survivor or The Traders or 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.560 you know, Big Brother or something, and they'll watch multiple 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.240 versions from from different places, and they need to know that, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.080 you know, it's still what they expect. And then obviously 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.040 there's it's great to see the differences. So yeah, so 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.000 we would watch and see how they did some challenges 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.679 and so forth. But yeah, look it's it's a lot 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.240 easier when you're a grand the castle. They really lent 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.839 into the castle kind of you know, met medieval gould 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.959 of you know, witch is in dungeons and that kind 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:51.800 of that kind of gear. And he played at Bilman. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.520 He's a brand actor as well, you know, but he 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:58.120 had some pretty fantastic tart from memory. Yes, so but 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.600 I sort of played more I suppose the villain or 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.640 the Bond or sort of version the manner. Everyone's got 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.200 their own kind of way of doing it. And I 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.400 mean I originally watched the Dutch version that we've got 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.440 a subtitle, and I watched all that first season and 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.319 to understand the hold the gameplay. But there's there's versions everywhere. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.000 There's the Key. We has got a version I think 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:17.120 coming out now as well. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.200 Everyone's got their own version. But I like that we 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.240 have an Australian take on it as well. I also 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.720 think it's interesting that we did like a full civilian 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.240 series to start it, and then when we saw what 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.520 they did with it in the UK, with blending recognizable 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.480 faces with everyday people. We we really haven't seen that 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.559 that much, you know, and it's interesting to watch civilians, 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.880 everyday people competing on a show against people that they're 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.760 already familiar with, you know. I think that adds something 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:42.760 quite juicy to it. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.719 There is another level. I mean, yeah, we're used to 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.440 some you know, the celebrity master chaff, you know, where 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.080 you bring everyone's you know, or celebrity get you out 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.200 of here. But the mix it is different because it 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.160 does sort of almost threw some players off the game. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.600 If you've seen the first episode, you know, the Annabel 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.720 was quite taken it back and saying we'll rock up 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.880 to the the train station with her, and you know, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.000 sort of star struck a little bit. So they're like, oh, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.000 I'm going to be playing this sort of game of 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.560 reception and having to form allegiances and friendships and clicks 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.679 with people with people have done it, and I've seen 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.959 how they've done it before and perhaps you know, stab 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.719 people in the back and do all those sort of 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.280 wonderful things that show promotes. I think they sort of went, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.480 oh wow, you know, it's I would say uneven playing field. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.160 But they've got some pros and they are the professional 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.960 reality too condestines in there with first timers as well. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.640 But I've got to say the reason that we're getting 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.840 success in the UK with our version and some people 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.080 are saying that the gameplay is superior to that to 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.199 the British version, I think is you know, end of 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.840 mold shy. I know how to cast, you know, they've 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.080 been doing this for many years. They've got a big 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.200 track record with this genre. They know how to bring 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.640 the right people together, some that are going to get on, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.400 some that are not a wide demographic demographic of people 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.640 that might not necessarily ever be in the same room together, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.240 and sort of throw them all in and sort of 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.480 see what happens. It's a wonderful sort of social. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.680 Experiment, that's what it is. I mean, reality TV works 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.040 best when it is that social experiment that fly on 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.160 the wall. You know, how are people going to behave? 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.920 And this shows format leans into allowing people to be 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.600 the worst version of themselves sometimes, which I think is 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.239 the psychology of that is also extraordinarily fascinating. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.760 Yeah, the game aspect allows you to mean, you know, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.800 it's not myself playing a character, but there's people and 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.720 they're playing a character. People are hiding what they do 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.960 for a living because they think they perceive that there'll 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.800 be a disadvantage to them if they do have instance 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.560 in law enforcement or they're a lawyer. So some people 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.760 are straight up with it, but other people think, oh, 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.480 you're going to think that I'm going to be too 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.240 good at this game. Probably never in questions with some pable, but. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.680 You can be too good at this game and that 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.160 ruins your game, do you know what I mean? 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.440 Like, oh, I mean did last year Alex who won it? 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.319 I mean, I think a lot of people didn't know 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.160 who she was until about episode seven because she was 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.920 a classic flying under the radar. And really it's a 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.760 brilliant strategy because you don't ruffle the feathers. You let 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.000 you know, the fantastic sort of characters burn brightly and 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.800 then burn out and get shot like that. In our game, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.520 it's sort of people self titledselves as a traitor hunter, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:15.840 you know, if we've had a bit of success. But 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.400 if you do that too well, you're going to be murdered. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.440 The last thing that I would say, I would not 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.480 be declaring anything, you know, I'd be leaning into my 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.800 you know the stupidity of it, you know what I mean, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:26.400 Like I've. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.760 Just done Lark or someone else's. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.040 I don't even know how I did that, you. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.680 Know, yeah, yeah, exactly because people you know, this is 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.080 the thing. Look, the second season compared to the first, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.240 people have seen that, So maybe there's a little bit 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.360 more strategy. Even with our first time is on Telly. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.720 You know, they've seen the formats and I mean, I 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.880 think Annabel And in the first episode says that no 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.040 one is more more versed on this game than May. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.880 I've seen every English speaking version of it. I've listened 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.040 to every podcast that mentions it, and so you know, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.680 she had a game plan down and she's a fabulous character. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.640 St that really isn't that amazing. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.920 We get to see some players like Giton, who's a 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.360 very well known actor as you know, and we get 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.520 to see some of these heroes of reality TV. But 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.280 one thing I want people listening to this podcast to 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.400 know is that we very quickly connect with everyone that's 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.960 in there. It's not as though you're watching it and 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.000 you are going to stick to watching those people you 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.960 already know. I actually think that these people are ready 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.400 to play and are very interesting in their own right. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.360 And they have to audition for the show, and you 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.160 know they're going to bring their best selves and it's 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:32.880 just like an actor winning a role, you know. I mean, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.320 it's just their first one. They're they're the stars of 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.520 the future. It's just this is the this is their 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.920 first gig. And some people are just you know, they 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.000 print really really well, you know, they they make they 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.560 sort of crack me up. Sometimes there's things that they 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.880 totally unscripted come out of their mouth, and it's just 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.680 it's really fun. I'm going to say there's this second 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.520 season again I said before, but I think it's funnier. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.720 I think there's more moments in there that just that 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.320 are that aren't scripted and when we try the gags 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.760 and with the puns and things in the little speeches, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.160 but there's just some moments that just happened. Because I 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.560 think there is the drama and some people don't get 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.840 on and there is the friction and that type of thing, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.400 but the people also do get on really well and 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.480 they have a great time. Some of the challenges are 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.720 really fun, and sometimes they fail just terribly at them, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.760 but they're frustrated, but they're also having an incredible type. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.200 There's one moment on the lake with a boat and 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.440 it just goes beautifully and horribly wrong and there's a 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.720 sinking ship. I don't know all how we' supposed to 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.160 do this challenge there. We just went with it and 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.520 it just became something else and it was fun. But 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.960 the failing's fun and it's all everyone's having a great time. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.720 And then obviously as we get deep into the season, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.680 then you know the game place has come on and 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.280 where where Look? I can't obviously can't say too much, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.240 but we have an ending this year which has never 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.280 been seen in any version ever. The stakeholders from the 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.440 real version were shocked our particular ending because the ending 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.760 is very different depending on the mix of people you 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.440 get at the end Traders and faithful, and you know, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.919 there's different there's a whole big rule book of how 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.600 it can go at the end. If you're left two 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.600 traders and one faithful, one faithful, all faithful, all traders, 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.680 you know, like how many there are, There's all these 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.159 different sort of things. You're going to go down a 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.240 subsection for how we're going to play this end game out, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.160 and we got to a scenario they're like we haven't 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.280 aught of that, so it's it's kind of a real 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.119 big water cooler moment at the end. It's going to 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:25.920 be It's going to be great. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.240 Reality TV also works best when you don't know who 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.240 the winner is, Like I think the shows that do 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.560 work out more interesting for the viewer is when we 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.399 don't know who's going to win, or we don't know 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.920 how it's going to end, and it feels uncontrolled, And 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:38.399 I think. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.119 Can I say there is no better example of this season? 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.120 We didn't know In fact, we sort of we kind 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:45.840 of had to pause the last and what are we 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.760