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Speaker 1: It's Will and Woody. There's some stuff about Sidney Swaeney

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Speaker 1: during the week with a whole bunch of producers and

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Speaker 1: directors sort of saying that she's not a great actress

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Speaker 1: and effectively that she's just attractive, and she ended up

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Speaker 1: posting a photo of herself in a jumper saying just

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Speaker 1: because they've got great tits, which I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw that. I think it's interesting because I know

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Speaker 1: you did a shoot on the cover of Stella magazine

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Speaker 1: where you're basically just covered in a sheet, but then

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Speaker 1: obviously you go and do a chat within the magazine

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Speaker 1: which is about a whole bunch of other things, and

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Speaker 1: I just think there's a really interesting point there, or

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Speaker 1: like an interesting discussion around women not being taken seriously

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Speaker 1: because of how they look. And as a former winner

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Speaker 1: of Miss univers Australia, it's something that you've probably come

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Speaker 1: into contact within your life.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely absolutely. And you know what was so disappointed

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Speaker 2: about that Sidney Sweeney situation. It was a female producer.

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Speaker 2: It's like what really it was. It's like, why do

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Speaker 2: women need to we cannot do that to each other.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting, like coming into something like miss Universe,

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Speaker 2: and when I speak about topics like racism or sexism

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Speaker 2: or reproductive rights or whatever it is, people will sort

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Speaker 2: of arm and r and go, she we're a bikini,

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Speaker 2: you know, on a stage, why should she talk about sexism?

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Speaker 2: And it's like, what the hell has that got to

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Speaker 2: do with anything? And what a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: know is I've ended up in this industry where very

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Speaker 2: recently my nude was a cover of a national magazine

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Speaker 2: and I bloody love it. I chose it. It was

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Speaker 2: a hot pick. I'm going to blow it up in

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Speaker 2: my house. And you know what else is up in

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Speaker 2: my house? Two of my degrees because I went to UNI.

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Speaker 2: I also was nominated for a scholarship to harv it.

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, those things don't

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Speaker 2: have to be related. Neither of them, you know, affect

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Speaker 2: my ability to make choices with agency. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's the problem. People don't recognize that ultimately it is

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Speaker 2: every person's choice. And we do tend to do this

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Speaker 2: to women where the minute they reclaim their sexuality or

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Speaker 2: sensuality in the way they look, we all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden shame them. But a woman's body is fine if

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Speaker 2: it's being profited off, and that's where and you know

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Speaker 2: it's okay. But when women reclaim it, like the conversations

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Speaker 2: around sex workers or women being confident with their bodies, like,

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Speaker 2: it's very silly to me. And I think the only

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Speaker 2: way to fight it is to just say I reject this.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't accept this, and nothing you say

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Speaker 2: changes who I am, what I've done, my capacity for impact,

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Speaker 2: and you kind of have to be the change you

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Speaker 2: want to see. So well said, but I think you do.

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Speaker 2: You see women like Sidney Sweeney like it's not going

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Speaker 2: to tear her down, and I think you have to

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Speaker 2: be that strong in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Interesting for me that she did react to it, though,

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Speaker 1: and she did post about it. It obviously did hit

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Speaker 1: a nerve with her, like eventually your button does get

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Speaker 1: pushed at some stage and you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: piss off. Part of me that was like, ah, wesh,

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Speaker 1: you didn't post that.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't give it air time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like move on, just like you've got other

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Speaker 1: stuff that you're doing. Everyone knows you successful then, But

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Speaker 1: that must be a really hard line to tread because

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Speaker 1: obviously you want to stand up for yourself occasionally and

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Speaker 1: you do just want to say hey, get and other

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Speaker 1: times you do just want to go, okay, I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to ignore that and ignore that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like all things I imagine with malign groups the

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Speaker 1: world over, it does get to a point where taking

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Speaker 1: the higher road gets exhausting.

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Speaker 2: You know what, It's such a good point because you're right.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't want to say just gif and other

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Speaker 2: times you're like, I can't speak for anyone else, but

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Speaker 2: I know with me, when I first started with Miss Universe,

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Speaker 2: anytime anyone said something, I'd feel the need to screenshot

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Speaker 2: it and turn it into like a teachable moment and

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Speaker 2: be like, well, this is how you respond to bigotry

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Speaker 2: or misogyny or whatever. And then it started to chip

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Speaker 2: away at my mental health. I'm like, my god, I

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Speaker 2: to do the opposite. I think there is value in

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Speaker 2: making an example of something and addressing something when you

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Speaker 2: do have the privilege of a platform, because there are

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Speaker 2: people who look to you, and I know with me,

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Speaker 2: sometimes I do get those comments that are super homophobic

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Speaker 2: to my partner and I or they're commenting on what

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Speaker 2: I choose to put out there. Like someone said, your

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Speaker 2: parents should be so ashamed of you that to me,

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Speaker 2: there is value in showing my mum and dad, who

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Speaker 2: are like absolutely not. Our kids are smart, healthy adults,

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Speaker 2: were happy for them. I think there's value in showing

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Speaker 2: that because there are gonna be other kids who are

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Speaker 2: watching that, and there's hope, like your parents can change.

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Speaker 2: This is how people grow to stand up against these things.

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Speaker 2: So I do that when I've got space, though.

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Speaker 1: Well said, wow, we we've got Maria Fatila in the studio.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that up next. And Woods, I've

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Speaker 1: dug out Maria a list of the things that you

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Speaker 1: wanted to do, and you made this list when you

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Speaker 1: were twenty one years old, so I should be frightfully

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Speaker 1: awkward for you.

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Speaker 2: And that's up next on Willem Woodye hear

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